The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog (RTC). The aim of the Scottish Football Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media (MSM).
Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.
The cosy relationship that has existed between the media and people at the top of Scottish Football has dissuaded those who may otherwise be moved to blow the whistle on wrongdoing. The Scottish Football Monitor aims, through time, and by winning the trust of ordinary fans, to fill a gap in the football media in Scotland that has been up to now filled only by RTC.
The Rangers FC saga, its consequences, and consequences of the accompanying stream of untruths and misdirection fed to us by the MSM is far from over. RTC was successful in getting the previously buried truth of the Rangers tax case into the mainstream despite a hostile MSM reaction. The Scottish Football Monitor hopes to use the skills and expertise of those in our community to a cast light on matters that those in authority would have concealed, or at least present alternative arguments to those being presented as having none.
Scottish Football Monitor asks contributors to remember only a few things;
1. The site is not the domain of any one club and is open to fans of all clubs.
2. Absolutely no discussion with regard to religion should take place.
3. Posters should refrain from using foul or abusive language.
Welcome to The Scottish Football Monitor
GeordieJag says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:50
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not as good as being the oldest football club in Scotland (as well as Glasgow) tho is it 🙂
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:29
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Insofar as this site will have to diversify if it is to survive, I totally agree. But so far, I don’t see that anyone has come up with something else that has grabbed the headlines. There are certainly many topics of discussion. Equally the Rangers/The Rangers debacle is still an out and out front-runner. It’s no good expecting other people to write your copy for you. If you want to talk about something then do so but remember that other people have the right to not be interested. That-s not to say that you are wrong and they are right. But not all subjects will gain wider appeal unless you can convince with your argument. In short, put up or shut up.
amurkypath says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:18
Lord wobbly,
It’s not up to me to start a topic for debate.
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I feel your pain but as openly profess to be part of the club called now called TRFC, why don’t you kick off a debate by writing about what your opinion is on RFC paying staff through the PAYE payroll and at the same time paying them through a poorly (poorly’s not the right word) managed EBT scheme. I’m sure this would get a debate started.
amurkypath says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:50
You don’t need me to tell you, the template is there for all to see.
No serious TV money for the clubs!
The FAI makes the money from the International games and distributes down the chain.
The Summer league is a huge success. No competition from the PL etc
I’m not saying it would work in Scotland, I don’t know, just throwing it out there
One of the unintentional, but positive, effects of RTC and SFM blogs has been that the MSM RFCIASTBL ‘sympathisers’ are now fully exposed, as there is no hiding place.
Accordingly, having been driven from ‘the closet’, they are brazen in their support – thinking that somehow this will somehow benefit Rangers (their term, not ours).
Justice WILL prevail and is an unstoppable train.
Also, I’m sure CG, with HMRC etc watching, would not thank Chico for pronouncing the attendance to be ‘at least 50,000’ (official attendance 38,160)
Lord Wobbly says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:33
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Just to give BowenBoys and amurkypath a bit of support, since we moved over to this site, I read a good number of first time posters saying that they’d lurked on RTC for ages but didn’t feel confident enough to post. Shirley some of you have something that you want to discuss. We don’t bite (well not all of the time) and if you’ve read any of my posts you will already know that you don’t need to be Stuart Cosgrove or Mark Daly or RTC or Alex Thomson in order to make a point. Even Bomber was prepared to stand up and say his piece
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Picking through the grammar, I’m not sure if the comments, above, about first-time posters and RTC lurkers is intended to refer to me. If so, wrong on both counts. Read this comment
BowenBoys says:
August 6, 2012 at 22:24
and, please, anybody, COMMENT
Malky says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:50
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ah but you need to get through moderation and infrequent posters are more likely to have a post denied eg 5 times for me tonight?!!so it looks like a closed shop 4 the usual contributors !!
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Believe me Malky, I have similar problems.
TSFM – are the constant password requests really necessary?
And is there any reason why newbies struggle to get going? Is it a WordPress thing?
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:29
‘…Regarding anonymity, it would be possible for those with a public face to continue posting with anonymity, as I’m sure many do now. ‘
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Being able to post in anonymity ( as TSFM the person does at the moment, and as RTC the person did) is one thing.
But to go public with one’s own personal name as the authorised spokesperson for ‘TSFM blog’ would be something, I would imagine, that tsfm ( or whoever) would have to think about very carefully: as would any group of individuals who wished to be the ‘executive’ of the ‘TSFM blog’ charged with the duty of furthering the aims of the blog.
I’m not even sure that TSFM-the- person knows the actual identities of his present volunteers or anything other than the email address they use for posting on the blog.
And that is perfectly understandable.
Would you, for example, be prepared to write to ,say, the CEO of the SFA, or to CG using your real name , and, as the authorised spokesperson for ‘TSFMthe Blog’, asking, say, why CO had not been asked to resign? Or how exactly were certain of the players who played against Brechin were registered and with which ‘club’?
That’s the difficulty. Public profile is needed for public dialogue (.And of election to office would need a registered membership , and elections and so on.And some funding!
The question is: would the gains in doing that be worth the effort, or would any move to create a ‘corporeal organisation’ weaken the blog, by being just another ‘Supporters Direct’ or a particular club’s supporters’ club ?
I don’t doubt that TSFM will have read your posts and will read this one and any others on the topic.He ( she?) has provided a more direct contact point.
Personally, I’m happy enough with things as they are at the moment.
But I’m not to keen on the ‘we should do this’ or ‘somebody should do that’ kind of post without the addition of ‘and I am willing to assist and here is my proposal’.
amurkypath
It would seem this blog is not really for you
you dont want to listen to anything regarding the ongoing situation at Ibrox
and would rather we diverted our attention elsewhere .
Sorry ,but this story is just coming to the boil ,is that the bit you dont like ?
Many of us on here have followed this from the start and I can assure you we will see
it through to the end ,it wont be long now so just be patient with our little fixation
amurkypath @ 22:50
I don’t know if you have ever had a look through the RTC blog, and the posts that accompanied it
Believe me we had some real ding dongs over topics like gate sharing, summer football, TV income distribution, voting rights and so many more
If you have a topic you want to discuss, throw it in here, and don’t worry if you feel its controversial
You won’t be torn apart by the wolves, unless you resort to abusing other posters, or worst of all commit the sin of trolling
However, as long as Murray and the supporters groups for example, continue to release the type of statements that they have over the last few days, Sevco is going to remain the main topic of discussion
So come on in, join the rest of the bampots, and have your say like what we do 🙂
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August 7, 2012 at 14:09
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Apologies, I haven’t caught up with every subsequent post and this may have already been covered but as a CFC fan I am humbled by the comments Danish has posted today. My question for myself is ‘were the shoe on the other foot’ would I say what he has ? It takes a big man to do so.
