From the TSFM Manifesto š
A spectre is haunting Scottish Football ā the spectre of Sporting Integrity. All the powers of the old firms have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Billy and Dan, Blazer and Cassock, Record and Sun, Balance Sheet and P&L.
Where is the football fan in opposition to these that has not been decried as a “sporting integrity bampot” by his opponents in power?Two things result from this fact:
I. Sporting Integrity is already widely acknowledged to be itself a power for good.
II. It is high time that Lovers of Sport should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Sporting Integrity with a manifesto of fair play.
To this end, Lovers of Sport of various partisanship have assembled on TSFM and sketched their manifesto, to be published on tsfm.scot.
Those who love sport though are challenged not just by the taunts of the monosyllabic automatons in the MSM, but by the owners of our football clubs who have displayed an almost total disregard to our wish to have a fair competition played out in the spirit of friendly rivalry. In fact the clubs, who speak those fine words, are not nearly as outraged as we are by the damage done to the integrity of the sport in the past few years .
In fact the term Sporting Integrity has become, since the latter stages of the Rangers era, a term ofĀ abuse; a mocking soubriquet attached to those who want sport to be just that – sport.
Sporting integrity now lives in the same media pigeon-hole as words like Islam, left-wing, militant, Muslim – and a host of others; words which are threats to the established order now set up as in-jokes, in order to reduce the effectiveness of the idea.
In fact, a new terminology has evolved in the reporting of football by both club officials and The Succulent Lamb Chapel alike;
“.. Sporting Integrity but …”.
For example
“We all want sporting integrity, but finance is more important”
Says who exactly?
Stated in such a matter of fact way that the obvious question is headed off at the pass, it is sometimes difficult to re-frame the discussion – perhaps because crayon is so hard to erase?
This is the backdrop to The Scottish Football Monitor and the world in which we live. Often the levels of scrutiny employed by our contributors are far in excess of any scrutiny employed by the MSM. Indeed our ideas and theories are regularly plagiarised by those very same lazy journalists who lurk here, and cherry-pick material to suit their own agendas; regularly claiming exclusives for stories that TSFM and RTC before us had placed in the public domain weeks earlier.
This was going to lead into a discourse about the love of money versus the love of sport – of how the sacred cows of acquisitiveness, gate- retention and turnstile spinning is far more important to the heads of our football clubs (the Billys, Dans and Blazers of the intro) than maintaining the traditions of our sport.
However events of Friday 14th November have given me cause to leave that for another day. The biggest squirrel of all in this sorry saga has always been the sleight of hand employed instil a siege mentality in the Rangers fans. The press have time and again assisted people (with no love of football in general or Rangers in particular) to enrich themselves – legally or otherwise – and feed on the loyalty of Rangers fans.
A matter for Rangers fans may also be the identity of some of those who had their trust, butĀ who also assisted the Whytes and Greens by their public statements of support.
Our contention has been that rules have been bent twisted or broken to accommodate those people, the real enemies of the Rangers fans – and fans everywhere.
Through our collective research and group-analysis of events, we have also wondered out loud about the legality of many aspects of the operating style of some of the main playersĀ in the affair. That suspicion has been shared most notably by Mark Daly and Alex Thompson, but crucially now appears to be shared by Law Enforcement.
I confess I am fed up with the self-styled “bampot” epithet. For the avoidance of doubt, the “bampots” in this affair are those who have greater resources than us, and access to the truth, but who have lacked either the will orĀ theĀ courage or the imagination to follow it through.
We are anything but bampots. Rather, weĀ have demonstrated that the wisdom of the crowd is more effective by far than any remnants of wisdom in the press.
I have no doubt that the police investigation into this matter is proceeding in spite of great opposition in the MSM and the Scottish Football Authorities – all of whom conspired to expose Rangers to the custodianship of those for whom football is a foreign language.
I have no doubt that the constant exposition of wrong-doing on this blog, in particular the questions we have constantly raised, and anomalies we have pointed out, has assisted and enabled the law enforcement agencies in this process.
If we are to be consistent in this, our enabling of the authorities, we MUST show restraint at all times as this process is followed through. People who are charged with a crime deserve to be given a fair trial in the absence of rumour or innuendo. We must also, if we are to continue as the spectre which haunts the avaricious – and the real bampots – be seen to be better than they, and give them no cause to accuse us of irresponsibility.
