About the The Scottish Football Monitor

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About the The Scottish Football Monitor

The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog (RTC). The aim of the Scottish Football Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media (MSM).

Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.

The cosy relationship that has existed between the media and people at the top of Scottish Football has dissuaded those who may otherwise be moved to blow the whistle on wrongdoing. The Scottish Football Monitor aims, through time, and by winning the trust of ordinary fans, to fill a gap in the football media in Scotland that has been up to now filled only by RTC.

The Rangers FC saga, its consequences, and consequences of the accompanying stream of untruths and misdirection fed to us by the MSM is far from over. RTC was successful in getting the previously buried truth of the Rangers tax case into the mainstream despite a hostile MSM reaction. The Scottish Football Monitor hopes to use the skills and expertise of those in our community to a cast light on matters that those in authority would have concealed, or at least present alternative arguments to those being presented as having none.

Scottish Football Monitor asks contributors to remember only a few things;

1. The site is not the domain of any one club and is open to fans of all clubs.

2. Absolutely no discussion with regard to religion should take place.

3. Posters should refrain from using foul or abusive language.

Welcome to The Scottish Football Monitor

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

2,167 Comments so far

Jimbo milliganPosted on3:41 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Murray accuses SPL of retrospectively rewriting rules

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AuldheidPosted on3:42 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Charlie Brown says:

August 6, 2012 at 15:27

Exactly. We made the arrows and softened the bullseyes, they fired the arrows once they found or were given them.

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TheBlackKnight TBKPosted on3:42 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Domaine Jessiaume on August 6, 2012 at 14:27

Quite frankly, who cares what they think!

There are several instances over many many years (even today) where ‘conflicts of interest’ exist in Scottish Football.

I can’t recall any complaints over decisions from the FA that could have perhaps favoured one team over the years. Directors, officials, ex players/ managers all with exceptional influence within the Scottish FA.

Sour grapes from them. They know there is blame. They know there will be consequences. They know there will be sanctions. What better way to distract from the real issue. GUILT!

We have heard the ‘blood lust’ comments in the press and on radio. They are building up to the end game. They are now out of control. Lashing out at all and sundry.

One could almost forget that they run Scottish football, remember!

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mohandiseenPosted on3:42 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Yet again the propaganda machine is turned on.

It’s been announced that SDM will be making a statement on EBT’s this afternoon, and surprise surprise before he’s even said anything we have McCoist and McLeish dismissing as rubbish the said use of the scheme. McCoist even goes as far as saying ” any investigation is a waste of time”.

Almost simultaneously breaking reports of Sandaza signing for £5k/week, Kyle in talks, a Brazilian defender on trial etc etc.

It’s all got just so predictable. You’d think that there’s some bad news on the horizon.

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easyJamboPosted on3:42 pm - Aug 6, 2012


SDM quote “I reject & resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating”

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Charlie BrownPosted on3:43 pm - Aug 6, 2012


It looks like they will continue to deny and deflect any wrong-doing until the very end.

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Edgar BlammPosted on3:45 pm - Aug 6, 2012


David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

“Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified or proportionate.” David Murray #Rangers
6m David Cowan David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

Murray accuses SPL of trying to “retrospectively rewrite rules” #Rangers

7m David Cowan David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

David Murray says there was no cheating at #rangers when he was in charge: “No rules breached or circumvented.”

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youtawknabootPosted on3:47 pm - Aug 6, 2012


miki67 says:
August 6, 2012 at 13:24

The cost of security for Green’s wee f.c. outings as they can only take cash payments will be astronomical.
…………………………………………………………………………………………..
No problem with robberies re the pay at the gate “security risk”
Inevitably, most of the suspects will be at the games 🙂

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Charlie BrownPosted on3:48 pm - Aug 6, 2012


It’s good that Sir David is letting us know that they did pay all the tax after all and kept the SFA & SPL fully informed and ensured all the registration documentation was fully compliant and full disclosures were made …………. oh wait a minute?

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aramintamoobeamqcPosted on3:50 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Re no Newco in SPL “I would question whether sporting integrity was the underlying motive for many who took this decision”. #Murray

Oh, that’s right – we are ALL bigots/jealous. FFS. Charles Green in a more expensive suit.

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Long Time LurkerPosted on3:51 pm - Aug 6, 2012


SDM denies cheating the taxpayer?

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campsiejoePosted on3:52 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Listening to all of the posturing announcements from yesterday and today, it is obvious that Sevco has learned absolutely nothing from the death of their parent

As I feared, the fact that they have walked away from anywhere between £55 and £135 million of debt and the authorities have broken all of the rules to accommodate them, has made them even more arrogant, if that is possible

It is little wonder that McCoist feels he can dictate what is acceptable, and what is not

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Charlie BrownPosted on3:55 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Sir David Murray has insisted that Rangers are not guilty of any wrongdoing as the Scottish Premier League investigates possible rule breaches during his time at Ibrox.

