A spectre is haunting Scottish Football

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A spectre is haunting Scottish Football

From the TSFM Manifesto 🙂

A spectre is haunting Scottish Football — the spectre of Sporting Integrity. All the powers of the old firms have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Billy and Dan, Blazer and Cassock, Record and Sun, Balance Sheet and P&L.
Where is the football fan in opposition to these that has not been decried as a “sporting integrity bampot” by his opponents in power?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Sporting Integrity is already widely acknowledged to be itself a power for good.

II. It is high time that Lovers of Sport should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Sporting Integrity with a manifesto of fair play.

To this end, Lovers of Sport of various partisanship have assembled on TSFM and sketched their manifesto, to be published on tsfm.scot.

Those who love sport though are challenged not just by the taunts of the monosyllabic automatons in the MSM, but by the owners of our football clubs who have displayed an almost total disregard to our wish to have a fair competition played out in the spirit of friendly rivalry. In fact the clubs, who speak those fine words, are not nearly as outraged as we are by the damage done to the integrity of the sport in the past few years .

In fact the term Sporting Integrity has become, since the latter stages of the Rangers era, a term of abuse; a mocking soubriquet attached to those who want sport to be just that – sport.

Sporting integrity now lives in the same media pigeon-hole as words like Islam, left-wing, militant, Muslim – and a host of others; words which are threats to the established order now set up as in-jokes, in order to reduce the effectiveness of the idea.

In fact, a new terminology has evolved in the reporting of football by both club officials and The Succulent Lamb Chapel alike;

“.. Sporting Integrity but …”.

For example

“We all want sporting integrity, but finance is more important”

Says who exactly?

Stated in such a matter of fact way that the obvious question is headed off at the pass, it is sometimes difficult to re-frame the discussion – perhaps because crayon is so hard to erase?

This is the backdrop to The Scottish Football Monitor and the world in which we live. Often the levels of scrutiny employed by our contributors are far in excess of any scrutiny employed by the MSM. Indeed our ideas and theories are regularly plagiarised by those very same lazy journalists who lurk here, and cherry-pick material to suit their own agendas; regularly claiming exclusives for stories that TSFM and RTC before us had placed in the public domain weeks earlier.

This was going to lead into a discourse about the love of money versus the love of sport – of how the sacred cows of acquisitiveness, gate- retention and turnstile spinning is far more important to the heads of our football clubs (the Billys, Dans and Blazers of the intro) than maintaining the traditions of our sport.

However events of Friday 14th November have given me cause to leave that for another day. The biggest squirrel of all in this sorry saga has always been the sleight of hand employed instil a siege mentality in the Rangers fans. The press have time and again assisted people (with no love of football in general or Rangers in particular) to enrich themselves – legally or otherwise – and feed on the loyalty of Rangers fans.

A matter for Rangers fans may also be the identity of some of those who had their trust, but who also assisted the Whytes and Greens by their public statements of support.

Our contention has been that rules have been bent twisted or broken to accommodate those people, the real enemies of the Rangers fans – and fans everywhere.

Through our collective research and group-analysis of events, we have also wondered out loud about the legality of many aspects of the operating style of some of the main players in the affair. That suspicion has been shared most notably by Mark Daly and Alex Thompson, but crucially now appears to be shared by Law Enforcement.

I confess I am fed up with the self-styled “bampot” epithet. For the avoidance of doubt, the “bampots” in this affair are those who have greater resources than us, and access to the truth, but who have lacked either the will or the courage or the imagination to follow it through.

We are anything but bampots. Rather, we have demonstrated that the wisdom of the crowd is more effective by far than any remnants of wisdom in the press.

I have no doubt that the police investigation into this matter is proceeding in spite of great opposition in the MSM and the Scottish Football Authorities – all of whom conspired to expose Rangers to the custodianship of those for whom football is a foreign language.

I have no doubt that the constant exposition of wrong-doing on this blog, in particular the questions we have constantly raised, and anomalies we have pointed out, has assisted and enabled the law enforcement agencies in this process.

If we are to be consistent in this, our enabling of the authorities, we MUST show restraint at all times as this process is followed through. People who are charged with a crime deserve to be given a fair trial in the absence of rumour or innuendo. We must also, if we are to continue as the spectre which haunts the avaricious – and the real bampots – be seen to be better than they, and give them no cause to accuse us of irresponsibility.

This affair has now evolved way beyond one club gaining unfair advantage over others. For all the understandable Schadenfreude of many among us, the real enemy is not Rangers, it is about those who enabled and continue to enable the farce at Ibrox.

This is now about systematic cheating at the heart of the Scottish game (in the name of cash and in spite of lip service to sporting integrity), and how the greed of a bunch of ethically challenged officials allowed another group of ethically challenged businessmen free rein to enrich themselves at the expense of the fans.

Whether laws were broken or not, the players at Rangers have come and gone and are variables, but the malignant constant at the SFA and SPFL are still there. Last night, even after the news that four men had been arrested in connection with the takeover at Ibrox in 2011, they were gathered together at Celtic Park with their Irish counterparts, tucking into succulent lamb (perhaps) and fine wines, doing some back slapping, making jokes about the vulgarities of their fans, bragging about the ST money they have banked.

The revolution won’t be over until they are gone, and if they remain, it is Scottish Football that will be over.