This affair has now evolved way beyond one club gaining unfair advantage over others. For all the understandable Schadenfreude of many among us, the real enemy is not Rangers, it is about those who enabled and continue to enable the farce at Ibrox.
This is now about systematic cheating at the heart of the Scottish game (in the name of cash and in spite of lip service to sporting integrity), and how the greed of a bunch of ethically challenged officials allowed another group of ethically challenged businessmenĀ free rein to enrich themselves at the expense of the fans.
Whether laws were broken or not, theĀ players at Rangers have come and gone and are variables, but the malignant constant at the SFA and SPFL are still there. Last night, even after the news that four men had been arrested in connection with the takeover at Ibrox in 2011, they were gathered together at Celtic Park with their Irish counterparts, tucking into succulent lamb (perhaps) and fine wines, doing someĀ back slapping, makingĀ jokes about the vulgarities of their fans, bragging about the ST money they have banked.
The revolution won’t be over until they are gone, and if they remain, it is Scottish Football that will be over.
An excellent new post, TSFM. You have hit the nail on the head. It is the corruption of our governing bodies that should be of prime concern to the clubs and their supporters. The current Sevco saga is merely a sideshow, regardless of whether the Ibrox club survives or not.
There have been a number of posts on here in the last year or so asking why the police investigation has gone quiet or if in fact it had been kicked into the long grass. A couple of weeks ago we learned that āCharlotte Fakesā had been arrested and now we have the four arrests yesterday. I wonder if the first step was to secure evidence from āCharlotteāsā laptop to give the police sufficient grounds to start a series of further arrests?
My hope is that this investigation shakes the Hampden tree to such an extent that a new governing body emerges for the good of all Scottish football. That is the bigger picture in my eyes. Before Ogilvie & Co depart, it would be gratifying to see the 5-Way Agreement finally reach the public domain.
I have a dream, that one day, Ogilvie & Lawwell, Regan & Doncaster, Topping & Longmuir, Petrie & Riley and all the other members of the SFA, SPL & SFL boards are questioned under oath , in a court of law, about what they did & didn’t know/do in relation to the demise of rangers and the 5 way agreement.
I appreciate that it is unlikely that I will get my wish, but it is the only way we will ever cut through the obfuscations & mis-directions and break the code of Omerta, that surrounds the re-birth of Rangers.
Until we know the whole unvarnished truth, however unpleasant, there is no prospect of rebuilding trust in the authorities. It’s also the only way, that Ranger’s fans are going to be able to move on.
Excellent post yet again. Keep up the good work.
A ‘cracker’ TSFM. Thanks and continue.
āEvery man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.ā
ā Martin Luther King Jr.
A spectre is haunting Scottish Football
Yep
I agree
But in the short term it will probably be
The spectre of “Keep away from damaged goods”
Do
I wouldn`t be a bit surprised if there is now a complete freeze by the SPFL and SFA on any actions they had in mind to assist TRFC into the top tier.
I reckon Hampden`s priorities are already refocussing on self preservation
Some people may even now be considering moving on to new pastures with the full support of their employers
GoosyGoosy says:
November 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm
“Some people may even now be considering moving on to new pastures with the full support of their employers”
That is a concern, the individuals would move beyond reach, while the rump SFA/SPFL would herald the changes as “a new dawn” while in reality, naff all would change
The smsm have welcomed all potential messiahs at Ibrox. They promoted all and the fans believed the hype to their detriment. What aids and supports this hype is the embedded mind set of fans from the previous regime, simply put buy success out with your financial scope. Do not question just follow as they thought they were to big and would not be allowed to fail. This is the way it is imo down Govan way. Football has got to be governed to help protect all clubs, the SFA seem to be protecting at all costs only one entity. This is not acceptable and they are not fit for purpose. I only hope that these new investigations show the SFA how enept and embarrassing they really are. What other football association would blatantly protect one club above all others. Campbell Ogilvie should be asked some questions on the role of the sfa in relation to the goings on at Ibrox. But alas the ones to ask the questions are still to this day to busy eating lamb.
Billy Boyce says:
November 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm
‘.My hope is that this investigation shakes the Hampden tree to such an extent that a new governing body emerges for the good of all Scottish football. That is the bigger picture in my eyes. Before Ogilvie & Co depart, it would be gratifying to see the 5-Way Agreement finally reach the public domain.
scapaflow says:
November 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm
.Until we know the whole unvarnished truth, however unpleasant, there is no prospect of rebuilding trust in the authorities. Itās also the only way, that Rangerās fans are going to be able to move on.’