The SPL has already stated that there is a prima facie case to answer over payments allegedly made to Rangers players between 2001 and 2010 that were not specified in SPL contracts.

Murray has denied that the club cheated during a successful decade and has said that the SPL are acting improperly .

“During my stewardship of Rangers no rules were breached or circumvented and I reject and resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating,” he said in a statement released to the Press Association.

“I cannot be anything other than angered at the suggestion Rangers should be stripped of titles or other competition victories.”

The SPL have said that if found to be in breach of the rules, a range of 18 possible sanctions could apply, with the stripping of league titles among the more severe options. Murray suggested that the SPL was attempting to “retrospectively rewrite laws to incorporate items not previously covered.”

Murray’s response comes a day after a statement released by Rangers’ supporters groups accused the SPL of mishandling the investigation and pursuing an agenda against the club.

from here http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/114055-sir-david-murray-denies-cheating-while-rangers-owner/

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stevensanphPosted on3:57 pm - Aug 6, 2012


this will get lost no doubt after Murray’s latest drivel, but just seen that FOX USA are advertising 41 SPL games this season to be shown live. Not heard any announcement from the SPL though on this. Of course, announcing a new deal, that would mean more SPL money, doesn’t fit the media house agenda does it?

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easyJamboPosted on3:57 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Statement in full

I have decided to issue this statement because of the concerns which I have at the continuing attempts to inflict further punishment on Rangers Football Club.

While the “Newco” Rangers was rejected for membership of the SPL on the publicly stated grounds of sporting integrity, I would question whether this was the underlying motive for many who took this decision. I am not totally convinced by the explanation that they were reacting to the opinions of the supporters of their individual clubs.

This, in my opinion, is a suitable answer to cover many other agendas.

I applaud the decision of the SFL to accept Rangers for membership and respect the decision of the member clubs of the SFL to admit Rangers to its Third Division.

The problems at Rangers have brought no credit to Scottish football and are a tragedy for the Club and for all those connected with it and who support it. They cannot be condoned and it is appropriate that there should be a proportionate penalty for the Club for the events over the last year.

However, I urge all those connected with Scottish football to bring this sad affair to a close – now. Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified nor proportionate.

Nevertheless, I cannot be anything other than angered at the suggestion that Rangers should be stripped of titles or other competition victories.

This suggestion is an insult to the staff and players who achieved these successes thanks to skill, hard work and commitment and for no other reason.

It is also an insult to the thousands of Rangers supporters who spent their hard-earned money to support the Club they love.

I hope that those presently in charge of Rangers show sufficient resolve when it comes to resisting this move, despite the incentives being offered to do otherwise.

I believe that there is a misconception which may lie behind this suggested penalty and accordingly it is my duty to clarify certain matters.

During my stewardship of Rangers no rules were breached or circumvented and I reject and resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating.

As was required of a PLC, all accounts were fully audited and made available to all entitled parties. All football rules were complied with. All enquiries from entitled parties or organisations were answered.

To those who criticise certain actions undertaken on behalf of the Club, I suggest that they familiarise themselves with all relevant rules before they come to any conclusions or express any opinions.

This is particularly relevant to the SPL rules where it would appear that there are efforts to retrospectively rewrite laws to incorporate items not previously covered.

The SPL rules variously required disclosure of all contract of service matters and all payments from a club to a player.

It would now appear that these are to be rewritten to incorporate non-contractual loans from independent third parties and other non-contractual matters.

If this is the case then press comment over the past few years would appear to indicate that several clubs other than Rangers may well have fallen foul of the soon to be changed historic laws.

It would also appear that the SPL is once again seeking to invest itself with a power of retrospective penalty beyond that prescribed in its own rules.

Much has been said and written about EBTs. It should be noted that the tax treatment of these is an issue as yet unresolved and it is wrong to prejudge the outcome.

It must be stressed that the tax tribunal will determine the appropriate tax treatment in respect of the arrangements operated.

This is not a criminal matter and there is presently no question as to the legality of these schemes.

Rangers agreed contracts of employment with its players (and staff). The EBT scheme involved the contribution of funds into an offshore discretionary trust managed by independent trustees.

The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.

There was no contractual or beneficial entitlement to the funds on the part of any individual and the monies paid to EBTs were not “remuneration” in terms of any rules applying to the Club.

Since 2001 when the EBT scheme was introduced, the amounts contributed were disclosed in the audited financial statements of the Club. These audited accounts were provided to the SFA and SPL as required.

As the law stands, it is the right of every taxpayer to minimise his tax liability.