 

 

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Danish PastryPosted on10:56 pm - Dec 6, 2014


ianagain says:
December 6, 2014 at 9:53 pm
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The Well BOIS do have a St Andrews cross in the Well colours …
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That makes more sense. The horizontal slogan maybe fooled me into thinking it was a UJ. And someone had tweeted an image of a couple of lads at the Hearts game last week waving UJs, I maybe just added 2+2 and got 5. I’d ban all national flags at matches apart from Saltire variations. Too contentious. Can you imagine a drone wae a naughty flag at the upcoming dinosaur derby? Help ma boab! Next stop Serbia.

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RyanGoslingPosted on11:26 pm - Dec 6, 2014


John Clark,

The thing is, and I don’t know the man so this is just conjecture, he probably looks at it as he “left” the club when they were Scottish champions and in Champions League qualifiers, so probably takes no responsibility for the following mess at all, despite it being overwhelmingly his fault.

Danish Pastry,

Not to open a hideous can of worms, but as Scotland is part of the UK there is no reason that a Union flag should be out of place at a ground in Scotland any more than a Saltire. If you think all flags should be banned then fair enough, but I don’t see how you can say a Saltire should be allowed but a Union flag shouldn’t.

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ianagainPosted on11:45 pm - Dec 6, 2014


All I was saying Ryan in my old days even then the Well had its own flags and having Rangers fans who lived in Motherwell turning up in our ground with their banners drove us nuts. It made us look like a Gers territory that could b occupied if you like.
And we were not.

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John ClarkPosted on11:47 pm - Dec 6, 2014


The Barry boy has come and gone.
The SPFL Board seem to have been particularly savaged by him.
Almost as if, in Barry’s view, THEIR deficiencies in the fields of marketing,of providing good customer experience, of seriously tapping in to what is still a huge actual and potential customer base, were all that was holding Scottish Football back.
These criticisms of the SPFL seem to be fairly valid, fairly obvious, and might produce some deep business soul-searching and concerted action.

However, I have thus far read nothing about what Barry had to say, if anything ( and as a boxing, darts, snooker promoter he might very well have quite a lot to say!) about the fundamental, absolutely fundamental, requirement that any sporting Competition, whether professional or amateur, has to be seen to be ‘clean’.

I may, of course,have missed such trenchant, comprehensive reports that our SMSM hacks may have written, touching on the widespread belief that the SFA was the prime mover in the act that destroyed any real belief many of us had that it actually understood the meaning of the words ‘Sporting Integrity’.
Were any words said by Barry, or reported by the SMSM, directed at the problem of cheating ( not by players, or managers) but by Club owners and by the Governing body of the Sport which colludes in such sports cheating? And the damage that such cheating causes?
A ‘business’ failure such as not finding a sponsor ,or not selling decent pies or skoosh/ginger [with or without gastropodical(?) ingredients] is perhaps a sign that you are not a successful businessman.
Destroying the integrity of a sport ,covering up that destruction, and further compounding the destruction by secret deals struck with a cheating club is a sign of, what?-nothing other than rank, rotten corruption that all the ‘Conventions’ in the world will not disguise or wash away.
there’s an old saying about a house built on sand. A sports organisation built on deceit is in pretty much the same parlous state. It will collapse.
Root out the rottenness, and build on more solid foundations of truth and integrity.
If the Barry boy had said something like that……

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RyanGoslingPosted on12:07 am - Dec 7, 2014


Fair enough Ianagain. I’m probably a little different from some here in that as a Rangers fan I’ve never been annoyed by seeing the Union flag flown at matches in a partisan sense, and therefore don’t really see it as being a flag that Rangers or their fans can make any claim to any more than any other club or their fans. Perhaps it has different connotations in the Glasgoe goldfish bowl and perhaps I subconciously, or even consciously, choose to ignore that. Either way, the majority of Scotland recently decided that it was our national flag so that is the context in which I made my point initially. To carry on from Danish’s point, I guess the logical thing would be to ban all national flags, as even Danish’s perfectly reasonable point has led to, a very polite, argument. The west of Scotland has some very interesting and bizarre customs and tribalisms.

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John ClarkPosted on12:18 am - Dec 7, 2014


RyanGosling says:
December 6, 2014 at 11:26 pm
‘John Clark,
The thing is, and I don’t know the man so this is just conjecture, he probably looks at it as he “left” the club when they were Scottish champions and in Champions League qualifiers, so probably takes no responsibility for the following mess at all, despite it being overwhelmingly his fault.’
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You’re right, of course.
SDM would not, ever, admit that he was guilty of legal wrongdoing vis-a-vis the BTC matter( nor should he, given that the further appeal has still to be heard. Fair dos.)
Still less would he admit to concealing from the Football Authorities the actual amounts he was paying to his players ( and to a fellow director as well). Indeed, he said that information on those ebts was included in the club’s annual statement of accounts.
LNS ( although ‘handicapped’ by the selective nature of the evidence put forward) took a different view.
And SDM’s bleatings about THAT actual cheating are not worth a curdy, and it was that cheating, not the possible tax cheating, that make him the really guilty clubocide., to coin a phrase.
He has undoubtedly been extremely grateful that the tax business and CW’s involvement has been the main focus in the SMSM,allowing him to remain relatively ‘innocent’. And, perhaps, able to claim ‘credit’ for a [wholly unmerited]’successful’ period in RFC’s history.

