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Charlies latest:
Gerry Braiden @GerryBraiden
PA: Rangers CEO Charles Green claims he could use sex discrimination laws to sue UEFA if they try to block moves to a cross-border league.
Green: “You’ve a UEFA-sanctioned professional women’s league in Belgium & Holland. I’d go to Strasbourg & challenge the sexual equality.”
Traynors getting to the desperate stage:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/green-rangers-could-use-sex-discrimination-laws-to-sue-uefa.1357906317
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
Actually, Newco were not members of the SFA at any point before August 3rd.
they certainly werent members prior to June 14th and that membership “went on holiday for a while”
question is, when did the registrations of the players transfer to newco from oldco?
when did the SFA register the newco players – it could NOT have been before august 3rd
so, who played brechin?
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:32
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Traynors getting to the desperate stage:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/green-rangers-could-use-sex-discrimination-laws-to-sue-uefa.1357906317
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Is this not more of a basic ploy at keeping Rangers in the headlines?
Or, as we are in the middle of the winter break, newspapers filling column inches.
I would expect more of this nonsense until the resumption of activities in the SPL.
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
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question – what was the reason for this “anomaly”.
why were sevco not members of the SFA from June 14 to aug 3rd ?
question – were sevco members of the SPL or SFL within those 6weeks?
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:32
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Traynors getting to the desperate stage:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/green-rangers-could-use-sex-discrimination-laws-to-sue-uefa.1357906317
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to be fair, i don’t think they need to even go down that route.
All it takes is one club prepared to take UEFA through the European Courts and it’ll bring the house down.
However, that club would have to be prepared to sit out playing football for several years whilst the case went through court.
Think Bosman…..he made average footballers millionaires but it ended his career and he didn’t get any of the financial benefits
I don’t see chuckie being that martyr, but then again, why not? he has the money in the bank, he could simply shut it all down and wait until the case was won and start a newco up again in a new league
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/green-rangers-could-use-sex-discrimination-laws-to-sue-uefa.1357906317
Yes, it’s a great idea to take UEFA to court so that you can join their league’s.
I’d ask FC Sion and the Swiss National federation for tips on this ploy 🙂
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:32
Traynors getting to the desperate stage:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/green-rangers-could-use-sex-discrimination-laws-to-sue-uefa.1357906317
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😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
iamacant says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 22:12
http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/1478-club-statement
RANGERS chairman Malcolm Murray and Chief Executive Charles Green have today given their reaction to the club being granted SFA membership.
Malcolm Murray, Chairman of The Rangers Football Club, said, “The Club has finally been granted SFA membership which means we can now move forward and focus on the future.
“This is a new beginning for Rangers and its supporters. We have a difficult but exciting journey ahead and we want fans to enjoy watching their team play again at Ibrox and on our travels.
This is lifted from the same website that states they have an anomaly. It is dated/published on 27th July 2012 which is obviously a date prior to August 3rd 2012.
Any of the MSM want to ask the question why?
Didnae think so
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Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:36
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
Actually, Newco were not members of the SFA at any point before August 3rd.
they certainly werent members prior to June 14th and that membership “went on holiday for a while”
question is, when did the registrations of the players transfer to newco from oldco?
when did the SFA register the newco players – it could NOT have been before august 3rd
so, who played brechin?
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Why are RFC(IA/IL) saying they became SFA members on 27th July 2012 which was 2 days BEFORE the Brechin game and then change the membership date to 3rd August 2012 in another statement?
I asked this last night as it’s clearly stated on their website.
Do you really expect the MSM to ask Chuckie or the SFA?
Some advice from the official CFC site:
Boiler room scam advice
By: Newsroom Staff on 11 Jan, 2013 11:11
IT has come to our attention that recently a number of smaller shareholders have received unsolicited telephone calls concerning their investments in Celtic plc. Shareholders should be wary of any unsolicited advice.
Following a recent increase in the prevalence of so-called ´boiler room´ scams, the Financial Services Authority (FSA) and the Institute of Chartered Secretaries (ICSA) have produced a leaflet warning investors about unsolicited communications concerning investment matters, which is available in full by clicking HERE
Please note the following recommendations in particular if you receive any unsolicited investment advice:
– Make sure you get the correct name of the person and organisation.
– Check that they are properly authorised by the FSA before getting involved by visiting http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/register
– Report the matter to the FSA either by calling 0845 606 1234 or visiting http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/consumerinformation
– If the calls persist, hang up.
Further information and advice on scams, and how to protect yourself from them, can also be found on the Consumer Information section of the Financial Services Authority website at http://www.fsa.gov.uk/ and at http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/
We continue to encourage Celtic shareholders to be vigilant.
Maybe someone could forward Chuckles strasbourg move to Eufa just great timing for their next meeting?
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organisation/executivecommittee/news/newsid=1911059.html
I do hope Chuckles kept his promise to pay the Austrians, missed this one and now see why he cut the deal.
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/protectingthegame/financialfairplay/news/newsid=1908817.html
WHO PLAYED BRECHIN?
Ally adds his tuppence worth;
Ally McCoist believes Rangers will be denied promotion under plans to restructure the Scottish football league which he says “lack sporting integrity”.