For example, taxpayers are entitled to maximise contributions to pension funds and benefit from the resultant tax allowances. Tax AVOIDANCE is a right. It is tax EVASION which is a crime.

In December 2010, as a result of legislation changes introduced by HMRC, EBTs were rendered tax inefficient. Thereafter the Club made no further contributions to EBTs.

For the avoidance of doubt, many thousands of employees in many areas of business and commerce have benefited from EBTs.

Rangers sought only to provide financial security for players (and staff) within the rules of law and football. To suggest that this amounted to cheating in the sporting context is an allegation which is without any foundation.

I, of course, wish the “new” Rangers every success for the future. I have no doubt that the present generation of players and staff will make a positive and beneficial contribution to the SPL and, in due course, return the Club to a position of pre-eminence in Scottish football.

However, I am determined to support those who served the Club with such dignity and integrity during my stewardship.

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tomtomPosted on3:58 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Edgar Blamm says:
August 6, 2012 at 15:45

David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

“Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified or proportionate.” David Murray #Rangers
6m David Cowan David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

Murray accuses SPL of trying to “retrospectively rewrite rules” #Rangers

7m David Cowan David Cowan ‏@stvdavidc

David Murray says there was no cheating at #rangers when he was in charge: “No rules breached or circumvented.”
===========================

Coming from the mouth of the man who denied to Jeff Randall that any side letters existed you will forgive me if I don’t believe him 😀

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Smell the glovePosted on3:58 pm - Aug 6, 2012


There’s a simple solution to all Scottish Football’s problems. Once rankers have been publicly found guilty of EBT misuse, throw them out of football for good. Then it’s up to clubs to live within their means. Goodbye cheats fc, watch football fight its way back with integrity.

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campsiejoePosted on4:01 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Looks like Murray still thinks he can bully and threaten everyone, via his old, tired, flea ridden lapdogs
Time will tell I suppose 🙂

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Charlie BrownPosted on4:03 pm - Aug 6, 2012


It sounds like Sir David Murray is trying to get his retaliation in first.

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ParanoidWellFanPosted on4:05 pm - Aug 6, 2012


I was about to take issue with the description of RFC (IA) as wounded, however, given the fact that technically they are still (IA) I’ll accept it for now.

And given the propensity of a wounded animal to fight tooth and nail to preserve itself, in this case, bayonetting it in order to save what little integrity Scottish football has left, is entirely justifiable.

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TheBlackKnight TBKPosted on4:07 pm - Aug 6, 2012


‘Rangers didn’t cheat’: Sir David Murray’s statement in full

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/114085-rangers-didnt-cheat-sir-david-murrays-statement-in-full/

06 August 2012 15:46 BST

Sir David Murray has criticised the SPL investigation into alleged off-contract payments and slammed the suggestion that titles could be stripped as unjust.

In a statement published though Press Association, Murray accused the SPL of acting outwith their own rules and with an agenda against the Ibrox club.

Sir David Murray’s statement in full

I have decided to issue this statement because of the concerns which I have at the continuing attempts to inflict further punishment on Rangers Football Club.

While the “Newco” Rangers was rejected for membership of the SPL on the publicly stated grounds of sporting integrity, I would question whether this was the underlying motive for many who took this decision. I am not totally convinced by the explanation that they were reacting to the opinions of the supporters of their individual clubs.

This, in my opinion, is a suitable answer to cover many other agendas.

I applaud the decision of the SFL to accept Rangers for membership and respect the decision of the member clubs of the SFL to admit Rangers to its Third Division.

The problems at Rangers have brought no credit to Scottish football and are a tragedy for the Club and for all those connected with it and who support it. They cannot be condoned and it is appropriate that there should be a proportionate penalty for the Club for the events over the last year.

However, I urge all those connected with Scottish football to bring this sad affair to a close – now. Bayoneting the wounded is neither justified nor proportionate.

Nevertheless, I cannot be anything other than angered at the suggestion that Rangers should be stripped of titles or other competition victories.

This suggestion is an insult to the staff and players who achieved these successes thanks to skill, hard work and commitment and for no other reason.

It is also an insult to the thousands of Rangers supporters who spent their hard-earned money to support the Club they love.

I hope that those presently in charge of Rangers show sufficient resolve when it comes to resisting this move, despite the incentives being offered to do otherwise.

I believe that there is a misconception which may lie behind this suggested penalty and accordingly it is my duty to clarify certain matters.

During my stewardship of Rangers no rules were breached or circumvented and I reject and resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating.

As was required of a PLC, all accounts were fully audited and made available to all entitled parties. All football rules were complied with. All enquiries from entitled parties or organisations were answered.

To those who criticise certain actions undertaken on behalf of the Club, I suggest that they familiarise themselves with all relevant rules before they come to any conclusions or express any opinions.