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tearsofjoyPosted on12:19 am - Dec 7, 2014


As you say, not to open a can of worms.
There is no reason to ban Union flags but you have to ask yourself why anyone would actually want to take one to a Scottish domestic game.

In fact a now that I’m in my 50s and a long way from Scotland I understand why people would take a Union flag to a Scottish league game.

I remember a “conversation” with my late dad from circa 40 years ago when I thought I’d follow the English example of getting a UJ emblazoned with HMFC. My late dad took one look at it and told me in very industrial language that I would NOT be taking it to any games and to get rid of it. When I asked him why , he screamed at me ” because we are not Rangers”. I finally know now what he meant.

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ianagainPosted on12:19 am - Dec 7, 2014


Ryan

RE WOS
It certainly does and could well do without most if not all of them.
Bar the the laughs ay?

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ianagainPosted on12:39 am - Dec 7, 2014


Anyhoo Aff to bed.

Have a good one all on here.

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ianagainPosted on12:40 am - Dec 7, 2014


And keep the mouldmaster stories for another day. Danish is watching.

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Peter22Posted on12:56 am - Dec 7, 2014


Ryan, must agree with your original stance,no national flag should be banned from Scottish football stadiums . Some of the people who carry them,now, that is another matter.

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davythelotionPosted on12:58 am - Dec 7, 2014


A number of factors combine & conspire to influence the number of paying customers at Scottish football games, in no particular order:
Kick off was Saturday at 3:00pm, work stopped at 12:00, pubs closed at 2:00 and didn’t open again ’til 6:00pm.
Social media didn’t exist
Phone ins were an eighties phenomenon
Carry outs were consumed in the grounds
Football was not routinely shown on live television.
Radio coverage was only announced ten minutes before the game.
Season tickets reflected an understanding of weekly income
Player’s wages were realistic
Running costs were based on treating people like animals
Football, as spectator, was a man’s game, women were unwelcome
Behaviour that’s now illegal; sectarianism, racism, sexism, was condoned by both cubs and media
There was little else to do on Saturday afternoon
Children aspired to follow in their fathers’ footsteps

There is no desire on my part to return to ‘the good old days’ football has benefitted from being a more equal and responsive sport. If only administrators and press would understand that society has moved on.

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John ClarkPosted on1:30 am - Dec 7, 2014


davythelotion says:
December 7, 2014 at 12:58 am
‘..Phone ins were an eighties phenomenon..’
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“Were you at the game, caller?” was Sanderson’s cry on Radio Clyde in the early 1970s, davytl. I remember it well.And Frank Skerret (?) took calls about legal matters. Those were the days when the CGs of the radio world realised they could make money at virtually no production expense by giving joe bloggs, or ‘AaaNDREW’ phone-in callers a couple of quasi-controversial minutes on air.
Which led to the mindless garbage the BBC now inflicts on us. Fred. Morning Call.
Cheap (in every sense of the word) radio, mindless ( however sincere) wittering on important subjects.
And mindless, up their own sphincters, presenters who chat to each other like wee precious west-enders living in their wee cosy, artificial numptie world.
I do despair of Radio ‘Scotland’. It’s been turned into a wee, colonial outpost of second-hand ‘metropolitan celebrity’ cultural crap.
In my opinion.
And its ‘Sportsound’ programme allows idiots like Chick to continue in employment defending the indefensible.

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redlichtiePosted on2:24 am - Dec 7, 2014


Davylotion

…Behaviour that is now illegal; sectarianism, racism, sexism was condoned by both cubs and media…
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Hud oan there Davy, yur bein’ a bit harsh on the cubs. The brownies though are anither matter entirely…jist the name alone….no PC it a’.

Scottish Football needs a continuingly strong Arbroath.

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Danish PastryPosted on7:52 am - Dec 7, 2014


ianagain says:
December 7, 2014 at 12:40 am
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And keep the mouldmaster stories for another day. Danish is watching.
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Naw a wisnae, aff tae ma scratcher so a wiz! Up wae the larks annaw.

I enjoy the ‘Mouldmaster Memories’, always gets folks in a cheerier mood 🙂

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SmugasPosted on8:11 am - Dec 7, 2014


Lovely moment yesterday that I thought I would share. Driving two 8yo home after them playing football in the morning we had tam and Stuart on in the car. They were discussing Barry hearn’s comments and Stuart posed the question “what can Scottish football really learn from sports like snooker and darts. A wee voice pipes up from the back seat,

“Accuracy?”

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Danish PastryPosted on8:18 am - Dec 7, 2014


RyanGosling says:
December 6, 2014 at 11:26 pm

Not to open a hideous can of worms, but as Scotland is part of the UK there is no reason that a Union flag should be out of place at a ground in Scotland any more than a Saltire. If you think all flags should be banned then fair enough, but I don’t see how you can say a Saltire should be allowed but a Union flag shouldn’t.
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I was only stating a personal view Ryan, based on the changes I’ve observed during my lifetime. The use of UJs at one Glasgow stadium seemed a reaction to the use and display of another flag at another Glasgow ground. That grew during decades of conflict. At least it has become a much more widespread phenomenon since the ’70s. But someone might set me straight on that.