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I agree entirely that we need the Football Authorities to come clean ( although, perhaps, their wrong-doing probably does not involve criminal activity), about the 5-way agreement and the drivers behind it.
I would also like certain BBC Radio Scotland executives questioned about their editorial policy relating to coverage of the saga in its early days.
But I think we are getting somewhere. And I think we may yet see SDM being asked to answer some questions. The saga has more legs than an Octopus.
Absolutely correct, we need a thorough cleaning & cleansing of the Augean Stables. We need a Stalinist purge of all the apparatchiks & party functionaries who kept the truth silent, while hiding their own conspiratorial lies & deeds.
I don’t need to name them, we all know who I mean?
John Clark says:
November 15, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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John, the only parallel that I can think of is when the Nazi’s stole art works before and during WWII, those works were subsequently sold on and where these have been found to have been stolen, the Courts have made efforts to return the assets to the original owner.
Given the liquidation process, could we see assets being returned to BDO?
JC @ 3.46
Pedantic moment.
Does an Octopus have legs?
I always imagined them as having arms.
Mibees you could fire off one of your famous emails to David Attenborough. He’d know.
I have no idea what the legal implications will be.
Are damages being sought against whoever assisted the Takeover on the basis that RFC would not have gone into liquidation if CW had not been at the reins?
If so do they get reinstated by settling known debts less the BTC that is still in dispute?
Or is the argument that without new income sources and no intention of cutting back on player wages they could have carried on shafting the other clubs as they had been since SDM took them over. A course that would have resulted in liquidation as soon as CL money ceased?
Imponderables especially since the original deceit has been piled on by the deceit to minimise what had gone on before in some cases with same participant.
The legalities will run their course but inline with the main blog what would be good for everyone would be an act of admission, contrition and the penance of being a new club starting at the bottom with modern traditions that was prepared to play fair under a governance system competent in all respects to see that happens.
If ever honesty and ethics had an opportunity to mount the throne of acceptable behaviour it is now.
However for that to happen all men of honest ethics need to make it clear to authority, civil and football, that there is no other option.
Are there enough is the question?
mungoboy says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:12 pm
JC @ 3.46
Pedantic moment.
Does an Octopus have legs?
I always imagined them as having arms.
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A pedant replies….they’re tentacles I believe…although the use of the expression “more arms than an octopus” is acceptable when coupled with the words “Lee McCulloch” š
Cygnus X-1 says:
November 15, 2014 at 3:48 pm
..we need a thorough cleaning & cleansing of the Augean Stables.
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Yes we do. I’m willing to redirect the River Clyde. Any helpers? š
jean7brodie says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Best just to tow the lot to “The Hole” off Greenock, and scuttle it š
Jean7Brodie says
November 15 2014. @ 4.30 pm
Jean I know my moniker is oddjob, but I’m afraid such a Herculean task is a bit much !
Auldheid says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm
The trouble is, that with one or two exceptions, you are asking exactly the same people to revise/investigate/repair the decisions THEY made. Aint going to happen.
To renew these organisations, the current occupants need to be removed.
There are of course the ‘Known Knowns’of which there are few. But I believe that this whole case will be down to the at present ‘Unknown Unknowns’ Once these are made clear we will all have a better idea of who did what and to whom. All too much for me to interpretate so I will continue to read furiously to enlighten myself and await the snippets of information should this proceed through the legal system.
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November 15, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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Auldheid says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm
The trouble is, that with one or two exceptions, you are asking exactly the same people to revise/investigate/repair the decisions THEY made. Aint going to happen.
To renew these organisations, the current occupants need to be removed.
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Absolutely, but the Clubs can do that. So they must be pressured and getting the story out there will help supporters decide what kind of game they wish to support.
scapaflow says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:41 pm
oddjob says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:44 pm
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Aw come on guys we can do it!!!! The Calder would come in handy too š
TSFM
Been advised any mention of the arrested might cause problems so can you remove my post mentioning them even although its not about the Takeover itself but subsequent behaviour.
I presume the 4 accused will appear in Glasgow Sheriff court on Monday, but can this be verified before I start thinking of travelling through? Have we a criminal lawyer in our midst who can let us know exactly what the procedure will be?