The Ibrox boss believes the “small minded” proposal, which would see the current four-tier format change to three leagues, would unfairly penalise his side and render the current season meaningless.
Under the plans, Rangers would take up a place in the third tier of the league, a step up from their current position in tier four.
Although they would move up if they can clinch the Third Division title this campaign, they would be joined by every other team currently plying their trade in the bottom tier.
McCoist instead believes a way should be found for his team to be advanced out of the proposed new bottom tier.
“I don’t think reconstruction can go through,” he said. “It lacks sporting integrity. I don’t think you can change during a season.
“All we are looking for is continued fair play. If we win the league then we should be promoted, in my opinion.”
Speaking at his traditional Friday news conference, McCoist said he believed a combination of “time, legality and sporting integrity” should hamper plans to push through the planned change for the start of the 2013/14 campaign.
The manager also expressed his unhappiness at Rangers having no vote on the proposals, a circumstance of their admission to the Scottish Football League as associate members in the summer, saying it was a “slap in the coupon” to supporters.
Chief executive Charles Green had spoken earlier in the week of finding a way out of the Scottish league structure if reconstruction plans went ahead.
“Ideally the top league in this country would perfect,” added McCoist. “There has been a lot of information coming out in the last week or so but all we want to do is get back to the top league in this country.
“I know Rangers and Celtic have explored avenues to play in different leagues and I would think they would continue to do that.
“But where I’m sitting at the moment, I’d settle for the top league in Scotland.
“Charles is doing his job in the respect that he’s exploring avenues for other leagues.
“I can totally understand his dislike for the potential new set-up. If it goes ahead, I would imagine the biggest sufferers again, in my opinion, would be the Rangers supporters.”
Premier league players (mostly outnumbering the opposition) running away with the lowest league in the land, is the poorest footballing spectacle about this or any other season by a mile. A reminder to all of what needs changing.
It’s TRFC that faces armaggedon. Let them get on with it, as requested not long ago.
I say no to league reconstruction, a new league cup format would be a better starting point.
It’s outragous that CO&Co are issuing proposals instead of resignations. The game is finished till they are all gone.
Don’t be fooled by the permutation, or any other argument. Change will be requested by and intended for one benefactor.
Senior
14 unregistered “trialists” no doubt.
torrejohnbhoy says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 13:56
McCoist said –
“It lacks sporting integrity.
“All we are looking for is continued fair play.”
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FFS Ally, the rest of Scottish football (and local busineeses) were looking for the same but none of it was forthcoming from Govan during the last decade or so.
And Just like that: (Note the “new”, CG must be “following” the same sites as TSFM
CHIEF EXECUTIVE Charles Green has revealed that European club debts of the oldco Rangers have been paid or settled.
There was no compunction for newco to pay or contribute to any monies owed by the former owners.
There was money owed, for example, to Palermo for Dorin Goian and St Etienne for Carlos Bocanegra.
However, Green has decided that the honourable thing to do was to come to arrangements with all of the clubs who were owed money and he has done that with liquidators BDO.
He said: “What we have done since we came to Rangers was to act properly and not just for the best interests of Rangers but for football as a whole.
“We have a fiduciary duty and a responsibility to our share-holders and we want to run this club honourably and be fully transparent.
“Coming to agreements with all of the European clubs where we paid all of the debts or reached settlements with them is another example of the commitment ‘new’ Rangers have made and not turning our back or walking away from oldco’s responsibilities.
“So we have put down a marker in that regard and what we want to do now is get UEFA and FIFA onside. I have spoken to both organisations informally and in the next few months we will have some formal conversations.”
on reconstruction…..
leave the leagues alone for now
merging the SFL/SPL is a good start – lets make that step 1st and once bedded in look at either
merging the new league org with the SFA
OR
a reconstruction of scottish football (and not just tinkering with the leagues put everything on the table summer football, artificial pitches (for winter and revenue generation as well) SPL TV channel, SPL teams adopting a feeder club or fielding reserve teams in lower league, pyramid system to integrate junior/regional league football, geographic based regional leagues to reduce travelling expenses, gate and/or other income sharing
Mr Green’s quote:
“So we have put down a marker in that regard and what we want to do now is get UEFA and FIFA onside. I have spoken to both organisations informally and in the next few months we will have some formal conversations.”
Do UEFA & FIFA have discussions with individual clubs? Isn’t that what associations & their representatives are for ?.
Will any of the MSM ask?
Wasn’t one of the main points of the 5 way agreement that all of the old football clubs debts must be settled?
I don’t have to pay my mortgage but if it’s in my interests then I will. Doesn’t make me some kind of hero.
The guys a publicity junkie. His only problem is that sooner or later he’ll run out of news to put out and will have to make up stupid stories to keep himself in the public limelight – and this day is not far away.
I agree with Green and McCoist (as a Dundee Utd fan that’s not normally the case) that reconstruction should not be pushed through mid-season. All clubs started this year’s campaign with expectations about what promotions/relegations were available and this should not be changed now.
So I ask myself, why is it necessary to reconstruct immediately? It has been talked about for years with no action so why the need to implement the changes for next season? Surely, whatever new system they agree on, they can decide to implement it at the end of next season?
