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Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.
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Very few calls on SSB tonight and wee dawwell very quiet!!! Lol
Mozza,
One simple extract reveals the intention behind Rangers’ use of the EBT scheme to pay wages (that is, monies intended to be for services rendered, in this case playing football, and not for replacement of actual expenses incurred)
The Mark Daly documentary.
The extract from Rangers to Ronald Watterus’ agent pointing out the advantage to the player of receiving payment through the trust:
If the EBT money was an actual loan, to be repaid, then it would be tax free, but there would be no net advantage to Wattereus as he would have to pay the money back.
Nobody pays income tax on loans.
There is no reason a footballer (or anyone else) would see a loan from their employer which they had to pay back as better for them than good old fashioned wages. Yes, the wages would be taxed, but the player would get to at least keep a large portion of the gross sum.
Which of the two situations is best for the player? Receiving an actual loan or receiving a wage subject to tax?
That one line fails to stand up to any form of critical analysis that starts with the assumption the loans truly were discretionary because it shows Rangers’ were actively trying to recruit the services of a player and in doing so they tell the players agent he benefits from receiving funds tax free. He could get a tax free loan from a bank if he wanted and get a wage from another club which he could at least go and spend with impunity.
The player would only benefit if he was never subject to repay the loan, in which case it’s not a loan at all, it’s disguised remuneration & this is at the heart of the tax case and the SPL investigation.
To claim no sporting advantage is gained by circumventing the rules on player registrations to disguise remuneration is sheer folly folly.
In other words, you’re at it & you know you’re at it.
And we know you’re at it.
The SPL and the FTT(tax) will both come to the same conclusion because there is simply no other rational explanation that “they were at it”
And they knew they were at it.
They broke the rules to hide tax evasion.
gsrx1 at 14:23
Is it just possible that Walter Smith and maybe some of the other missing 10,have taken out so called ‘Super Injunctions’ to prevent disclosure?
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Highly improbable. They would have to take action separately in Scotland, England&Wales and N.I. Even then, the rest of the world would not be bound in any way by any such action, so other jurisdictions eg The USA or the Republic of Ireland would be free to report it.
BTW, I hate being a pedant, but afaik “injunctions”, super or otherwise, don’t appear in Scots Law, the correct term is “interdicts.”
2-0 to celtic
Could someone please explain why BDO have not started liquidation yet,and taken the assets back from whoever D&P gave them to?
FFS definitely a anti-rangers blog, at least RTC was started for a good cause, but it’s been hijacked by obsessive anti- rangers mob.
Should Celtic be stripped of titles like Penn State?
Should Hearts get away with their anti paying tax/ players
Where was integrity when Aberdeen weren’t relegated Twice
When are we getting fair voting rights
I could go on, but as Mozzarella said this has turned, be better changing name of it, I really enjoyed it when RTC started this, but not now, you have all became obsessed with everything you can find wrong, but, will not open your eyes at your own house.
I wonder if mozza is actually wee mojo, that horrible turncoat who followed the coin. I also wonder if it was maybe the first ever time a decision was taken at ibroke to trump celtic by offering a similar wage and a wee extra contractual top up. Souness and murray both implicated heavily in current scandal, and hugh adam said it was a long standing policy.
Now that would be funny.
Total speculation to be fair.
Pars fan my arse 😀
Can’t see it but good luck to Well tonight. Still 0-0 with 20 gone. Also, great result for the Hoops.
Pars Fans
No-one is forcing to be here. Mozza – against all evidence in the public domain thus far – is unilaterally declaring Rangers’ innocence in the SPL investigation related to the tax case by the common subject of EBT’s.
Where is the Rangers hating? I don’t share your opinion it’s an anti-Rangers blog, unless you claim the tax case and the SPL investigation are anti-Rangers as well?
Which is like the accused saying justice is anti-criminal.