Not for the first time I think ‘well done’ Danish.
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:02
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Lord Wobbly says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:33
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Picking through the grammar,
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While you’re not really helping your cause with that sort of comment, I have risen above it and followed your suggestion to look back at your post. 63 readers have given you the thumbs up. Why has nobody engaged further? You’d need to ask them, but maybe, just maybe, they feel that there are more important matters at hand.
Anyway, just for you, I will repost your post….
BowenBoys says:
August 6, 2012 at 22:24
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THE FUTURE Of TSFM
I have read various Mission Statements on TSFM. “Asking the
questions the media don’t ask.”, “The aim of the Scottish Football
Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish
Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media
(MSM).”, “The MSM have provided no sensible checks and balances
on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor
aims to provide those checks and balance.”, “The Scottish Football
Monitor is following the lead of Rangers Tax Case in an attempt to
hold the Scottish mainstream press to account and to question. If
they do not ask the difficult questions, we will.”
Early days, I know, but how do we think it’s going?
There is still a stream of articles in the MSM spouting lies and
incorrect information and, recently advertising Rangers season
ticket sales. All in the name of journalism. Incredible.
Without TSFM I would not know a lot of this stuff (big shout out to
Stunney!).
Raising awareness amongst ourselves, however, is not enough.
We should all be emailing editors and journalists to point out
these, no doubt unintended, errors. Most of us don’t have time to
search for the right address to send to (a Keyboard Warrior’s got
to eat). If there was an accurate list of email addresses
somewhere on this site it would be easy for us all to copy & paste
to provide checks and balances to editors and journalists while at
the same time, by namechecking TSFM, raising it’s profile
Email addresses also for all club chairmen, broadcasting
producers, governing bodies. Make the site into a resource for
fans of our game (you know, 11 against 11)
There has been talk recently about inviting Stuart Cosgrove to do
a guest blog. A good idea. Why not ask somebody like Cosgrove
to conduct interviews with journos, club chairmen, former club
chairmen, heads of football authorities, broadcasting companies.
Those interviews to be published here. Refusals to be published
here. Again, raising the profile.
You see where I’m going here? Raise the profile of TSFM.
Raise the profile and TSFM becomes a real player in the name of
truth and integrity. TSFM applies for press accreditation (however
that works). Then we are asking the questions. All answers
published here. The greater the profile, the bigger the question.
An annual award ceremony, with an award for good journalism
and another for hack of the year. Raise the profile. The higher the
profile the more truth will be heard.
The idea, posted here, of a newspaper boycott. Hvndreds of
emails to editors or publishers detailing inaccuracies, notifying
dates boycott will be carried out. Orchestrated under the umbrella of TSFM.
There must be more we can do.
Any other ideas? How do we achieve them?
campsiejoe says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:17
Well said 🙂
Obviously its not that I don’t want to listen. I’ve just heard it time after time after time until I’ve had enough. Please just tell me what the end game is. The end of Rangers?, the end of msm or the suspension of time. All completely out with your sphere of influence. At least I tried to entertain a sub topic with you but as i predicted kicking Rangers will always get between us. I loved the RTC blog but this is a poor relative and helps no one
amurkypath, despite having bugger all to say about anything, you seem to have no trouble with everyone suddenly discussing yourself. YAWN. If it’s a choice between reading crap about you or rankers (old or new), give me them over you anyday.
campsiejoe says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:17
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amurkypath @ 22:50
I don’t know if you have ever had a look through the RTC blog,
and the posts that accompanied it
Believe me we had some real ding dongs over topics like gate
sharing, summer football, TV income distribution, voting rights and so many more
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You call them ding dongs but I’m sure they were merely lulls inbetween the heated mouldmaster and music rammies 😀
PL , RTC
Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!
amurkypath @ 23:22
There you go, in your eyes it’s all about kicking poor Sevco
The ultimate aim is to try and shine a light on the corruption and double dealing that lies at the very heart of the governance of our game
The end game as you put it, is to see justice and fair play applied across the board
Clubs can be thrown out of competitions for a missing signature, but right now there is a campaign underway to have any punishment waived, if it is proved that RFC (IA) fielded improperly registered players over a period of ten years
That cannot be allowed to happen
Lord Wobbly @ 23:25
You forgot the fish and cocktails 🙂
Time I was in bed methinks
amurkypath says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:02
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Justinians,
I’m also smart and wise enough to know there are other ways to skin a rabbit. My point is you will not gain success by continually repeating the same crimes of Rangers between yourselves.
Eventuality no one will listen.
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Are you suggesting that there are new Rangers crimes to be discussed?
If so, I’m listening…and reading…
The end game for me is to see justice prevail as per the rule book after the conclusion of all
outstanding issues are dealt with .There are many many outstanding issues ,this is not about kicking Rfc* and for you to take that line exposes you as an apologist for the wrong doings that have occured .These are the words of Traynor Chico McCoist and Murray ,if you have had enough then leave, its that simple.
Amurkypath.
The blog is not just focussed on rfc and the cheating and cover ups and fawning media.
We are also focussed on Trfc and all the cheating and cover ups and fawning media.
We also focus on anyone involved in any cover ups.
And we expose any fawning media.
Plenty of topics.
Hi all, first time I’ve ever posted since I started reading RTC a year but feel I have to support the posters pointing out the fact that ‘Rangers’ are simply the biggest story in Scottish football worth discussing at the moment.
This is not because there are lots of people who want to ‘flog a dead horse’ or have ‘little digs’ at a club who are ‘having a hard time’. It is because this club, in whichever incarnation you choose to believe it exists, has been and is still presently at the centre of the most fiendishly perpetrated charade the game may have ever seen.
The scope of the charges allayed against this club are so vast and encompassing that there are few areas of Scottish football which have not been affected by them in some manner and many which are considerably damaged by their lack of ethics, morality and responsibility. This is not a tale which will die into myth anytime soon and until there are other issues with such a breadth and depth of impact upon the game going on then they shall continue to be discussed at length.
As things stand, a club has shed millions of pounds of debt, shafting many other businesses and clubs in the country whilst all the while pointing the finger of blame wherever they can and fielding an SPL team in the 4th tier of Scottish football. Hard time? They are being given a free pass through the lower leagues and will come into the SPL soon enough with a minimal wage bill (for the SPL) and reap the benefits, most likely still without an apology from the guilty parties involved.
Sadly Scottish football cannot be discussed in it’s entirety whilst these villains continue to violate the integrity of our game.