I suspect the answer lies in secret deals between the governing bodies, Rangers and commercial partners with a view to getting Newco up to the top as soon as possible.
The more they moan the more I like the 12-12-18 (17) scenario.
Typical bullies who were caught out.
Now they want fair play and justice, they were really the victims, it was someone elses fault.
Myself and other have pointed out McCoist, Green et al all have bonuses connected with getting to the top league. Being they could all be gone in a years time you can see why they want to cash in with a jump to the top league. Plus it will be hard to argue for an increase in season ticket prices, which is of course one of the main problems for them in relation to bringing in case to pay off the ‘internal debt’.
Is it really not time just to let this rancid lot go, the sooner the better. I am sure any of the remaning nine would be happy being crowned Div Three champions.
I once again remind people of Ian Archer’s quote
“This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish Football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist.”
At that time the embarrassment was due to the signing policy and the disgrace referred to the hooligan element amongst their fans. However with regards to their recent and current behaviour and attitude to Scottish Football the sentiments still hold strong.
Ally is actually quite correct when he says ….
… “the biggest sufferers again, in my opinion, would be the Rangers supporters.”
But the blame is not the SFA/SPL/SFL Mr McCoist – they have been your Guardian Angels..
The suffering is self inflicted by SDM and to a much lesser extent CW. (The people who paid your wages and made you a wealthy man)
And when you factor in the unique “WATP superior- being mentality” that even now stops Rangers fans and your MSM Fraternity asking basic questions about the management of the club.
And sorry Ally – the suffering for the fans will probably get even worse before it gets better and this league reorganisation plan , plain daft as it is is not the culprit.
“Coming to agreements with all of the European clubs where we paid all of the debts or reached settlements with them is another example of the commitment ‘new’ Rangers have made and not turning our back or walking away from oldco’s responsibilities.
Couple of stoaters there………His use of NEW
AND
Not walking away from “old clubs responsibilities”………………Is he planning on winning Euro millions multiple rollover????
He does talk the most fantastic amount of crud………..but he’s fun with it. 🙂
From FF, looks like bear on bear action on the cards!!
Today, 13:51
cp1872
Loyal and Proud Join Date: 05-11-2011
Location: Behind the Wire
Posts: 1,138
50 Tickets sold for Rangers end at Tannadump
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Like to start off by saying I support the boycott, however out of curiosity I phoned DUFC ticket office (free number) to ask about how many they were planning on selling to us.
Although the girl on the phone could not state the amount she did advise me that “sales have not went well, they have only sold about 50 Rangers end tickets at most today”.
This is the first day of sales according to her. Not a great start to our boycott.
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Today, 13:52
Dunantblue
****ing pathetic if true.
Any Rangers man, woman or child buying tickets for this game is a ****ing disgrace.
Dunantblue
#3 Today, 13:53
weetoonblue
Must say I am not surprised, disappointed but not surprised.
Cuellar
FF Squad Member Join Date: 12-07-2007
Location: Falkirk
Posts: 863
Re: 50 Tickets sold for Rangers end at Tannadump
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hope the tv cameras show their faces every last ****ing one of them
#6 Today, 13:54
chateaubleu
Killing Is My Business… And Business Is Good! Join Date: 02-05-2007
Location: The Train Of Consequences
Posts: 2,718
Re: 50 Tickets sold for Rangers end at Tannadump
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If anyone on here is reading this and is either thinking of going to this, or IS going:
Shame on you ya scab bastard.
#8 Today, 13:54
Bowery Boys
At the risk of sounding all Chick Young I doubt all 50 of them are Rangers fans. No doubt there a more than a few Bears who’ll value their ‘away record’ more than the combined wishes of the club, our management staff and the fans groups though. Very disappointing.
Earl of Leven
Rangers FC – propping up SPL from Division 3 Join Date: 07-08-2006
Every last one is an idiot.
Can we not work together for ONE game?! Just one…using our weapon, our ‘hay maker’?
#10 Today, 13:54
Stewie_Griffin
Id imagine the type of people buying the tickets are the glory hunting type who rather than care about the team want to be able to say “I was there”
Complete and utter let downs to the cause and everything we are fighting for.
scuzzlebutt
They should hang their heads in shame. The club refused tickets yet these guys still buy them.
Mugs, who’ll continue to get ripped off.
TeddybearTam
Let others come after us, we welcome the chase. Join Date: 28-10-2009
Scabs, nothing more, nothing less.
#15 Today, 13:56
imWATP
Absolutely f*cking disgusting if true. These selfish c*nts really need to get their heads out of their arses.
Torque87
Absolutely pathetic. Those 50 should be ashamed of themselves, you are making our boycott looks stupid, thanks very much.
Oh, but wait, you’re uber fans eh? Can’t miss a match?
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:16
Totally agree mate (and with the others later)
I posted something similar yesterday.
We are being told SFA/SPL/SFL will be forged into one body, great news.
In the meantime, we have conflicted people designing and forcing through a system for which they will not be responsible for administrating.
Why the rush?
