The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog (RTC). The aim of the Scottish Football Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media (MSM).
Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.
The cosy relationship that has existed between the media and people at the top of Scottish Football has dissuaded those who may otherwise be moved to blow the whistle on wrongdoing. The Scottish Football Monitor aims, through time, and by winning the trust of ordinary fans, to fill a gap in the football media in Scotland that has been up to now filled only by RTC.
The Rangers FC saga, its consequences, and consequences of the accompanying stream of untruths and misdirection fed to us by the MSM is far from over. RTC was successful in getting the previously buried truth of the Rangers tax case into the mainstream despite a hostile MSM reaction. The Scottish Football Monitor hopes to use the skills and expertise of those in our community to a cast light on matters that those in authority would have concealed, or at least present alternative arguments to those being presented as having none.
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As RTC said he/she would like to build a “monument to succulent lamb journalism” and would like examples to be forwarded on to his/her yahoo email account of the lickspittle churnalists in full flow.
Well as soon as I read that I thought immediately of Mr Hugh Keevins and him blowing a different tune on his nasally bugal with regards to him taking at face value the words of “super ally, I love super ally” mccoist
whilst doubting both Neil Lennon and Kris Commons words a few months earlier.
I refer to the time when the rumour mongers were in full flow having a real go at an alleged unhealthy relationship which may have came to blows between Lennon and Commons. Despite both of them denying they were at odds with each other, Commons going to the length of dressing up in a fake plaster cast as a way of poking fun at the nonsense, Keevins was relentless. I paraphrase Mr Keevins now but he did say that despite what both Lennon and Commons were saying he believed, without providing any evidence of course, that there was indeed a real hostility between the pair.
Now if we fast forward a few months and with the what turns out to be factually correct whispers that Jelavic was on his way to Everton he is suddenly reported injured for a Rangers game and doesn’t make the team.
McCoist tells of Jelavics injury to the waiting succulent lambers. Now despite this injury theory having a whiff of fish off it that would have turned the stomach of a hardened Peterhead fish filliter. Mr Keevins comes out with the cracker, and I paraphrase once more, ” if ally says he is injured then I have to believe he is injured”, he then goes on to waffle some nonsense about his trust for “super ally”.
Anyhoos, does anyone know of a source were I can access old SSB shows to get the actual words spoken by the unbiased shugster? Just so I can pass on the actual spoken statements.
Love, light and peace
Fara
I remember reading on the RTC blog , cannot remember who posted though, that Murray and Whytes father both had business premises in Bellshill. Murray had the Steel stockholders permises and Whyte/White had Haulage premises. What would the betting be re them not only to have known each other, but to have worked together.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
This is the kind of list that this blog should be keeping alive.
Of course the SFA are keeping quiet, trying to “draw a line under it”, but the purpose of this site is to help take folk to task when integrity is threatened.
Which unfortunately brings me to my main point – the SFA isn’t Regan or the Board.
There has been an awful silence from every club on all of these points, many of which, if the truth is anything like we suspect, will have caused or will cause harm to the clubs that Sevco Zombie FC will face in league and cup competitions.
Either I am an internet bampot wannabe and our suspicions are insignificant or unfounded, or the the truth is something every club is willing to cover up with fear and favour.
In the words of Dick Dastardly, “drat, and double drat”.
why would the rule bending/breaking and ignoring stop now that Sevco are in Div 3
That is not where the SPL/SFA wanted them to be .
If anything it will intensify as they have to win the league this year ,hence the transfer embargo that begins when the transfer window closes .Could it be that Ally told the SFA he could not guarantee the winning of the league unless he could sign players .
So how far are the sfa willing to go to ensure sevco win through the divisions ,they need it sevco need it and if you look at the way Brechin and Dundee have been treated ,it shows they are just a side show as far as the SFA are concerned
Not withstanding that the league flag was hoisted yesterday can any one confirm the home attendances for the Aberdeen games last year for comparison. BBC reported just over 48,000 yesterday. Ta.
Honest sporting endeavour, doing your best whilst respecting your opponent bringing Olympic success.
Whoulda thvnk it ?
It’ll never catch on, I tell you.
Larsson7
50,589 v Dundee United first home game of season 2011. I’m sure holidays had an impact this weekend
A great set of questions nowoldandgrumpy @ 14.40
Ah think this should be a recurring post that is added to , al ad ma tuppenceworth…..
Why is their a new ebt enquiry when the Spl announced on the 18 June that their investigation (harper mcloud) had been completed and rangers would face discipinary action before the season started ?
nowoldandgrumpy’s questions….
There are so many questions that the SFA are not prepared to answer in regard to Sevco or TRFC being granted full SFA membership.