As has been pointed out in replies, the way to discuss other issues is to discuss other issues, not to moan or attempt to derail a discussion about another issue which lies at the very heart of how Scottish football itself exists in present day.
I do feel some sympathy for Rangers fans as it was never their choice to risk the club on questionable accounting methods and nefarious practices. I am sure they long to hear the end of this but that will never be until the facts are fully disclosed and justice brought to bear on those responsible for despoiling a football giant for personal glory to the detriment of the Scottish game.
Now, it’s taken me ages to write that and try to sound halfway articulate as my frustration with this whole saga makes me rant! I’m not a hater by any means but I cannot abide the prevalent attitude coming from this club and it’s fans. You cannot make this go away by telling us there are other issues to discuss of equal importance, that’s just not the case.
Curiously, the mention of Dundee United being charged by UEFA did pique my interest enough to goto the BBC site and read the story as the implication that it could have serious effect on how Europe perceives Scottish football interested me. From what I’ve read on it and heard from others, it’s not much of a story frankly as violence at Scottish grounds or involving Scottish teams in Europe isn’t a great concern of theirs due to its infrequent nature. Looks like the Russians will be under the microscope more for this one.
Unless of course they assess recent previous incidents of violence at European matches involving Scottish teams, there was this one club see……….. 😉
john clarke says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:07
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Thanks john
I respect your views.
I suppose that what I am suggesting is that, given it’s mission statements, it needs to rise above being ‘TSFM the blog’ and become TSFM.
If everybody is happy with ‘TSFM the blog’ continuing the way it is then so be it but it should drop the mission statements because they wont make sense.
I have been driving this agenda because I have become increasingly frustrated about where the site is, or isn’t going.
Is such a development worth it? It depend on whether we really are seeking answers or are happy to talk about seeking answers. It seems to me that TSFM is becoming a cosy club. Perhaps this is what RTC foresaw. I guess I have been trying to shake it up to see what the underlying mood is. At the moment it seems that most people are happy the way things are. In my opinion the weakening of this blog will be a natural consequence.
I’m grateful for your input.
Regards
Sorry if this has ready been asked, I was just wondering what the HSE would have to say about 14000+ fans sneaking into football matches in this day and age. This surely can’t go on at any football ground now after all the terrible disasters that over crowding contributed too.
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Para Handy says: August 6, 2012 at 23:32
Good; thank you for asking, although office too close to some of the Soho pubs…
BowenBoys says: August 7, 2012 at 00:44
MARSHALL Struan WMG Management 33 Soho Square – 5th Floor LONDON W1D 3QU
Wait a minute…..
Hehe joking aside, I work down by Borough Market and used to work on Haymarket so there’s a few decent boozers I know round there. If there’s ever a meeting of the SFM Exiles give me a shout
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Would you two stop it! It’s hard enough keeping McPhail oot the pub wi’ oot your encouragement.
Seriously, unless there is a surprise outcome from the “independent” enquiry into dual contracts then I fear that we have been blindsided.
An Herculean effort by fans across the board placed Sevco in division 3, unfairly as some of us continued to grumble, only for us to witness further shenanigans which would allow them to sign players and get an SFA membership.
We are now witnessing yet further examples of the kind of supremacism seen often in organisations like the BNP amongst other extremists. I cannot, with good heart put any effort into something which, having previously hurt me through the pettiness of those involved in what was “my” club, is now demonstrating that it cares not a whit for the concept of any kind of integrity.
Even if the “independent” enquiry does come to a surprise finding and recommend appropriate punishment, does anyone really believe, given the efforts taken to bend, break and ignore the rules, that anything will actually happen to Sevco?
All I care about in Scottish football now, is that those found responsible for cheating us by tax evasion, are subject to the full power of the law.
Not only have they stolen from the public purse, they have stolen from the very fabric of Scots’ society, stripping it of its dignity and relevance. And that, while not a civil crime per se, is as heinous an offence as any other imaginable.
I sincerely hope that a combination of Olympic success, backed up with a great Commonwealth Games in 2014, will encourage people to rid Scots sport of the monopolistic view so treasured by football.
Scots’ football is dead, deservedly.
Smell the glove says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:24
amurkypath, despite having bugger all to say about anything, you seem to have no trouble with everyone suddenly discussing yourself. YAWN. If it’s a choice between reading crap about you or rankers (old or new), give me them over you anyday.
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A bit harsh. Given time, I’m sure amurkypath will get his debate started.
amurkypath says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:22
‘Please just tell me what the end game is. The end of Rangers?..’
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No.
The end game is the flushing out of the corrupt nexus between some in the Administration of Scottish football and the club whose own corruption both in football and civic affairs damned near brought football, not only as an organised, rule-governed sport but as an aggregation of (mainly) commercial enterprises, to its knees.
And it extends to the investigation into how that nexus was, directly and indirectly, supported by some publicly funded agencies and high profile politicos who abused their position, and by the MSM.
If such flushing out means that a particular club goes into extinction by being expelled sine die from Scottish Football, that may for some be an unfortunate consequence,but no more than ‘collateral damage’ as the military might say, not the prime objective.
If it also means the sacking of partisan ( but paid by us) cheerleaders who tell porkies on BBC radio about crowd attendance ,or about personal involvement in EBTs ,that too( two ‘o’s) will be collateral damage, over which I personally would not grieve if I were the one who fired the missile. …
Would it be in bad taste to continue asking questions over the actualite of when the SFA registered the players that Sevco signed today? Two were on the bench at a game that was orginally scheduled to take place three or four days ago. Is this permissable within the rules?
For the avoidance of doubt, the SFA should clarify this and the similar questions raised over the players Mr Black & Mr Little at Sevco’s previous game. Were they or were they not “trialists”? When did the registrations take place?
We realise that the SFA have acted “in the best interests of the game” by assisting Sevco to remain in the leagues, (even if we don’t agree), but its not necessary to go to even more lengths to assist them to win their individual matches.
Some transparency please, even if its to appease those pesky intenet bampots asking the questions the media doesn’t.
This call for ‘widening of discussion’ comes at a time when investigations into RFC are gaining pace. This call also coincides with public pronouncements by key Ibrox names. Of those names who made their positions known, the one I found most revealing was McCoist and his use of the word ‘probably’. He has never admitted such naked ambiguity until now- in using the word I believe he is now covering his arse.
The strategic public attempt by Murray and his minions is one of their last throws of the dice.
Like animals backed into a corner, expect more of the same in the coming days.
They know their number is up, and no one likes that.
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:42
john clarke says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:07
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Thanks john
I respect your views.
I suppose that what I am suggesting is that, given it’s mission statements, it needs to rise above being ‘TSFM the blog’ and become TSFM.