This is particularly relevant to the SPL rules where it would appear that there are efforts to retrospectively rewrite laws to incorporate items not previously covered.

The SPL rules variously required disclosure of all contract of service matters and all payments from a club to a player.

It would now appear that these are to be rewritten to incorporate non-contractual loans from independent third parties and other non-contractual matters.

If this is the case then press comment over the past few years would appear to indicate that several clubs other than Rangers may well have fallen foul of the soon to be changed historic laws.

It would also appear that the SPL is once again seeking to invest itself with a power of retrospective penalty beyond that prescribed in its own rules.

Much has been said and written about EBTs. It should be noted that the tax treatment of these is an issue as yet unresolved and it is wrong to prejudge the outcome.

It must be stressed that the tax tribunal will determine the appropriate tax treatment in respect of the arrangements operated.

This is not a criminal matter and there is presently no question as to the legality of these schemes.

Rangers agreed contracts of employment with its players (and staff). The EBT scheme involved the contribution of funds into an offshore discretionary trust managed by independent trustees.

The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.

There was no contractual or beneficial entitlement to the funds on the part of any individual and the monies paid to EBTs were not “remuneration” in terms of any rules applying to the Club.

Since 2001 when the EBT scheme was introduced, the amounts contributed were disclosed in the audited financial statements of the Club. These audited accounts were provided to the SFA and SPL as required.

As the law stands, it is the right of every taxpayer to minimise his tax liability.

For example, taxpayers are entitled to maximise contributions to pension funds and benefit from the resultant tax allowances. Tax AVOIDANCE is a right. It is tax EVASION which is a crime.

In December 2010, as a result of legislation changes introduced by HMRC, EBTs were rendered tax inefficient. Thereafter the Club made no further contributions to EBTs.

For the avoidance of doubt, many thousands of employees in many areas of business and commerce have benefited from EBTs.

Rangers sought only to provide financial security for players (and staff) within the rules of law and football. To suggest that this amounted to cheating in the sporting context is an allegation which is without any foundation.

I, of course, wish the “new” Rangers every success for the future. I have no doubt that the present generation of players and staff will make a positive and beneficial contribution to the SPL and, in due course, return the Club to a position of pre-eminence in Scottish football.

However, I am determined to support those who served the Club with such dignity and integrity during my stewardship.”

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Smell the glovePosted on4:10 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Who let The Ego back out of the box? Is something big is about to break? He sounds terrified.

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JJPosted on4:10 pm - Aug 6, 2012


“The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.”

And when will a list of the interest paid, as well as repayments of the “loans”, be published?

(Hint : Don’t hold your breath guys)

Is SDM getting all brave since RTC hvng up his keyboard?

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weeronPosted on4:11 pm - Aug 6, 2012


The problems at Rangers have brought no credit to Scottish football and are a tragedy for the Club and for all those connected with it and who support it. They cannot be condoned and it is appropriate that there should be a proportionate penalty for the Club for the events over the last year.

OVER THE LAST YEAR????????

This man’s gall knows no bounds…..!

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CEPosted on4:13 pm - Aug 6, 2012


‘Non-contractual loan’. 😆

Just give it up Davie Boy, Wee Billy’s already blown this ship out the water in a bid to save his seat on the Gravy Train.

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Charlie BrownPosted on4:13 pm - Aug 6, 2012


It’s already a matter of record that Hector has disagreed with the validity of these non-contractual “loans” …………….. I wonder how many loan & interest repayments have been made?
I wonder why he didn’t talk about the second contracts er I mean ‘letters of intent’ …………..

I wonder how long it will take for these Murray myths to be finally and decisively punctured?

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Smell the glovePosted on4:14 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Dignity? Dodgy Dave is a riot. Who would buy a used car from this man?

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essexbeancounterPosted on4:14 pm - Aug 6, 2012


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Statement (edited)

I have decided to issue this statement because of the concerns which I have at the continuing attempts “to inflict further punishment” on Rangers Football Club.
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EJ……..thank you for the post, but my edit still shows the “punishment” mentality of all concerned with RFC(IA).

Surely they do need need any formal education to understand the difference between “consequences” of one’s actions, and laid down in the SFA rules and “punishment” in respect of those actions, laid down by an independent group or body.

Again, may I ask, what punishment(s) does he have in mind?

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stevensanphPosted on4:15 pm - Aug 6, 2012


It would now appear that these are to be rewritten to incorporate non-contractual loans from independent third parties and other non-contractual matters.

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so he is going to fight this on a technicality? The only problem for Murray is, that once the FTT returns a verdict, it will determine that the ‘non contractual loans’ were anything but and in actual fact formed part of the players contractual pay. And as thus should have been declared under SPL rules

The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.

