A spectre is haunting Scottish Football


Ianagain says: November 21, 2014 at 9:26 pm 10 0 Rate …

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ianagain says:
November 21, 2014 at 9:26 pm
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Does not everyone recall Saintinasias many posts and tables proving without doubt that Rangers (not here) was absolutely or mildly worse or the same as(are here)?

Have we all lost our marbles?

Though the ‘Well blamed a tiny proportion of last years loss (one of the few to make one)on the gers thing. The main losses were due to the SPLs failure to get a sponsor. Cup failure and our own redistribution of prize money to our players.
Im sure in reality anyone suffering down turns in income in the SPL would come to the same conclusion.
BTW Peter I contributed last Friday. 2 Pies 2 Bovril’s nice atmosphere. Keep the 4.60 till the gers are back.


I recall this as well Ianagain and its one of the reasons I’m rather sceptical about such a bold statement as Lawell has made about the losses Celtic face without Rangers in the top league.

However (like you) I’m not getting my knickers in a twist about it – its just seems a little odd and I find the motivation behind the remarks a bit mysterious. Why bother?

Anyway, I am fairly confident that my own club has not lost out near as much, if at all by the current lack of Rangersness so I suppose there are going to be winners and losers all around..

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Hamerdoon says:
December 16, 2014 at 8:18 pm
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I am clearly getting more agitated as days go by, might be the weather or work.

Was it a bad foul on Black – yes, but I’m going on the argument that because it wasn’t detected at the time, it can no longer be held against the player i.e. it was an ‘eligible foul’. ‘Eligible fouls’ have intrinsic, temporal and quantum mechanical properties. Consequently they don’t need to be explained to anyone outwith those of us who understand what that means in practice, as opposed to theory.

Richard Wilson tonight – McCoist is getting a bit of a doing from Stewart. Wilson feels the need to step in and repeat what he had said 5mins before, that Ally felt that the had had enough and needed to resign etc……..he worked for nothing during Administration…………[Stewart – did he get his money back for that Richard?] ——–eh, No I haven’t heard that, I don’t know, but he worked for nothing……………………………..

Wilson’s sycophantic generalities about Rangers is getting to me. Basically he reads out a crib sheet from Ally McCoist or his agent. OK, ‘technically’ [in the Rangers sense], he can argue that McCoist worked for zero wage during that period, and ‘technically’ he can argue he is not implying anything other than that – this is nothing more than a rhetorical device to try to protect himself. The foundation of his argument fails because it is obvious he is implying McCoist did not receive any ‘payment’ [as opposed to wage] for working during Administration, whilst admitting he did not know if McCoist had received any payment for such work.

What is up with the BBC sports people – I’m totally perplexed that they would allow this sort of sophistry to continue over such an extended period of time, years now. Baffled.

Telfer cash – doesn’t the ‘Rangers’ defence’ (copyright) mean that they accept the OCNC argument? What am I missing here?


Richard Wilsons output has been a source of annoyance for me for a long time Hamerdoon.

I’ve no idea why but 90% of his BBC output seems Rangers focused but I expect I missed when he was appointed as the BBCs official Rangers correspondant.

I expect its just like the royal family, the BBC feel the need for special reporters dedicated to this important institution.

A spectre is haunting Scottish Football
Auldheid says:
December 15, 2014 at 11:13 pm
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I think there has been a significant change in attitude to Saving Rangers At All Costs”

Now that the bill for that approach is being served the fear of losing “Rangers as was” is nothing as strong as it was in 2012.

Fear of the financial consequences and reaction of angry bears is no longer a factor.

In fact you could argue that the actual experience of the former and it’s impact on TRFC themselves has had a sobering effect on the latter.

The SFA are in a stronger position to bargain with Ashley than they were with CG.

The SFA always had the power to prevent “Rangers” continuing in any form under licensing rules, but it was a bargaining chip that never saw the table for fear of the consequences.

