The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog (RTC). The aim of the Scottish Football Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media (MSM).
Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.
The cosy relationship that has existed between the media and people at the top of Scottish Football has dissuaded those who may otherwise be moved to blow the whistle on wrongdoing. The Scottish Football Monitor aims, through time, and by winning the trust of ordinary fans, to fill a gap in the football media in Scotland that has been up to now filled only by RTC.
The Rangers FC saga, its consequences, and consequences of the accompanying stream of untruths and misdirection fed to us by the MSM is far from over. RTC was successful in getting the previously buried truth of the Rangers tax case into the mainstream despite a hostile MSM reaction. The Scottish Football Monitor hopes to use the skills and expertise of those in our community to a cast light on matters that those in authority would have concealed, or at least present alternative arguments to those being presented as having none.
Scottish Football Monitor asks contributors to remember only a few things;
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2. Absolutely no discussion with regard to religion should take place.
3. Posters should refrain from using foul or abusive language.
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Transfer of membership
Friday, 03 August 2012
The Scottish FA can confirm that The Rangers Football Club Ltd have today received confirmation that full membership of the Association has been transferred.
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I wish the SFA would stop putting out big statements, I do not have time to read it all.
Greek player not being offered a contract with TRFC.
TSFM says:
August 3, 2012 at 17:54
Not Hatfield and the North?
On your display name, go to your wordpress profile and change the “Display name”. It should change immediately and
seamlessly.
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Not Hatfield and the North, no. But it’s weird you should pick that one. (Isn’t it Viscount? 😀 )
Display name? No idea. I am very much a luddite when it comes to this stuff. I’m amazed that I got the gravatar thingy to work. Still, I’m not precious about being upper case….or indeed upper crust 😀
I take it the SFA received 3years audited accounts? All football debts been paid? all fines paid? What no? Thought those were the rules No oh dear I’m all confused again 🙁
I mentioned earlier (9.59am) that I had received an email from Calum Mcdonald of The Herald and I posted this, along with my response. I won’t bore you all by repeating it here. Calum has had the decency to reply and I’ll share that with you now.
“Dear Al,
Thanks for your comments, and your complaint re the status of Rangers.
Yes, on a technicality, I’ll concede you’re absolutely right. I think, though, there’s a general perception that the Football Entity Formerly Known As Rangers is still, to many, Rangers, albeit with some fundamental changes. Hence my usage.
We may have to agree to differ, but thanks again for replying.
Regards,
Calum Macdonald”
Agree with Calum or not, kudos to him for replying. It’s more than the SFA bother doing. I disagree as it happens, there is no such thing as a “Football Entity”.
However, he’s given us a great new name for Sevco Flavour Rangers – FEFKAR.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 3, 2012 at 18:21
The signing policy over the water is strange to say the least ,the figures being banded about don’t really add up ,on the surface it looks like the new owner is doing the very same as the old owners .
CG stated when he came in that he would not go down the same road as the previous regimes
Why then has he done the opposite .
1. he is desperate and knows he has to show some team investment for the fans to take up STs
2. he and his backers are willing to invest money to ensure they go through the leagues ASAP
3. the wage figure are mince
4. he has no intention to honour those contracts
1. this could make sense as the ST sales seemed to be in the hundreds
2. I think they could have gone through 3rd and 2nd with the players they already had
3. very likely ,the fact these players are willing to play in div3 should tell you there is no need to offer 5/7 grand pw
4. maybe but I would not expect CG to jump ship after committing thus far
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 18:26
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I mentioned earlier (9.59am) that I had received an email from
Calum Mcdonald of The Herald and I posted this, along with my
response. I won’t bore you all by repeating it here. Calum has had
the decency to reply and I’ll share that with you now.
“Dear Al,
Thanks for your comments, and your complaint re the status of
Rangers.
Yes, on a technicality, I’ll concede you’re absolutely right. I think, though, there’s a general perception that the Football Entity Formerly Known As Rangers is still, to many, Rangers, albeit with some fundamental changes. Hence my usage.
We may have to agree to differ, but thanks again for replying.
Regards,
Calum Macdonald”
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While I agree that its good he took the time to reply, I’m incredulous that he concedes what they have printed was incorrect but they’ll continue printing it anway. That beggars belief!