I have not heard one SPL manager complain about the league this year, attendances are up pretty much across the board and Celtics progression in the CL has ensured ALL SPL clubs will get circa £250,000 this season.
Justice, reform (if required), progress.
Chuckles making friends in Wales also, along with his bestest friends at EUFA. Man’s mental
Scottish giants Rangers have insisted Swansea City and Cardiff City should be thrown out of the English system if the Ibrox club are refused the chance to enter into cross-border competition.
Rangers chief executive Charles Green has said that the South Wales pair should be kicked out if his hopes of seeing the Glasgow outfit are denied, describing the situation where Welsh clubs are allowed to play in the Football League and Premier League and Scottish clubs are not as “rubbish”.
Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2013/01/11/91466-32589490/#ixzz2Hg94zVg7
does anybody have the answer to my questions. . .
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“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
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question – what was the reason for this “anomaly”.
why were sevco not members of the SFA from June 14 to aug 3rd ?
question – were sevco members of the SPL or SFL within those 6weeks?
RANGERS chief executive Charles Green claims he could use sex discrimination laws to sue UEFA if they try to block the club’s moves to join a cross-border league.
• The Rangers chief believes that the current UEFA-sanctioned women’s cross-border league in Belgium and Holland would set a precedent
• Green claimed he would go to Strasbourg and challenge the sexual equality if UEFA blocked Rangers from joining a cross-border league
So The Rangers are looking to join the Benelux Ladies League? Well I am looking forward to seeing the short sponsorship….
Sorry Ally but I cannot see what difference it makes at what point in a season an announcement about reconstruction is made. Clubs would be in the same position at the end of this season, if the plans were brought to light at the start of this season.
The only interest that Green and Ally have is in delaying the decision for one season. They have two reasons for that, firstly their bonus for getting promotion an secondly, they get to SPL1 a year earlier.
In regard to the comments that they should be placed in SPL2 as a result of winning promotion to SFL div2, you cannot get promotion to a division that would no longer exist if this reconstruction went ahead.
Ooops – that was meant to be shirt sponsorsip not short…. either way it’d be dubious…
paulsatim says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:40
From FF, looks like bear on bear action on the cards!!
Today, 13:51
cp1872
Loyal and Proud Join Date: 05-11-2011
Location: Behind the Wire
Posts: 1,138
50 Tickets sold for Rangers end at Tannadump
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Like to start off by saying I support the boycott, however out of curiosity I phoned DUFC ticket office (free number) to ask about how many they were planning on selling to us.
The DUFC ticket office is not a free number, so I’d doubt much of the rest is true.
However, a recording unit from Sky was at Tannadice today to make a report regarding ticket sales, so the FF poster who states “hope the tv cameras show their faces every last ****ing one of them” might just get his wish.
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:53
I like the comment to the Welsh article.
“Invite them in and they can join at the lowest point of the pyramid ;-)”
Presumably the next move by Mr Charles will be to a knock on Longmuir’s door asking to cancel tomorrow’s game against Berwick Rangers pointing out the the SFL the error of their ways allowing an English club to play in the Scottish League.
What chances that he would then be the full three points and ask for another two to be given as the draw early in the session was clearly an injustice. No doubt that will be followed up by claiming the 1-0 defeat in the 1967 Scottish Cup is invalid and Rangers should in fact actually won the cup that year, thus proving they were better than the Lisbon Lions and were therefore truly the first British club to win the European Cup. He may even pull out a pound from his well feathered pocket to try and pay Longmuir for the title.
When are SFL and SFA going to feel the same cringe that the rest of have had for some time by having this oaf representing a part of Scottish Football on the wider stage.
At least Mad Vlad’s rants were contained ‘in-house’ in the DR, the Scottish Sun and Estonia!!
Since Sevco had their share issue, Celtic’s share price has rocketed, from 35p to 66p. Charles Green’s claiming there is in cider trading.
I’ll get my coat…..
wottpi;
Lithuania for madVlad but otherwise a good point very well made.
Which leagues have invited TRFC to join them that Mr Green seems so frustrated at being stuck in Scotland for all of five months? They were happy to be where they are not very long ago.
Did his informal talks with UEFA involve him shouting through the UEFA staff canteen window? From Glasgow?
It’s ridiculous that a company is given a made up membership of a football association, starts playing games, formally becomes a football club, is given associate membership, accuses the authorities of theft, supports a boycott of a full member club, say they want to leave for another country within five months and this is not worthy of comment from said authority. Utter, utter nonsense from the SFA. Don’t criticise the refs, though – the SFA seem to wake up then.
If TRFC didn’t give the impression it was more an elaborate scam than a football club, I’d take a dim view of them, too.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:36
We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.
so, who played brechin?