Imagine that.
thewestlight says:
August 8, 2012 at 16:54
Does anyone find it strange that celtic did nothing to reveal or stop the rangers EBT scam? If they knew they were being cheated surely they would have gone to the authorities
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So now its Celtic fault as well as SPL as well as SFA for not squealing on something that they suspected but had no substantial proof. And of course the MSM being so independant would have done the investigation – or would they have nailed Celtic for being bad losers and super grasses.
How about the Rangers fans and directors all putting their hands up and saying – yes we were asleep and let SDM and CQ and CG all dupe us and steal our money.
There is no one to blame for the position Sevco are in other than the Rangers fans for not questioning the Hover pitch rubbish – compare that with the Cambuslang rubbish we objected to. Sevco lapped it all up – now they need to figure out why were so gullible – otherwsie it will happen again – and agin….until they learn their lesson.
Stop being cry babies – no one outside of Ibroke had any right ot police you – am sure we would have been told to mind our pwn business anyway. In any case SDM said Hugh Adam was mistaken in his allegations – so Rangers (IA) fans had the chance to decide – they chose to believe SDM. Not my problem
Good Evening,
Please look carefully at the following page and the various licensing matters that this page links to and leads to.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2570
This comes from the Scottish Football Association website and is the public explanation of the procedures that the SFA will follow in relation to licensing any club, and ensuring compliance with the SFA rules.
These pages throw up so many questions in relation to the Rangers affair that it would take weeks for me to list just the questions let alone suggest the answers from the available information.
How– did the entire situation escape the notice of the SFA if there was an annual audit where all appropriate information was disclosed?
Pars Fan on August 8, 2012 at 19:58
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FFS definitely a anti-rangers blog, at least RTC was started for a good cause, but it’s been hijacked by obsessive anti- rangers mob.
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Hmmm. Pars fan? Can you name your home ground?
Tell your sub editor its pointless to troll here.
Fat Sally urging fans to buy ST’s, He must think the Bears are stupid. They (bears) dont trust Yorkie,and they are beginning to lose faith (?) in Sally. He has more positions than the Kama Sutra.
Pars Fan says:
August 8, 2012 at 19:58
Dude , got to say , I think you might be sailing under a flag of convenience .
At least be honest about your agenda , we might respect you for it . Who knows ?
I find it very (ahem) interesting that a “Pars Fan” would be concerned at a perceived bias against another team (RFC). Oh, and still finds the time to make a reference to child abuse!
Please do us a favour and take your trolling, and wholly inappropriate references, elsewhere – possible back to FF?
A lot of trolls on here tonight. Please do not feed them. They crave attention, and mozza in particular must be a very happy little boy tonight.
On the positive side, an infestation of trolls is usually the precursor to really bad news for the dark side. Fingers crossed!
I am a Pars fan stay over the back of East End park always bloody rangers, thought we were moving on to Scottish corruption? Eh! Well, when we getting fair share voting or is that for future years?
Pars Fan – you are right – Celtic should be stipped of the European Cup and everything else they won fairly because your team won many domestic trophies by financial doping. There – does that make you fell better? If only they had never won it Rangers (IA) would never have gone bust trying to emulate the Lisbon Lions….
Its all Jock Steins fault really – he won the European Cup with 11 Scottish players. Then won 9 in a row. Despite spending 100s of millions of Scottish taxpayers money, SDM could only buy his 9 in a row. He failed misrably trying to win the big one.
Hope you and your fellow followers all fell it was worth it.
Re Pars fan
Hold your head in shame.
Anyone up to speed with the Penn State scandal will understand why it would be better for all concerned if you return to the dark recess from which you have emerged.
For the record my previous posts to Theweststar were an attempt at some light hearted leg pulling.
Also for the record in addition to attending matches with my own team last year I also attended games at Raith Rovers,St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Stirling Albion, Alloa and god forbid I bump into your good self Dunfermline with genuine friends who support these teams. And all this before the “Scottish Spring” and the attendant good will brought on by the goings on at RFC(IA)/RFC(IL).
thewestlight says:
August 8, 2012 at 16:54
Does anyone find it strange that celtic did nothing to reveal or stop the rangers EBT scam? If they knew they were being cheated surely they would have gone to the authorities
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How would Celtic know that Rangers were committing tax fraud.