If everybody is happy with ‘TSFM the blog’ continuing the way it is then so be it but it should drop the mission statements because they wont make sense.
I have been driving this agenda because I have become increasingly frustrated about where the site is, or isn’t going.
Is such a development worth it? It depend on whether we really are seeking answers or are happy to talk about seeking answers. It seems to me that TSFM is becoming a cosy club. Perhaps this is what RTC foresaw. I guess I have been trying to shake it up to see what the underlying mood is. At the moment it seems that most people are happy the way things are. In my opinion the weakening of this blog will be a natural consequence.
I’m grateful for your input.
Regards
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I agree. I posted on RTC that the change of direction in the tone of commemts/posts had taken in the last months of RTC’s life may have led to RTC’s decision to end it all!
Para Handy,
Very eloquent post, i hope you’re wrong on how it’ll all turn out, but you’re probably right.
Chust ask Dougie, and he’ll tell you.
MidCalderan says:
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I posted on RTC that the change of direction in the tone of comments/posts had taken in the last months of RTC’s life may have led to RTC’s decision to end it all!
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From your recent posts, I’m assuming that you would prefer that this site doesn’t go the same way. So what are you prepared to do about it?
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:29
Re: THE FUTURE OF TSFM posted August 6 at 22.24
I think that in order to develop, this site needs to begin to communicate with the outside world. Otherwise, I don’t know how it will be able to pursue its Mission Statements.
No newspaper editor is going to pick through the submissions herein on a regular basis. Even if they did they will not feel any pressure to change their editorial content.
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This I agree with, unless evidence can be produced now & again, the credibility of posts will diminish. RTC used to back up his blogs with unseen documents, in time hopefully the same will happen here.
Lord Wobbly says:
August 8, 2012 at 00:05
MidCalderan says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:58Regards
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I posted on RTC that the change of direction in the tone of comments/posts had taken in the last months of RTC’s life may have led to RTC’s decision to end it all!
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From your recent posts, I’m assuming that you would prefer that this site doesn’t go the same way. So what are you prepared to do about it?
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I’m thinking about it but need to be cautious my Lord.
BowenBoys says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:02
I read what you said on my mobile and forgot to reply later.
A situation similar to this one arose in the winter of 2009/10 when honest mistakes were rife. CQN was the forum and I got fed up everyobody girning and nobody doing, so I suggested anyone with an interest in taking action should meet.
We did and decided on action issues, but rather than try and gain critical mass ourselves (5 of us) , we saw that the CST and CSA had had a poorly attended open meeting but had called another. So we piggy backed on that and with that megaphone were able to not only make our views more widely known, but actually get a change to the Review Panel process and more tellingly had input to the Mcleish report on Governance that saw transparency and accountability remove the claim that those wanting change were paranoid.
My experience is that unless folk are prepared to walk the talk it will be like shovelling steam until it disipates. There was such a clear sense of injustice with regard to what the SFA wanted to do with Rangers there was no need for supporters of every club to meet to organise a ticket boycott. Any person with any sense of their own worth would not willingly allow themselves to be sold a pup.
I think (but may be wrong) that the sense of unfairness has dissipated to a degree and the kind of changes that are required to restore lost trust in the SFA will simply be ignored.
One such change that would protect ALL clubs including The Rangers is to tighten up the club licensing system so that there is a much greater degree of financial transparency. The ariticle outlining how appears here (as well as other suggestions)
http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=693:sfa-reform-one-down-three-to-go&catid=45:season-2010-2011&Itemid=80
and the wage calculator/business case I linked to earlier is the kind of thing that should be demanded of all clubs.
Tighten up club licensing and there is little or no wriggle room to for crooks to want to get involved in the running our game at the supporter’s expense.
amurkypath says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:22
Obviously its not that I don’t want to listen. I’ve just heard it time after time after time until I’ve had enough. Please just tell me what the end game is. The end of Rangers?, the end of msm or the suspension of time. All completely out with your sphere of influence. At least I tried to entertain a sub topic with you but as i predicted kicking Rangers will always get between us. I loved the RTC blog but this is a poor relative and helps no one
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amurkypath
You are of course spot on with the comment that the blog seems obsessed with the problems at Ibrox
I fully appreciate your view that from an RFC perspective this looks like overkill
I have to say however that many posters wished the recent debacle to herald not the end but the beginning of a new era with the club freed at last from the loonies. People who besmirch the overwhelming majority of decent fans with their extreme views and intimidatory behaviour
I can assure you that looking at the situation from outside Ibrox there is genuine concern that recent behaviour is a bad omen for the future.Throughout the RTC era there were repeated posts calling on decent RFC fans to stand up and be counted, disown the loonies and take their club back from the charlatans who had gained control
This did not happen and we now have spivs in charge under an agreement that is deliberately confidential These guys have pandered to the loonies in their first few weeks and sadly the MSM have chosen to ignore it
As long as this situation continues its resolution is every bit as important as cleaning up the corruption at Hampden and discussing other important topics
If you want to discuss other issues you are of course free to raise them If there is sufficient interest they will gain traction
In my view the RFC saga is nowhere near the end game as the spivs are only there for their own selfish interests which have not yet been realised
The money they seek as an exit price can only come from supporters and since good decent fans are in the majority that means they will be the ones to be fleeced.
If you feel this is an exaggeration then by all means ignore posters who go down that route
But that`s how we arrived at the present situation
Either way its your choice
Bowenboys
Here is a link to the kind of thing all clubs should me made to publish based on their application for a club/UEFA licence. Now THAT would be true transparency.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq2m3ggkEX2RdENOSXQ0dHh6bXo0NDFLTVZLNEMtZmc#gid=0
In the past I would read RTC with anticipation, and began reading TSFM with hope that it continues to drive out the corruption in Scottish football.
I am concerned that we are taking our eye of the ball. Let’s not forget what Regan has gotten away with. He has lied to everyone, tried to bully the SFL clubs and behind the scenes he has managed to transfer the share (because we cannot influence it), and he is now thinking that the worst is over, and he can get on with it. If we do not find a way to put more pressure on him to resign or get sacked he will just carry on as if nothing happened. We should now be writing formal letters to ask under what rules he was able to transfer the share. Instead, we are having meaningless debates (apologies, I really don’t mean that in its harshest sense). I know it is not just myself that wants more action. I know RFCIA is still the biggest show in town, but for me if you weed out the corruption in the SFA, then none of this would have happened. That is where we should be concentrating our effort now. It’s late, and a few glasses of wine, so this could all be crap! Just feel we need to keep the pressure on Regan. For me, the administrators of the rules are the failures. In all walks of life you will always get those who will break them if they think they can get away with it. Our job is to make sure they can’t and that is relevant to any club in Scotland.