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These are the facts
The SFA don`t have a rule explaining what “conditional” membership means
So the term “conditional” membership of the SFL has no meaning under SFA rules
Nevertheless
On 27July Sevco Scotland Ltd were given “conditional” SFA membership
This enabled Sevco Scotland Ltd to play Brechin FC on 29 July with the consent of the SFL and SFA
So the Brechin FC -Sevco Scotland Ltd match was a Ramsden Cup game between a “conditional” member and a full member of the SFA
Sevco Scotland Ltd turned up at Brechin on 29 July calling themselves “Rangers” when they were not “Rangers”. The real club called “Rangers” held the “Rangers” SPL share from 1872 until it was transferred to Dundee on 3 Aug
Brechin FC and the MSM went along with this pretence
The result of this match was Brechin 1-2 Sevco Scotland
It was reported by the MSM and logged on the SFL website as
Brechin 1-2 Rangers
On 31 July “The Rangers Football Club PLC” shareholders ( 85% owned by Craig Whyte) voted to change the name of the company to “Rangers 2012 plc”. This freed up the name “The Rangers Football Club” for any other company who wanted to claim it
On the same day Sevco Scotland Ltd changed their name to “The Rangers Football Club Ltd ”
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The inferences we can draw from these facts are
There was at least two conditions imposed when Sevco Scotland Ltd were awarded conditional membership on 27 July
Condition imposed on Sevco Scotland with effect from 27 July
“Sevco Scotland Ltd must describe themselves as “The Rangers Football Club” in any media or written communication relating to the 29 July match against Brechin FC”
And
Condition imposed on Brechin FC ahead of their game against Sevco Scotland on 29 July
“Brechin must describe Sevco Scotland as “The Rangers Football Club” on the match tickets and all other media or written communication”
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It’s the only way this makes sense
Proof?
Nowhere in the SFA, SFL or the MSM is the team which played Brechin FC on 29 July described as Sevco Scotland
It beggars belief that this issue was not raised by Brechin with the SFL or mentioned by at least one member of the MSM
They are now calling it the Blue Tulip Bubble – any takers?
TSFM
Is it possible to change my blog name to : WHO PLAYED BRECHIN?
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:07
And Just like that: (Note the “new”, CG must be “following” the same sites as TSFM
CHIEF EXECUTIVE Charles Green …
“Coming to agreements with all of the European clubs where we paid all of the debts or reached settlements with them is another example of the commitment ‘new’ Rangers have made and not turning our back or walking away from oldco’s responsibilities…”
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That is indeed an interesting quote.
Whilst most (?) would agree that Charlie is a bit of a ‘real life bampot’, he is not stupid.
IMO, the use of the phrase ‘new Rangers’ is not just a slip of the tongue.
Is this an indication of the PR strategy wrt the LNS inquiry ? [Assuming it is not delayed.]
For example…
Even though TRFC is the ‘new’ Rangers, Charlie has acted magnanimously by paying off the ‘old’ Rangers financial debts, [but just those debts that ‘really matter’, i.e. the football debts.]
However, despite being an honourable chap, Charlie can’t do anything about incorrectly registered players under the ‘old’ Rangers – so give him/TRFC a break, as they have been ‘punished enough’, blah blah blah…
Will be interesting to see if ‘new Rangers’ is quoted liberally now by McCoist/Traynor/MSM puppets ?
But do we know that CG has actually paid all the football debts he agreed to?
goosygoosy says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 15:42
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 12:36
We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.
so, who played brechin?
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…
The inferences we can draw from these facts are
…
“Sevco Scotland Ltd must describe themselves as “The Rangers Football Club” in any media or written communication relating to the 29 July match against Brechin FC”
And
…
“Brechin must describe Sevco Scotland as “The Rangers Football Club” on the match tickets and all other media or written communication”…
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At the time of the Brechin game I raised the following point, but didn’t see any response.
What team name was put on the team sheet for the Brechin game ?
IIRC, if you get a player’s name wrong for example on a team sheet, or mixed up with a player who is replaced by another, this can cause problems with the authorities, as it breaks one of their rules.
The team sheet has to be 100% accurate, I believe.
So was it ‘Rangers FC’ on the team sheet, in error ?
ianagain says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:07
There is no way Chuckie would have paid this outstanding debt to European teams unless there was a good reason. I suspect the Dorian and Boca are on there way back for next season or that was the plan and Chuckie did want all this thrown back at him if they were playing for Sevco and debts still outstanding. If he paid it he never paid it out the goodness of his heart there would always with him be an alterier motive.
With his cross border sex discrimination moans the next things is we shall have women wanting to play with the guys as it’s discrimination. The answer might be for Sevco to start a mix team or even a gay team 🙂
That should have been Chuckie didn’t want.
It’s a bit like the Wallace case with the debt issue, how can you morally play players you never paid for and I suppose if he pays for them then he has the opportunity to sell them
The latest monthly national newspaer circulation figures for December came out today. It’s no surprise that the downward trend continues:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/uk-national-newspaper-sales-guardian-ft-and-daily-telegraph-end-2012-high-note
Daily Record 250,096 down 8.89% YoY
Scotsman 32,463 down 16% YoY
Sunday Mail 285,028 down 21.96% YoY
Sunday Post 245,727 down 18.59% YOY
Scotland on Sunday 37,252 down 18.4% YOY
The last figures for the Herald (Jun-12) , before they deemed themselves a regional paper, were:
Herald 44,445 down 8.29% YoY
Sunday Herald 26,187 down 10.42%
I can’t see The Scotsman or The Herald lasting much longer in their present form.
I had a look at the Record’s performance over the last 12 months.