The Revenue didn’t seem to do anything at the time, suggesting they didn’t know. The took action when they knew the fraud had been committed and raised assessments and penalties, but that was a few years later.
So I don’t really know what makes you think Celtic knew.
Pars Fan – my father is a Pars fan and I know John Yorkston personally – and your reference to child abuse shows your true colours. If not, you are a disgrace to Dunfermline.
Plus fair share voting is not your issue at the moment as neither your real team Sevco nor Pars are in the SPL. Go back to Sevco Media please.
Dear Lord, Jack has been rolling them out today
Amazing they have all appeared since the Dear Former Leader’s attempt at “it wisnae me”
They are about the only thing concerning RFC (IA) that is transparent
Pars Fan says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:24
I am a Pars fan stay over the back of East End park always bloody rangers, thought we were moving on to Scottish corruption? Eh! Well, when we getting fair share voting or is that for future years?
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Write the blog and get it published, then people can debate it. I’m sure the admin here would be interested in reading your piece.
Though I’m not sure what makes you think that an agreed voting system constitutes corruption.
What is the percentage required in the SFL anyway.
You are obsessed but can’t open your eyes to the bigger picture, rangers are out of it now, but you lot should open your eyes to your own greed.
Pars Fan says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:37
You are obsessed but can’t open your eyes to the bigger picture, rangers are out of it now, but you lot should open your eyes to your own greed.
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If by “out of it” you mean dead, then not quite yet. They are still alive and in administration. Though that is temporary just awaiting the liquidation.
It could be a bit yet.
Fat Sally the Pieman just said on Sky news that :-
” I am ignorant to that extent………” ……….in regard to the nature, extent and fine detail of “that very successful businessman’s” purported potential investment in the recently re-born spawn known as the Sevconians.
Forget and delete the “to that extent” bit, which is completely redundant, oh Fat One.
CHARON says:
August 8, 2012 at 19:31
gsrx1 at 14:23
Is it just possible that Walter Smith and maybe some of the other missing 10,have taken out so called ‘Super Injunctions’ to prevent disclosure?
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Highly improbable. They would have to take action separately in Scotland, England&Wales and N.I. Even then, the rest of the world would not be bound in any way by any such action, so other jurisdictions eg The USA or the Republic of Ireland would be free to report it.
BTW, I hate being a pedant, but afaik “injunctions”, super or otherwise, don’t appear in Scots Law, the correct term is “interdicts.”
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Highly improbable eh, I think you gave the game away there Walter.
Put it this way, I know for a FACT, of a very famous Scottish sportsman who gained a ‘Super Injunction’ at the High Court in London around 4 years ago (and the reason why, BTW). To this day, nothing has been reported on the matter in the media anywhere in the UK, or anywhere else to my knowledge. Why could that be?
And another thing Mr Pedant, I have never heard of a Super Interdict – have you? LOL.
Re Pars Fan;
He’s posted here in the past and I had no reason to think he had an agenda.
Still don’t.
He’s always been interested in restructuring the SPL vote to get away from the previous 11-1 split. As a non ‘old firm’ (as was) fan, there’s nothing wrong with that.
Maybe he’s just a bit miffed at the anti Sevco Strollers comments on here.
Never struck me as a troll in the past. Jack he ain’t!
Pars Fan , Muzzo and others trolling this site ; yez are giving trolling a bad name . You really must try harder or you wont be getting so much as a TD from me .
Btw , muzzo , did you say earlier that bonuses by their nature were discretionary ? I have never come across a genuine bonus that was not earned and based on achievement of pre-set goals . The key word there is ” earned ” .
the Don Dionisio says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:39
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Sorry I missed that, is Sir David Murray suggesting that he may invest in the new club in some way, or have I picked you up totally wrong. Is it an entirely different successful businessman.
nsl,
The vote can be changed. He may not be Jack but failling to acknowledge the ongoing Rangers story naturally attracting the most comments and instead labelling the blog anti-Rangers smacks of trolling.
