A spectre is haunting Scottish Football

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Cygnus X2 says: December 22, 2014 at 7:59 am The only material …

Comment on A spectre is haunting Scottish Football by ecobhoy.

Cygnus X2 says:
December 22, 2014 at 7:59 am

The only material part of the AGM statement…

At this AGM, we are requesting permission from shareholders to enable us to issue shares to improve the long term financial stability of the Club.
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And possibly the most important missing bit is whether they will go for a disapplication of pre exemption rights for shares resolution.

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A spectre is haunting Scottish Football
jimlarkin says:
December 21, 2014 at 7:13 am
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I had a Xmas drink with a few mates on Friday including one of my sons. A long-time Celtic supporter although his first love is rugby which he also played.

He no longer has an ST for Parkhead because he’s bored – and that’s pre RD btw – and says there’s absolutely no excitement/no buzz left for him.

He does think a return of Rangers might bring him back but actually isn’t sure.

And I think that’s the problem in many ways that – even if an Ashley controlled Rangers is in the top flight – that football is on a steady decline for a whole variety of reasons.

The reinvention of the ‘Old Firm’ might ignite a temporary interest but how long will it last as we are beamed much better football from all over Europe at the weekend and on a Saturday.

I just have a horrible vision of a return to ‘Old Firm’ clugfests. That may have got me roaring as a younger dafter man. Now it would simply sicken me because it isn’t the football I want to watch. I’m not interested in on-field bruising battles where the victor is often determined by brutal physical assaults.

I have matured and simply love watching good football being played and the older I get the less bothered I am about which team is playing it. The football is more important to me than anything – OK I expect to support Celtic until I shuffle off this mortal coil but that isn’t down to blind loyalty and my support is most certainly not unconditional.

However, the older I get especially on a cold, wet Winter’s day the harder it is to drag myself to the game. Especially against having a few pints in a warm pub with plenty of banter with mates and watching TV on telly.

Of course there isn’t ‘The Atmosphere’ but that’s slowly fading for me – whether that’s just me and getting older I don’t know for sure. But I doubt it.

I shudder to think that we have to return to the carnage of the ‘Old Firm’ to fill stadiums and find ‘atmosphere’. I won’t be going to the cup game v Rangers and will think carefully about whether I even watch it in a pub.

It will certainly be a litmus test as to whether we have made any progress as a society in the last few years and an indicator of what could follow if Rangers return to the top flight either next season or the following.

I genuinely hope I am pleasantly surprised but time and experience has prepared me to anticipate the worst and prepare and act accordingly.


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As to Ashley I doubt if anyone but him and a couple of his most trusted lieutenants have a clue what will be unfolded at the agm.

Personally I’ll wait to hear what is announced although it does look as though he’s decided he’s here for the longer rather than short term.

Tbh it might be best that we have it finally exposed what the SFA agenda is and whether it has any backbone which I doubt. But we are getting nearer to the final stages.

If Rangers survives through Ashley’s largesse it will be used and developed in the interests of SportsDirect and Ashley’s masterplan. I doubt if that will sit comfortably with a lot of Bears.

However it’s their decision either to walk away, accept what’s on offer, or form an alternative. Indeed they might well have a 3-way split.

But with Ashley drip-feeding the Ibrox entity it will survive financially of that I have no doubt. I also have absolutely no interest in the split of assets between Ashley and the mystery overseas spivs.

It’s not my team and as I was on the verge of walking away from Celtic before the Wee Man from Croy – who was actually from Kilsyth IIRC – arrived on the scene I will make no comment on whatever decision is reached by individual Bears.

Of course that all pre-supposes the SFA will collapse like a pack of cards. I believe they will at that point I will simply defend and support my club to the best of my ability because we will be operating in a lawless environment akin to the ‘Wild West’.

How things pan-out from there I don’t have a clue because there are too many variables at work IMO. But I have the feeling Scottish Football could be in for a very rough ride indeed.


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oddjob says:
December 21, 2014 at 8:58 am

Guess I’ll have to throw in Clint Walker as Cheyenne, Hugh O Brian as Wyatt Earp, and Chuck Connors as the Rifleman , these “Trigger” any memories?
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Of course they do to a Glasgow kid immersed in the love of all things ‘Western’ and I mean via the flix and not Byres Road.

But ‘Trigger’ accompanied by Roy Rogers as his supporting act is one of my earliest childhood memories in terms of excitement and atmosphere. Funny I can’t remember the theatre but seem to think it might have been the old St Andrews Halls or possibly Kelvin Hall.

I was simply fixated on Trigger who brought the magic of the Wild West to the mean streets of Glasgow not just for me but for thousands of Glasgow kids raised in the bleak times of WWII and its gloomy aftermath.

Getting to the pictures was one of the few escapes and had to be paid-for by scrounged empty beer bottles. Funny I don’t seem to remember ginger bottles having a deposit in those days and in any case skoosh was a luxury my family couldn’t afford and there was sugar rationing after all.

Football was for men – many still traumatised after their wartime service – and of course they drank especially on a Saturday and many mothers sent their kids to the pics to keep them out of the road.