It could be quite an historic occasion, even if it is just a five-minute formal reading of charges and ‘how do you plead?’ affair.
And if ‘not guilty’ pleas are entered, will bail be opposed or automatically granted, or will the accused [ how do you tell the accused? The wans wearin’ suits!ha, ha. No jokes like the old jokes] be remanded in custody?
A useful guide:
http://www.channel4.com/producers-handbook/media-law/contempt-and-reporting-legal-proceedings/contempt-or-sub-judice-rules
Auldheid says:
November 15, 2014 at 5:04 pm
Too true, the key drivers for change need to be the clubs. All we can do, is “encourage” them to see the light
John Clark says:
November 15, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Phil has blogged on the problem
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/live-proceedings/
I think the bampot epithet has been reclaimed and is now worn as a badge of honour rather than being seen as a term of denigration. Many cultures annex such initially insulting terminology as a relic of their pride and self justification.
The sub judice issue does add complications. The TSFM archive is littered with documents and comment that might be material to the current police investigations. Self censorship may be difficult to maintain since much of our considerations have been speculative. It is analogous to the scientific method where hypotheses are set up and discussed to determine their merits. The last comment I posted up had other slants that could be considered and I was grateful for HP for pointing this out subsequently. None of us is in possession of the truth but as a community we appear to be able to approximate the real circumstances, given enough evidence and discussion.
So we might be in a bit of a bind. Up till now there has been no-one in officialdom it would seem who might share our concerns. Now that legal action is in play we are invited to tone down our enthusiasm just at the point where our interest has been uniquely piqued.
Few of us is likely to have the legal nous to discriminate between potentially damaging conjecture and fair comment. We may be so far ahead of the curve that drawing ourselves back into ignorance is the equivalent of reincarnating a belief in Santa Claus. Not an easy mindset to reliably sustain. I suspect the mods may have to let off a few warning shots here and there but again, the mods legal insight could not be expected to be omnipotent. The genuine attempt to maintain decorum may be sufficient to prevent speculation straying way off course.
Of course any legal proceedings will provide solid material that can be considered. Any information disseminated in a public court I’d imagine would be open for consideration and fair comment. Perhaps we just need to reign in our enthusiasm for a wee while. It has proven to be a remarkably well disciplined forum up till now so there is every prospect that we can hold our fire until our quarry comes into range.
As Billy Boyce says above, perhaps the detention of a man a few weeks ago in relation to a fraud investigation was the securing of the ‘Charlotte’ materials as evidence. Pure conjecture at this stage but I have a feeling that the CF revelations may be something we have to step around carefully.
Other than suspending the blog for a few months I’m not sure how we can avoid not stepping on a few toes however inadvertently.
John Clark says:
November 15, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Court Rolls for all Scottish courts are updated each working day and can be found under ‘Current Business’ on the attached link.
Given the timing of yesterdays events there is no info available for now.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/home
Auldheid,
A comment on After the Deluge.
auldheid @ 16.52
I had been considering that same point this morning.
When God got scunnered with the carry on of those he put in charge, he decided to wipe them out.
He pondered between Fire, Disease and Flood, not Willo.
He chose the latter as he reckoned it would be the handiest and would also give the place a good clean.
He instructed an honourable man, Noah, which was an Old Testament form of Peter, to build him an Ark and crew it with those of a righteous nature, who would be entrusted to correct the evils of the past.
Who will sign on to this crew?
Cygnus X-1 says:
November 15, 2014 at 3:48 pm
We do know who they are, but, it is necessary to remind ourselves, that certainly among the top flight clubs, there are (probably) no clean hands, in order to prevent unhelpful myths taking root.
A bit of an aside, but hopefully important nonetheless.
Have any moves been made to secure Paul McConville’s website? I would hate to think that, in lieu of a few pounds worth of annual payment, that the content therein could be lost.
scapaflow says:
November 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Phil has blogged on the problem
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/live-proceedings/
So that`s how it works. Ok, we`d better not comment on that we can`t mention.
Back at ranch – where were we before being interrupted
Llambias & Stockcash at discrete venue seen by the media (suppose we can comment on that)
What was that about, clearing up financial issues?
Or to persuade Charles with the Horses in France about some IP thing he might know about
Maybe that`s holding up the works
mtp
scapaflow says:
November 15, 2014 at 7:30 pm
I think there are those in the game, whose behaviour I would describe, as corrupt & they would be at the top of the SFA,SPL(as previous) & SFL(as previous).