Any change of voting wont affect his team anyway.
Pars Fan
Interesting that you should offer the non relegation of Aberdeen as part of your list.
I stand to be corrected but was it not the case that the rules were followed i.e. the stadium suitability of the prospective teams to be promoted and this worked in their favour.
The (attempted) complete opposite of the current situation where the rules in place for a club going into liquidation and seeking readmittance as a new entity where again quite clear and should have been adhered
The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog
Its there in black and white at the top of the page ,its the very first statement on this blogs intent . The rangers tax case is far from over, the judgement has not yet been made public so to continue discussing it on here is highly relevant and appropriate. Those who object to us doing so are havin a larf
Thewestlight.
Do you believe that the show of defiance at Ibrox last night represents a high water mark for attendances this year or do you see the 380000 being a figure that is sustainable.
And this is a genuine question, what is your info on the number of ST’s , I know the deadline has been extended.
Larsson@20.56pm .That was a helluva crowd.
Philip José Farmer says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:45
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I believe the next sugar daddy being touted is a Mr Mike Ashley
On SSN 20,000 ST’s sold to date hence another extension to the deadline.
Motherwell down 1-0
Aberdeen should have been relegated twice, someone else were allowed to ground share before can’t remember who, ok, I am angry about not getting fair vote, if we has fair voting years ago when OF ripped us all off, maybe we could have competed better with fair share of spoils, yeah we got relegated and deservedly so, but that doesn’t stop me having my say that if this is to do with scottish corruption then let’s look at corruption from the top.Rant over
Naismith has scored 3 tonight.
thewestlight
reports I had heard today was around the 20k mark with circa 5k waiting to be processed due to the ticket office having been deflected by last nights game.
are TRFC supporters starting to warm to Charles or is this a show of support in spite of him.
do you trust him.
Larsson7 says:
August 8, 2012 at 21:06
Has anyone seen Bomber in the queue? BTW, if not, has he paid back that lovely old trusting man his £120 yet?
timtim says:
August 8, 2012 at 21:00
Philip José Farmer says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:45
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Thank you.
Can I add, on a separate note.
If 38,000 people turned out on a Tuesday night to support their team in the early stages of the league cup then good on them.
They want to support their team and they turned out, spent their money and did just that. Fair play.
Pars Fan
What if the season ticket sales were kept by the parent club and the remainder of the home gate above this total shared equally between the teams.
My thinking on this is if for e.g. when Dunfermline visit Celtic Park the attendance is hardly affected by the travelling support however when Celtic visit East End the attendance rises sharply from the usual Pars home game.
You would surely accept this would encourage real supporters of your team to buy ST’s knowing that their money would then be ringfenced for their team.
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Should football be nationalised and run by the local council?
would there be a council-tax case??
Pars Fan
To clarify if Celtic had 45000 ST’s and the home game with Pars attracted 50000 the Pars get 2500 irrespective of them bringing their usual hundred or so.
Pars sell 2000 ST,s and home game with Celtic attracts 10000 then Celtic get 4000
Larsson7 I agree where you are coming from, yes the big support should go to their club, I’m talking tv money that was stole from us since the SPL was founded, not attendances, if you have 40000 at home, you deserve this money, I can’t argue on that as I am embarrassed the amount OF fans who travel watching them than their local team, share of tv money could have gave us a fairer playing field.
Pars Fan
Absolutely agree their should be a more equitable share of the TV money, collective sponsorship etc.
Sports Team owners and administrators in America understand that this is required in order to have a sustainable competion for the benefit of everyone in the long run.
Only monies collected and contributed direct to and by individual teams should be retained solely for that team, I have absolutely no problem with this. In fact this may go some way to preventing the RFC fiasco being repeated.
However no chance as the old order are fighting at every opportunity to retain the old model, witness the fawning of the SMM last night.