Di Stefano (is it really him?) tweeting away about ownership of Ibrox
Ibrox.. The red triangles represent divided pieces of land diverse owners that I will in due course disclose pic.twitter.com/Wt3ZZMHa
https://twitter.com/DEVILSADVOKAT
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 18:26
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Fefkar FC – has a certain ring to it.
Schneeb says:
August 3, 2012 at 18:47
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August 3, 2012 at 18:26
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Fefkar FC – has a certain ring to it.
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How about the Football Entity Currently Known As Sevco Scotland ? 🙂
So let me get this straight ….one one hand the SPL say they have appointed an independant body to review the ‘prima-facie’ case against RFC (IA) on the dual contract issue (in other words, deflection & delay!) Then on the other we have the SFA granting transfer of a club licence from Deid-club to New-club! I was under the impression from following RTC that this was a no-no and BDO still haven’t even chapped on the ‘big-hoose’ door yet.
The corruption just keeps growing & growing ….I reckon it’s time for the gloves to come off and look out those radiation suits!! Barcabhoy ….anything to add???
Billy Dodds doesn’t seem to understand that some of the players wouldn’t have been there if Rangers had been paying things properly and without the benefit of EBT tax avoidance.
Rob a dub dub
three men stole a club
and who do you think they be ?
the duper,the faker,the ebt maker
turn them out , knaves all three
Green Mint and the Whyte
have all booked their flight
for pastures both foreign and new
they’ll take all the money and will leave it to Stunney
to deliver the news to our crew
For this is a crime
o’er a decade in time
and its tentacles touched very many
the succulent lamb will be porridge and spam
for the ones who took the rogues penny
So we must be alert
for one thing is a cert
their friends will pull many strings
they will cover the tracks and fill in the cracks
and leave them holding three Kings
But one thing they should know
before they put on their show
of nods,wink,favour and graces
is we all know the score,we’ve seen it before
and in our hand ,we hold 3 aces
facts-unity-integrity
Will the East Fife fans sing “are you Sevco in disguise next Tuesday”?
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:18
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Will the East Fife fans sing “are you Sevco in disguise next
Tuesday”?
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Shouldn’t that be a more direct “you are Sevco in disguise”?
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:18
Like your style
Billy Dodds, along with that other clown Dalziel on SSB, is a complete and utter fool of a man! I base this on his comments live on SS after RFC (IA) lost to a last minute goal by Maribor last season …and I quote “There is no way Rangers will lose to this team on their own pitch. In fact I can GUARANTEE they will go through to the next round …I fancy them to score 3 or 4 against this team, who let’s face it, are pretty poor.”
A complete fud!
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:18
I was thinking perhaps “You’re not Rangers anymore”
And who can forget Dalziel’s immortal words after Sevco’s latest signing, Dean Shiels, had just put Killie 1 up at the ‘big-hoose’ in the first game post-admin …”I don’t think Kilmarnock have read the script here today, they are spoiling the PARTY!” Ahem, excuse me Gordon but your team have just gone into administration!
I don’t know which one of them is the worst, TBH!
slimshady61 says:
August 3, 2012 at 17:16
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Domaine Jessiaume says:
August 3, 2012 at 12:20
The Rangers Football Club Limited to float on the AIM market in October. Zeus getting advisers in now.
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That story is definitely made up.
No one is floating on anything in the present economic weather – it’s a force 12 gale out there and people are holding on to their money. Even Facebook bombed when it went on the Nasdaq not so long ago, so what chance Sevco? I am aware of two excellent unquoted companies who were looking to do so in the last 12 weeks and both were told unequivocally to leave off for about 18 months.
Zeus may be getting advisers in now but all they will do is rack up, along with Zeus, a quarter of a million in fees and then say “Actually Charles, there’s not much appetite for any flotations just now, never mind the AIM market, never mind a 3 month old football club with an uncertain future and virtually no income. Why don’t you come back to us in four years’ time when you’re back in the SPL and about to qualify for the CL group stages?”
A fool and his money are easily parted.
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Are Direct Line not floating in October?
Anyway, that’s not the point, every word you say may be true, but the first sentence is wrong. My post is not made up and is from a very good source.
Some posters on here (and on the RTC previously) are starting to believe the rather nauseating sycophancy others express about them.
This blog is a potentially good idea, but it needs to be handled carefully.