Now they could make a licence dependent on conditions they set that would be part of a public agreement that not only “Rangers” fans would welcome because it guarantees no more instability, but the supporters of other clubs would accept, subject to verifiable monitoring.

This policy represents a way out of the mess our game finds itself in because there has been no transparency or accountability or courage.

Domestic FFP rigorously policed would provide the kind of assurances that the days of pursuit of UEFA geld to keep a club alive have been well and truly consigned to history.

This hard nosed do it our way approach would apply whether it’s Ashley or New Blues riding on to the scene.

Time the SFA grew a set and those without gonads moved aside to let real men of integrity take over.


Assuming the SFA actually want to implement FFP dometically, I’d think the biggest barrier to this for them at the moment is that their preferred champions are a million miles from meeting any sensible FFP rules that might be implemented.

However… Seems to me that if anyone can force Rangers on to a break even financial footing then Mike Ashley and Derek Lambias are the very ones capable of doing so.

Might the SFA be happy to allow Ashley to continue if he can look them in the eye and make it clear this is what will happen at Rangers in the next few months?

Would they make a convenient trade off and take the opportunity to implement FFP (once Rangers are within reach of the requirements) but turn a sympathetic eye on Ashley’s involvement?

Perhaps Mike can be persuaded to sign an agreement to state there will be no cross over of interests between NUFC and RFC – no players sales, loans or anything else.

A spectre is haunting Scottish Football
Is the SFA hearing deliberately far off into the distance to allow the men from MASH to complete their work and step back again for more emm, ‘rangers minded’ directors to take up positions on the board?

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Bill1903October 12, 2016 at 07:40
Oh and another thing. Its bad enough the Aberdeen v Morton semi being at 1215 KO on a Saturday(with train disruption that day) But to insist its played at Hampden with a probable crowd under 20 thousand is ridiculous. A full house at Easter Road or Tynecastle would have at least made the game look important. You have to wonder if those running the game have the slightest clue.


The old cynic in my wonders if the SFA are quite happy with this state of affairs as it will remind everyone just how important the “Old Firm” is and how irrelevant the rest of us are.
I have no doubt the small crowd will be ignorantly compared by certain Journos to the OF Crowd the next day with not the slightest recognition of the kick of times, travel problems and so on.
Quite a few AFC fans are simply fed up travelling to such a pitifully crap stadium as Hampden for these games anyway.
I’d love to see the SFA have the vision for a new national stadium in Stirling.
OR the balls to admit we don’t need a national stadium and take the games to other grounds around the country.

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The TRFC extension of JBs suspensions seems to indicate they are working to keep him off the payroll at least temporarily if not permanently.
All of which makes the very timely action from the SFA really quite questionable in my opinion.
Are we really supposed to believe that JB just happened to be the only player in Scotland placing bets and the SFA just happened to get their ducks in a row just as TRFC fell out with JB.
I find it just a bit too convenient.
I suspect TRFC reported their own player, which is up to them but what worries me is the SFA are able to act very quickly (once again) when the interests of certain teams are at stake.

.. and they wonder why nobody buys papers
Might a manager in dispute with his club, but not willing to be found in breach of contract, be obliged to take training and get on with his contractual duties within the club.
While activities like talking to the media and being part of the endless Level5 Spin may not be contractual?

The Offline Game
Can anyone explain the recent reports in the media that Rangers had withdraw IP rights from Rangers Retail?
Would prevent Rangers Retail / Sports Direct from selling Rangers branded merchandise? (as the reports seemed to me to suggest)
Or was that misleading and in fact it will only prevent them from manufacturing new products that use the IP?
Its just that I happened to be in a Sports Direct store this week and it was rammed with Rangers merchandise of all kinds, all very much bearing the old and new logos..
And yet I Martin Williams in the Herald reporting another victory on top of this previous victory over Mike Ashley. The way the reporting in the Herald has it I’m surprised Dave king hasn’t crushed Ashley out of all existence by now. 14

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