TV money should be shared
it takes 2 to tango and without the opposition there is no game at all
The number of trolls on here appear to be an attempt to lower the tone of debate and drag the site down to the level of the more extreme fan sites (of whatever persuasion). There will have to be a better level of Admin to ensure that proper debate is not diverted by Jack and his ilk. So when we get the likes of “Pars Fan” (aye, so you are!) wanting to divert to child abuse, we don’t have that sort of objectionable nonsense causing a diversion from actual issues.
It is interesting to note how weak is the trolls’ contribution to the PR blizzard . As far as I can see this is only blowing through the sportsdesks at DR , Herald , remaining tabloids and the usual suspect radio stations .
The response these agencies have collectively managed to muster , has been completely dependent on what the old guard brought to their keyboards . It is as if they don’t recognise a dead , twitching corpse when they see one .
Maybe the reality is too grave to contemplate , perhaps they have too much invested in the outcome ( emotional and ” professional ” ) . Whatever , RTC is bang on to highlight current and to come , attempts to influence the agenda . We should be wary , but not overly fluxed .
In nature , a dying scorpion behaves like Dead Team , it strikes out at everything around it ; it still dies .
Pars Fan
Can i recommend the “Beyond The Pitch” podcast to you which you can easily find on Itunes and in particular the podcast from this Monday which eventualy discusses the points re revenue and sustainability that you are touching on.
I am a lifelong Celtic fan, but I entirely agree with those who say that the SPL voting system should be reformed. It is simply indefensible. In fact I would go further and say that the whole SPL experiment has been an unmitigated disaster, and should be scrapped.
I would like to go back to a 2 (or maximum 3) senior league system, incorporating a “pyramid” system, so that teams could get out of the juniors/highland leagues purely on merit.
Sadly, any reform is now inextricably linked with the whole Sevco fiasco, and many will see any reform proposal as simply a back door shoe-in to the SPL for Sevco. But should we hold back from fundamental and much needed reform because of one corrupt club?
Of course we shouldn’t have this problem- Sevco should currently be applying to a junior league, and on their knees at that. Spartans or Cove Rangers should be in SFL3 That outcome would have cleaned out the stables of Scottish football once and for all.
We are where we are, however. Sevco are in now, and appear to have access to large amounts of cash. Maybe the FTT outcome, the various investigations, and the liquidation of RFC will bring the whole facade crashing down. I dearly hope so.
But don’t let the reform agenda be taken hostage by Sevco. Let’s move quickly to a structure which will encourage all clubs to nurture young talent, to live within their means, and to operate financially in a transparent manner. Lots of talk about Platini and financial fair play. Why wait for UEFA? Why can’t Scottish football take the lead on this, instead of waiting for rules to be imposed from above? Such rules would soon deal with the Sevco issue.
Strangely enough, I don’t want a Celtic walkover for the next 3 years. I want a fair, competitive league, just like the mid 80’s, with a lot of good teams based on home grown talent.
If we could just arrive at a position where Scottish clubs were running balanced budgets based on gate receipts and sponsorship, then Scottish football would have SKY in their proper place, and terms could be dictated to them, for once. I suspect that at least double the latest deal could be screwed out of them with very little effort- if we only had a negotiating position, such as “we don’t have to have your money, so tell us what’s the best you will offer.” Currently Sky have the SPL over a barrel, because they know the clubs simply have to have the money. Ever heard of a junkie negotiating with his dealer?
Personally (and I know this is fantasy island stuff) I would like to see all TV money going to the bottom of football, not the top. We could then have a world class youth development system, for instance- or decent school pitches- God that rid blaise was sore! Better than blowing it all on a load of overpaid mediocrities, who really and truly bring nothing to the party. Maybe we would take a hit in Europe at first, but on the basis of recent campaigns, what do we have to lose? Not a lot. I say go for it, and go for it radically.
Pars Fan,
I agree the TV money should be split in a fairer manner.