The next lot of contentious flags appears to Palestinian & Israeli.

To me, linking bitter political conflicts (via flags) to tribal fan rivalry is unwise.

We are talking about Scottish football. In football terms the Saltire is our national flag, it appears above our stadiums and often on the shirts of our national teams. Banning that or variations of it is not logical. It’s what unites us all, no matter club affiliation.

We saw the effect flag symbolism has in a recent match in Serbia. When the reason for the particular flags used is solely to score tribal-rivalry points it may well be time to rid stadiums of the symbols. That is my thinking.

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Danish PastryPosted on8:47 am - Dec 7, 2014


@UTH

I think you are correct in your interpretation. And it’s a debate that the media is too afraid to engage in. TSFM might want to kick it into touch and return to squirral habitats. Plain talking needed, though. I’m led to believe there are certain flags that people have been stopped from taking into grounds recently. If there are going to be restrictions, then why not just ban them all for period of say, 5 years? To me, they are too often part of the paraphernelia of hate and tribalism.

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AllyjamboPosted on9:15 am - Dec 7, 2014


parttimearab says:
December 6, 2014 at 10:06 pm

I agree that austerity could lead to a better product on the park, but not necessarily, and the illusion of being a big team, and particularly of being ‘Rangers’, would be gone, or at least diminished. I doubt, at this stage, that it would be enough for TRFC to get better because the supporters demand to be the best. The problem for them this season is they know they are not the best! In fact, over three games this season, they have not even been the best team against Alloa. No disrespect to Alloa, but I doubt TRFC supporters consider them worthy of actually having three games against their club! Charles Green created an illusion, austerity will prove it was only an illusion. He promised them the Champions League – they believed him; ‘Zadok The Priest’ doesn’t come with austerity! Watching Celtic trounce Hearts twice this season must have been a bit of a reality check to them all. The semi they were so looking forward to a few weeks ago, must now be something they dread! I doubt, even in their darkest days under John Greig, they ever dreaded an ‘Old Firm’ match, but some of them must surely be wondering what’s different about their club now!

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ulyanovaPosted on9:37 am - Dec 7, 2014


I’m a bit confused by this Union Flag debate. To me a ‘union flag’ in Motherwell or Aberdeen colours is not a union flag.

If Celtic draw Athletic Club in the Europa League are folks going to think that the display of ikurrinas reflects a staunchly held belief in the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

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AllyjamboPosted on9:46 am - Dec 7, 2014


John Clark says:
December 6, 2014 at 11:47 pm

John, I too wish something like that had been said, but, alas, I would more expect a man like Barry Hearn to eschew such awkward things like sporting integrity or keeping it ‘clean’.

The thrust of his speech was about making money from sport by promoting it to it’s ultimate financial peak, and I am gobsmacked that he made no reference to the absence of ‘Rangers’ from the top league as being a business disaster. I am so surprised that I’d love to know why he didn’t make the point!

Does anyone think that if a big money spinning star like, say, Ronnie O’Sullivan had, at the height of his career, been discovered to have cheated on the scale of Rangers, that Barry Hearn would have called for his expulsion, or even a lengthy ban, with title stripping, thus hitting the profits, particularly his own, from future competitions, all in the name of sporting integrity?

Championing sporting integrity is not in a promoters make-up, making full use of crowd drawing celebrities/clubs is.

Again, I wonder why he didn’t query the absence of a ‘Rangers’, I really would like to know!

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valentinesclownPosted on10:04 am - Dec 7, 2014


McMurdo’s latest (slightly grim)

https://t.co/b3F5I3zvZY

His analogy of shipping for some reason makes the name of the Mary Celeste enter my mind.

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John ClarkPosted on10:22 am - Dec 7, 2014


valentinesclown says:
December 7, 2014 at 10:04 am
‘..His analogy of shipping for some reason makes the name of the Mary Celeste enter my mind.’
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Well done for getting the ‘Mary’ right,vc. 🙂

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ecobhoyPosted on10:53 am - Dec 7, 2014


Flags by their very definition are symbols and often there is no problem with what they represent.

But like lots of things their meaning can be corrupted by individuals or groups mis-using them for their own ends.

Yes they could be banned but they would simply be replaced by other symbols as quick as a flash and, indeed, any ban would harden, entrench and imbue the corrupted symbolism of the flag attached to it those who would misuse it.

The problem here is not about flags nor their use in a football context. the problem, quite simply, is about the motives of those who use flags to achieve their own ends whether that be sectarian, political or whatever.

That is the ‘problem’ that has to be addressed and it’s a difficult one because many of those I refer to have been raised in a family and social climate which creates this alternative ‘bond’ with a flag.

In Scotland we have separate and distinct sections of our population who are still affected by this ‘bond’.

It’s an area where politicians of all parties have been wary of treading because they might lose votes. The ‘Old Firm’ – as was – played its part in promoting the enmities and hatred between the groups for base profit motives and paid only lip service to all the human casualties that sick scenario generated. And yet many wish a return to this ‘competition’.

Obviously flags being flags display the visible face of the divisions but they are only the tip and like an iceberg the real danger lurks beneath the surface with the massed standard bearers.

Blame not the flags but those who abuse what they actually represent. But that’s a much harder task and it’s one where new battle grounds continually form.