When did RFC(IA) submit audited accounts in order to maintain their SFA membership, license or share?
If no accounts submitted, was there a rule change to allow Sevco to bypass this requirement?
Who, when and where, were the players registered?
Who submitted the fit and proper test paperwork?
Did the SFA simply accept this statement after the debacle with Craig Whyte?
There is no mention of RFC(IA) share being transferred to Dundee, was it actually transferred?
Were the conditions set for TRFC to accept membership fully agreed and are they written into any agreement?
Will the SFA revoke TRFC SFA membership if TRFC take any legal action to prevent the implementation of the sanctions and penalties handed down from the dual contracts and EBT’s?
Why were TRFC not required to pay monies due to Scottish, English and European clubs prior to obtaining SFA membership?
Was there any time limit set for payment of these football debts?
What rules were created, amended or provide precedence for the giving of a conditional SFA membership?
I know there are probably lots more.
Larsson7 says: August 5, 2012 at 17:09
Not withstanding that the league flag was hoisted yesterday can any one confirm the home attendances for the Aberdeen games last year for comparison. BBC reported just over 48,000 yesterday. Ta.
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49,037 – only one home game as Aberdeen finished in the bottom six. The game was played on a Sunday.
Btw made the mistake of reading the mcmurdo blog…it’s another planet over there which I try not to inhabit….now off to have a shower, take some rohypnol with a large Gow and hope for memory loss…..
On attendances, the Hearts figures don’t look too great and most likely reflect a fall in ST sales from last season of between 10% and 15%.
Yesterday’s attendance against St Johnstone was 13,022. Last season’s opening home game was 13,821 against Dundee Utd. A better comparison was two seasons ago when Hearts also opened against St Johnstone when the crowd was 14.562.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 5, 2012 at 14:40
There are so many questions that the SFA are not prepared to answer in regard to Sevco or TRFC being granted full SFA membership.
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The BBC and other media will not ask they questions. They are feart of getting barred fae the press conferences.
We need to channel the questions to the MSM through Stuart Cosgrove, Jim Spence and Alex Thomson. One or two others seem to be interested interested in getting to the truth.
If the fans questions don’t get put, if we get stonewall answers or concocted press releases, then our position is no stronger than before.
Why is the Govan team’s game being played on Tuesday rather than yesterday/today?
I am suspicious of everything and everyone. (said in a Clouseau type voice)
Just catching up with posts, as regards the ex club’s season tickets sales, I know a couple of people working inside Ibrox, they report ST sales as “fairly brisk” pushed they estimated maybe 20,000 given fair wind. I then asked about Tuesday’s game at ibrox and was told sales were “slow” make of that what you will.
I see some posters think McCulloch and others on good contracts.
I was doing some “back of envelope” figures based on 20,000 ST and an average £5k weekly wage. I only counted 20 squad players (mostly for ease) so 20 at £5k = £100k weekly £400k monthly £4.8m yearly.(as I say these are just rough figures as an example not accurate)
20,000 ST at £240 gets club roughly £4.5m
Already they are running at a loss without even factoring in running costs etc..
Unless Green is putting in millions or season ticket sales reach 40,000 minimum they cannot possibly see out season and the ex club, will be the first ex ex club.
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 5, 2012 at 14:01
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From KDS.Ties in with the McMurdo link.
……and so it continues. Do people never learn a lesson?
ExclusiveBy CHRIS MUSSON and STEPHEN HOUSTON Published: Today at 02:13
Green hires £11.5m debt tycoon as business guru
A FAILED tycoon who was made bankrupt with £11.5million debts has been hired by Rangers — as a BUSINESS ADVISOR.
Jim Park is a consultant for Charles Green’s newco and is an old pal of former Rangers owner Craig Whyte’s dad Tom.
Last week he was pictured in the directors’ box taking in the Ramsdens Cup clash at Brechin beside Sandy Jardine, Andy Cameron and new Ibrox chief Green.
The Scottish Sun has discovered the former telecoms boss is behind a string of dissolved companies.
He was made personally bankrupt in 2010 with debts of £11,547,925. Last night a Rangers source said: “Jim Park obviously has a controversial past with the companies he’s been involved with.
“But it’s not a case of him being joined at the hip with Whyte and doing his bidding. He’s been a season ticket holder for 40 years.
“He knows Craig Whyte’s father — he’s an old friend.
However, I don’t think he’s got too high an opinion of Craig himself.”
Sources claim businessman Park is also interested in investing in the club.
The catastrophic reign of Whyte saw Rangers face liquidation and this week they restart life as a newco in the Third Division.
The Scottish Sun investigated Park’s business past and found more than 30 companies linked to him which had folded.
Among them is water cooler firm Powwow Water Company, which plunged into administration in 2010 with the loss of almost 400 jobs.