50% split evenly, the other 50% split such that the 12th team gets one share, the 11th team two shares, going up by one share each time til 1st place with 12 shares (a share is 1/78 of that 50% btw)
That ensures the 1st team get 12 times the 12th team share of the 50% placing pot
Adding up 1 through 12 gives you 78 so 1/78th of £7.5M for each place in the league.
In reality the 12th team get (£7.5M/12) + ((£7.5M/78) x 1) and the 1st team get (£7.5M/12) + ((£7.5M/78) x 12)%, so the overall disparity between 1st and 12th is ((£7.5M/78) * 11) and it’s a straight “1 share more for every place higher in the league”
That is proper divvying up AND reward for performance.
Incidentally with a £15M per year deal that works out to give 1st place £625k nominal share plus 12 lots of £96k (approx) per place, so a total of £625k + £1.15M = £1.77M
12th place gets £625k nominal share plus 1 lot of £96k per place, a total of £625k + £96k = £721k
£96k extra for every place higher up the league a team finishes.
Is there a coincidence in RTC winding down his blog and the concerted attack being made by the media and its knights on the truth of the RFC’s situation?
Has RTC flushed them out?
No chance this game is over.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
August 8, 2012 at 12:15
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Good Afternoon,
I wonder how many Glaswegians and others ever dropped in to a basement licensend premises in Glasgow’s Renfield street called…….. “Fouquet’s”? (my edit)
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BRTH…as one of many of your many admirers on this blog, may I commend your research as exemplary…would that the MSM devote a millisecond to such detail, dare I say there would be no need for this site/blog…nor would TSFM be necessary.
Mille de chapeaux monsieur!
Apology 1
Sorry for going off topic
Apology 2
Sorry if this has already been posted.
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There is a new SPL Youtube Channel here http://www.youtube.com/splofficial
It appears really good, and well worth a try. Highlights of games, interviews with managers etc.
Something for fans of every club.
Pars Fan says:
August 8, 2012 at 20:24
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I am a Pars fan stay over the back of East End park always bloody rangers, thought we were moving on to Scottish corruption? Eh! Well, when we getting fair share voting or is that for future years?
Any real fan of DUFC would know that the only thing at the back of East End is a massive graveyard.
Welcome home !
jammy dodger
Absolutely.
One thing that this whole fiasco has made me do is take a long hard look at my own values as a suporter and what I should really want for my club and the environment within which it competes.
As I have rushed with more than a little justification to condem RFC(IL) to anyone who would listen, and many who didn’t want to, over the past months I have become increasingly uncomfortable that some of the issues/culture I have voiced off on which in reality not only supported them but also my team to the disadvantage of our competitors.
It’s sometimes healthy to remove my green glasses even for a short time.
Yes reform is needed but I do now fear that to push for this would open the door for TRFC benefit, we are already being set up for the reorganisation for their benifit only.
Celtic made it through tonight ,Others may fall short but is this any different to other seasons ,probably not ,although it will be portrayed as such .
When it is the fans of Scottish football should be asking why ,not just being treated like sheep by the MSM .
I was heartened to hear of D Utd performance at the weekend and even more heartened by the performance of Motherwell /D Utd in there home game s in europe to superior opposition .
It sounded to me as if they gave as good as they got .
Let Scottish football breath ,you might like what you see and prove the MSM wrong
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says
August 8, 2012 at 12:15
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Absolutely suberb. Went out and bought a hat – duly tipped.
Pars Fan says:
August 8, 2012 at 19:58
Thanks for setting the agenda – below are just my opinions:
Should Celtic be stripped of titles like Penn State?
No. Not sure Penn State have ever won the SPL, but if they have, they should be stripped of titles, the same as Rangers, as both seem to have a distorted view of what is correct behaviour.
Should Hearts get away with their anti paying tax/ players.
Yes. Only clubs who have done this over an extended period of time (say, 10 years) should be punished. Not sure if there are any of those in Scottish football. I’ll have a think.
Where was integrity when Aberdeen weren’t relegated Twice.
I’m not sure, best ask Campbell Ogilvie, he keeps the SFA Integrity amulet in the same drawer as his EBT receipts.