Dec-11….. 275k
Jan-12….. 276k
Feb-12….. 292k – good increase – I wonder what newsworthy story happened in Feb 🙂
Mar-12….. 294k
Apr-12….. 282k – drifting down again
May-12….. 281k
Jun-12….. 279k
Jul-12….. 276k
Aug-12….. 276k – holding up (Olympics factor, or a new club joining the SFL)
Sep-12….. 273k – drifting down again
Oct-12….. 269k
Nov-12….. 254k – ouch!
Dec-12….. 250k
Could I buy some tickets and donate them to CO, SR, ND, Chico, JT, Keevo, Keef, Leggo, Smudger …………………………..etc if it’s a disgrace they want.
Have Rapid Vienna been paid outstanding monies for Jelavic?
brggsbhoy@16.14: ‘…or even a gay team.’ I should have thought this blog was better than that. It may come as a shock, but there will be many gay footballers playing in the Scottish leagues, but we’ll never know because of attitudes like the above. (Not that we should need to know anyway.)
Just heard ,additional goods on sale at all SPL grounds from next week for 4 weeks only ,along with the usual scarves ,tammies ,flags etc will be 1st Anniversary Administration souvenier cards ,personaly I would rather have a macaroon bar..
Notthehuddle malcontent
I do not know who Brechin played but who ever it was their fans sang the BB. No anomoly concerning the song. In fact Brechin may have played 2 teams due to registration anomolies as I am sure the BB was sung twice.
It had been my intention all day to get home put the feet up and write a little piece about some of the goings on and statements made this week by some of the senior people within the game in Scotland. But I can’t. I really can’t. The reason for this is that, having read what Mr Green has had to say today, I am left utterly lost for words. I simply would not know where to start. Honestly I am just dumbfounded by his never ending abbility to fire off verbal tirades in all directions without letting inconvenient truths or a modicum of common sense get in the way and with scant regard for the fact that whilst he continues with his lunatic ramblings he makes more enemies for himself and his infant club.
Compare these outbursts with the proffesionalism and dignity of two other football club Chairmen who had reason to face the press this week, Mr Lawrie (Celtic) and Mr Thomson (Dundee Utd.) I know who I would rather have guiding my Club at this difficult time.
thornlyboy says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 16:48
My comment does not represent the blog as a whole and it was not meant as a homophobic one, it was more a bit of humour to take a dig at the asburdity of the situation. You may not be aware but there are gay teams in Leagues in the London area, check out Stonewall FC. That all I’m going to say on the matter and if my attempt at humour was not to your liking I apologise.
CHIEF EXECUTIVE Charles Green …
“…another example of the commitment ‘new’ Rangers have made and not turning our back or walking away from oldco’s responsibilities…”
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This stance of neither turning their back nor walking away from Oldco’s responsibilities is to be applauded, and I imagine HMRC will be very pleased to receive their cheque for last season’s PAYE and NIC in short order.
one of the football phone ins said recently that they cannot contact green to ask questions, nonsense, he is on every TV station every day with as much clarity as Bungo from rainbow ( sorry bungo )
regarding football debts, he either must have been told to pay them or mistakenly thinks it may speed up European football ?
From August last year.
Rapid still await clarification on the money they are seeking after selling Jelavic to Rangers two years ago for £4m. The Austrians have raised the issue with FIFA following reports that Rangers were settling the football debts of the oldco but noted that Green has not clarified the status of foreign and English creditors. Rangers have 15 days to pay Rapid or face potential punishment from FIFA.
“We have had no direct contact from anyone at Ibrox,” said Peter Klinglmuller, Rapid’s director of communications, yesterday. “We have to be treated fairly over this. The last instalment of Jelavic’s transfer fee has to be paid by the end of August. There is still time for the money to be paid. The Rapid board left the matter in the hands of British lawyers.
“The new owner at Rangers has said that it is important that every football debt is paid and we want that to be done for us now, especially as Jelavic is now with Everton.”
Rapid are owed £1,011,733 for selling the Croat and they understand that Green is pursuing the remainder of the £5.5m they received from the sale to Everton, even though the deal was negotiated by the oldco. It is that which has compelled the Austrians to continue request the money they are owed.
New Rangers cannot be owed any money from oldco players that surely must go to creditors. You cannot spend 5 million for 20 million worth of players and 30 million worth of stadia, training ground, name, merchandise, history, in fact everything except the main debt owed.
tb…
Bungle.
[We strive for accuracy on TSFM 😉 ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungle_(Rainbow)
Forever a pedant…
From The Rangers official website.
CHARLES GREEN has revealed that Rangers have been invited by Europe’s top clubs to their annual conference – and yet remain uninvited to be involved in any discussions in Scotland.
Green and head of football administration Andrew Dickson are heading to Qatar for the European Club Association conference on February 5 and 6 where they will rub shoulders with elite in the game, including Umberto Gandini from AC Milan and Bayern Munich’s Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, pictured above.
Despite Rangers’ current SFL 3 status, the ECA granted associate membership of their group in a formal letter last December because of Rangers’ reputation in Europe and the fact that they are founder members.
Former director John McClelland was a member of the ECA board for four years.