Shortly after taking over, administrators Deloitte filed a report saying the company’s financial information was “wholly unreliable”.
They slated the firm for “weak financial management and inadequate controls”.
He also faced legal action after claims part of the company’s debts had been sold for a “nominal” fee to firms linked to Park — on the day the company crashed.
Administrators said a bank had to stop him recovering debts due to Powwow. According to the Register of Insolvencies, Park was discharged from bankruptcy last year.
Yesterday a woman answering the intercom at Park’s Dumbarton mansion said he was “unavailable”.
Rangers admitted that Park had provided the club with “business consultancy”.
A spokesman said: “He’s not an employee, shareholder or investor.
“He’s provided consultancy services related to media platforms and content.”
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‘He was made personally bankrupt in 2010 with debts of £11,547,925. Last night a Rangers source said: “Jim Park obviously has a controversial past with the companies he’s been involved with………………..Sources claim businessman Park is also interested in investing in the club.’
Whit? Really?
jonny says:
August 5, 2012 at 17:08
“So how far are the sfa willing to go to ensure sevco win through the divisions ,they need it sevco need it and if you look at the way Brechin and Dundee have been treated ,it shows they are just a side show as far as the SFA are concerned.”
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Since 25% of their games will be televised the remainder will be relatively free from recorded evidence.
An easy route, iwht.
This is now getting ridiculous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19137624?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Rangers fans question EBT probe appointment by SPL
Rangers fans groups have objected to the appointment of Harper MacLeod to investigate claims against the club’s previous owners.
The Glasgow firm will probe, on behalf of the Scottish Premier League, alleged dual contracts for players from 2000.
But a joint statement from three fans groups has questioned the process that could lead to the stripping of titles.
Continue reading the main story
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We believe this is being driven by influential members of the SPL board
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Rangers supporters groups
“Harper MacLeod have acted for Celtic FC, who would be the main beneficiaries of any finding of guilt,” they state.
“Indeed, until it was recently removed, they included a testimonial from Celtic CEO Peter Lawwell on their website.
“The SPL could have chosen any law firm to carry out this investigation and it was extremely naive of them to appoint a firm with such a close connection to a rival club.”
The Rangers Supporters Assembly, the Rangers Supporters Trust and the Rangers Supporters Association suggest that, in discussing the stripping of titles, “it appears the SPL has assumed guilt when nothing has yet been proved”.
They urge the football authorities to ensure that the investigatiion is carried out “with the necessary independence, transparency and integrity”.
Rangers remain the subject of a tax investigation by Revenue and Customs into the use of employee benefit trusts to pay members of staff.
SPL investigation
The SPL is investigating how Rangers paid players between 2000 and 2011
SPL said in June Rangers had “a prima facie case to answer in respect of [league] rules”
Independent commission will rule on matter
There are 18 available sanctions should the club be found in breach of SPL rules
While the courts have yet to rule on their legality, the SPL is investigating whether such earnings contravened its requirement that all earnings should be declared to the national parent body.
The SPL has stated that, once Harper MacLeod submits its evidence, an independent commission, likely to be made up of foreign nationals, will be appointed with the power to determine what sanctions, if any, are appropriate.
However, Rangers’ fans groups state: “We are concerned that, despite the SPL having 18 sanctions available, the only punishment being discussed is the most serious, yet no guilt has even been established.
“This, again, leads to a danger of exerting undue influence on the tribunal members through the media.
“We believe this is being driven by influential members of the SPL board and recently formed ‘steering committee’ with the most to gain.”
A BBC documentary, “Rangers, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys”, found evidence suggesting that 38 Rangers players had received side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash.
The fans groups suggest that such media coverage, and similar newspaper articles, will make it difficult for any investigators to remain impartial.
Celtic have previously confirmed that they established one EBT scheme in April 2005, which BBC Scotland understands was for the benefit of Brazilian midfielder Juninho Paulista.
“We would question why there appears to be no on-going investigation into the so-called ‘Juninho EBT’ used by Celtic FC,” add the Rangers fans groups.
“Our understanding is that Celtic acknowledged that this was not declared to the football authorities as part of their licence application.”
The SPL and Harper MacLeod have yet to comment on the supporters’ statement.
Beyond ridiculous that BBC Scotland have given the Sevcovians the time of day, never mind THAT. Hilarious actually.
I could swear that has been directly lifted from Follow Follow! “If in doubt, BLAME PETER LAWWELL!!!”
Fara on August 5, 2012 at 16:13
Fara
Regarding examples of guff spouted by the MSM the best I heard was Mark Guido on SSB where he decided to reveal that Rangers would be in the SPL if they were liquidated. The next caller asked him why he was adamant that this would be the case and did he have proof of this. Guidi took exception at anyone questioning his tale and was raging at the caller for asking who the source of his information was. He claimed he had it on good authority that a parachute straight into SPL was already planned.