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yet no repayments have been made? I am sure the creditors of Rangers IA are over the moon that all loans carried interest and repayment dates. There should be plenty to go around for all the creditors then? Right?

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BrendaPosted on4:15 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Smell the glove @16:10pm

🙂 hope so!!

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aramintamoobeamqcPosted on4:15 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Seems an odd time to be issuing a statement. Makes me VERY suspicious that the FTT verdict is incoming.

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jheelyeaterPosted on4:16 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Having followed the saga of Rangers (IA)’s financial mismanagement and benefitting from the withholding of taxes to the British public, I have long given up on the possibility that the Rangers tribute team would behave any better after their parachute into the SFL Division 3. However, with the persistent campaign by this group of scoundrels, including this shameful statement from the disgraced former owner, it’s now time to advocate the expulsion from Scottish football of the team which pretends to be Rangers. Nothing short of this will achieve the necessary cleansing of the game in this wee country.

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obonfanti88Posted on4:16 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Minty’s “I am not a crook” moment.

Nixon didn’t last long either.

Bad news MUST be on the way for the Sevcovians.

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Smell the glovePosted on4:16 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Is Dodgy Dave speaking out now as he’s had it confirmed that the cover up is complete? The SFA need a cover up otherwise they’ll all be found out. But what about the FTTT result. How you gonna fix that you cheating, lying scum?

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loamfeetPosted on4:17 pm - Aug 6, 2012


“The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.”

That is certainly what it should say on the tin.

Maybe somebody should ask Billy Dodds next time he is on Sportsound when he is due to pay back his EBT loan completely and how much he has paid back to date.

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tomtomPosted on4:23 pm - Aug 6, 2012


So,

“It would now appear that these are to be rewritten to incorporate non-contractual loans from independent third parties and other non-contractual matters.”

Sorry David but they weren’t loans, even Billy Dodds has confirmed this.

“If this is the case then press comment over the past few years would appear to indicate that several clubs other than Rangers may well have fallen foul of the soon to be changed historic laws.”

Name and shame David. If you mean Celtic then say so.

“The trustees could and did make loans to individuals carrying interest with scheduled repayment dates.”

So we can look forward to these loans being repaid?

“There was no contractual or beneficial entitlement to the funds on the part of any individual and the monies paid to EBTs were not “remuneration” in terms of any rules applying to the Club.”

So Billy Dodds is lying?

” Tax AVOIDANCE is a right. It is tax EVASION which is a crime”

Spot on here David. Looking forward to your upcoming trial

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john clarkePosted on4:25 pm - Aug 6, 2012


” Always believe the party comrade and never the enemy”-A Hitler., 1931.

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Charlie BrownPosted on4:25 pm - Aug 6, 2012


They will go to their graves denying that they cheated or covered anything up even though the law and an over-zealous taxman and spiteful football authorities eventually decide otherwise.

They will vigorously attempt to maintain and defend their dignity & integrity at every turn – they cannot admit anything different …………..but they admit they deserve to be punished for Craig Whyte’s 10 months in charge.

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Scotland BehavePosted on4:28 pm - Aug 6, 2012


“Since 2001 when the EBT scheme was introduced, the amounts contributed were disclosed in the audited financial statements of the Club. These audited accounts were provided to the SFA and SPL as required”.

Audited Accounts!?? really David ??

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jonnyodPosted on4:31 pm - Aug 6, 2012


I do believe that JAB said lately that when the contract was placed in front of him at ragers he refused to sign it at first as it was not the same wage figure he had agreed ,He was then told that the rest was to be paid via an EBT and he was still hesitant until he was advised all was ok .
Can’t remember which paper it was in but was in the last month only .
I agree bad news must be on the way when Minty feels the need to put this out .I also notice it’s a statement ,what’s up Dave not wanting any awkward questions ,he must be losing his grip on the LL

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obonfanti88Posted on4:31 pm - Aug 6, 2012


so Dodgy Dave says he’s never ever lied about Rangers.

how’s that Super Casino coming along Minty?

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goosyPosted on4:31 pm - Aug 6, 2012


If Murrays defence is that no rules were broken he is effectively accusing the SPL/SFA of collusion
This stance can only be defended by providing hard evidence
Step forward CO, confenss all and resig in disgust at the denials of everybody else

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The Young Chevalier (@Glenfinnan)Posted on4:32 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Murray’s statement. Nothing new. Essentially the case presented at the FTT. The fact that no loans repaid is a matter for the individuals and the ‘independent’ trust seems to be the incredulous defence. HMRC have determined tax is due because these payments were renumeration. This remuneration was not recorded in the players’ contracts.