When are we getting fair voting rights?
Totally agree with this question – voting should only be allowed for those clubs who don’t like Sevco and for those clubs whose fans don’t attempt to attention-seek by bringing up crude references to horrendous crimes. That would be fair.
Regarding your original point about this blog being anti-Rangers – I really don’t know where you are coming from, sorry.
David Murray and his close football brethren- i.e. those likely to be the most public figures to be hung- are in the process of delaying and deflecting tactics. They seek time. Time to sell propaganda, time to convince people of what is reality, time to secure their wee bolthole if the time comes.
This might explain the wave of trolling appearing on a new site aimed at carrying on the spirit of RTC.
And again, is it a coincidence that the counter revolution appeared in its most focused form after RTC called it quits?
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was their thinking. It would echo with Murray’s understanding of the mentality of the people he hopes will lift torches for him and blind us to what he has done to Scottish Football.
The ‘memory’ of Scottish Football fans is being tested here. Just like politics I see Murray et al exploiting a sense of forgetting, a sense of the bludgeoning day to day reality many of us face and if lucky, wake up from.
I notice that a lot of prominent posters are older men, and occasionally women, with time on their hands. Not just time to spare but time to reflect on the time they have lived.
I get a sense of grounding listening to these stories and yet they feel like a million miles away when placed alongside the weekly changing narratives of people like Traynor and the tactics being employed by Murray et al. å
I have had numerous conversations with friends and family about RFC situation and have come to the conclusion, for the moment- hope lives eternal- that people would rather be right, that reason is itself a commodity.
There is no reason in the conversations I have had with Rangers fans about the situation with their club. Not once. I have since given up and do not mention it.
for what it is worth, held in moderation for the h*ng word.
David Murray and his close football brethren- i.e. those likely to be the most public figures to be h*ng- are in the process of delaying and deflecting tactics. They seek time. Time to sell propaganda, time to convince people of what is reality, time to secure their wee bolthole if the time comes.
This might explain the wave of trolling appearing on a new site aimed at carrying on the spirit of RTC.
And again, is it a coincidence that the counter revolution appeared in its most focused form after RTC called it quits?
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was their thinking. It would echo with Murray’s understanding of the mentality of the people he hopes will lift torches for him and blind us to what he has done to Scottish Football.
The ‘memory’ of Scottish Football fans is being tested here. Just like politics I see Murray et al exploiting a sense of forgetting, a sense of the bludgeoning day to day reality many of us face and if lucky, wake up from.
I notice that a lot of prominent posters are older men, and occasionally women, with time on their hands. Not just time to spare but time to reflect on the time they have lived.
I get a sense of grounding listening to these stories and yet they feel like a million miles away when placed alongside the weekly changing narratives of people like Traynor and the tactics being employed by Murray et al. å
I have had numerous conversations with friends and family about RFC situation and have come to the conclusion, for the moment- hope lives eternal- that people would rather be right, that reason is itself a commodity.
There is no reason in the conversations I have had with Rangers fans about the situation with their club. Not once. I have since given up and do not mention it.
buckfastswallier says:
August 8, 2012 at 22:30
There is no reason in the conversations I have had with Rangers fans about the situation with their club. Not once. I have since given up and do not mention it.
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I have had the same experience, and like you did not mention it after a time. As I was reading RTC and the rest of the real info, they were listening to the MSM, and taking it all in. It was surreal.
Just my opinion,
Clubs should retain income they raise themselves,ie,Season tickets,gate money,pools etc.
All monies raised by the leagues central bargaining,ie,TV rights,sponsorship whatever,should be shared equally between all members of the league.That’s what the league is for.CFC should get the same from the TV deal as every other club in the league.That’s fair.If you look at the figures,CFC would only be losing around 600k,to be spread around 11 other clubs.not a great loss for CFC and also not a lottery win for the other 11.