This is similar to the guff churned out by Keevins with no proof or names to back them up. Compare that to anyone phoning in with a rumour, they are shot down by the panel for not providing sources.
They way I look at these guys are do you think anyone in Scottish football respects them? They’re a laughing stock who are used to put out in the public transfer target rumours and other propaganda that favours the clubs. Football doesn’t want a media that’s gonna ask too many questions and going to show them up in front of their fans.
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nowoldandgrumpy @ 18:03
They aren’t called the lunatic fringe without good reason
The idea that they have been sinned against, and are being persecuted is both ridiculous and laughable
However, their friends in the MSM are more than happy to support this idea, as it suits their agenda also
Thank you for setting this up.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
August 5, 2012 at 17:54
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Some great stuff on Park and associates:
“Inside the office the language was often vile, sometimes overtly sexual and racist. I genuinely is 20 years of working have never seen a company so badly run.”
http://www.alloaadvertiser.com/articles/1/26064/
http://www.ht2.co.uk/ben/?p=17&cpage=2#comments
jw hardin says:
August 5, 2012 at 14:24
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Wonderful prog on Radio 4 – Morality in Sport, last night. Worth a listen for those inclined.
Essentially, the game is about winning but it is also a morality play on the pitch.
Mihir Bose – author of ‘The Spirit Of The Game’,
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Thanks for that link. As a fan of the White Sport I’m floating on Cloud 9 after Murray’s magnificent olympic gold; not only for his personal triumph after so many nearly-but-nots, but for the spirit of sportsmanship he showed towards Federer – “in victory magnanimity.” If only our beautiful game could return to this type of fair play.
I thought these comments wee classic.
They urge the football authorities to ensure that the investigatiion is carried out “with the necessary independence, transparency and integrity”.
“This, again, leads to a danger of exerting undue influence on the tribunal members through the media.
Interesting to see Wee WS and Wee GS paired again. The last time they had a verbal union in my recollection was the famous evening they met in a motorway services centre, and came out with the joint statement that we should all stop criticising match officials.
As a result, the “honest mistakes” multiplied, Gordon stayed schtum, and the only complaint was from W. Smith when one bad decision went against his team, even though it made no difference to the final outcome. ExRFC won the league that season by I think four points with the help of a refereeing “blunder bonus” I estimated at 12 to 15 points.
SSB will fall apart if their phone line dries up
Your Call fell apart when Annie left
Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
August 5, 2012 at 14:57
Dundee United are top of the league. Its Armagedddddddddoooooon!
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I wish it was Armageddon every day 🙂
I know I shouldn’t be shocked – but I am actually shocked at the continual rubbish from the Sunday Herald. Does the sports editor condone this stuff? does the main editor understand what Richard Wilson is doing to their reputation?
Dear Sunday Herald – i will be boycotting your paper until you run the season book buying details of every other club in Scotland.
Goodbye
Logie says:
August 5, 2012 at 10:31
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Don’t be surprised at the tenor of the PWC commentary; the commentator was David Glen who is a season ticket holder at Ibrox
That’s the same David Glen who, at a Budget Breakfast briefing just over 10 years ago, when the PWC partners were asked to illustrate their talk with a photo of one of their “heroes” used the photo of Barry Ferguson. He was a tax partner of course and maybe he was going to comment on how little tax Barry paid in relation to his substantial income?
How to alienate at least half your audience in a West of Scotland business briefing and not really what one would expect from what used to be the number one accountancy firm.
The Rangers (née Sevco) fans in sense of humour shocker…
http://www.dothebouncy.com/home/content.php?205-Rangers-hit-with-new-Euro-Ban
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 5, 2012 at 18:39
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I thought these comments wee classic.
They urge the football authorities to ensure that the investigatiion is carried out “with the necessary independence, transparency and integrity”.
Whit !! Wheres the dignity?
Stupid question, if the current rfc which is still technically in administration, are still in administration by the time newco play their first game in Div3, will newco be docked 10 points? Seems as though the authorities see them as a contination of the oldco and liable for oldco sins.
Can the two entities be allowed to be in existance at the same time?
Goosy on August 5, 2012 at 18:47
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SSB will fall apart if their phone line dries up
Your Call fell apart when Annie left
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Agreed. I would hold my head in shame if I caught myself listening to one of these shows again. As I would with reading the daily record. I can only do my bit but I really wish that true football fans would blanket ban these media outlets.