Charles Green told RangersTV: “I went out last year to the conference to introduce myself and let them know where Rangers were going and trying to get to.
“We received a letter in December from the European Clubs Association and in that letter they stated that they agreed that Rangers today is the same Rangers and that was very refreshing to read.
“So to be endorsed by your peers – never mind what lawyers and the authorities might say – was a good thing.
“We are one of the founder members of the ECA and they decided that we should assume an associate membership and we are very grateful to them for that.
“They have been supportive and we have many friends and to be invited out to Qatar to participate in discussions is remarkable.
“The importance of this is the comparison to what happens in Scotland where we are not invited to any meetings, we can’t vote and we are not allowed to do anything.
“However, the European clubs are saying come out to Qatar, we’ll pay your air fares, we’ll pay your hotel bills and we want you to be part of it all because we recognise Rangers are one of the biggest clubs in Europe.
“We understand you can’t play in Europe at the moment but we still want you to be part of it all.
“In Scotland, we are nobody and we are nothing. Tell me where the madness lies.”
The ECA, chaired by Rummenigge, replaced the G14 group which was set up by Europe’s top clubs to discuss common interests and is recognised by UEFA and FIFA.
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So there we have it. “Rangers today is the same Rangers…………..never mind what lawyers and the authorities might say”.
Surely this man has completely lost his grip on reality.
…..and where oh where is the world’s greatest administrator when you need him ? This proposed restructure is the biggest talking point in Scottish football right now and so far everyone and his auntie has had a say on this except for President Scunner. Is he still ‘heavily conflicted’ in this set-up or is it just that he is still unable to do his job properly ?
he was bungle but then he went insolvent and reinvented himself as Bungo. But you are correct, at some point the bear changed back to his original name and this has been clarified by ECA and zippy.
Humble Pie @ 18:07
So he has received a circular letter inviting Sevco, as an associate member, to the ECA talking shop
Wow, big deal, and this is being trumpeted as some fantastic achievement,vindication of Sevco’s overinflated opinion of itself, and it’s place in the game
Enjoy it Charlie, because it is as close as you will get to meeting these teams in Europe competition for a few years yet
If you remember last year he said he had attended a meeting in Switzerland, where clubs couldn’t believe how badly Sevco had been treated
To be honest, this isn’t hard to believe since he probably gave them a very one sided sob story, aided by Mr McLelland no doubt
The man has no shame, and is totally bereft of any humility
bawsman says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:43
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 14:16
Totally agree mate (and with the others later)
I have not heard one SPL manager complain about the league this year, attendances are up pretty much across the board and Celtics progression in the CL has ensured ALL SPL clubs will get circa £250,000 this season.
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Not according to Charlie today on talksport with Gray and Keys….
According to the man who appears to get an unusual amount of airtime from Gray and Keys…SPL attendances have plumeted and the only reason Celtic sold as many season tickets was on the basis Rangers would still be playing in the SPL this season…if they had known Rangers would have have been kicked out…Green then added…’if you want to use the correct grammatical term refused entry…then Celtic fans would not have bought their season tickets!
The man is an arsehole…and is allowed to provide utter garbage unchallenged by these 2 muppets!
campsiejoe says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 18:22
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According to Charlie if the ECA believe the old club are the new club…then thats good enough for him…
Really Charlie?
Why I wonder does he think he still has to try and convince people the new club are still the old one? The only reason you would do that Charlie….is because the legal facts state they are not!
It was mentioned on the radio that there will be a clause in the new league structure stating that it can be reviewed in a couple of years time ( when newrangers make it to the top league for the first time in their history). newRangers will still not have a vote as their associate membership lasts 5 years.
paulmac2 @ 18:54
Like it or lump it, the fact is this man is being given maximum exposure, via all of the media outlets, to spout his nonsense
There is absolutely no counter argument to his fantasies, as these outlets will not give any opposing views a platform
Hence the majority of the population, whose views are formed by these outlets, accept Green’s ravings as fact
If we don’t have access to a platform to put forward the alternatives, what Green and all of his sycophantic followers say, will be taken as being the truth
I thought the entertainment value was going to wane on TSFM, but some of the details published on here in the last couple of days are truly wonderful;
– Chuckles – what a cover story on settling European debt – the only reason it is being settled that Sevco know Uefa/Fifa will suddenly get seriously involved if they don’t – they had no option, or that 3 year ban was going to look like trivia….. “not just for the best interests of Rangers but for football as a whole” Aye, right !
– Sevco Manager – world-wide list of targets to join up with a 4th tier outfit in Scottish football, soon to be a 3rd tier team, then a 2nd tier team…. Aye, right !
(What a ridiculous quotation in that article, and the fact that somebody thought this was worth publishing, especially when they get the Ryan story right on top of it – comedy gold)
– Who played Brechin ? A non-club, that’s who… and officially stated by Sevco… “slight anomaly” ?… Aye, right !
– Sex discrimination against Sevco ? Really Chuckles, really ? … you’ll take them to court will you ?…. Aye, right !
– Kick Swansea and Cardiff out of the English Leagues…. Making new friends ? Aye, right !
– The Dundee United Cup tie… the Sevco manager will no doubt be wanting the names of the 50… what happens when you start intimidating your own fans ? Making friends ?…. Aye, right !