Rather than lazily throwing around accusations of lying why not check your facts and look at what I have posted before and whether it turned out to be correct or not.
When I posted a totally accurate summary of the 5 way agreement a few days before it was revealed, Easyjambo said I was trolling among other stupid remarks. Confusing the fact that you dislike what someone says with choosing not to believe it is very followfollow if I may say so.
Take it or leave it guys but don’t tell me I am making something up.
You could say you believe I am mistaken; you have hinted that if October is the plan then Chicco will think better of it, maybe so. But accusations of trolling (previously) and making stuff up (now) are just baseless, and frankly impertinent, assertions of a (self-important) opinion.
has RFFF paid any tax on donations yet?
are they registered?
are they licenced to collect in public?
Domaine Jessiaume says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:48
Don’t be worrying, CG Is having a word with some Stockbrokers in London. Why worry?
DJ@19.48
If I could have given you 10 thumbs up for that I would have.
If there’s one thing that proves this is a continuation of RTC then its the fact that all the little annoyances have transferred over as well.
Althetim says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:18
Will the East Fife fans sing “are you Sevco in disguise next Tuesday”?
All I can add is “c’mon the fife”
3 league cups to 0 🙂
Ooft. I just heard the Billy Dodds interview. Admitting a last minute concoction of an EBT being used to pay him off his severance to which he was contractually entitled.
As far as the SPL investigation goes, it’s the mechanism that’s not described in his contract but not the money itself (so my earlier assertion of Dodds being in the safe zone might hold water) i.e. the payment wasn’t noncontractual.
This is probably the single best example though of Rangers’ knowledge that they were at it. To pay a contractual severance and claim it was nonctractual is purely for the purposes of being seen to abide by the rules regarding EBTs, which they’ve failed miserably at.
Now – for the rest of them, the salient question is “was the amount received by the player in wages whether via the EBT or standard PAYE channels the same as in the contract of service?”
If not, then they’re at it & they know they’re at it & they’re not declaring to hide the fact they’re at it.
Dodds appears to have an equality between what he received (i.e. the EBT in his case would appear to flout tax rules only and not be able to be used as an improper registration hammer to beat Rangers with)
The rest of them are bang to rights by the sound of it cos Dodds has pretty much come out and shown the club were only about not paying their tax and not declaring the amounts ultimately received by EBT is how they hoped to get around Hector.
I think we can safely assume the FTTT are going to hurt them big time, even if the old company (sorry, the old, and now deid Rangers FC) can’t be held liable to pay the tax they can kiss a decade worth of football matches goodbye.
Nice.
And I thought this was a continuation of RTC when infact it’s turning into a Celtic message board, RTC tried to keep away from that and you are just wasting the good investigative work he put in.
Pars Fan, please be specific? I’m not a Celtic fan and I’m not sure what you mean?
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August 3, 2012 at 20:19
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And I thought this was a continuation of RTC when infact it’s turning into a Celtic message board, RTC tried to keep away from that and you are just wasting the good investigative work he put in.
What leads you to this conclusion , Pars Fan ?
lordwobbly.
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You should then regain your previous grandeur.
Good to see you guy’s back to keep the pressure on
Are Directline really proposing to float on AIM rather than the Main Market?
I believe the company will float on AIM in the reasonably near future, the share issue has to be a part of the plan. It’s the only thing that makes any sense to me. Money into the business, from the fans. Working capital plus a return for the original investors.
It’s turned into a anti rangers site, as a tax payer I agreed with RTC investigation and he did a great job, but, now it’s all Celtic .
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” It’s turned into a anti rangers site, as a tax payer I agreed with RTC investigation and he did a great job, but, now it’s all Celtic . ”
I see , think I’ll just leave it there .
Pars Fan
We have taken great care to ensure this doesn’t happen. Please provide evidence?
That, after all, is the keynote of this site. Otherwise you know exactly conclusion will be drawn about your comment?
Where’s the comments where Regan never told us we weren’t getting kept in SPL yet he told Dundee they were being promoted.
Pars Fan says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:41
You just made it
Pars Fan says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:34
It may seem that way but if the blog is about the correct running of our game it is hard not to converse about the ragers /2012 fc situation as this is so contemptible it needs urgent attention .