In order to kep supporting Scottish football – perhaps we could all support the sponsors of Scottish football. i.e. perhaps once a week we could namecheck the sponsors of our teams and encourage each other to support those sponsors. Obviously I’m happy to have a Tennents beer – and my first nod of thanks goes to Hearts sponsors – so if you ever need your roof fixed:
http://www.buckstoneroofing.com/sponsor.php
Palacio67 says
There’s a saying “there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers”
We can rely on the SFA to continue giving us stupid answers when trying to justify their actions in saving Sevco when the rules didn’t allow it.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 5, 2012 at 18:03
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This is now getting ridiculous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19137624?
utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Rangers fans question EBT probe appointment by SPL
Rangers fans groups have objected to the appointment of Harper MacLeod to investigate claims against the club’s previous owners.
The Glasgow firm will probe, on behalf of the Scottish Premier
League, alleged dual contracts for players from 2000.
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To be fair to Rangers fans *, I can see where they are coming from here. Not for a second would I suggest that Harper MacLeod would be anything less than professional but you would think that, given the integrity message which has been rammed down the throat of the SPL recently, they would instruct a firm with no links to Rangers, The Rangers or Celtic.
* it is Rangers fans we’re talking about here isn’t it, because why would The Rangers (née Sevco) fans care about Rangers being stripped of titles?
Stories peddled by the MSM regarding the reduction in season ticket sales are always that the fans are not buying because Sevco are not in the SPL.
They will countenance no other explanation but I’ll try one or two.
A lot of fans refused to buy season tickets because they thought that they might HAVE to watch Sevco in the SPL. I certainly know that I did.
They held back in there thousands and essentially forced their own clubs to vote the way they demanded.
However having witnessed the shambolic way the games administrators dealt with the biggest sporting scandal ever to hit these shores a lot of fans simply decided that the game they love was no more than a rigged competition and decided there was no point in returning. That should possible be the biggest concern.
The fans have shown that they have financial muscle and it is possibly now time to strike at the heart of the propaganda machine that attempts to push unsubstantiated stories, and down right lies while peddling them as an absolute truth.
Perhaps someone with the technical knowledge could put a poll together to ascertain a boycott of one of the national papers that has so abysmally failed the sporting public in what should be their quest for truth. This should have been our media’s finest hour where a sporting story was of massive national significance. A truly sporting ‘Watergate’ moment but they failed. Not only did they fail the public more importantly they failed their own profession and in doing so laid bare their own corruption, or laziness for all to see.
If it is agreeded then supporter associations of all clubs should be contacted and asked for their support. A consensus of fans is as important on this issue as the demand for sanctions against a new club.
If agreed, then a letter should be sent to the editor of the paper(s) in question stating that the football fans of Scotland demand a change to the way football journalists do their job. No more made up tales. Get the journalists to do a days work getting a story, researching details, presenting facts and allowing the reader to make up their own mind. No more ‘a source said’ stories.
A date confirming a boycott should be included within the letter so that the editor can see the difference in his sales figures. In this way the MSM can also feel the force of fan power.
If journalists can no longer remember why they came into the profession, or are simply too lazy to do their job correctly, then they should be sacked to make way for someone who knows when they are being told a tale or at the very least has the integrity that their profession should demand.
Lord Wobbly @ 20:01
“why would The Rangers (née Sevco) fans care about Rangers being stripped of titles?”
Based on the history of the Division 3 team based at Ibrox on the OFFICIAL SFL site they have every right to care.
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/rangers-fc/
Phil Mac tweeting that the text from the Park story has been removed, he is suggesting that someone may have just realised that Park was a Director of the daily record and sunday mail.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 5, 2012 at 18:03
‘This is now getting ridiculous.
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19137624?”
Lord Wobbly says:
August 5, 2012 at 20:01
‘…To be fair to Rangers fans *,..’
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Yes, LW, good point. But maybe, just possibly, they did actually think for a bit, and decide to opt for Harper Macleod rather than an ‘establishment’ firm, for fear of ‘cover-up croneyism’ allegations if at the end they had to say that nothing suspicious had been turned up and no further action was required!.
Kilgore Trout says: August 5, 2012 at 20:
Lord Wobbly @ 20:0
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So the SFL think Rangers and The Rangers are the same thing.
Rangers think Rangers and The Rangers are the same thing.
MSM think Rangers and The Rangers are the same thing.
Now it just needs BDO and HMRC to think Rangers and The Rangers are the same thing !!
