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A Sanity Clause for Xmas?
Timing of Kenny McDowall’s resignation seems odd. Another bid to force Ashley’s hand?
A Sanity Clause for Xmas?
January 18, 2015 at 11:51 pm
Big Pink says:
January 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm
“… all sorts of spin and lies and distorted statistics would be produced along with sociolgists being wheeled out to tell us how cathartic (and in fact beneficial) the whole process is.”
I can’t disagree with the general sentiment that the upcoming new old firm game reintroduces a problem that would be better done without. However I think we need to be realistic.
Rangers have undergone the consequences of their financial mismanagement and though the sanctions should have been more onerous, you cannot deny a football club the right to play football:
That isn’t what I suggested CoT. My suggestion was that any game between Celtic and Rangers should be played without a live audience.
Community singing and other atmos could be added later 🙂
A Sanity Clause for Xmas?
Like James Forest, I was struck by Auldheid’s eloquence this week when he likened a Rangers v Celtic game to a televised square-go. I think there is now an almost unanimous agreement within this community that Auldheid has articulated expertly. Further, I think that the TSFM consensus goes even deeper to the extent that most of us would be happy to legislate to ensure the game never took place again.
As recently as twelve months ago, there was a discussion on TSFM that some fans were looking forward to the return of that match, and that they had a right to see it.
I have no wish to start a political debate over the rights of the individual to witness this particular “sporting event”, except to say that other forms of sport less injurious to human beings have long since been banned. Dogfighting, cockfighting, bare knuckle fighting; all sports which statistically are less likely to result in harm are all banned. Playing Tig with trains is another.
A Celtic v Rangers match is absolutely guaranteed to see serious injury to members of the public as well as all manner of threats against emergency service staff in the pursuit of their vocation to deal with those injuries. It is also certain to lead to increased incidence of domestic violence, and very probably cause death somewhere along its treacherous path; and that is to say nothing of the collateral damage to businesses, neighbourhoods and people going about their normal, non-football related business.
“But we need this game” © H Keevins, G Spiers
If I had one wish for TSFM beyond that of the TRFC era it would be that we could mobilise enough support to persuade the Scottish goverment that the fixture should be banned from viewing in public. At the very least, why not play it behind closed doors for a couple of years and sell it to TV as a special, only to be viewed in private homes and not (a la Witherspoons) in public houses?
I think it is a serious enough matter to at least look at ways of legislating to minimise the potential for harm. My guess is that the only real opposition to such a move would come from Ibrox, Parkead, and the WoS MSM.
All sorts of ridicule would be heaped upon the proposers of such a move; all sorts of spin and lies and distorted statistics would be produced along with sociolgists being wheeled out to tell us how cathartic (and in fact beneficial) the whole process is. The infingement of basic rights would be flung in their faces, and the loss of revenue to the Scottish game would also be quantified in frightening terms. Armageddon all over again in fact.
I wonder what Mark Scott’s family think of his right to grow into the man he would have been, or what price they would pay to have that life back? And Mark Scott is not the only one.
They tell us that sectarianism is a societal problem, and that Blue on Green warfare is a consequence of that. But I think that 200 years down the line it’s time we started to ask ourselves if the egg has turned into the chicken. In the couple of years since the last televised square-go, what has been the trend in attacks on hospital staff, domestic violence and casual drunken violence during and after football matches? And what does that tell us about society’s shortcomings? The real societal problem is greed, the love of money and the desperate rush to acquisition – no matter who gets trampled in the stampede.
It’s not enough to say that most people get harmless enjoyment from it: far too many are victims of it. Far too many.
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Were the clubs willing parties to a fraud on Scottish football, or were they victims themselves?
If the former, that does beg the question as to whether there is any point in carrying on.
Yes there is – because the real battle here is between the clubs and their ‘customers’. The clubs can in fact do as they like. They have no emotional attachment to the sport in the way the fans do. Everything is settled by a cost/benefit analysis. This particular one deemed that following the rules correctly was the downside of the argument.
They justify it by dressing the SFA up as some kind of quasi legal guardian of the game, when in fact it is just a trade association – a cartel used as a blunt instrument to con the punters.
The Sevco 5088 Ltd/Sevco Scotland Ltd court cases may throw some light into the dark corners of Hampden’s Star Chamber.
So might we. We are still not done.
The evidence suggest strongly that the clubs are less concerned with the integrity of the game than we are.
The final outcome is dependent on our resolve. That is not in doubt at SFM. The question is;
“Are there enough of us?”
John Clark 13th March 2016 at 1:11 pm
A priceless observation from Chick a few minutes go: ” Robert Burns died in 1796. He was closer in time to Hibs’ last Cup win than we are”.
Don’t know what point precisely he was trying to make, but it left the rest of the Sportsound chaps stunned in amused speechlessness!
I suppose that just demonstrates that Chic is as good at arithmetic as he is at telling the truth.
Give that he was born around 1954 that takes him to within 52 years of Hibs’ last cup win.
Burns is an outlier at 106 years.
Did anyone point out to Chic that it was in fact the League Cup today.
Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep indeed!
Apologies. Haven’t yet had time to respond, due to a current and very raging bout of man flu
However I will try to do so over the weekend.
Turnbull Hutton’s attitude to the new club being given precedence over Spartans et al was that by any reasonable measure, and given their extraordinary fan-base and facilities, TRFC would have been given the spot anyway. In his view, the authorities pragmatically exercised their powers of discretion to short-circuit the entry application process.
In retrospect that became crucial to TRFC in their continuity myth-building, because the gap, even though it existed, was easier to Band-Aid over because of that fast-tracking.
I won’t rush to criticise TH too easily though. He was not too fussed over the minutiae of the OCNC debate, but he was steadfastly against what he saw as corruption in the SFA and SPL and was appalled by the calling to arms of the mob by McCoist and others. And he didn’t just pay lip service to it either. He was a consistent and generous donor to SFM, because he shared our view that in order to call itself a sport, football had to structure itself on the basis of as level a playing field as possible.
Whenever I doubt the merits of our case, I think of Turnbull on the steps of Hampden accusing the SFA of corruption – and the subsequent absence of a visit from the Compliance Officer.
Like all good serial offenders, the SFA avoid battles they can’t win. No engagement with TH, no engagement with the Res12 group, no engagement with the SPL over their expulsion of a 140 year old club.