Malky says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:50
‘…ah but you need to get through moderation….’
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Oddly enough, and somewhat to my embarrassment: a post of mine a wee while ago went into moderation. When I read it, I saw I had used the word ‘hvndred’. So I edited and re-posted. The edited post appeared, but then so did the original!
Readers may be forgiven for wondering whether I walked a hvndred yards or merely 80!
Goosy says:
August 8, 2012 at 00:15
“Spivs in charge” which is my perception too, hence why we need to see the money and I mean SEE the money.
What a wonderfully mixed review by the BBC of the ‘Rangers’ match tonight. If anyone care to join me, let’s break it down and look at what is being said and see if any questions can be raised.
Rangers chief executive Charles Green expressed himself proud to be involved in the club as fans packed Ibrox for the 4-0 victory over East Fife.
It was a massive crowd but the stadium wasn’t packed. There were 14,000 empty seats. A fantastic crown none-the-less but not packed.
It was the first game at Ibrox since the new owners were denied a place in the top flight and had to relaunch the club in Division Three.
Fantastic! A recognition of the truth – the club is a relaunch! I’m very impressed.
“For me, it was a real heart-warming experience,” Green told BBC Scotland.
“It has been a night to remember. I’m so, so proud to be associated with the turnaround of the club.”
If it is a new club, like the report suggests in the previous paragraph then there can be no turnaround. Perhaps Mr Green still thinks his newco is oldco, in which case, the turnaround from £140m in debt to £0 without so much as paying a penny back is not so much heart-warming as scandalous, is it not?
Green still believes that the sanctions taken against the club after the old Rangers company failed to avoid liquidation have been excessive.
Good reporting here – note the term ‘Old Rangers’ but have the Scottish Football authoriities not been kind in letting a new club skip the junior ranks and move straight into the professional set-up?
But he insisted they had a bright future after an official attendance of 38,000 watched the first-round victory in the Scottish Communities League Cup.
“I think it was an act of defiance, but I think it’s also that Rangers fans are passionate about the club,” Green said of the turnout.
An act of defiance from Rangers fans – never!
“The Rangers fans have stood by the club and stood up to everything that has been thrown at it.
So have they repayed the debt? Did I miss the Sugar Daddy Rangers Fan who stepped up to repay the debt to the nation?
“There were days in the early part of the transaction when I was really questioning first of all what had we got ourselves into and secondly was it deliverable.
So were we Charles but carry on…
“But, if ever there was a moment where I could look back and think everything was worthwhile, it was this evening.
“Having seen the support we had today, me and my investors are behind this club, we are here to stay.”
Many observers believed the attendance was greater than the official figure.
Would that be another tax avoidance scam?
“It seems to me like the old days where there were 40,000 but only 20,000 paid and the other went god knows where,” admitted the chief executive.
Old days – newco? Anyone?
Rangers are believed to be paying wages higher than most Scottish Premier League clubs to bolster their squad, but Green defended their signing policy.
“We’ve got to get players to the club for the next two seasons before the transfer ban will come in at the end of August,” he explained.
“What the manager has tried to do is put a squad together that will see us through to the end of that transfer ban.
It’s not really a damaging transfer ban – if it had come into effect immediately then yes but ‘Rangers’ have the opportunity to gather a squad to guarantee promotion this season and if it isn’t going so well next season can strengthen in January to guarantee promotion. I reckon the authorities were soft on them – or am I missing something?
“We have lost 21 players since February. In the Cup games, we have the chance to play against some of the SPL sides and we want to be competitive against them.”
Manager Ally McCoist echoed the idea that Rangers will target money-spinning cup runs.
“We are ready to play anybody in the cup,” he said.
“I’m really excited about the young guys. We’ve got three or four lads with great potential.
“But we need a blend, with experienced pros on the park to look after them.”
So here is what’s going on – and it’s quite clever. ‘Rangers’ want to win a cup because that will keep supporters interested in following the team but surely after playing SFL3 opposition week in and week out they will falter, albeit at the late stages but they will win SFA (how appropriate) other than SFL 3 which is still impressive for a club in its infancy.
McCoist was also full of praise for the supporters.
“That was absolutely fantastic,” he said. “It was a wonderful response from everybody – players and fans.
“Our support has been unbelievable and I believe we the best supporters (sic) in the country.”
Anyone reckon the good people of Manchester and the rest of Scotland will agree?
Discuss anyone?
Re the purpose and ability of the site to make a difference…
I agree that we should be trying to do more to get folk asking questions, and hence to maybe get answers or changes, but there are organisational and decision making processes involved that have yet to develop here.
It would be far too early for long standing or newer contributors to give up. With no one ‘in charge’ here it requires a mixture of patience to develop strategies and for useful information to become known. The earlier suggestion of compiling mailing lists and starting emailing or letter writing campaigns is one that we could do if enough folk agreed on a focus. Maybe we should start one, any one, to test the waters.
The site administrator(s) could start by setting up information lists and maybe a vote or two (over a month or two this time) to help focus on a campaign or two. In the meantime though, the site is still both informative and entertaining, and would attract the diversity of input required for it to sustain a long term role.
There is till lots to happen on the Sevco/RFC front, and if there are issues that folk want raised, then bring them on, – I’ m sure everyone would be interested.
Finally though, all challenges to power structures face the fact that those in power who misuse their powers are unlikely to just give it up at the first challenge. Patience please.
We should endeavour to persevere. A Clint Eastwood film quote I believe.
Sorry but amurkypath has my dnader up!
No poster on here should ever have to explain or apologise as to why 99.99% of the focus in our discussions is the conduct of the Deid Club or the Son of Deid Club. Have we not been told by all and sundry who govern our game and those cretins in the MSM that the Deid Club/Sevco entity IS Scottish Football? It is, therefore, totally appropriate that the Scottish Football Monitor principally monitors ‘Scottish Football’……. since that is where all the current problems in our game start and end.
Thoughout the nearly 70 years of my life as a football fan in Scotland, particularly in my childhood and adolescence, I found myself wondering ‘How come, no matter how hard other teams try, does that club always seem to prevail? Why so many last minute equalisers or winners? Why so many penalties? Why did the ref get off the Rangers supporters bus on his way in? Why do so many from that club appear for Scotland, when they are not as good as more deserving players? Why does this club hold such sway in the higher echelons of the game? How come they can afford those players, when their crowds are smaller than those of my team? Just what is going on here? This is what RTC was really exposing….. the cash was purchasing preference or success in every level of the game. The arrogance is on the rise again and it needs to be stopped in its tracks.