For instance ,how do you feel about your club being relegated due to CW withholding PAYE/NIC to the tune of 15m to keep ragers going till the end of the season and the fact that the SPL/SFA delayed the obvious investigation into this that should have saw your club avoiding relegation .
Do you honestley think this scenario would have happened for any other team in Scottish football and please don’t say Celtic .
Domaine Jessiaume says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:48
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Direct Line may not reach flotation because it is being stalked by a number of VC firms who could pay RBS a premium to buy it off market. However if it does reach flotation, it may have something to do with the fact that it has a long distinguished history, a reputable board and its balance sheet has a net asset figure of £3BN at the bottom.
Any business wishing to float, apart from requiring £1M+ in professional costs to achieve that, needs reporting accountants to put their name to its figures and forecasts and to provide comfort to potential investors.
There is no firm of accountants in the UK, reputable enough to act as reporting accountants for an AIM flotation, that would even consider acting as reporting accountants for this purpose to Sevco Scotland any time in the foreseeable future.
Since you are not the author of the story, no one can be accusing you of making it up. The implication rather is that either your source, or your source’s source, is in possession of information that is grossly misleading, whether deliberately so (perish the thought) or not.
Pars Fan says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:34
I don’t think its turned into an anti-RFC(IA) site so perhaps you have the wrong end of the stick. I’m an Aberdeen fan and there are fans of other teams besides Celtic who post on here.
RTC does what it says on the tin so to speak and the RTC is the biggest sports story to happen in the history of British football (if not world football)
We all want to get to the bottom of the story AND put Scottish football on a sound footing for generations to come. The SFA/SPL/SFL are supposed to be the custodians of our game and presently, they are making a complete hash of things.
The MSM are performing as bad as our custodians (if not worse) and it is up to us fans to get all parties to improve the basic needs that we require to enable Scottish football to start improving on and off the park.
All we ask for is a level playing field and all teams to be treated equally.
I’m sure your chairman John Yorkston would appreciate that at the very least considering the way your club was treated.
slimshady61 says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:48
you would ot be suggesting boiler room would you
No, we deserved to be relegated cause we were bad, that is football, but Yorkston told us we would be kept up as Rangers will be voted out, then we read that email that Dundee were coming up when Regan or someone could have been up front with us from the start.
Pars Fan says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:34
It’s turned into a anti rangers site, as a tax payer I agreed with RTC investigation and he did a great job, but, now it’s all Celtic .
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Maybe you should think about anti corruption rather than anti Rangers (IASTBIL). Without a doubt the endemic and institutionalised corruption has been fully exposed by this saga. The irony being that it was Celtic supporters who went to great lenghts to venture where our fearless MSM feared to tread. If only those loyal Rangers supporters absorbed what Celtic supporters were telling them.
Well, they didn’t, and that, as they say will be history.
Numbers
D+P July Interim Report – Reported Administration Period: 14 Feb – 29 June [20 weeks]
8.4m Net expenditure made up by 4.8m in total wages costs and 3.6m in other running costs. Therefore the annual other running operations cost – without wages – can be calculated by 3.6m divided by 20 weeks is 180k per week multiplied by 52 weeks or 9.36m per annum. Historical accounts show that other operating costs are circa 14m. The 9.36m figure derived from administrators cut back expenditure operations may therefore be low as this has discounted debt accumulated in the 10 months financial year up to Feb 14. For examples bills may have been not paid for goods and services up to the administration period – [5.5m] that the administration have been able to take advantage of / taken benefit which tends to suggest the annual operational costs before wages are more than 9.36m pa and also supports the historical 14m pa for non playing operational expenditure level all things being equal. Add base fixed costs [when you have to pay all your debts] Insurance’s, rates exceptional items etc again on historical benchmarks and you can add 3m onto the 14m, to lets say 17m, then football debt of 3m – giving a 20m basic range of annual expenditure for this year – before all salaries and wage costs.
The 8.4m Net expenditure included 4.8m in total wages costs for the 20-week period averaging 240k pw. That equates to about 12.5m pa [and that time mostly at the 75% cut in players salaries]. Taken as a future guide – say a further 70% reduction to say 175k per week for all salaries is about 9m pa as a base estimate. So net annual expenditure is in the 28-30m range or 2.5m per month going forward late 2012.