Even the recent Referendum campaign saw an attempt IMO by one side to stake a claim to ‘ownership’ of the Saltire. I don’t make this statement to open a debate on this issue but to demonstrate how flags previously accepted as a recognised flag by the vast majority of the population can be susceptible to being mis-used for another more narrow purpose.

And that’s the depressing bit for me because even if we deal with the ‘traditional’ battles that blight our country we have to be careful we don’t create new ones.

That’s why the only answer to the problem isn’t by banning flags but through social education and building a more just and inclusive society and somehow draining the lake of hatred that poisons our country.

BTW I specifically used ‘lake’ rather than ‘loch’ and not in an anti-English way but more to illustrate that the hatred I talk about should be alien in this day and age in our country. Apologies to the Lake of Menteith goes without saying of course 😎

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Danish PastryPosted on12:21 pm - Dec 7, 2014


@valentine’s I thought it was a good piece of self-insight until the final few paragraphs. Then it became: strong leader needed, Mike Ashley will save us (though perhaps after certain shipwreck?) and this we line,

And let there be no doubt – what’s left of Scottish football will drown in the wake.

We’re all doomed then. The end of Rangers Mk.II will bring about final apocalyptic chaos and destruction. The wee unionist cult among the fans will have to find another vehicle to attach itself to. With any luck they’ll have no truck with any newco playing in red and black.

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AuldheidPosted on12:34 pm - Dec 7, 2014


ValentinesClown

That MacMurdo article is significant in terms of the grief journey.

We have had the denial which was long lasting.

Then the anger at all and sundry even those pointing out the hard to accept reality.

Then the bargaining with a whole series of colourful bargainers from the Blue Knights, Charles Green through Dave King to Mike Ashley who have come and gone or linger on.

Now in MacMurdo’s article we have the depression stage which will have to run its course before Acceptance arrives.

That acceptance will include those involved in football at governance level and the media who will be forced by reality to create something new in Scottish football that is more sustainable and less self poisoning than what existed before.

The quicker acceptance arrives the better for all. Scottish football needs to become much more family friendly and attract many more women and children to increase the crowds, God knows there are plenty of empty seats to be filled.

It’s a pity the family part of Anne Budge’s statement was overlooked by our smsm, still struggling in their grief for days now gone, but it has to be the way ahead – oh and change the season to play in the light, even if only for the symbolism.

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AllyjamboPosted on12:53 pm - Dec 7, 2014


valentinesclown says:
December 7, 2014 at 10:04 am

A strangely lucid piece from McMurdo, with a goodly smattering of reality. I wonder, though, what he meant by this:

‘Make no mistake – we are watching a club on life support, possibly in its death throes and dying a cruel, horrible death.’

How might a football club die? We know beyond doubt, we’ve seen it happen, that Rangers fans will attach themselves to anything representing their club, so how can it die? It’s not going to fall off a cliff (though it might figuratively), even Celtic can’t kill it, though they might ‘murder’ it quite soon, and failing to win promotion isn’t fatal (in the event that happens), so how does a football club die? I don’t really think we need to look too far for an answer.

But that paragraph does beg the question, does a diehard like McMurdo now believe that another liquidation at Ibrox is on the cards? Has he now reached the point where the ever mounting problems his club are facing mean even he can read the writing on the wall? So aware of the stark reality he’s even forgotten to blame Celtic for all his club’s woes.

He is still, however, confident Ashley will step in and ensure his club ‘rules the seas’. Must be starting some ‘North Atlantic League’ or something 🙄

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paulsatimPosted on1:07 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Allyjambo says:
December 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm

He is still, however, confident Ashley will step in and ensure his club ‘rules the seas’. Must be starting some ‘North Atlantic League’ or something
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Well I’m sure they could find one of the 20,000 leagues under the sea they might rule!

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paulsatimPosted on1:07 pm - Dec 7, 2014


New post from Phil… http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/what-the-dickens-is-going-on-at-ibrox/

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on1:20 pm - Dec 7, 2014


paulsatim says:
December 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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Allyjambo says:
December 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm

He is still, however, confident Ashley will step in and ensure his club ‘rules the seas’. Must be starting some ‘North Atlantic League’ or something
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Well I’m sure they could find one of the 20,000 leagues under the sea they might rule!
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That analogy has already been made :mrgreen:

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/a-matter-of-timing/

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Cygnus X-1Posted on1:28 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Allyjambo says:
December 7, 2014 at 9:46 am

Didn’t Barry Hearn call for the expulsion of the snooker player who was found guilty of taking money to lose frames, was it Stephen McGuire?

Recall Hearn being Mr Zero Tolerance in that case……maybe we should get him to replace CO 😯

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Danish PastryPosted on1:34 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Dickens mapped it all out I see Phil:

Great Expectations, Hard Times, Bleak House & and finally, The Old Curiosity Shop!

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mungoboyPosted on1:45 pm - Dec 7, 2014


And not even a hint of the best of times, only the worst of times ahead for our Dickensian friends.

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on1:48 pm - Dec 7, 2014


valentinesclown says:
December 7, 2014 at 10:04 am
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McMurdo’s latest (slightly grim)

https://t.co/b3F5I3zvZY

His analogy of shipping for some reason makes the name of the Mary Celeste enter my mind.
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The abandoned Brigantine was mentioned last week in Ibrox apropos the depopulation of the place that is ongoing.