Well, what was always known is now being openly discussed. The dirty BIG secrets and lies have been uncovered and admitted as sort of true by the first resorts of the participant scoundrels….reaching for qualified, partial denial, quickly followed by arrows pointing elsewhere….. it wisnae us!
For a good while longer I would like the dying beast turned on the roasting spit, just long enough for the vitriol that its behaviour has generated to seep into its wounds, as a stinging reminder to its loyal supporters that its misdemeanours will not be easily forgotten or forgiven by fans of other teams who have endured its arrogance and jackboot tactics for so long.
I have to admit that I have a beef with a loyal follower of the Deid Club….my harsh attitude to finally confronting all that is rotten with the Deid club is a little jaundiced by my experience as a fourteen year old idly standing in the queue for the Underground at Copland Road, only to have a blue swathed Neanderthal bury a knife blade in my cheek. I don’t think he liked my school tie but he was a bit surpised that my blood wasn’t actually green, although I don’t think he saw much of it before he was mightily huckled by the flailing batons of two real polis of Highland stature of that era. Just what possesses a fan to be so full of hatred towards an imagined foe?
For me, a right good tanking from the FTTT, a ‘game’s a bogey’ from BDO for Sevco’s antics and the succulent lamb dishes of the chosen few being replaced by porridge during a guest stint with HMP will do nicely. Anything else will be a bonus…….including the total demise of the Phoenix club. Oh, and I wouldn’t mind some of the missing money returned to pay for much needed services such as education, care of the sick and dying, care of the elderly and the poor…..all much more important than footballers and former directors downsizing to their last six cars or four houses or the faux bleeding heart sensibilities of its finest, knuckledragging, loyal supporters!
Hopefully the ensuing porridge, like the best revenge, would be served to the guilty cold! Not much to ask for all the cheating and bullying so many have had to endure for so long, is it?
celtic1967 says:
August 8, 2012 at 00:38
Bravo celtic1967 – In agreement 100%
A superb piece of writing
hello tsfm,
i’d like to make a suggestion regards the way that the site is currently organised. sometimes i struggle to follow post and counter post and many a time i have lost the thread of a conversation altogether. I have noticed on a few lesser sites that there is a reply icon underneath the original post and should you wish to reply to a specific post you can do so, thereby enabling a number of related posts to be read as one block rather than having to jump around and go back two or three pages in some cases to see an original post.
i’d like to ask if there is any possibility of such a system becoming incorporated into this site as it would make it much easier to follow conversations or discussions?
I would also like to say that it is my intention to set up a new blog where readers and contributors can provide me with suggestions or contact details for any organisations that would be able to help in the setting up a Scottish football fans umbrella group. I know i’ve mentioned this several times in the past, but it is an idea that i hold dear and i intend to do what i can to make this idea a reality. if it falls flat on its erse, then so be it, at least i can say that i tried. I have thought for a long time now that scottish football would be so much the better if the fans exercised their undoubted power. I will provide more details of the new blog when i can. If anyone has any constructive ideas then please let me know as i am struggling to get this off the ground. I feel like stevie wonder on a murky path…. thanks all.
🙂
By the way Amurkypath, this is how to start a discussion.
PS. I think you have verbal testes.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the blog. It ripped apart the garbage we have heard in the last 24 hours from DM, McLeish, McCoist, Green, and a certain EBT user who is still employed by the BBC.
It has also re-listed the shocking indictments against Rangers of old and reminded everyone that Sevco are starting off down the same slope that buried ex-club and left creditors and the tax-payer without a bolt.
It has also highlited the coercion of the written media (Daily Record), and the broadcast media (BBC.)
Please keep it up, people, and dont be put off by the trolls. We know who the decent Rangers fans are on here. They are respected. Dont let the likes of murkypath side-track you.
One for Paul McConville or Paulie Walnuts:
I had a look over the legal judgement in the Duff & Phelps v Ticketus hearing from earlier this year, which appeared to be a no-score draw.
The judge seemed to give D&P the nod to avoid fulfilling their side of the contract.
But that part was to act as agents for Ticketus in selling RFC season tickets.
The Ticketus QC, Clancy, seemed confident a higher court would uphold their right to Ibrox season tickets for future seasons. It was pointed out that this could account for up to 60% of RFC income.
Since then there’s been not a cheep from Ticketus.
Which may suggest that they are confident they have an agreement still in place, perhaps thanks to reassurance from Green and Whyte.
In that case, Sevco will be acting as agents for Ticketus in collecting their season ticket cash.
A few new signings should bolster those sales.
But revenue streams would be fatally compromised.
I really don’t see any long-term future here. I still can’t fully work out what the plan/scam is.
Can anyone make sense of what’s going on at Ibrox?
Verbal testes. Lol
We have a winner ladies and gentlemen.
That will keep me going for days. Cheers Frank.
Lord Wobbly says:
August 7, 2012 at 22:33
Just to give BowenBoys and amurkypath a bit of support, since we moved over to this site, I read a good number of first time posters saying that they’d lurked on RTC for ages but didn’t feel confident enough to post. Shirley some of you have something that you want to discuss. We don’t bite (well not all of the time) and if you’ve read any of my posts you will already know that you don’t need to be Stuart Cosgrove or Mark Daly or RTC or Alex Thomson in order to make a point. Even Bomber was prepared to stand up and say his piece 😀
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Your Lordship
I am a new poster (one week old) and would like to offer something up for debate, if I may be so bold…. It a bit long though… 🙁
Sorry seems to be the hardest word…
I am a big believer in conflict resolution. Total victory, annihilation of your enemy, is seldom a route to a long term solution. An obvious example: 1919 – the victorious allies sought to completely cripple the defeated Germany as retribution for the horrors of the First World War. In doing so, they inadvertently sowed the seeds for the rise of Hitler and the associated horrors. Sure, you can argue the merits (or otherwise) of such a broad brush hypothesis.
South Africa points towards a more constructive process of conflict resolution. Some of the more enlightened minds of the various political leaderships realised that in order to achieve any sort of lasting peace, it was necessary to identify the sources of conflict, confront them and, through a process of dialogue with ‘the enemy’, hopefully remove them as sources of future conflict.
A key element of the South African experience was the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. This enabled active participants in and victims of the conflict from all sides to explain their actions, reveal the truth about what actually happened (at least as perceived by themselves) and establish a common narrative that would enable the vast majority of political opinions to buy into the future of a new, democratic South Africa. The Rainbow Nation still suffers from many chronic problems, but the fact that open civil war was averted amidst such a massive political transition has to be applauded.