You could add the trading shortfall over the summer now increase from the pro rata administration rate during the season. Trading shortfall over the 20 weeks from Feb to June 29 was 4m or averaged 200k per week. Without mainstream net income of 1m + per month I estimate increasing the summer trading shortfall to about 500k per week. [Before player movements]
So mid June “Sale to CG” ongoing to July 31st [6 weeks] would cost 3m or so, and to mid August say add another 2 weeks and another 1m for a total shortfall for the Summer of 4m.
But who covers / rather pays the full 6 weeks trading shortfall of this 3m trading shortfall from the “sale” in mid June to July 31st when CG actually scheduled to hand over the 5.5m wonga? Could it be as simple as we thought 5.5m purchase + 3m summer shortfall for the famous 8.5m CVA bid.
Consider the Summer ST boycott and the new “1m” Investor – gives enough cash to get to the season proper in mid August – but importantly with any receipts from player sales up to now as a float.
Ticket sales wont cover expenditure on their own so they’re reliant on end of season or staged payments throughout the season from other revenue streams, which surprisingly enough are at the end of the season or in staged say quarterly revenue payments.
So the ST boycott by self appointed fan leaders might be the kill-shot unless CG has say sufficient credit or Capital access [expensive] but there’s also the hope of an AIM flotation to raise cash. [oops!] Powers that be know there’s no money for that. CG now probably knows their hinterland can’t support a major cash call.
MSM quiet on that key game – there’s probably a huge subsidy rather advanced cash provision operation going on to keep the thing above water in the short term by the powers that be [notice their next community cup fixture rescheduling] – and – jabber & co plus the PR pariahs in play.
I am firmly convinced this sevco thing has no medium term sustainable future until the decent ber types are onboard [there’s enough on this blog forum] But the language and manners nay arrogance / disdain of the present lot or herd out there in public offer no hope – or will receive sympathy from the rest of the game based on their current attitude speeches or actions. It’s up to them and them alone to reset. It really is.
They have a belief their financial “might” allows them carte balance but test the numbers and it ain’t so
iamacant says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:50
As you say the MSM ……
heard a ragers fans on SSB tonight who more or less quoted the MSM /ally/jardine /green word for word about the punishments ragers had received and kicking them when they are down .
The panel nearly fell over themselves to point out to him how wrong he was and dismissed him as an idiot .It never dawned on them that they and their fellow hacks were responsible for his mindset as he has had it drummed into him all close season and had it backed up by the media .
Pars Fan
This blog is neither pro Celtic, nor anti Sevco
It is the son of RTC, and as such carries on the fight against the corruption that has ensured the survival of the spawn of RFC (IA), and all that goes along with it
For what it is worth, I am of the opinion that Dunfermline should have remained in the SPL
RFC (IA) were kept alive by the underhand tactics employed by the Double Ds in conjunction with, I suspect the SFA/SPL
RFC (IA) should have been liquidated before the end of the season, which would have ensured your club’s survival
Dunfermline were basically stitched up
two panda
so are you saying CG is issuing chips he can’t cash in
Forgive me im drunk , heard that Biily Joel song and have now sat for two hours re-writing it to suit the SEVCO/RFCIANIL
David Murray, Craig Whyte, Martin Bain, John McClelland,
Duff and Phelps, Murray Park, Ticketus, Ibrox Stadium
Bill Miller, Alex Salmond, Stuart Regan, television rights
HMRC, Sky TV, it all smells of sh*te,
Billy Dodds,Clyde one, Michael Johnson, were on a long one
Hugh Keevins, “Leagues in the bag” and “Rangers will never Die”
Bill Ng, Saudi King ?, Ranger’s got a new queen,
Admin, BDO, Waving Rangers goodbye
HMRC didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world’s been turning
We didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it
Joseph Stalin, David Murray, BBC Documentary
Mark daly, Alex Tomo, Rangers Tax Case,
Court of Session, David Grier, Doncaster, Bullying,
Placed in the 1st division, We are the Peepil
Lord Hodge , Longmuir, Scotlands got an insolvent team,
Charles Green, Paul Murray, EBT Scheme,
TUPE transfer ,Players Walk,Sponsord Walk ,SEVCO 5088,
Sevco Scotland, Albion Car Park, trouble in the SFA
HMRC didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world’s been turning
HMRC didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it
Channel 4,Jabba, Chick Young, Marc Guidi,
@STVGrant, Al Lamont, Pee Aee Whyy Eee
Fraud Sqaud , Sherrif Officers, Jean Alan Boumsong
Season Tickets, European Tickets , cauldron of bers,
Broxi Ber, Creditors , assets placed beyond reach, Ranjurs Mafia,
Hula hoops, Regan, SPL is a no-go,
David Murray Started the fire
It was always burning
Since hes been in the buidling
We didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it
HMRC didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world’s been turning
HMRC didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it
We didn’t start the fire
But when we are gone
Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on
Kilgore Trout says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:25
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You should then regain your previous grandeur.