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AllyjamboPosted on1:50 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Cygnus X-1 says:
December 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm

Kind of proves my point really, like comparing Rangers to, say, Gretna in terms of drawing power at least! Do you think Hearn would have lost money if McGuire had been expelled? Of course, betting on yourself to lose is extremely serious, I wonder how the SFA would deal with that 🙄

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mungoboyPosted on1:58 pm - Dec 7, 2014


McMurdo has popped into the Den to debate the merits of his latest blog with the inmates.
Getting a bit of stick, not least due to the fact that only a few weeks ago he was posting that everything down Govan way was rosy.
However, I was interested in one comment where a suffering and depressed fan took himself off at the last minute to watch the match yesterday.
As he sat there in the Broomloan, getting more and more depressed at the fare on offer, water started to drip down on him from the roof above. Spent the rest of the match with hoods up.
There was a time when you could have just shrugged and lit up a Hamlet.
The Law’s deprived them of even that pleasure!

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readceltPosted on2:15 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Decent article re Barry Hearns comments.

What is Neil Doncaster For?

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/12/06/what-is-neil-doncaster-for/

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Danish PastryPosted on2:33 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Decent article re Barry Hearns comments.

What is Neil Doncaster For?

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/12/06/what-is-neil-doncaster-for/
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Withering criticism. Could also have mentioned the embarrassing ad-plagued SPFL website.

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SmugasPosted on2:41 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Don’t need to read the article. ND is for taking the flak that should really be aimed at the member clubs.

To borrow a mike hardingism it’s like the bloke employed to follow the queen round and when she trumps it’s his job to own up and say it were ‘im!

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Cygnus X-1Posted on2:48 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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December 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm

Kind of proves my point really, like comparing Rangers to, say, Gretna in terms of drawing power at least! Do you think Hearn would have lost money if McGuire had been expelled? Of course, betting on yourself to lose is extremely serious, I wonder how the SFA would deal with that 🙄
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John ClarkPosted on4:44 pm - Dec 7, 2014


I’m a great one for trying to be fair.I have been very critical of Doncaster, and the fact that he is being given relative pelters is fair enough-he deserves all he gets: but he deserves it rather more, in my view, for being party to the the ‘5-way agreement’ than for any particular failure as a sponsor-finder, or innovative leader.

The overall Football Body, the SFA, deserves more than pelters.
The WHOLE circumstances of the creation and legitimisation of Sevco ( and all its various subsequent names) require that the SFA Board remain the principal focus of our very righteous anger, as having been the instigator of grossest act of betrayal of the very game itself.

The ‘Convention’ was the SFA’s baby.And Regan and Ogilvie seem to have made damned sure that Doncaster’s commercial failure was targeted rather than the damage done by them to any belief that they acted truthfully and honourably in their approach to the liquidation of RFC(IL)and their dirty little secret agreements to appease the horse-loving Yorkshire snake-oil chappie ( whose horse-laughs at how he bullied and bent them to his will can be heard from across the Channel).
I would suggest that Mr Hearn may well have been cautioned not to mention anything to do with ‘fairness’ and ‘clean sport’ and ‘integrity’. Or, perhaps, as some have already suggested, he may have no personal interest in such abstractions.

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jean7brodiePosted on5:10 pm - Dec 7, 2014


John Clark says:
December 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm

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JC, I feel the need for you to send Mr Hearn one of your erudite emails.

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yourhavingalaughPosted on6:10 pm - Dec 7, 2014


What Phil was telling us the other week that someone on the shop floor at Ibrox was saying that the redundant ten where very much required staff to the operation,has their jobs been moved sideways to the Newcastle side of the MA business and integrated with running of 2 football outfits,why not it’s done that way over the big pond

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smallchangePosted on6:20 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Dickens mapped it all out I see Phil:

Great Expectations, Hard Times, Bleak House & and finally, The Old Curiosity Shop!

Continuing on a Dickensian theme but with a seasonal flavour. A Christmas Carol, no prizes for suggestions who might be best placed to take on the role of Scrooge.

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SmugasPosted on7:21 pm - Dec 7, 2014


I would agree Doncaster is the lowest hanging on JC’s target tree unless of course he or any of his staff have either canvassed against sponsorship (unlikely) or (more likely) have advised the clubs they’re better waiting for the glorious return than take any deal on offer at present, advice that simply, and not for the first time in this sorry saga wasn’t his to give.

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on7:27 pm - Dec 7, 2014


smallchange says:
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The ghost of Sevco future…

I don’t hold out much hope for Tiny Tim though

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scottcPosted on7:31 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Smugas says:
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I’m sure I recall reading that ND had turned down certian potential sponsors on the grounds that they were offering too little or wanted too long a sponsorship period. Better to go with nothing at all for a few years, eh Neil?

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scottcPosted on7:31 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Smugas says:
December 7, 2014 at 7:21 pm

I’m sure I recall reading that ND had turned down certain potential sponsors on the grounds that they were offering too little or wanted too long a sponsorship period. Better to go with nothing at all for a few years, eh Neil?