An interesting reference to the RFC audited accounts by Murray. If you read the accounts it states that payments were made to a trust for ’employees, former employees, partners and service providers’. Whatever can that mean? Eh Walter, Graham, Alex?

The audited accounts do not form part of the player registration process but are to comply SFA rules, entirely distinct from each other. How could one infer that payments to former employees, partners and service providers had anything to do with additional payments to players?

If there is anything new then there is an attempt to influence the background noise. The FTT decision rejects the appeal but we acted in ‘good faith’, enough is enough. This line started early with Traynor?

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tearsofjoyPosted on4:43 pm - Aug 6, 2012


From (-S) DM today – It would now appear that these are to be rewritten to incorporate non-contractual loans from independent third parties and other non-contractual matters.

Can we now at last see someone from the MSM contact him and the other 70 plus EBT recipients and simply ask – when were these loans repiad and if not yet repaid , when will they be repaid.

In addition , why did RFC RIP give loans to individuals who no longer had a connection with the club .

But then we know it aint ever gonna happen.

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Scotland BehavePosted on4:45 pm - Aug 6, 2012


The Young Chevalier (@Glenfinnan) says:
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If there is anything new then there is an attempt to influence the background noise. The FTT decision rejects the appeal but we acted in ‘good faith’, enough is enough. This line started early with Traynor?
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Agree 100%. There is bad news on its way. They will contest that they acted in good faith, were advised that it was legal and above board and were given a bum steer by Hector and all at HMRC duped and decieved them. We are all good guys really, time to draw a line under it all.

Yeah right David.

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Domaine JessiaumePosted on4:47 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Once the FTT decision is out there and in the terms expected by many, certain people will have no credibility.

If you think (or happen to know) that such an announcement is imminent, best to fill the headlines with stories of no cheating and no criminality.

It is interesting that he speaks out when his personal legacy is challenged. This was an unforeseen consequence of the dodging of debts, which came about in large part due to RTC. He did not expect scrutiny of these matters.

The whole “bayoneting the wounded” thing is a little off too. First of all, and I am no military historian, I believe there to be a perceived paradox about such a practice – it is both evil (the wounded man is defenceless and suffering) and at the same time compassionate (to put a wounded soldier out of his misery.)

Whatever Murray intended to mean, his choice of phrase is startlingly inept. To compare a tax dodging, mismanaged corporate car crash with the fate of a soldier on the battlefield is at best crass and at worse downright insulting.

The statement of a man who will soon not be able to make himself heard anymore.

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Domaine JessiaumePosted on4:50 pm - Aug 6, 2012


obonfanti88 says:
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Minty’s “I am not a crook” moment.

Nixon didn’t last long either.

Bad news MUST be on the way for the Sevcovians.
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Precisely. Superb. Concise.

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Jimbo milliganPosted on4:51 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Murray’s statement. Nothing new. Essentially the case presented at the FTT.

Why repeat it now ? Especially if you know you are going to lose the case ?

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Charlie BrownPosted on4:53 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Socrates on the Hearts forum makes an erudite point.

[quote name=’Socrates’ timestamp=’1344267563′ post=’3081572′]
Lots of water-muddying going on here. This is straightforward – the SPL have charged Rangers, and Rangers have pleaded not guilty. The independent commission will now look at it and come to a verdict, which is pretty likely to be guilty as charged.

It is interesting that nobody has sued the BBC for the Daly documentary yet, though, isn’t it? Can’t imagine why not.

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campsiejoePosted on4:58 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Having re-read Murray’s statement, I have a few question for him

1 If the payments to beneficiaries were not contractual, on what basis were the payments paid

2 Were all contractual payments to be made detailed in the contracts lodged with the authorities

3 Were payments to the trust funded by deductions from the the players contracted salaries

4 If the answer to 3 is no, where did the payments to the trust come from, on what basis were they made, and how were they calculated

Those will do to start with

The man is asking us to believe, that effectively RFC (IA), made payments to a trust, out of the goodness of its heart, as there was no contractual obligation

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BlindsummitPosted on5:01 pm - Aug 6, 2012


This nonsense has gone far enough. SDM, Sally, Green these Rangers groups, need to be taken to court to explain their ludicrous and dangerous lies. Has no-one got the cojones to sue for defamation, or incitement to violence etc? If this were any other club, they would have been instantly expelled from their newly minted SFA membership etc. Is this really the 21st century in Scotland? Can these peepul really be allowed to get away with this? My blood boils, it really does.

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Charlie BrownPosted on5:04 pm - Aug 6, 2012


campsiejoe says:
August 6, 2012 at 16:58

I think as always he’s expecting everybody to accept and believe his version of events without too much critical thinking, questioning or examination of it’s validity.