Itsagoal! says:
August 5, 2012 at 19:47
In order to kep supporting Scottish football – perhaps we could all support the sponsors of Scottish football. i.e. perhaps once a week we could namecheck the sponsors of our teams and encourage each other to support those sponsors. Obviously I’m happy to have a Tennents beer – and my first nod of thanks goes to Hearts sponsors – so if you ever need your roof fixed:
http://www.buckstoneroofing.com/sponsor.php
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Might I suggest a name change to Itsanowngoal. 🙂
layman00 says:
August 5, 2012 at 18:20
My parents told me how they used to laugh at the propoganda spouted by Lord Haw-Haw during WWII. He talked such b*ll*cks that. Instead of terrifying and demoralising the population, his outlandish claims made him a figure of fun – right up to, and after, they hanged him.
Now everybody, except a few deluded bears, is laughing at the pathetic MSM. Jabba, Keevins, Guidi & co have actually become figures of fun. Maybe the editors will move them to the funnies pages to avoid any complications with the trade descriptions act. One big difference between the MSM and Lord Haw-Haw, IMHO, “hingin’s too guid fir thum” 🙂
Schneeb @ 20:43
Fortunately neither BDO nor HMRC have a vested interest in the fallacy.
At least one inciteful columist within the MSM gets it. This story was in the Scotsman on saturday but some parts were edited out. RTC gets a mention along with Suart Cosgrove, Jim Spence and Phil.
http://www.gerryhassan.com/uncategorized/2439/
LW @ 20.01
To be fair to Rangers fans *, I can see where they are coming from here. Not for a second would I suggest that Harper MacLeod would be anything less than professional but you would think that, given the integrity message which has been rammed down the throat of the SPL recently, they would instruct a firm with no links to Rangers, The Rangers or Celtic.
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Peter Lawwell, now perhaps the most influential figure in Scottish football today seems to weave an ever wider web.
“Well in” with Regan and Doncaster, it appears he´s also well in with Harper & McLeod.
He was featured up until recently on the lawyers website providing a reference on behalf of CFC (this has since been deleted) and his daughter (law student) has now received a placement at H&Mc.
http://harpermacleod.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/2010-summer-placement-scheme/#comment-436
I don´t think this a wise appointment either.
Schneeb @ 20:43
Apologies.
I see I missed your point!
eddie rice says:
August 5, 2012 at 20:54
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At least one inciteful columist within the MSM gets it. This story was in the Scotsman on saturday but some parts were edited out. RTC gets a mention along with Suart Cosgrove, Jim Spence and Phil.
http://www.gerryhassan.com/uncategorized/2439/
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Don’t agree that Gerry Hassan ‘gets it’. He clearly hasn’t read much of the comment on RTC. In the second paragraph, and speaking of rangers, he talks of ‘their demotion to Division Three’. Same old p!sh, I’m afraid.
Someone mentioned earlier an interview with Mr Cosgrove would be a good idea
I would love to hear Stewarts take on how and why our MSM operates the way it does and who is pulling the strings of their puppets like Traynor etc.
Who are the real architects behind the obfuscation and misinformation that is peddled on a daily basis ?. Getting rid of Traynor Chic and Keevins is pointless if they are just replaced with more of the same .
I understand they are playing to their audience but the BS is now being questioned by a large part of those who were once happy to hear of hover pitches and casinos . Have they ever considered that telling the truth would be more respected even if that truth is painful to hear .
Once trust is gone its very difficult to regain .
I have long been of the opinion that Murray Whyte and Green are all part of the same cabal
It was the MSM that were happy to chew on the succulent that allowed Murray to get away with as much as he did .
It was the MSM that were happy to paint the “off the radar” picture of Whyte that allowed him to get away with his nonsense far longer than he should have
And now its the MSM who are backing cheap suit Charles as the man to save the day
If this cabal of rogues is allowed to operate without any real pressure into their operations
and Rfc* (2) goes the same way as Rfc* will their audience finally walk away for good .
They claimed Murray was above suspicion , a knight of the realm ,a business guru
we have known for years he was a shyster
They claimed nobody could have known Craig was dodgy ,but the RTC blog had outed him as a conman before he had put pen to paper
We have now put enough question marks against Charles for serious questions to be asked
If they dont ask them then it has to be 3 strikes and your out .
David Murray – Craig Whyte- Campbell Ogilvie-Martin Bain-Walter Smith – Graham Souness-
Charles Green – Tom Whyte- Zeus Capital- Octopus – Ticketus- Lloyds bank- Duff and Duffer
Stewart Regan- Doncaster etc etc etc
get asking the questions before its too late -your jobs and reputations are hanging by a thread
justshatered says:
August 5, 2012 at 20:13
However having witnessed the shambolic way the games administrators dealt with the biggest sporting scandal ever to hit these shores a lot of fans simply decided that the game they love was no more than a rigged competition and decided there was no point in returning. That should possible be the biggest concern.
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You described me to a tee, a Season Ticket holder for the last 17 years and 36 years in total.