OK. So far in this post we have the rise of Hitler and the demise of apartheid. Bit melodramatic to reference to the Scottish Football quagmire? Sure. Of course. It is ridiculous. Mind you, to be this concerned about the state of a sport is probably not a good sign anyway, so what the hell. ;_)
Thanks to the pioneering work of RTC and other stalwarts of the previous blog and this successor, we are all now aware of the massive malfeasance that occurred at the establishment club here in Scotland. We know how many people associated with that organisation tried to avoid / evade tax on an industrial scale, we know how much tax was not paid and we are pretty damn sure that significant laws of both the land and the sport were wilfully broken in the pursuit of dishonest sporting glory.
The players, managers, directors, owners and associated officials (including those at the SFA) that took these illegal payments must by now (at the very latest) have become aware of their precarious position. What’s more, they also know that their position is by now common knowledge and the subject of serious investigation by the relevant authorities.
Each and every one of them should consider their position. The game is up. The whole house of cards is on the verge of coming crashing down upon their heads. Those who have benefitted directly from the cheating and lying and even just the protracted silence are going to be brought to book: named and further shamed. There must surely be no future in the game for those exposed as being most heavily involved in this corruption – only one step away from match fixing. Some of them ought to be fearing a jail term…
To those individuals I would say – you are teetering on the edge of the abyss. You may have a final chance to speak out and voluntarily admit your role in this affair before the process proceeds further and your role is exposed by default.
This is the time to state categorically and unequivocally: this is what I did, here are the contracts, this is what I was paid, here is how much tax I paid, this is the advice I received, this is who gave me that advice. (What else should such a statement include?) Surely it would be far better to be seen to do this voluntarily now rather than at a later date as a result of a courts summons?
Even at this late stage, I would suggest that there might be scope for redemption for those who are prepared to own up to their actions and tell the truth about what has really happened. (I imagine that there may be alternative views on this).
I would also suggest that the window of opportunity for redemption by voluntarily acknowledgement of past misdeeds is pretty tight.
Sympathy is probably going to be in very short supply for anyone found to be materially involved in this corruption who has failed to freely acknowledge their role or the seriousness of the wrongdoing.
It is time, past time most likely, to stand up and be counted as one of the honest men.
We all make mistakes. Most of us will probably be able to point to a time when we were badly advised or behaved in a manner that we subsequently came to regret. Society can and should be forgiving where there is some sense of remorse. Expressing that remorse, saying ‘Sorry’, is a necessary first step.
OT ..but did anyone see Ian Davidson MP on Newsnight Scotland . did it remind you of anyone ..” I am the person and shut up and listen to my words of wisdom and we know who are ….you all hate us and we don’t care ” Pathetic
Frank Forrest
I had a few requests to allow threaded comments, but on balance I thought that, for now at any rate, the familiar model of RTC would be better for the sake of continuity. I think it is something we could monitor as we go along.
Good luck with the umbrella group. If this site achieves its purpose, it will hopefully bring people from all clubs together, although the anonymity of SFM would preclude it playing a formal role.
Captain Haddock
I think what we need to do is pretty much what RTC did, and that was to lead the discussion in a constructive way. In the absence of RTC, I had pretty much hoped to use the talents available to us to lead that discussion, and the first guest post, will focus on some of the outstanding issues, many of which have been lost in the hailstorm of shocking revelation. I hope to have that published in a day or so.
Of course there are other issues in Scottish football which are up for discussion. Many of them lack the luxury of the consensus on the Rangers Tax Case. Revenue sharing is one area where debate will be generated. Our aim in all of these areas should be to ensure that disinformation is challenged, and that alternative viewpoints are given the benefit of an airing.
To those who allege that this blog (and that of RTC) is engaged in a Rangers-bashing exercise, I would like to point out that it was only in RTC that the alternative viewpoint to the MSM’s “nothing to see here folks – move along now!” message was given a fair shake.
People who are tired of reading about the anger of football fans over RFC behaviour can easily find succour in the MSM. Those who have been sick of being lied to for decades only found that respite with RTC. Carrying on that legacy as best we can is nothing to be ashamed of.
Will we succeed as a group? That is debatable, and the measure of any success is also unclear, but any failure will not be as a consequence of being anti-anything or anybody. Our strength, which derives from the community built by RTC is in our ability to build a consensus that has endured. I am pretty confident that it will continue.
After listening to the coverage on Sportsound tonight is is clear that the media have learned nothing and it is very much business as usual.
The way the commentary team and post-match interviews (Chick Young) handled the 38,000/50,000 issue was, IMO, embarrassing.
Bearing in mind that East Fife are due a cut/half? of the gate, and also possible tax issues, it seems strange that it would be dealt with through a series of giggles, jokes and in the end McCoist not knowing whether he was supposed to say if the Club Deck was “open”, “closed” or “maybe opened later”. Green managed to bat the question away while Chick sounded almost star-struck.
My one hope through the summer was that all this would bring about some sort of change in the way Scottish Football is both promoted and perceived. If the MSM are unwilling to ask the necessary questions after all that has happened then nothing will ever change.
I have a few drinks on me, but someone said back at midnight i think??? that a club was thrown out of compitition for lack of a second signature on a registration form.
This is the absolute core of the debate, how can anyone of us stand back and let this happen.
it really kills me to think that we would allow a small club be hammered and a big club like Brontisuros!!!??? Servco laugh all the way back to the SPL without any sanction.
LurkPac says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:42
excellent post LP.
7th August will stand as a milestone in the history of the people of Scotland when its hidden anti-democratic cabal planted a stake in Scotland’s heart that said:
This is our Country
These are our rules and
Rangers are our team.
God help us all.
Doon the slope says:
August 8, 2012 at 01:12(Edit)
Absolutely nothing wrong with the blog. It ripped apart the garbage we have heard in the last 24 hours from DM, McLeish, McCoist, Green, and a certain EBT user who is still employed by the BBC.
It has also re-listed the shocking indictments against Rangers of old and reminded everyone that Sevco are starting off down the same slope that buried ex-club and left creditors and the tax-payer without a bolt.
It has also highlited the coercion of the written media (Daily Record), and the broadcast media (BBC.)