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If that works….thanks.
Thank you campsiejoe
campsiejoe says:
August 3, 2012 at 21:03
could not have put it better myself
Yay! 😀
With reference to a share issue.
I have no doubt DJ is not making it up, I think this is what Green would have us believe. I do side with slimshady when he states that no accountant worth his salt would put his name to any prospectus.
Irrespective of the current financial climate I cannot see any institution underwriting a share issue for “Rangers” or Sevco. If past history is anything to go by it would be an unmitigated disaster, the bears have not shown willingness to put their hands in their pockets when things were good.
In my opinion Sevco will be bust before the turn of the year.
For those complaining about the EBT and Sevco centric discussions, while these subjects remain hot topics, they will continue to feature heavily on here. If anyone has a burning issue that they feel needs discussed, run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes 😀
If you feel REALLY REALLY strongly about something, why not contact our host about doing a guest blog?
jonny says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:58
The MSM have been akin to the North Korean regime with regards to brain washing. The vast majority of RFC(IA) supporters have fell for it hook, line and sinker with the exception of the sensible fair minded followers, some who post on here.
With enough pressure from blogs like these, supporters groups and trusts (including club chairmen), I’m sure change will come – eventually. Prepare yourself for a long hard slog by the way.
A culture takes a long time to change.
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” No, we deserved to be relegated cause we were bad, that is football, but Yorkston told us we would be kept up as Rangers will be voted out, then we read that email that Dundee were coming up when Regan or someone could have been up front with us from the start. ”
Pars Fan , I can see your pain , and it looks like Yorkston gave you a bum steer , but I have to say none of this gives any basis to your earlier comments traducing the integrity of this site . It is most certainly not a Celtic message board .
It is an all encompassing attempt to to tackle all that is wrong with Scottish football . If Dead Team appear as more of a focus than any other as the blog matures and progresses , perhaps there are legitimate reasons for that .
For you to dismiss this as “anti-Rangers” misses the point somewhat .
Hoopy 7 @ 21:11
It would appear Green and his cronies are living in the same fantasy world as the MBB
Given that it appears there are links with the MBB, that should not be surprising
HirsutePursuit says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:16
2. BOARD POWERS
The Board shall have full power to conduct and control the Competition and amend the Competition Rules as appropriate.
3. FORMAT
The Competition shall be contested by the clubs in the First, Second and Third Divisions in the current season and at the sole discretion of the Board two Clubs from any other league recognised by the SFA from time to time (a “Recognised League”).
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From SFL website
Ramsdens Cup First Round Draw
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Tuesday 12th June 2012
Highland League clubs Inverurie Locos and Wick Academy will join the 30 SFL sides in today’s draw for first round of the 2012/13 Ramsdens Cup that is being held at the home of holders Falkirk.
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Two teams were already invited. So were Sevco members of the SFL at the time of the Brechin match?
Pars Fan says:
August 3, 2012 at 20:51
If rfc(ia) had been playing by the rules like every other team in the league then The Pars would not have been relegated.
The fact that the pars were bottom of the league at the end of the season is irrelevant.
Rfc(ia) would not have completed the season if they had been paying paye/ni.
You have my sympathies mate.
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August 3, 2012 at 20:48
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Domaine Jessiaume says:
August 3, 2012 at 19:48
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Direct Line may not reach flotation because it is being stalked by a number of VC firms who could pay RBS a premium to buy it off market. However if it does reach flotation, it may have something to do with the fact that it has a long distinguished history, a reputable board and its balance sheet has a net asset figure of £3BN at the bottom.
Any business wishing to float, apart from requiring £1M+ in professional costs to achieve that, needs reporting accountants to put their name to its figures and forecasts and to provide comfort to potential investors.