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BarcabhoyPosted on5:06 pm - Aug 6, 2012


On 28 July 2001, Rangers played Aberdeen at Pittodrie. Rangers won the game 3-0. Making his league debut that day was a German who would later go on to become General Manager of Bayern Munich, Christian Nerlinger. He also scored one of the goals. That game against Aberdeen marked the first game where the EBT scheme that is the subject of the ‘Big Tax Case’ interfered with the Scottish Premier League.
Harper McLeod should take a look at Nerlinger’s contract filed with the SFA. Next they should obtain Nerlinger’s contract documents and payment history from Rangers FC (IA)’s administrators. Comparing the contract to the payment history alone will expose payments of well in excess of £1 million that are not listed on his SFA-registered contract. There is your prima facie case, Mr. Doncaster. There is no need to investigate any further to demonstrate that Rangers have a case to answer and that an independent inquiry is required.

The above was posted by RTC in an article in May. It is specific and it is accusatory. Murray should come out and be as specific in a denial.

However, he won’t . Partly because he won’t take questions, and partly because when the FTT report, the Internet Bampots and the legal tribunal will be perfectly aligned.

Comical Ali said it best. “there are no American Tanks here, none , it’s a fabrication” . We all know what happened 2 hours later.

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obonfanti88Posted on5:07 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Mark Daly unimpressed with Minty’s State of the Nation address
Mark Daly ‏@markdaly2
The suggestion that EBT “loans” were ever supposed to be paid back is contradicted by the evidence the BBC has seen and broadcast.
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Roland BrownPosted on5:08 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Mark Daly ‏@markdaly2

The suggestion that EBT “loans” were ever supposed to be paid back is contradicted by the evidence the BBC has seen and broadcast.

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Itsagoal!Posted on5:08 pm - Aug 6, 2012


a wonderful tweet from ‏@PadraigBrigada

David Murray is a bit like that Italian captian Francesco Schettino that crashed his ship. Then got off first and claimed he was blameless

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Smell the glovePosted on5:12 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Dodgy Dave’s statement is aimed at pacifying the peasants. The revolution is happening. It just isn’t being televised, broadcast or reported with honesty and integrity yet.

Rankers fans in the media are shooting themselves in the head with their lies and misrepresentation of the facts.

It might not seem funny right now but it is hilarious. There’s a tsunami (FTTT result/BDO/Police enquiries) coming and it’s taking no prisoners.

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redlichtiePosted on5:12 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Statement (edited)

Murray : “I have decided to issue this statement because of the concerns which I have at the continuing attempts “to inflict further punishment” on Rangers Football Club.”

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To SDM :

RFC went bust due in large part to your ‘mismanangement’ and a claimed propensity to be ‘duped’. In truth, the last year of RFC’s operation was just the final nail in the coffin.

A meaningless 10 point penalty and an unpaid fine was imposed for bringing the game into disrepute.

Everything, everything else flows from going bust. Loss of the SPL position, a ban from Europe, a ‘flexible’ transfer embargo and entry into Divison Three – this latter matter achieved without the need for a proper competitive application process.

All of this is not an attempt to “inflict further punishment” and I am certain that you know that.

An upcoming announcement from the FTT will in all likelihood confirm your and RFC’s mis-use of the EBT scheme. Further, it will also most likely identify payments made to persons who were no longer in the employ of RFC. It will be interesting to hear the justifications for such payments.

/ Red Lichtie

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BeePosted on5:14 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Looks to me like our david was waiting for RTC to stop blogging before he came out with his next piece for the succulent lamb munchers. Does he really think the internet bampots are going to leave him alone now ??

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on5:14 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Mark Daly ‏@markdaly2
The suggestion that EBT “loans” were ever supposed to be paid back is contradicted by the evidence the BBC has seen and broadcast.

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goosyPosted on5:16 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Heres the Scam
No doubt cooked up by CO, Regan and Donkey with the PR coordinated between CO and SDM

The first ploy by the SPL is to fudge the definition of wrongdoing away from improper registration of contracts to “not paying tax to HMRC on EBTs”
The next ploy from SDM is to claim the EBT scheme was run properly as a legitimate non contractural loan to players and therefore not necessary to disclose as it was not a cotractural payment and also assert that loans don`t count anyway as income

This sets the scene for an “Oops” moment by SDM
“Oh Dear”
“HMRC are saying the EBT scheme was not run properly”
“This is a dreadful mistake The individuals and the Trust will have to resolve this promptly.
I will give HMRC every cooperation to ensure these taxes are repaid”

But Surely
The SPL/SFA accept that it was all done by RFC in good faith?