It would be fairer,though.It would also mean that CFC(my team)may not be able to pay another player circa 12k pw.I can live with that if it makes the share from the central bodies more equitable.The powers that be should treat all clubs equally and enforce the rules equally,no matter how big or small the club.
You’d think this would be an easy ask.Unfortunately,in Scotland at this time.it’s not.
Pars fan (well, let’s pretend),
the simple answer is, Dunfermline have no fans.
That’s a problem no one else can fix. It’s the same with most Scottish teams. No fans. The demand for football in Scotland is dying.
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I think (-S)DM will be having a ‘technical breech’ in a Charlotte House WC after digesting RTC’s latest missive.(my edit)
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CE…pure dead brilliant…faced with the unequivocal post from RTC, I would be having a major “technical breech” in old Father Thames right now…notwithstanding the Olympic “matter” in view!
By the time a lie is half way round the world, truth is still pulling its pants on. This is how the MSM operate – so too the likes of the lunatic core at FF and RM
Lie deny deflect.
MJ said it best “the lie becomes the truth” – or perhaps he was paraphrasing Goebbels. No matter. We are at the tipping point.
The axis of evil – Murray etc MSM and the SFA/SPL versus the coalition of the thrilling.
With hope in our hearts we have just one more allmighty battle to fight. A reason to believe or get battered into submission?
They are the worlds eternal footballing victims – or so they keep telling themselves. We of course know the truth. We know better. But the propaganda war is where hearts and minds are won. They have a huge head start. They have years of experience and hordes of willing dupes Aye Ready to do their bidding.
We have truth and love. Talent and tenacity. Talent is an asset, tenacity a virtue.
So what it to be?
May I just pop in and say hi, this site is the nemsis of many in the media and where all will go for FACTS about scottish football, lovely…..although I will miss RTC he holds a small part of my heart forever his.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 8, 2012 at 21:01
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On SSN 20,000 ST’s sold to date hence another extension to the deadline
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This would be the same station that initially announced that Celtic were now in the group stages of the champions league, and then stated that Celtic had won despite Helsinki dominating the game!
I wouldn’t believe a word they say. Mind you Jim White’s face was a picture at the final score – I laughed out loud!
obonfanti88 says:
August 8, 2012 at 14:09
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welcome back RTC, it was only a matter of time that he came out of his brief retirement after the sheer guff old Minty Moonbeams was peddling earlier this week!
Gavin Rae FFS, I mean I can almost understand (wrong and disgraceful as it was) why they would offer the likes of De Boer an EBT but Rae!? Gavin Rae!!?? They honestly thought they’d never get caught did they?
Keep it up RTC! (Or is it TSFM now?)
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There was an obvious scam going on mate cause they insisted on almost every player having and EBT.
The EBT was just a front or a name for a slush fund and that fund was used for years and years.
The question you have to ask is what was the money being used for?
There were players I’ve never even heard of getting 100s of thousands of pounds, some of those players never even kicked a ball for them.
There is no way on this God’s green earth that Murray paid millions and millions of pounds into a trust and left someone else to administer that money without Murray saying that it was okay to do so, does the man think people’s heads button up the back?
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anyway was it no Mousey Tongue who said…Why disturb your enemy when they are continually & repeatedly making a complete sack of things…?..or somthing similar
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“Mousey Tongue”…another catalyst to give my shoulders the old “life of their own”…pure dead brilliant…my doctor says he will put my split sides back together …one day!
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buckfastswallier says: August 8, 2012 at 22:30
There is no reason in the conversations I have had with Rangers fans about the situation with their club. Not once. I have since given up and do not mention it.
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I have had the same experience, and like you did not mention it after a time. As I was reading RTC and the rest of the real info, they were listening to the MSM, and taking it all in. It was surreal.
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Interesting. I always used to post on Facebook on Old Firm weekends (youtube of the 6-2 game or a bit of of Jinky or Lubo) and got lots of banter from my Rangers supporting friends. In recent months/weeks any posts I have made about Phoenix Rangers have been met with a stony silence – I suspect the genuine fans are really hurting.