There is no firm of accountants in the UK, reputable enough to act as reporting accountants for an AIM flotation, that would even consider acting as reporting accountants for this purpose to Sevco Scotland any time in the foreseeable future.
Since you are not the author of the story, no one can be accusing you of making it up. The implication rather is that either your source, or your source’s source, is in possession of information that is grossly misleading, whether deliberately so (perish the thought) or not.
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I posted the information on here this morning. I am the author.
The source is primary.
The rest of your post is waffle, with all due respect. RFC are selling to fans. What investor would plough money into a third division Scottish football club? The usual rules do not apply. Either the fans will buy in or they won’t, but Chicco is aiming for October.
By the way, is the information about the Davis fee made up?
I’ll say no more though, because I know you’ll be big enough to admit you are wrong when the time comes. Perish the thought indeed.
Anyone else think that the SFA were complicit in the corruption (IMO) of ragers avoiding paying the taxes due to exchequer .
Why were sevco allowed a temporary licence(never heard of before ) to fulfil the Ramsden cup game
Was it to avoid a problem with the company name changing , IMO the fans forcing their clubs to decline 2012fc entry gave 2012 fc and the SFA a problem that was not expected .
If they had got their way 2012 fc would not have had an official fixture before the name change so had to invent the temporary licence ,so they could issue the actual licence to The ragers fc .
Now here is the thing if last weeks licence was for sevco who will be playing in the next round .
Another thing if the spl share only changed hands today how was there even a place in the SFL for sevco to play in that tie ,if ragers (IA) were still in the spl then there could be no place for Dundee ,so then there could not have been a place in the SFL for sevco .
You see were I am going with this .How many rules (stop laughing at the back )were bent/broken /made up/ignored just to allow 2012 fc to play in that one game and allowing the name change .
I think there is more need for this blog to keep this story running as IMO the cheating in our game has not stopped and won’t stop in the near future
Testing the reclaiming of rab as my posting name.
Lord Wobbly.
My pleasure. Though I can’t claim any great level of technobuffery. Only found this out myself by muddling around.
Pars Fan.
I, too, think you were shafted.
This is just another example of the behaviour of those who would are prepared to break the rules they are there to protect to get their own way.
The worry is that they are now believing they can get away with it and therefore won’t hesitate to continue doing so.
I know that your Chairman said he would be seeking some kind of compensation for what happened. Do you know how that’s going?
jonny says:
August 3, 2012 at 21:26
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Why were sevco allowed a temporary licence(never heard of before ) to fulfil the Ramsden cup game…
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It was a conditional licence. Unprecedented. So there you go Killie and Herts. Dump your debts for free only in Scotchland byraway.
why would the english fa pay 500k to newco in the first place? davis was a free agent at the time as he chose not to TUPE. besides, if there was any monies due, the signing club would be liable, no?
Bayviewgold
I write from experience of making things happen in terms of SFA reform and Im happy to share that unique experience with folk interested in achieving that objective.
Supporters direct is the official attempt at involving supporters in the running of their clubs and so the perfect avenue to take.
My concern though is that there is a degree of lip service being paid to the aim by football itself SFA, clubs etc and a little bit of anger at football governors would not be out of place.
If possible I would like a motion of no confidence to emerge from that conference but that is not the purpose of the conference, so introducing the no confidence issue via the workshops is one way to get the issue of lost trust and what to do about restoring it on the public agenda.
Just as in the lead up to the SPL vote concerns NOT associated with Celtic or their support were most effective, it would be best if the lead were to come from supporters of other clubs which is why I’m relaxed on whether what I say is taken up or not.
Kilgore Trout.
I used your advice to Lord Wobbly too, thanks.
27sclash.
ClashCityRockers can be reclaimed using KT’s advice.
iamacant says:
August 3, 2012 at 21:11
Agree it will be a long hard slog but if truth be known the game as it stood was always going to fail .
IMO this was a wake up call for Scottish football and it has to decide where to go from here .
Make sure every club lives within it’s means or allow be reliant on outside influences dictating to them and going back to a flawed set up
jonny says:
August 3, 2012 at 21:26
Jonny, I think that you have hit the nail on the head. The worst thing about the corruption of the SFA/SPL/SFL was that after the SFL vote, it was all carried out in the open. And that all of the clubs have colluded in it, Celtic and Raith Rovers included.