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Of course I would say this 🙂 , but you have provided a very eloquent testimonial to what the contributors on here have achieved in the past few days.
the reason that 99% of posts on here involve the zombies is because this is the biggest footballing story of the last 100 years, simple. until this is over with, something that will in all probability, take years, it will continue to dominate and rightly so. we should all know and realise that this is the scottish football monitor and not rtc. we will continue the work of rtc as best we can and follow it to its logical conclusion, but football will continue and that is when tsfm will come into its own. this site is different to rtc in one important factor and that is there is no “r” in the title of the blog. once the zombie stories begin to settle there will be other stories to take their place, granted these will be nowhere near as big as those we write about at present, or i sincerely hope they won’t be, but its down to us to ensure that whatever scandals threaten to engulf the game up here, we report on them as honestly as possible and in a manner that reflects accountability onto those responsible. if we are to do this and in turn live up to our name and the legacy of rtc, we must look to broaden our horizons or be consigned to history as internet bampots. at the moment i am proud to be an internet bampot as it is a moniker that indicates that i stand for truth, justice and the integrity of the game i love. In the future i would take pride in knowing that i have done something good for football, something good in the real world and not just as a keyboard warrior. this is why i strongly advocate a broadening of our horizons and moving into other areas such as fans organisations or even an online fan based magazine open to all and non discriminatory. thousands of people access this site everyday and the number is growing, but there are still many more people out there that we have not reached yet and we owe it to ourselves and football to look at how we can make the monitor more accessible that it is at present.
TSFM
Can anyone name a media outlet which has bettered the comments found on here in terms of insight, quality of writing, analysis, truth and even humour, over the last 24 hours?
I rest my case.
DM’s statement was the first serious test of this blog. It passed with flying colours and gave a reassurance to me (at least) that justice will still prevail through the voices on here.
Some seem to just enjoy kicking RTC when its down.
Great new blog.
I was just listening to SSB and the general consensus of the panel was that RFC should not be stripped of trophies if illegible players were used. The “reasoning” being that opposition players who missed out would not want them. Surely though it would be RFC players and staff from the time they had an unfair advantage that would shun the trophies and medals? Anyone with a bit of self respect and respect for fellow professionals would find it impossible to keep those medals and trophies. I’m sure that once the facts are all out, IF it is shown illegible players were used and financial doping was going on these players will want them given to their rightful owners. Those players that would obviously be offered them may very well refuse to accept them, that’s each individuals decision.
Why is anyone even trying to justify the focus of this blog? Anyone who questions it should be ignored on the basis that they themselves must be ignorant of the outstanding issues.
Which organisation is it that has been accused of fleecing the taxpayer of in excess of £100m?
Which organisation is it that has been accused of cheating almost every other team in Scotland out of position and reward over a period in excess of 10 years?
Which organisation is it that has been accused of cheating European teams out of position and prize over the last 10 years plus?
Which organisation is it that has bullied and harangued other clubs and their supporters via intimidation and a corrupt MSM?
Which organisation is it that continues to espouse bigotry and sectarianism as a marketing tool?
Which organisation is it that has abused and exploited governing bodies to meet their own ends and cover their tracks over at least the last ten years?
If they’re still ‘Rangers’, they’re still subject to all of the above charges.
Just because Mr Whyte has changed to Mr Green doesn’t mean they ain’t the same old blues!
And, if they’re the same old blues, the should be liable for the same old debts.
Pl, we need a new post here, any news?
the club deck was half empty if any of the the dilligent posters on here had cared to check. Reporting half truths to suit an agenda……is this not what you accuse the MSM off?
or should I say….supporting non-truths to suit an agenda
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-4-0-east-fife-natural-order-observed-as-rangers-beat-higher-rivals-1-2455015
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/tv-and-radio/youtube-to-screen-spl-highlights-in-new-link-up-1-2454368
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/this-is-rangers-it-doesnt-get-any-bigger-two-strikers-and-a-defender-sign-up-to-mccoists-project-ahead-of-transfe
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-4-east-fife-0-declaration-of-intent-from-fans-manager-and-players.18399632
This transfer ban, imposed for offences just short of match-fixing, and having to pay their football debts, have really hurt Graverobber FC. Not.
They’ve dodged 134m they owed to creditors,
Oldco and Newco have yet to submit audited accounts.
They’ve paid no fines.
They have not had a single trophy removed despite improper registration of players for ten years.
They’ve dodged paying their taxes on an industrial scale for a decade.
And they think they’re being victimised?
They really are the biscuit.
They’re back, and filthier, uglier, and more shameless than ever. They need to be punished fearlessly and in the most exemplary fashion. Until they are, the administration of Scottish football will be but a byword for timorous corruption.
Any word yet on whether Deidclub’s Bastard FC have a squad size in excess of the SFL rules?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/sports-tycoon-mike-ashley-to-buy-stake-in-rangers.18397998
Newcastle owner to buy in to triggers broom. Never seen a lonsdale strip before mind you. Good luck with that Mike.
Just thinking, surely Sevco are acting against the Trade Descriptions Act,(if it still exists) they are promoting the fact that they have won x amount of titles and cups when we all know that they have won nothing .Is it not illegal to advertise a deliberate falsehood for money.
I mean, how can you win First Div. and SPL titles when you have never been in any League before 2012.
All the excitement in the media regards 2012 fc is to be expected as is all their doom and gloom stories of the SPL without them .
What may be surprising is that HMRC will do absolutely nothing whilst 2012 fc and the media are going about rangers with such abandon and gusto .
Why any company after this would have a second thought of ditching their taxes and carrying on as if nothing had happened is beyond me .IMO there could not be a more blatant example of a phoenix company ever .in fact it’s seems to be actively encouraged .
I posted a while ago that the zombie created from the old club would launch a share issue on the back of a “THEY TRIED TO DESTROY US ” ticket and that the fans would be expected to pick up the tab and that is how it’s looking .
The worrying thing for the real rangers football supporters is that ,the way things are looking a lot of the fans seem to have really fallen for all the ,we have been punished enough myth, that many of the more moderate fans of old will now be drawn to the radical side of the fan base that brought nothing positive to the old club .I can honestly see no positives in this scenario for 2012 fc .I do not know what songs were sung last night but the Brechin tie was nothing to be proud of and if the authorities and the supporters groups do nothing to deter and educate 2012 fc fans in this regard at the offset ,they will have failed both their club and Scottish football.
The fans were always going to be relied apon to pay for the take over but IMO they should make it a priority to find out where (to whom ) their money will be going .If they are happy with what they find out then they should back their club as much as the can .If they are not then they .at least have the information needed to make a measured judgement and not just follow blindly on the back of the bigotry card being played by CG
Phoenix Rangers 4 East Fife 0
Same old, same old – dominance achieved by playing players they can’t afford.
And might (just possibly) have dodgy registrations.
john clarke says:
August 7, 2012 at 20:40
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jonny says:
August 7, 2012 at 20:29
‘.I heard C Young on BBC and he could not have been more delighted and it was Rangers this and Rangers that ..’
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The ghost of the despised Peter Thomson is still haunting BBC Scotland. And when I say despised, I mean despised since my childhood.
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JC….teeth tightly gritted again…! LOL!