No season ticket this year for me, nothing to do with Rangers, everything to do with the SFA/SPL.
Palacio67 says:
August 5, 2012 at 19:44
‘Stupid question, if the current rfc which is still technically in administration, are still in administration by the time newco play their first game in Div3, will newco be docked 10 points? ..’
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Absolutely not a stupid question, and one of the many that the SFA will have to answer.
But their moral cowardice and desire to save the wicked club have caused them to create an absolute monster of a problem.
There is RFC(IA) a totally busted flush, without assets and their share in the SPL finally transferred to Dundee, so no title to any kind of membership of the SFA.No title even to exist.
And there is ‘The Rangers FC Ltd’ with some ( increasingly dwindling) assets, with a wholly unjustified, fraudulent perhaps, membership of the SFA, and at least some players with non-existent/ illicit registrations.
But as part of the corrupt arrangements to appease the mob ‘The Rangers’ are being allowed to claim that they are the old Rangers, even agreeing (very big of them!) to inherit some of the consequences of the rotten club’s self-inflicted damage.
It should follow, in any kind of sane world, that the 10 point penalty should apply as well.
But the inmates are now running the asylum, and, I think, now have no control.
Lord Wobbly
The rangers fans are throwing accusations at all and sundry and like sebo, they are off target. This is not celtics lawyers, working for celtic, or part of any hidden hand of timothy war of attrition. Rangers fans seem to want only rangers minded people to sit in judgement and we all know what happens then. We had a perfectly adequate independant panel system that mccoist destroyed with sinister dog whistling, these insinuations are keeping the malevolance bubbling under the surface. Rangers fans will have to accept that there is no war on, this is not an ancient battle, there are no agendas and no secret timirrati behind the scenes. This is a simple open and shut case of a club caught cheating and a desire of the public to finally see some justice visited upon this club, instead of the sickening attempts to soften every applicable sanction.
I actually find it funny to read the conflct of interest claims of rangers fans while the top floors at hampden have been flooded with rangers men during the most corrupt decade of its existance, and its this conflict that allowed the cheating to increase to unrecoverable proportions. The hidden hand of attila could only cover their work for so long before it became too big to hide.
More irony than the Morphy Richards steamjet 500
My point from the statement was in relation to them questioning the integrity, (though I laughed when I read that word) of Harper McLeod.
What should we do now when it comes to TRFC. Do we now require every law firm in Glasgow or beyond, to have the football affiliations of every staff member declared, before they can be asked to investigate on behalf of the SFA?
Do we have to ask if these law firms have ever acted on behalf of any director of any football club in Scotland?
Perhaps TRFC would be happier if it was Donald Findlay who was handling all the SFA legal issues.
Where do we draw the line.
Just arrived! had a busier day I see, getting juicy again 🙂 keep up the good work 😉
nowoldandgrumpy
We could ask if the CEO of the main rival to the club under investigation has any influence in the law firm ?
The placement of his daughter (law student) suggests that he does.
rab says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:15
‘……timirrati……’
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Good word, Rab. Don’t think I’ve seen it before?
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:22
‘…..Where do we draw the line…’
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Not where Regan and Doncaster want to draw their lines! 🙂
The TU/TD function has disappeared…or is it a fault on my site?
Anyone have same prob?
Anybody with sense has to agree with Lord Wobbly at 20.01, Charlie Oscar @ 20.54 and the fans of TRFC on the appointment of Harper McLeod. I can see no good side to that story. It makes you wonder how anybody could be so out of touch as to make the decision to make the appointment.
Charlie Oscar says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:33
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nowoldandgrumpy
We could ask if the CEO of the main rival to the club under investigation has any influence in the law firm ?
The placement of his daughter (law student) suggests that he does.
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Sorry Charlie but surely you should have said former main rival.
nowoldandgrumpy
Try addressing the issue.
From KDS
Its a bit inconvenient that the Company Secretary of the firm that provided Duff and Phelps with property valuations for the estate of Ranger (IA), that allowed Sevco to make purchase of the assets of the carcass of Rangers (IA), is a partner of the firm mention in the article.
Charlie Oscar says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:59
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nowoldandgrumpy
Try addressing the issue.
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I had addressed the issue, I was only correcting an error in your comment.
Sepia says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:43
‘Anybody with sense has to agree with Lord Wobbly at 20.01, Charlie Oscar @ 20.54 and the fans of TRFC on the appointment of Harper McLeod. I can see no good side to that story…’
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But what a blessing it would it would have been for the ‘Authorities’ if an allegedly Celtic- oriented investigating firm had found nothing!
There would have been no serious possibility of anyone alleging that the investigators had covered their work and made everything all square, as would almost certainly have been the case if an ‘establishment’ firm had carried out the initial investigation and had reported ‘nothing to see here’.
