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Chris says: August 9, 2012 at 15:40 Gate sharing is considered a …

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Chris says:
August 9, 2012 at 15:40

Gate sharing is considered a bad idea by some, as it ‘props up’ poor clubs.
OK, when all the ‘poor’ clubs go bust, who forms the league for the four
or five (?) ‘rich’ clubs to play in?

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If they go bust it will be because they have spent money they didn’t have.

They could stop doing that.

Some clubs actually do try to live within their means. They also accept that if it means they cannot get promoted, or win a trophy then so be it.

With regard no competition. As I recall there were three senior tournaments in Scotland last year. Celtic won one, Hearts won one, Kilmarnock won one.

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jocky bhoy says:
August 9, 2012 at 16:59

I’m happy to debate revenue sharing til the cows come hme (done it before) and will do so again. For the record my stance is:

>> TV money should be shared more evenly
>> European money should stay with the club that won it
>> Gate money for league games should stay with the home team (though I am intrigued by the season ticket suggestion) – I pay to support my team, not prop up others.
>> No problem with sharing money from cup games – the “luck of the home draw” should not penalise away teams financially

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Pretty much my position. Happy to split joint media income across the board, equal split to all clubs.

I would also ask a general question. Is there any league in Europe where it is done substantially differently with regard sharing gates.


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Charlie Brown says:
August 9, 2012 at 15:17

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That sort of insular argument, based on a notion that football operates within a vaccuum is pointless.

The socio-economic changes over the last 30 years have been enormous. Whether it be levels of disposable income, people’s mobility, access to tv channels, in home entertainment, the internet, access to other sports … the list goes on and on.

To suggest that all of football’s current financial problems are based on the creation of the SPL and changes to gate sharing is merely seeking to find a historic reason to make changes which suit a current agenda.

If businesses are failing it is because they are spending to much money or are not attracting enough sales. Why should the SPL bolster a team like that at the expense of say Falkirk, who would happily take a place in the SPL and bring their young squad into the league.

We do need changes in the game, but supporting dead wood isn’t one of them.


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Charlie Brown says:
August 9, 2012 at 14:42
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Nice collection of specious arguments.

The fall of the biggest club was due to tax fraud and overspending, nothing whatsoever to do with how gates were split.

With regard whether football is more of a business than it was over 30 years ago, of course it is, it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The whole economic climate has changed, the support are much more mobile, and football has much more competition for it’s customers.

Bolstering failing business who cannot muster enough customers is not the solution.


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Whatever Happened to the Nimmo Smith Report?
OK

That’s two posts I have made on this blog subsequently deleted. Neither had offensive content and both were discussing things which others were discussing, and their posts weren’t deleted.

Not acceptable I’m afraid, so good luck with your new blog guys.


Whatever Happened to the Nimmo Smith Report?
One last boring bit on contentious insolvencies, from Mr Cohen again.

“Now that we’re on the way out of the recession, the time may be right for people and institutions who’ve lost money in the credit crunch to look towards recovering their losses – through litigation if appropriate,” says Malcolm Cohen, Business Restructuring partner at BDO.

Cohen is upbeat about the amount of contentious insolvency work that litigation departments are likely to see in the coming months, as creditors and other claimants look to boost their recoveries. But insolvency work requires rock-solid attention to detail, and the right choice of experts: investigations are likely to involve specialists from different departments, and it’s important to make sure that teams are communicating.

“Understanding the factual background to the losses which have been incurred may involve sifting through an awful lot of data, particularly as the nature of a lot of contentious insolvency work can be international,” he continues. “But there are so many elements in play it would be foolish to think that one department, with its own specific skill set, can handle the work alone.”

BDO have seen increasing amounts of contentious insolvency work recently. Key to this growth in business is the firm’s cross-team approach. “We are selling our clients broad litigation expertise, and that should mean they receive the very best we can offer in all areas,” says Cohen. “Although this type of work may come into the firm through Business Restructuring, we would be crazy not to use our Forensic team to go over the raw data, with a fine-tooth comb if necessary, before we decide what action to take on behalf of creditors. And the forensic people would be an integral part of the team from the beginning.”

The involvement of different experts from the beginning of the process also means a clear overall picture comes quickly into focus and pre-emptive action can be taken if needed. “The real benefit for lawyers can be seen in the quality of information we are able to gather prior to a case beginning, and how quickly we are able to do this,” he confirms. “For example, the fact that an integrated BR and Forensic team can act immediately and gather evidence means that a freezing order can be obtained very early in a case. This can make the difference between significant asset recoveries and no recovery at all.”

Asset recovery is, of course, the whole point of contentious insolvency litigation – and this is something else that a good team should consider very carefully. “If the initial research we undertake doesn’t point towards a winnable case, we definitely won’t push litigation through just to earn a fee,” says Cohen. “Another advantage of involving our Forensic team early on is that we often find that defendants might be unable to pay even if litigation were pursued successfully. In these circumstances we would advise extreme caution in pursuing litigation, however good the case may be.”

BDO’s record of success in contentious insolvency work is testament to the importance of instructing the right experts early, working with closely integrated teams, and taking a hardnosed commercial view of the merits and financial realities of each case. The Advisory team is going to be seeing a lot of this kind of work for the foreseeable future.


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Seamus says:
August 16, 2012 at 14:05

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Who are the trolls, I haven’t seen much evidence of that.


Whatever Happened to the Nimmo Smith Report?
As people are talking about the Ian Black situation I think it’s fairly obvious why the support are so annoyed. I would guess that the Hearts support are more annoyed than others.

He played for ICT 132 time, between 2004 and 2009

He played for Hearts 88 times, between 2009 and 2012

He never played for the Scotland team, however he did make two appearances for Scotland B.

He then moved to Rangers and has played against Brechin and Peterhead, in the Ramsden’s Cup (I think) and the SFL 3. The latter game was a scrappy draw in which Rangers scored the equalizer very late on.

The question people are forced to ask themselves is what has happened. If he was not good enough to play for Scotland when he was at Hearts, a team which has won the Scottish Cup twice in recent years, then why has he suddenly become good enough. Just how much has moving to the fourth tier of Scottish football improved his game. Doe playing against part timers, who train twice a week (for a total of three hours) really prepare him for International football.

It is quite frankly a disgrace. There are young players who would have benefited from that experience and didn’t get it. That was not for the good of Scottish football, if anything it was to appease Rangers and the Rangers’ fans.


Whatever Happened to the Nimmo Smith Report?
Just an example of what the liquidator elect has said

“Once BDO is formally appointed, the joint liquidators will be seeking to protect any remaining assets, maximise recoveries for the benefit of creditors, and investigate the reasons behind the failure of the company.

“It is right that there is a full and robust investigation into why the company failed, together with concerted efforts to recover monies for creditors and the taxpayer.

“This may include pursuit of possible claims against those responsible for the financial affairs of the company in previous years.”


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