Perhaps not in a criminal sense(yet), but certainly unprincipled, amoral, shameful & guilty of underhand & scandalous actions & behaviour.
With regard to Directors at the top clubs,I’d say on balance, they were more feeble & spineless, lacking any vision & foresight rather than corrupt. Although,I am willing to be proved wrong on this & may yet be in due course š
@John Clark
You have PM
Cygnus X-1 says:
November 15, 2014 at 7:48 pm
Understand your argument, and you may be correct, but for me
1 Look at who sat/(sits) on the boards
2 The bonuses and pay rises for the Senior Execs are fairly damning
We shall see one way or another, (hopefully)
Nothing like fiddling about trying to educate oneself! What do I know about Fraud in Scotland? A little bit more than I did five minutes ago!
https://www.fraudadvisorypanel.org/pdf_show_225.pdf
I continue to pursue my researches.
Incisive blog as always.
The crux of this matter is not what has, or has not, gone on at a particular club but the governance, or more importantly the lack of it, that has allowed an unacceptable sporting state of affairs to continue unabated for well over a decade now.
This is the major problem for all of us.
We are all aware that money has obliterated football from the sport it was twenty five years ago. Clubs chase rainbows only to fall into chasms of despair.
People in authority in sporting governance should not care about money but the enrichment of the sport itself. They should safeguard that there is sustainable business models for all, big and small, ensuring that no club over reaches itself financially. With the number of clubs in Scotland that have went into Administration in the last fifteen years this is clearly an area that needs urgent attention.
Every club is dependent on each other because no club can play in a league on its own however there MUST also be respect for the competitions and opposition clubs. This has been lacking for far too long.
For too long an inner circle within the SFA has been allowed to run our sport with dubious morals but the major question from me, as a fan who can plainly see that things are wrong, is why can the clubs themselves not see this or if they can why have they done nothing about it.
This as much as anything else undermines fan confidence up and down the country as it portrays a vision that all is well when clearly it is not. With the exception of Turnbull Hutton not one Chairman has asked questions concerning the competence at the heart of our game.
Fans are drifting away not because there is no competition but because the clubs themselves clearly do not care for the reputation of the business they are in.
This must change!
Johnnymanc.
Excellent analogy. Can I use it?
Yet another tongue twisting attempt by the BBC to sing from the Rangers Franchise hymnsheet. They actually mention the L word this time, but in a bizarre series of paragraphs that defy logic.
The article also has some pearls of wisdom from resident on/off finance expert Alistair McCoist, as well as naming the now arrested parties.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30053692
“HMRC subsequently rejected a creditors agreement which would have allowed Rangers to exit administration.
That resulted in Charles Green’s consortium taking control and Rangers being accepted to play in the Scottish Third Division.
The administration and subsequent liquidation of Rangers resulted in Mr Whyte’s deal with Ticketus being declared void.” š š š
johnnymanc says:
November 15, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Iāve noticed that some of our Friends of Govan are using the arrests as proof that they are the victimsā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
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Supporters didn`t create this financial mess, nor have they lined their pockets with millions
Instead they get fed PR bilge, given no transparency, plus the SFA is more interested in their own backsides.
All supporters are being let down badly by those paid handsomely for their `mission statements`
If this were the other way round, as it was pre Fergus, not sure your view would be supported
mtp
ecobhoy says:
November 15, 2014 at 7:52 pm
‘@John Clark
You have PM’
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Acknowledged, thanks.
An Auditor examines the books of a company at the half year and concludes that the company must have an injection of Ā£3m cash or it will be insolvent in less than a month. In these circumstances there is no prospect of the accounts being signed off by the Auditors
He advises the FD and CEO that unqualified approval of the accounts will require an injection of Ā£16m in cash. Even a qualified approval will need an injection of Ā£3m and solid evidence of a further Ā£13m injection shortly afterwards
The FD resigns and shortly afterwards the Board borrow Ā£2m against assets. The CEO resigns immediately leaving the Chairman to deal with the Auditors
The Chairman informs the Auditors that a Ā£2m loan has been secured against assets. He request the Auditors to sign off the accounts saying the Board will accept any qualifications that the Auditor deem appropriate apart from a statement that the company is trading while insolvent
The Auditor responds by saying that the immediate issue is not signing off the accounts but trading while insolvent. This requires Ā£3m not Ā£2m imminently to avoid Directors committing a criminal offence under company law.