Those were the ‘good times’ apparently 🙁


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jimmci says:
April 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm

And why did we not get the panel’s reasoning together with the decision last night?
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Simples ❗ The Decision was the easy bit 😆 The explanation to sell it was the hard bit and despite a nightshift they appear to have fluffed their lines AGAIN 🙄


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Allyjambo says:
April 24, 2015 at 2:18 pm

Might I suggest that SD’s main interest in this meeting was to put the RIFC board straight on some matters regarding the security over the IP and just how watertight it is, rather than to discuss funding or any ‘amicable’ discussion how best to move the club forward!
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You might be right but would SD want the club suffering another Insolvency Event? Perhaps they were asking for the second loan tranche of £5 million which the new board apparently rejected on taking control.

I have undernoted a reply I made to parttimearab last night which may have been missed but may also be relevant.

3. Insolvency events

(i) The inability of the Company to pay its debts as they fall due within the meaning of section 123 of the Insolvency Act 1986 (the “Act”);
(ii) The issue of an application for an administration order or a notice of intention to appoint an administrator in relation to the Company;
(iii) The passing of a resolution or order for the Company’s winding-up, dissolution, administration or reorganisation;
(iv) The declaration of a moratorium in relation to any of the Company’s indebtedness;
(v) The making of any arrangement or any proposal for any arrangement with any of the Company’s creditors; and
(vi) The appointment of a liquidator, receiver, administrator, supervisor or other similar officer in respect of any of the Company’s assets.

Now I haven’t a clue whether that has anything to do with the SPFL Rule Change. But it’s clear that there could be various stages in an Insolvency Event and perhaps the rule change is to cover all eventualities which might not have been previously defined in the Rule Book.

In particular I look at:

(vi) The appointment of a liquidator, receiver, administrator, supervisor or other similar officer in respect of any of the Company’s assets.

And I think of the various charges which have been placed on Rangers assets wrt the £5 million loan. I have previously posted that the contracts wrt a Default Event could see the assets pass to SportsDirect without any court hearing and SD also already has the power to appoint a Receiver to deal with any of the assets that pass to it via a loan default event.

Now that might not ultimately lead to a full-blown Insolvency depending on what SD actually decide to do with Rangers. But looking at the above I wonder whether with the SPFL rule change that just taking control of the assets is enough to be classed as an Insolvency Event under SPFL Rules?

Perhaps the SPFL are thinking ahead ?

But does the rule take effect immediately or from the new season?

It seems that if it is immediate and Rangers suffers an Insolvency Event then that would be an automatic 25 points this season and 15 next season. Assuming it is able to survive death a second time.


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Resin_lab_dog says:
April 24, 2015 at 12:10 pm
ecobhoy says:
April 24, 2015 at 12:00 pm
blu says:
April 24, 2015 at 11:40 am
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From what I saw, all criticisms emanating from ICTFC was directed towards the SFA machinery and not towards CFC. Similarly, I have seen no evidence of any criticism of ICTFC being put forward by CFC. I see that fact as quite telling.

Celtic were quite entitled to make all the statements they made and had the boot been on the other foot, in the circumstances I am sure KC at ICTFC would have done likewise.

Similarly, had the situtaions been reversed w.r.t. the foul, I would have expected CFC to back their player robsutly in the same way that ICTFC did.

This is about governance of the sport, not internecine disagreements between member clubs – for which I am yet to see any cause advanced from either party.
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Couldn’t agree more!


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blu says:
April 24, 2015 at 11:40 am

My view is that Celtic played this one wrong (only in the public nature of it)and it was easy for media outlets to infer cause and effect in the Celtic/Compliance Officer actions.
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There is some merit in your view IMO. However there’s a balancing act to be achieved which requires an answer to what the officials saw, didn’t see, or decided or didn’t decide on Sunday.

All I heard in the ground, leaving the ground, on the train, in the pub, was real anger and disbelief at the decision which worsened with the TV replays.

I do think Celtic fans were due an explanation and tbf to Celtic I doubt if they could have forseen what an absolute hash the SFA would make of it. Obviously the SMSM has ridden to the rescue of the SFA so what’s new about that?

But we’re still awaiting the answers requested. Will we get them? Not without keeping the pressure on the SFA on all fronts where Hampden’s dark secrets exist.


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Gabby says:
April 24, 2015 at 10:18 am

If Celtic really, really felt they needed to send a letter, then this is the type of thing they should have sent…
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I disagree as the letter you suggest goes way beyond the immediate point which is simply: ‘Please explain how the decision was arrived at’. I say decision because when Celic sent the letter it seemed there had been no decision reached but that the incident had been ‘missed’ by all officials.

Once the SFA provide that info then Celtic can make a decision as to if and how it should proceed with the matter.

My credo in a situation like this is not to give any leeway to a slippery character or room for manoeuvre. Ask the straight simple question and take it from there once the basic position is established.

Never jump fences too soon and never ever jump fences you don’t need to especially if you don’t know what lies in wait on the other side.


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