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scottcPosted on7:33 pm - Dec 7, 2014


TSFM, I’ve managed to double post. Can you remove the first of these please? ta

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sickofitallPosted on8:01 pm - Dec 7, 2014


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6158891/Mike-Ashley-wants-Danny-Ings-at-Rangers.html REALLY!!!!!!

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smallchangePosted on8:25 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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I wonder how many they’ll hook.

To read the full story join Sun+ now and claim a FREE one-month trial. 🙄

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6158891/Mike-Ashley-wants-Danny-Ings-at-Rangers.html REALLY!!!!!!
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I’m sure Danny’s agent will tell him what a brilliant career move that would be for him. That story is beyond laughable. I always knew the Sun was a comic, but now it’s fantasy and science fiction.

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The Cat NR1Posted on8:53 pm - Dec 7, 2014


ickofitall says:
December 7, 2014 at 8:01 pm

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6158891/Mike-Ashley-wants-Danny-Ings-at-Rangers.html REALLY!!!!!!
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Will the SFA ask MA to clarify the story in the light of previously reported links between MA, Newcastle United and The Sun?

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/07/15/newcastle-united-agrees-deal-for-the-sun-newspaper-to-become-media-partner/

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jean7brodiePosted on9:02 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Over 30 years ago a man stood for Parliament in a by-election under the label “Reclassify Sun newspaper as comic!!! No improvement thusfar 😯

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ianagainPosted on9:14 pm - Dec 7, 2014


That MAs a pal of the SUN editor or more likely Murdoch is worrying. It certainly pisses off the journos on Tyneside
This has been here a while back but worth reprising the modus operandi as it were:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1184-july-2014/11755-newcastle-reduced-to-vassal-for-mike-ashley-s-brand

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John ClarkPosted on9:20 pm - Dec 7, 2014


jean7brodie says:
December 7, 2014 at 5:10 pm
‘., I feel the need for you to send Mr Hearn one of your erudite emails.’
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Oddly enough, jean7, I had not actually thought about doing so, because I suppose that Mr Hearn doesn’t stand in any kind of relationship to me ( in the same ‘public’ way that the SFA and newspaper hacks do. But,now that you mention it……. the wee wheels are whirring.

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ianagainPosted on9:21 pm - Dec 7, 2014


And does this kind of feel ~(oldish but) familiar:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/94-Newswatch/5226-all-in-the-name

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jean7brodiePosted on9:36 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Wooohooo!! Thanks JC. All fairminded folk will appreciate and laud your intervention. Thanks.

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sickofitallPosted on9:37 pm - Dec 7, 2014


He has bagged four Premier League goals in an injury-hit campaign — after netting 26 in Clarets’ promotion season.

But one of the leading contenders for his signature will be the Scottish giants — if they make it back to the top flight.

Ashley, who has a significant share in the Gers, and sidekick Derek Llambias are big fans of the prolific striker and would pay him a record wage to take him over the border.

Ings would get around £40,000 a week in Glasgow if Ashley wins the signing chase, wages that would dwarf what he is paid at Turf Moor.

The key point is that Rangers have an advantage over interested English clubs such as Ashley’s Newcastle, Tottenham and Southampton because the fee would be tiny.

A move outside England would see Burnley picking up a small training compensation figure, making him attractive to Rangers.

If Ings, 22, stays in the Premier League the price would be fixed by a tribunal and possibly set as high as £5million for one of England’s best young players.

Shrewd Ashley knows Ings would have a great resale value if he moved back to the Premier League down the line and he would pay for himself if he agrees to a season or more in Scotland.

Cynics might even suggest he could be parked at Rangers and loaned or sold cheap to Newcastle at some stage of his career.

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bailemeanachPosted on9:45 pm - Dec 7, 2014


“Ings would get around £40,000 a week in Glasgow ”

Working for who, exactly?

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neepheidPosted on9:54 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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“Ings would get around £40,000 a week in Glasgow ”

Working for who, exactly?
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Scottish “giants” apparently. An extra £2m a year on the wages bill is exactly what they need. After all, why just lose £8m a year, when you can make it a nice round £10m?

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redlichtiePosted on9:57 pm - Dec 7, 2014


sickofitall says:
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Cynics might even suggest he could be parked at Rangers and loaned or sold cheap to Newcastle at some stage of his career.
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But that couldn’t happen, could it? It would be a gross and transparent abuse of the transfer system.

Anyway, MA doesn’t have that level of influence over both TRFC/RIFC and NUFC.

That’s right isn’t it Mr Regan? Mr Regan?

Is that one of the attractions for MA? Using RIFC/TRFC as a vehicle to take advantage of cross border transfer rules to secure substantial eventual financial benefit to his main footballing investment i.e. NUFC?

Scottish Football needs the SFA to clamp down on MA’s clearly undue influence at RIFC/TRFC before it gets past the point of no return.

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ianagainPosted on9:58 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Lets hope this chap isn’t involved in the tale

Grueby, John ( Barnaby Rudge ) Loyal servant of Lord George Gordon who tries to isolate Gordon from the rioters when the protest turns to violence.

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ianagainPosted on10:06 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Oh I love this. Picture quiz for the most appropriate match.