The Auditors reiterate that they will not sign off the accounts unless they see evidence of a non-returnable cash injection sufficient to see the Co through to the end of the financial year
The Chairman returns to the Auditors with news that a further loan of Ā£1m has been obtained and again asks for the Accounts to be signed off
The Auditor repeats his previous Statement
Stalemate has been reached
The Auditors will not approve the accounts without a non-returnable cash injection sufficient to see the Co through to the end of the financial year
The Auditors can`t be fired without resolving the Trading while Insolvent issue
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Is this where we are at the minute?
If so
Then the next step is likely to be:
The Chairman advises the Auditor that a Prepack Administration is being prepared for implementation as soon as possible. The Administrator will be selected by the person who loaned Ā£3m.
GoosyGoosy says:
November 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm
Goosy – Suspect MA needs all the chess pieces in place before next stage
Stables in Normandy person maybe not playing ball
Standoff as the clock is ticking
Hope they all get what they deserve (hope thatās not going to upset the `Solemn` Courts)
mtp
It is my belief that those people supposedly installed as custodians of Scottish Football,are part of a cartel.I have said before on this site, that the only way to beat a cartel, is not to buy it’s product. I know that in doing so it would be painful for thousands of decent supporters, but in the long run, it might be worth it.
FOOTBALL WITHOUT FANS IS NOTHING.
JOCK STEIN.
Believe it and hammer it into the heads of the cartel.
GoosyGoosy says:
November 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm
Surely the issue here is not the financial year end but the season end?
The only way the club can generate cash is by selling assets and that only happen in the month of January but they only have two assets that anybody is interested in.
This way the auditors must be looking to ensure that money is there until the next tranche of season ticket money comes in. The whole Ā£16M.
Obviously a viable business plan would also be helpful but they are as scarce as rocking horse droppings down Govan way!
Going out on a limb here
Don`t expect Accounts or an AGM as a given
mtp
Ah well say what you like about the SFA they’re rank amateurs compared to this mob…
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/15/said-and-done-fifa-report-special
And as I like a good hearty breakfast myself I felt I should highlight this Russian gentleman’s effort in particular…
“9) Russiaās Vitaly Mutko, who attacked the English press ahead of the vote for āportraying Russia as a hotbed of corruptionā, days before a Russian federal audit chamber report found he had claimed expenses for 97 breakfasts eaten during a 20-day trip to Vancouver.”
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parttimearab says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:03 pm
I have every faith, that given the chance, and the appropriate CPD, Campbell would demonstrate that he has the skills & talent to compete at the FIFA level
justshatered says:
GoosyGoosy says:
November 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm
Surely the issue here is not the financial year end but the season end?
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Goosy and Justshattered…the going concern criteria to be employed by the auditor must cover the period of twelve months following the date of the signing of the audit report, not just to the end of the current season.
The directors, who have a collective legal responsibility to produce the company’s accounts and lay them before the shareholders at an agm, must satisfy the auditor, that there will be sufficient funds from whatever source, trading or investment, to allow the company to continue to trade for the next twelve months.
I think from where we are all sitting, that these two actions are presently mutually exclusive…therefore we have stalemate.
parttimearab says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:03 pm
“.. I felt I should highlight this Russian gentlemanās effort in particularā¦
ā9) Russiaās Vitaly Mutko, who attacked the English press ahead of the vote for āportraying Russia as a hotbed of corruptionā, days before a Russian federal audit chamber report found he had claimed expenses for 97 breakfasts eaten during a 20-day trip to Vancouver.ā’
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A great link,pta.
And I would like to kick Sepp’s arse for not making a distinction between the SMSM and the English press, when he complained āThe British press have always been very critical. It didnāt start with me – itās been like this a long time. They have a sort of stubbornness.ā
Would that the SMSM had had a stubborn streak in pursuing the truth behind a local football story!
scapaflow says:
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Scapa…you have PM
twopanda says:
November 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm
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scapaflow says:
November 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Phil has blogged on the problem
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/live-proceedings/
So that`s how it works. Ok, we`d better not comment on that we can`t mention.
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I was speaking to a legal buddy-in criminal practice in Scotland-and he said that it was quite common now for defence lawyers to look for adverse and prejudicial comments about their clients on social media.