Therefore no penalty is appropriate for simply not running an EBT scheme properly?
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The real culprit in this is the SPL
All they have to do is re-assert that all forms of payments including loans need to be declared under FIFA rules Tax avoidance or tax evasion is nothing to do with the legality of player contracts
so a modest slap on the risk and a large non transferable fine on RFC(deid) is appropriate
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if there is a public outcry then the SPL may back off
But in the background CO will be sitting ready to claim that the SPL/SFA knowingly advised him that loans need not be disclosed if they were non contractural

The stitch up is on

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AllyJamboPosted on5:17 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Well that’s it lads and lasses, Sir David Murray, a knight of the realm no less,

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The JeepsterPosted on5:17 pm - Aug 6, 2012


SDM your mismanagement and lies are mainly to blame, that statement won’t even make a dent in what us football fans demand

You sir are a disgrace

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AllyJamboPosted on5:25 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Well that’s it lads and lasses, Sir David Murray, a knight of the realm no less, has made it clear there was no wrongdoing at Ibrox. I wonder how many STs that’ll help sell at Sevco? And when you consider some of the ‘coincidental connections’ that have been doing the rounds recently, involving Murray, is this him doing his bit for the cabal? After all, he’s only had six months or so to put his tuppence worth out there and chooses to do it at a pretty critical time in their ST sales! Or has he had wind of a certain result being announced soon?

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Richard CraniumPosted on5:26 pm - Aug 6, 2012


……what a coward of a man…….blaming the farce that is RFC on events of just this past year…..he takes the public for fools………recall his mystery visit to MurrayPark just before admin to “visit the doctor”!!!!!!!!! Whatever was that all about?……..makin sure amc got the story right……events have overtaken this chancer……thats all he was a chancer with a great line in credit……..he might be in crutchies, but he has some pair o ‘ baws on him .

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loamfeetPosted on5:30 pm - Aug 6, 2012


The thing that bothers me is not so much what Murray believes to be the case. He is an actor who was heavily involved in this story so of course his opinion should be sought and is in the public interest to publish.

No, what bothers me is that he is given a free platform to say whatever he wishes with absolutely no questioning or rebuttal. Why is his statement being published in full on newspaper web sites? Isn’t that the job of his own public relations people? The press should be reading the statement, breaking it down, requesting interviews, seeking clarification and maybe – god forbid – contradicting some of the content if it is erroneous.

You could practically hear the bowing, scraping and forelock tugging from the members of the press when his pre-announcement announcement broke earlier today. They whispered to each other like an operatic chorus all morning. Where is he? When will he speak? What will he say? Fair play to Murray, why wouldn’t you indulge in such dramatics if you can get away with it? The astounding thing is that he continues to get away with it even now.

I am re-reading the Oz books just now and I cannot help but think of a glaring similarity.

The Great Oz has spoken! (Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)

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VegaPosted on5:35 pm - Aug 6, 2012


McCoist – “I’m under the impression that there’s absolutely no dual contracts, so therefore I’ve been told that it’s probably a complete waste of time”

Well that’s cleared that up. Would you really want this man making statements on behalf of your club?

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jockybhoyPosted on5:38 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Certainly seems to me that the “The Rangers” fans joint (I assume they were smoking something) announcement was a media barrage to soften the ground and determine the resistance before Murray’s ground-troop disclaimer that nothing untoward happened under his stewardship. Move along, nothing to see here….

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

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rabPosted on5:39 pm - Aug 6, 2012


So minty

You are telling us you sold a business with a shrinking 18mil debt, with 120mil worth of assets and a squad of internationals about to compete in the easier CL qualifying rounds, and with countless interest accruing loans to be paid back.

Furra pounda.

Ya walloper.

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bect67Posted on5:40 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Sorry, SDM – your Titanic hiz sunk!

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Fan ClubPosted on5:49 pm - Aug 6, 2012


If the loans from the EBT all have repayment dates, to whom does the money go to once the “loans” are repaid? (note the sarcasm)

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metanightPosted on5:58 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Have to assume the FTT verdict is almost upon us.

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Smell the glovePosted on5:59 pm - Aug 6, 2012


Vega says:

August 6, 2012 at 17:35

McCoist – “I’m under the impression that there’s absolutely no dual contracts, so therefore I’ve been told that it’s probably a complete waste of time”
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This is how stupid he thinks the rankers fans are. He has no respect for them or us. The man is a complete fud and a sh*t manager. How many trophies, Sall? He’s being used and manipulated. Chaz n Dave, chaz in one ear, dave in the other, giving it, rabbit, rabitt, bunny ,bunny.

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There’s Only One Willie MillerPosted on6:01 pm - Aug 6, 2012


So Sir Minty of Moonbeam has finally come out of hiding to speak out of his rear end.

Why now – he wouldn’t have heard the result of the big tax case would he?

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jonnyodPosted on6:01 pm - Aug 6, 2012


I am gutted I believed RTC but it now looks like I’ve been DUPED

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