Don’t post here just have It inn your heid:

Phil your Dickensian things got a lot to answer for.
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Turveydrop, Mr ( Bleak House ) Illustration Owner of a dance academy on Newman Street and a “model of deportment.” His son, Prince, gives dancing lessons and supports his father. He was a fat old gentleman with a false complexion, false teeth, false whiskers, and a wig. He had a fur collar, and he had a padded breast to his coat, which only wanted a star or a broad blue ribbon to be complete. He was pinched in, and swelled out, and got up, and strapped down, as much as he could possibly bear. He had such a neckcloth on (puffing his very eyes out of their natural shape), and his chin and even his ears so sunk into it, that it seemed as though be must inevitably double up if it were cast loose. He had under his arm a hat of great size and weight, shelving downward from the crown to the brim, and in his hand a pair of white gloves with which he flapped it as he stood poised on one leg in a high-shouldered, round-elbowed state of elegance not to be surpassed. He had a cane, he had an eye-glass, he had a snuff-box, he had rings, he had wristbands, he had everything but any touch of nature; he was not like youth, he was not like age, he was not like anything in the world but a model of deportment. (top)

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bailemeanachPosted on10:08 pm - Dec 7, 2014


“if they make it back to the top flight”

J-Ings

“he could be parked at Rangers ” – shirley not in the iconic Albion?

mmm http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sports-journalists-cry-foul-amid-suspicions-sun-has-become-newcastle-united-media-partner

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ianagainPosted on10:10 pm - Dec 7, 2014


I was trying to edit that to say you may well have had one of the same process down a street near you in you lifetime.

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on10:44 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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Tis the season for Dickensian analogies young sir! :mrgreen:

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Matty RothPosted on11:00 pm - Dec 7, 2014


bailemeanach says:
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“if they make it back to the top flight”

J-Ings

“he could be parked at Rangers ” – shirley not in the iconic Albion?

mmm http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sports-journalists-cry-foul-amid-suspicions-sun-has-become-newcastle-united-media-partner

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Didn’t the old Rangers have a media partnership deal with Scottish TV? Or did I imagine that?

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bailemeanachPosted on11:12 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Matty – yes oldco had some kind of commercial tie up with STV as I recall

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/28/stv-group-rangers

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John ClarkPosted on11:33 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Ach, well. I wasn’t doing anything terribly important, so I’ve sent this to the only email address given for Match Room Sport ( info@matchroom.com) with a request that it be internally re-directed to the great man.

” Dear Mr Hearn,
Not having heard you speak at the Scottish FA’s Convention the other day, I am dependent on a not wholly up-to-the-mark Scottish sports-media pack for any information about the content of your address.
According to press reports, your speech was quite frighteningly punchy , to the point, and pulled no punches, as it pointed out the manifest failures in the whole marketing and commercial development of modern Scottish Football as a high quality, customer-oriented, sporting experience. You attributed this failure to a number of causes- lack of belief in the product, complacency, lazy settlement into satisfaction with old ways and habits of mind, lack of insight into what the customer needs and wants. And so on.
If these press reports are any way accurate, there must have been many in your audience who realised that their own view of themselves- as club chairmen, or as ‘sports blazers’ – was being well and truly shown to be utterly out of date and badly in need of revision.
As an ‘outsider’ of course, you may not be aware of the deeper malaise that has affected Scottish Football this last few years.
That malaise relates to the very widespread view that Scottish Football administration is not ‘clean’, because the way it handled the consequences of the Liquidation of Rangers Football Club completely threw any notion of respect for Rules and the underlying principles of fair competition and Sporting Integrity to the winds of a secret 5-way agreement , under which a new legal entity was admitted to SFA membership as a new club, but was deemed to be the same club as that which legally languishes in Liquidation. And has been , and is being, favoured by disapplication of the Rules as they relate to undue influence by the owner of one club in the English FA over a Scottish club to the board which, as a 9% shareholder, he has been allowed to nominate directors.
Now, you, as someone for whom the very idea of ‘unclean’ sport, whether it were to be boxing, darts, snooker or such like, is anathema not merely in abstract, ethical terms, but in concrete business and commercial terms, will grasp immediately that if Scottish Football is indeed suspected of not being entirely the clean potato, the consequence is that any moves it makes, any actions it takes, will be viewed with the darkest of suspicion because it has lost its credibility .
In their coverage of your address, the Scottish press made no reference to you mentioning your view that the paramount need for Sports bodies is to be run on a basis of absolute integrity, the absence of which will sound the death knell of Sport.
Cheating clubs, cheating players, cheating referees- that’s small beer. Cheating Sports Authorities is something else entirely more serious!
Perhaps your audience at the SFA Convention would have welcomed an emphasis by you that , ultimately, cheats never win in the market place, any more than on the field.
If one cannot trust the regulators and legislators and enforcers, whom can one trust?
Yours sincerely,
John Clark”

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on11:36 pm - Dec 7, 2014


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That’s a fine missive John.

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bailemeanachPosted on11:39 pm - Dec 7, 2014


Bravo JC – reply is eagerly awaited!

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John ClarkPosted on11:44 pm - Dec 7, 2014


PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
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Thank you, Phil and bailemeanach.
I’ll post any reply that is forthcoming!

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paulsatimPosted on12:06 am - Dec 8, 2014


Phil busy again tonight! http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/a-window-of-opportunity/#more-5403

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ianagainPosted on12:18 am - Dec 8, 2014


JC
Another belter

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