This was especially true of Solemn Procedure (with a jury).
If you can argue that your client cannot get a fair trial then you’re ahead of the game.
I am told that this argument was attempted the lawyers representing Brooks and Coulson in the Hacking Trial (in England).
So tread carefully guys.
We have much more leeway on these matters here in Ireland.
Scotland is especially strict on this.
Scottish Football Needs a strong Contempt of Court Act.
There was speculation on social media this evening that the 4 persons arrested in regard to the sale of Rangers in 2011 maybe being held at Helen Street Police Station, Govan, Glasgow.
According to the wikipedia entry for Govan Police station, the Scottish major crime unit are stationed there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Street_police_station
Coincidence?
sunday herald ā@newsundayherald
Rangers police probe events after Green took over at club – in tomorrow’s paper
Hardly a surprise! š
essexbeancounter says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm
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mungoboy says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:12 pm
‘.Pedantic moment.
Does an Octopus have legs?’
parttimearab says:
November 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm
‘…theyāre tentacles I believe.’
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I think we’re all about half right! I can feel the smack of my Greek master’s ruler on the back of my heid:”‘pous’, you stupid boy, is ‘foot’ not ‘leg’!Eight feet, not eight legs!”
But,quiet night, I was reading a menu in a restaurant in Puglia a couple of days ago. And discovered that what I was about to order was octopus. I had no idea that the Italian word for octopus is ‘polpo’- I thought polpo would be some kind of tomato pulp or some such! Happily the chef ( yes, the chef himself) had enough English to tell me what it actually meant.
But ‘polpo’ as a word for ‘octopus’? š
essexbeancounter says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm
perhaps not for much longer š
http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/2305578/frc-updates-going-concern-definition
billyj1 says:
November 15, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Johnnymanc.
Excellent analogy. Can I use it?
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Thanks Billy and of course, with pleasure. Living in englandshire it’s easy to resist the temptation to listen to clyde et al but I get the gist of their desperation from brave listeners comments on here.
Their agenda is so obvious that I think we’d all have more ‘respect’ if they just came out and said they wanted a Rangers in the top division for financial reasons and their own job security and that there was no moral or sporting reason why they ought to be given a helping hand…..but that would be honesty and they’re severely lacking in that department.
Is it a world record that the smsm have not been talking about world crowd records for over a year?
JC,
John, I thought the Greek word for foot was ‘podos’ but then again Latin was my bag.
As for your ‘polpo’ in Italia, in Spain it is ‘pulpo’.
Either way, not something I would rush to have on the menu.
Besides, isn’t Octopus linked with Ticketus and God knows how many tentacles they have!
PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:51 pm
‘..and he said that it was quite common now for defence lawyers to look for adverse and prejudicial comments about their clients on social media.’
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I don’t doubt it.
I also don’t doubt that savvy criminals with money to spend will make damn sure that tweets and blog posts are posted deliberately to give their defence lawyers some ‘adverse and prejudicial comment’ ammunition to work on.(God forbid that any defence lawyer might suggest such a tactic! But, of course, and sadly, there are some few instances of lawyers being crooked, although, to be fair, I can’t BEGIN to think of any, off-hand. Perhaps the odd pornographer, or the occasional company secretary , some sort of low life anyway, disgraces to their profession)
But it is quite, quite right that we heed the dictates of natural justice and refrain from commenting on matters before the criminal courts.
I call to mind the absolute insistence of Cicero ( and every decent lawyer since) that accusation of a crime is not proof!
And it behoves us to be circumspect in what we say and how we say it.
I think we may have missed this one from Roddy F on Thursday (would someone else please check the Telegraph now and then – I’m a Guardian reader, honest š³ ) in which he suggests that the SFA is running out of patience with Rangers wrt Ashley’s status and indeed even gives a sort of date for said patience running out…
“The SFA, to satisfy its governance procedures, is unlikely to take no answer for an answer beyond the end of next week.”
I know this seems rather unlikely but thought I should pass it on….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/11230255/Mike-Ashley-awaits-his-red-letter-day-at-Rangers.html
John Clark says:
November 15, 2014 at 11:43 pm
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But it is quite, quite right that we heed the dictates of natural justice and refrain from commenting on matters before the criminal courts.
I call to mind the absolute insistence of Cicero ( and every decent lawyer since) that accusation of a crime is not proof!
And it behoves us to be circumspect in what we say and how we say it.