They will try once again next year to get Sevco into the SPL. I expect the tactic will be to try and lure fans into buying season tickets early (probably via “Early Bird” discounts) and then announce the restructuring at the last possible moment. They will do their best not to allow the fans to have any influence.
We must remain vigilant.
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/clubs/challenge-cup/
This has both Dundee and Rangers in the Ramsden cup.
As noted at 21:18 two teams were previously invited by the SFL. However from the page on the link above, only one of the invited teams are shown, Inverurie Locos. Wick seem to have had their invitation withdrawn at that time.
However Wick played Raith Rovers in the first round.
Jonny,
I think your spot on.
I keep going on about Black & Little’s registration, which in your scenario is another aspect of the required invention of a conditional licence to play before the name change.
Does the name change however mean that all Sevco players have now been registered to two clubs, the maximum allowed in one season. In my view Black & Little were not registered in time for the Brechin game and might only have been signed to one club, depending on if they were registered today as they were supposed to be.
The silence from Brechin FC might however lead one to consider that they have been assured that Sevco had all thr players properly registered, although trialists with 2 and 3 year contratcs are a new one on me.
Have Sevco or the PFA advised the players of the implications of being registered with two clubs, or the potential for this to be the case?, as it could seriously shaft anyone looking to leave. In my view again, they were foolish to stay if they had any prospect of a move elsewhere, especially if Sevco wont have the finances to survive the season.
The complicity of the SFA in all this is a further disservice to the players involved.
Frank forrest.
I remember seeing somewhere ( cant mind when or where) that southampton would be using the FA and tha SFA as a go between to deal with the transfer fee ( if any ) for davis.
The 196k to be deducted, is this the 160k fine and what else. I think the creditors report showed the SFA and SPL were owed sums in the region of 15-20k. Could this 196k be closer to the nominal fee thats in debate just now. Are the SFA and SPL about to satisfy their debts and pass on any surplus to TRFC while member club debts go unpaid.
Testing apologies fellow bampots.
27sclash says:
August 3, 2012 at 21:34
No matter the made up name for the licence ,you are correct regards the message sent out to all the other struggling clubs but you forget one very important fact none of them are /were RFC it really is a simple as that I’m afraid
Auldheid says:
August 3, 2012 at 16:29
‘….There is a perfect opportunity coming up to tell the SFA that supporters have lost trust in their ability to govern football fairly and demanding that the SFA tell us what they are going to
do to restore that confidence, not platitudes but an action plan.
The opportunity comes in the form of a conference on 19th August at Falkirk Stadium..’
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Auldheid, I agree generally of course that dialogue and discussion within a part of a recognised group is the way to shape a view that can be expressed with some hope that it may be listened to.
In my earlier observation about the Supporters Direct , I expressed some cynicism at the fact that they have had absolutely nothing to say about the way the SFA in particular has dealt with the problems caused by the club that used to be in the SPL.
Now, and all of a sudden, as it seems, they pop up. But only to talk about ‘re-construction’, and with the main guest speaker none other than a man who openly avowed that money comes before principle or sporting integrity.
There was a reply to that observation to the effect that the SD had been talking about league re-construction for a number of years.
I’ve no reason to doubt that they have. We all have, in one context or another, before and after Henry’s report.
Nevertheless, the fact that the first public meeting that I’ve heard them announce is about re-construction suggests to me that they are working to an agenda that says a line must drawn, we must all ‘move forward , going forward’ and let’s get the offending club back into the top level asap.
In other words, I ( perhaps wrongly) believe that they have no stomach for having a real go at the lying, the rule-breaking, the bending-over (backwards or forwards, take your pick) and the straining of every muscle clearly manifest in the actions and words of influential and implicated senior officials within the authorities, aimed at protecting the offending club from the worst consequences of its own actions..
I am therefore hesitant about lending any faith in the SD as being a body that is ready to voice distrust in the SFA and seriously challenge them.
(At the very least, the agenda for the conference should specifically have included some opportunity for debate and discussion on the biggest bit of unsavoury business that the Scottish Football world has known.)
I imagine that any attempt in the ‘workshops’ to raise the matter will be ruled out of order.
Having said that, I might just be tempted to go along and put things to the test.
Diplomatically,of course.