Perhaps I was crediting people with more savvy and powers of perception than they’re actually capable of.
What you must remember when dealing with Sevco’s supporters, is that you are dealing with an element of society who see themselves as the custodians of a heritage, culture and tradition that is an anachronism, and has had its day
That is why they will fight tooth and nail for their history, as it is a reminder of a time that is all but gone
That is why the MSM, and others in the corridors of power, who are of the same mindset, will continue to back them with their propaganda
They have been seen and treated as an “establishment” organisation for the best part of 100 years, and their perception of what is happening now is that their treatment is unfair and biased
This is despite the fact, that the powers that be, in the shape of the football authorities, have bent, broken and where necessary, have invented rules to keep the spawn of RFC (IA) in existence
They fully expected to receive no, or minimal punishment, for all of the transgressions, and indeed expected Government to intervene to put a stop to all of the “nonsense”
So expect more of the whinging, whining and moaning from those who see themselves as the “peepil”, and in fact it will probably get worse
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading somewhere, that Harper McLeod were in actual fact the SPL’s lawyers
Can anyone confirm this
As for Charlie Oscar’s comment at 21.33pm, please grow up
His daughter gets a placement, and you equate that to having influence
Charlie Oscar
Campbell Ogilvie is current president of the sfa. He seems to be carrying on Gordon Smiths good work. Totally unconflicted of course.
Could any of the legals give an opinion on the type of company HM are, do they have a policy of celtic mindedness hiring and promotion, or are they a long established, professional reputable company.
rab says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:15
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Lord Wobbly
The rangers fans are throwing accusations at all and sundry and like sebo, they are off target. This is not celtics lawyers, working for celtic, or part of any hidden hand of timothy war of attrition.
Rangers fans seem to want only rangers minded people to sit in judgement and we all know what happens then. We had a
perfectly adequate independant panel system that mccoist
destroyed with sinister dog whistling, these insinuations are
keeping the malevolance bubbling under the surface. Rangers
fans will have to accept that there is no war on, this is not an
ancient battle, there are no agendas and no secret timirrati
behind the scenes. This is a simple open and shut case of a club caught cheating and a desire of the public to finally see some justice visited upon this club, instead of the sickening attempts to soften every applicable sanction.
I actually find it funny to read the conflct of interest claims of
rangers fans while the top floors at hampden have been flooded with rangers men during the most corrupt decade of its existance, and its this conflict that allowed the cheating to
increase to unrecoverable proportions. The hidden hand of attila could only cover their work for so long before it became too big to hide.
More irony than the Morphy Richards steamjet 500
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Oh I agree 100% about the irony. But the SPL (Doncaster particularly) don’t have troubles to seek and such an apointment doesn’t help. I’m sure we on here would have had plenty to say if a firm with Rangers connections had been appointed.
Guys,
Do not feed the troll.
It would be better if only substantive issues were discussed. Remember the purpose of trolling is to get the debates away from the real issues chasing down cul-de-sacs.
Just watching sportscene, so much for sell out saturday, after all the bluster and wanting to save our game, new season same old story, so called supporters not going to games, diddy team fans have hurt their teams much more that we ever did.
Get a grip and get to games and support our game, if fans go things will change and your team will be better off with more money and better teams.
Sell out Saturday is next weekend I think
My final comment on this
Many moons ago, I through my contacts in other companies, managed to arrange placements for both of my daughters
Although friendly with people in those companies, I would doubt I had any influence within them
Bear in mind also, that HML are not conducting the investigation
They were asked to look at the initial facts to see if there was a case to answer
An independent panel will conduct the investigation, and determine guilt or innocence, not HML
On another matter, its about time my fellow Rangers fans shut their mouths and stopped trying to blame everybody else for our problems. We brought this on ourselves, it wasn’t celtic or any other club, but Murray and the gef. So get to supporting Rangers, hopefully straight back to the spl.
Oh and to the spl and sfa, I don’t want any shenanagens to get us back up asap, we will do our time and do it by winning games however long it takes, so just concentrate on improving our downtrodden game and make it a better spectacle than the dross we have served up in the past few years.
Charlie Oscar says:
August 5, 2012 at 21:59
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nowoldandgrumpy
Try addressing the issue.
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But not at the expense of accuracy Charlie. Rangers and The Rangers fans inability to deal with the reality of their respective clubs position is one of the main reasons why the new club is struggling to get going. Rangers is dead. It ain’t coming back. The choice going forward is a new club or no club. Unless some rival new club gives it a go, The Rangers Football Club is all they’ve got. Maybe, in time, this new club might become a rival to Celtic, but that day is a long way off. In the meantime, they need to negotiate the teams in front of them.