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Quite so the presumption of innocence is non-negotiable.
That is why these reporting restrictions are in place-it is the sad school of experience.
mungoboy says:
November 15, 2014 at 11:42 pm
‘. I thought the Greek word for foot was āpodosā ‘
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Nominative ‘pous’, genitive ‘podos’. Go to the top of the class!
parttimearab says:
November 15, 2014 at 11:43 pm
I think we may have missed this one from Roddy F on Thursday (would someone else please check the Telegraph now and then ā Iām a Guardian reader, honest š³ )
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…so you are the other reader then…? š
Ladies and Gentlemen. We have a major legal problem now.
About a 9 months ago James from the Drum and myself sat in a HighCourt in England and listned to a plaintiff explaining that viz a viz Charlotte Ʊo Scots police enquiries were ongoing or were finished, ergo Charlotte was open to all.
Now did the plaintiff lie or did Police Scotland ?
This is a major dillema if a police force mislead a albeit English judge.
Stushie awaits methinks.
parttimearab says:
November 15, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Ah well say what you like about the SFA theyāre rank amateurs compared to this mobā¦
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/15/said-and-done-fifa-report-special
And as I like a good hearty breakfast myself I felt I should highlight this Russian gentlemanās effort in particularā¦
ā9) Russiaās Vitaly Mutko, who attacked the English press ahead of the vote for āportraying Russia as a hotbed of corruptionā, days before a Russian federal audit chamber report found he had claimed expenses for 97 breakfasts eaten during a 20-day trip to Vancouver.ā
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How does the cost of 97 breakfasts compare to to SFA president’s budget for one good night out? Thing may get a loss worse in a few years time, if CO gets the FIFA gig.
As I’m currently here I equate 97 breakfasts to roughly 22 languid lunches languid includes wine in 5 of glescas recommended eateries.
As I was at last Fridays game can I just comment that the organisation around CP was a shambles. I’d. Be v interested if the usual staff had been replaced by temp staff?
Will BDO v COLLYERS ANS
BE SUPERSEDED BY A Scottish COURT AND IS YON A precedent?
LEGALS?
REMEMBER ITS SCHEDULED ALREADY BY THE PREVIOUS court._
Sorry caps hell none the less. I see some judge on judge action arising. Be instructive to see if the so called learned friends are actually.
scapaflow at 5:34pm
Too true, the key drivers for change need to be the clubs. All we can do, is āencourageā them to see the light
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Do Scottish football fans want change at the top of their game? Then hit them where it hurts.Fans staying away from the England game would be a start,then boycott subsequent Euro Champs and other friendlies.Lets see how the Bampots at Hampden react if their customers stay at home.If not,it’s as you were and Hell mend us.
Good morning. Enjoyable reading this morning. Nothing quite like a legal matter to spring the highly educated and informative minds of this forum into action. As TSFM has warned though, the legal process must be respected.
None of the above is relevant to the here and now though. TRFC continue to shed money at an alarming monthly rate. There are no signed off accounts and there is no AGM. Clearly there is no sugar daddy in the building either. The bottom line is though that a properly run TRFC that lives within its means will be more beneficial to Scottish football than what we have witnessed since 1986. They will just have to take their chances of success along with every other club. It would help if they had a manager who stopped going on about where they ‘belong’. Only my view, but I suspect that might be the case sooner rather than later.
Once the heat is turned up in court, self preservation mode will be engaged by those whose collars have been felt, there will be some lawyers being consulted this week I am sure.
BDO will be issuing there latest report soon, the temperature in the frying pan is building, some logs are required for the fire.
Might very well be a very merry Christmas.
Just a thought. If a court case develops from current arrests might there be a clear statement from those proceedings which puts the same club stance to bed forever?
John Clark says:
November 15, 2014 at 11:57 pm
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mungoboy says:
November 15, 2014 at 11:42 pm
ā. I thought the Greek word for foot was āpodosā ā
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Nominative āpousā, genitive āpodosā. Go to the top of the class!
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Fair to say that this story has grown arms and legs ā and all for the sake of people trying to make a few squid. It’s bubbling away under the surface now ā the octupus, of course.
I’m led to believe it’s 6 arms and 2 legs on the aquatic beasties.
So, Germany might quit FIFA. Nice one.
Apropos Roddy, some good stuff this week.
Such brazen use of the ‘S’ word.