A Roman God, a New Year, a Paycheque a Sports Jacket and that thing called football!

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Celtic Paranoia (@CelticParanoia) says: Friday, January 18, 2013 at 13:55 As for …

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Celtic Paranoia (@CelticParanoia) says:

Friday, January 18, 2013 at 13:55
As for deflection – it was you who was originally asked to provide examples where Celtic had been favoured in such a way by the SFA but chose to go down the deflection route with a straw man ‘we could never have known how Celtic fans would react to the liquidation’ rubbish. The point is they would – and did – prevent it.
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You’re beng selective here CP – I gave two examples of where I thought Celtic and Rangers were treated more favourably than the rest of Scottish football. You haven’t responded to that. I’ve consistently been critical of the horrendous behaviour that led to Rangers demise and supported both RTC and TSFM efforts seeking fair play in Scottish football. Your ‘straw man’ name calling is, well… just that – maybe better to give it a rest. Just a final thought – Rangers fans seem to be putting their hands in their pockets in exactly the same way as Celtic fans did, and Dundee fans and Hearts fans did. On TSFM maybe we should be asking why we always pay and what return we get.

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thornlyboy says:
Friday, January 18, 2013 at 12:11
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With all due respect to some venerable posters, it’s not ‘all about the money’. The disciplinary fiasco after the match at CP and the ‘gentlemen’ who exonerated McCoist (clearly the guilty party) exemplify a deeper loyalty. In Scotland, it’s not so much a case of ‘Cherchez la femme!’ but ‘Cherchez la loge!’ Do that and it makes sense.

PS It’s not a ‘conspiracy’, rather a mindset and apparently can be traced back to one Sir John Ure Primrose (I think he’s the one). Those better qualified than me can confirm.

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thornlyboy, for the other clubs and SFA/SPL/SFL paid staff it’s the money. I’ve no doubt that Rangers were given an easy ride by the media and Scotland’s footballing bodies, at least in part due to historic allegiances, but that wasn’t what allowed them to stay in business. I can’t guarantee this because I’ve no familiarity with the goings on of freemasonry but I guess that the Chief Execs and Chairmen of the SPL clubs who wanted Rangers fast-tracked back from SFL asap are not all members of their local ludges. The thirty teams in the SFL also followed the money to get them into SFL3. They were weak and their judgment stank but it wasn’t a masonic plot to limit the advantage to those from the East End.


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Auldheid (@Auldheid) says:
Friday, January 18, 2013 at 10:38
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.blu says:

Friday, January 18, 2013 at 09:44

When I was on a Disciplinary Panel for an amatuer league the protection of referees was paramount.

I was therefore astounded when after delaying the hearing Calum Murray spoke out in defense of Diouf/Bougherra. I wondered what other referees thought of him being asked to do so and that he did. The handling of that whole episode stinks.

My conclusion was that protecting Rangers was of the highest prioriy at the SFA. No surprise that this policy continued after they were liquidated.

Its all about the money, always was.

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Auldheid, agree that the ref manhandlers should have been subject to severe disciplinary sanctions and that it’s all about the money.


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bawsman says:
Friday, January 18, 2013 at 09:52
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“blu says:
Friday, January 18, 2013 at 09:44
Anyway, that’s all deflection as we were talking about whether Scottish football would bend the rules as far as they could to keep the two Glasgow clubs in business at any price. My view is that it would. Celtic, like Rangers, wouldn’t be treated in the same way Gretna were.”

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We (Celtic) have NEVER been treated the same as the old (or new) Rangers.

When the bank was for closing Celtic down my abiding memories were of the MSM baying for blood, countdown to closure, hearses at the stadium etc. it was a great laugh.

It is refreshing to see outside bodies involved, HMRC, BDO, Lord Nimmo Smith, let’s hope justice will be seen to be done.

Interesting times ahead.

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Bawsman, From my viewing of scottish football over many years Celtic and Rangers have been treated in exactly the same way. Of course the recent re-writing of rules and moving of heaven and earth to accommodate and sustain football at Ibrox is unique.

However, on the matter of financial meltdown there there are similarities – despite all evidence pointing clearly to the fact that all Rangers woes are down to mismanagement on the grand scale a great number of their fans believe (see shields/theglen) that there has been a conspiracy against them by all and sundry. Completely misunderstanding the BBC Madmen montage of McCoist always landing on his feet, they’d have that as their equivalent of (The Record’s?) hearse for Celtic. Was it not the bank that ultimately did for David Murray’s involvement in Rangers? IIRC Celtic were poorly managed by the old families and there were protests from some Celtic fans (I don’t think this was unanimous, fans tend to follow, not lead) who found allies in a few businessmen (Brian Dempsey?) that luckily (from your point of view) led to Fergus McCann.

Your final points take us on from the speculation and like you and theglen I hope that those bodies will do their jobs and whatever the consequences arise from their findings are applied without fear or favour.


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