Keep it coming, Sevco, keep it coming… despite all the spin, its pretty obvious you are getting less and less popular the longer this goes on…. lovin’ yer work !
briggsbhoy@17.38: point taken – but humour can sometimes miss the mark (cf. the late Hugh Dallas!). Nothing is, I hope, personal on this blog.
It is touching to hear the plight of TRFC fans who have paid money for their season tickets and now find that “it was all for nothing”.
Can anybody think of any other groups of people who provided money, goods and services to a football club only to find that they got nothing back?
Answers on a postcard.
campsiejoe says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 18:22
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Humble Pie @ 18:07
So he has received a circular letter inviting Sevco, as an associate member, to the ECA talking shop
Wow, big deal, and this is being trumpeted as some fantastic achievement,vindication of Sevco’s overinflated opinion of itself, and it’s place in the game
Enjoy it Charlie, because it is as close as you will get to meeting these teams in Europe competition for a few years yet
If you remember last year he said he had attended a meeting in Switzerland, where clubs couldn’t believe how badly Sevco had been treated
To be honest, this isn’t hard to believe since he probably gave them a very one sided sob story, aided by Mr McLelland no doubt
The man has no shame, and is totally bereft of any humility
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There seems to be a small “Anomaly!” with the ECA’s opinion. They stated:
“Meanwhile Rangers FC, owned by the Rangers Football Club Plc, transferred all its assets, including its goodwill, to Sevco Ltd (Sevco Ltd later changing its name to the Rangers Football Club Ltd), it was held by the ECA executive board that the goodwill, taking into account legal and practical arguments, also included the history of the ‘old company’.
The small anomaly is, this is not only not true, but not possible. Goodwill was not and could not be purchased or transferred this way. The ECA might need better advise if they have supposedly had the legalities looked at.
Anomaly’s seem to follow Sevco like a bad smell.
paulmac2 @ 19:10
Sticking with the ECA for the moment
If new club = old club, why were Sevco only granted associate membership
After all, old club were founder members, and if new club = old club, then you would expect Sevco to be full members
Once again more spin, and no one is asking any questions
It’s embarrassing
According to Charlie on todays Gray and Keys….the reconstruction will be good for SEVCO…as it will mean they will move from the 4th tier to the 3rd tier of Scottish football and will be good for his business? But if it goes ahead we will still be looking to leave Scottish football??
Question: ‘where can you go?’…was asked..
‘there are options…not many’…he then goes onto ramble about womans football being the precedent to cross border for mens football..
Again unchallenged on their options…
His options can be summed up in two words…F**K ALL!
jimmicks75 says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 19:27
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It is touching to hear the plight of TRFC fans who have paid money for their season tickets and now find that “it was all for nothing”.
Can anybody think of any other groups of people who provided money, goods and services to a football club only to find that they got nothing back?
Answers on a postcard.
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Maybe they might start to realise why supporters are so angry at spending a decade paying out and purchasing season tickets to watch a corrupt League for the past 10 seasons.
Heres an option for you Charlie -why dont you join the Junior League set up
its where you should have started in the 1st place anyway
campsiejoe says:
Friday, January 11, 2013 at 19:30
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Joe…it defy’s explanation how this individual can be given so much air time by a selected few….state whatever he likes…even to the point of openly contradicting himself and not bet challenged or even corrected!
Andy Gray attempted to counter Chucks Celtic season ticket claim by saying…’to be fair Charles…Celtic fans would still have bought season tickets’…to which Charlie put him in his place by saying…’of course there would still be some Celtic fans who will buy season tickets…but the numbers would have been far lower had they known Rangers would not be in the SPL’….
Que silence from Andy…
ordinaryfan @ 19:28
It has been pointed out on here before, and you’ve pointed out again
Goodwill can only be purchased, when it is part of a going concern i.e. when you are taking over a business
it does not apply to liquidated companies
paulmac2 @ 19:38
The man and his statements are beyond the pale, and will continue to be, until someone seriously challenges his raving
WOW just WOW regards chico’s latest attempt to boost the gullible
To be accepted as the same club by your peers (the CSA) no matter what lawyers and the authorities say (would that be the SFA /UEFA ) .If you are the same club chico why are not a founder member now instead of an associate member .
Also the top European teams are saying come to Quatar we will pay your air fares and your hotel bills ,is this a guy that has boasted of just taking in £22m to a debt free club and while I’m at it why would clubs offer to pay another clubs air fare and hotel bills ,in what way would this comment come up in conversation .
Now we have warned the sevco 2012 fans again and again not to just listen to what is stated by the peepil and if they do not see after that statement that they are being fed a pile of brown stuff then they deserve all they get .
I am so ,so glad that this guy is nowhere near my club
campsiejoe
I was of the same mind as you regards someone challenging CGs rants but after reading that last one ,I have not changed my tune .I think no one should challenge him in fact they should encourage him .
That last one is truly astounding ,I have been looking for one single true journalist to tell the truth about the same club nonsense ,never in my wildest dreams did I think it would actually be Chico that would expose it and on their own web-site of all places .
I am gobsmacked