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Cluster OneJuly 19, 2016 at 21:42  PLGLENJULY 19, 2016 at 21:16 …

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Cluster OneJuly 19, 2016 at 21:42 
PLGLENJULY 19, 2016 at 21:16 So no manager in Scottish football should be allowed to voice their opinion, in order that fans can make their own mind up about things? It looks like the smsm only ask one manager his opinion on everything and anything,and his word is now treated as gospel.And the fans are told their minds are made up they don’t need an opinion.
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And the opinions of fans of all but one club are mocked by the media should they dare try to express them, even when those opinions match the law of the land precisely!

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incredibleadamsparkJuly 21, 2016 at 09:56 
ALLYJAMBO, Dave King is a dodgy fellow no doubt, and Rangers have had a few of them. It’s great that you have Anne Budge in charge now but as a Hearts fan you’ll also have experience of people that ideally would get nowhere near Scottish football. 
How does that happen? Lack of rules in place to protect the clubs. These people are always worth keeping an eye on. 
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I don’t blame the SFA for passing Romanov as fit and proper, George Foulkes had apparently used his government connections to check him out? and, without a criminal record, it’s pretty hard for an organisation like the SFA to get a better clearance than that!!

On the other hand, when someone has a very public criminal record, it should be easy for the SFA to judge his fit and proper status, but they then have to decide whether to stick by the spirit of their own rules, or allow a criminal to hold power via a holding company in a way that means the holding company chairman is, in fact, the ‘conscience’ of the club itself. 

I think it is reasonable to assume that Hearts are in honest hands, as it is with another 40 clubs in the SPFL, but there is still one where that assumption might be classed as dangerous, and indeed, downright stupid.


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incredibleadamsparkJuly 21, 2016 at 09:07 
UTH, Rangers are certainly a poorly run club on any number of levels but currently there are no financial rules, that I’m aware of, that have been broken. So I’m not sure what they are getting away with and what rules Celtic are following. 
I’d like to see strict financial fair play but on the other hand there has been a recalibration of finances within the game since Rangers liquidation and exit from the top flight. There seems to be more financial reality in the game these days. Less so at Ibrox.
Until rules are in place to stop clubs making significant losses then it’s allowed to happen. Whether that’s fair or not. 
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Adam, I think the words I have highlighted are the most important in your post, for wherever a man like Dave King abides, there is scant chance of some financial rules not being broken, whether they be football rules or the laws of the land, he clearly has no respect for either! He even broke the AIM rules , or, at least, showed them no respect, and as a result, your ‘that I am aware of’ is of a major significance.


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PLGLENJULY 19, 2016 at 21:29 
AllyjamboJuly 19, 2016 at 21:03And yet the SMSM steadfastly refuse to ask him why he was incommunicado for so long, or at least choose to accept his rather weak explanation, while attending so many Warbspeaks,————————I have no idea why he didn’t say anything – he certainly should have – my son is a Hibbee and I congratulated him.
But your post, if you don’t mind me saying, is just another in a long line of posts of why a manager cannot express his opinion on anything because he either did or didn’t say something previously. My apologies if I have picked you up wrong.
The fact that the MSM seem to take their pick of what he says does not mean that everything he says is rubbish – as appears to be the default position on this website.
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At no point have I, or anyone else, said that a manager cannot express his opinion, but it is rather gaulling to constantly read the opinions of the same person, delivered in a way that suggests his opinion is of greater standing than those who’s opinions are seldom sought, especially when he more often than not expresses the obvious, as in the latest case. I’m sure you are aware that it would be better to send a young player out on loan to a club where he will learn more than to a smaller club with lesser facilities and less able coaches. On the other hand, it might have been considered informative and worth while if he’d bothered to explain why it might be that his players don’t find their way abroad/to England on loan. 

It might also be worthwhile reading why, after being critical (in the most respectful way, of course) of Robbie Neilson making big changes to the Hearts squad after winning the Championship, he has done (well we must assume it was him) the very same with TRFC. That, along with so much more that could, and should, be asked of Warburton and TRFC, will never be asked by a media that only publishes what they are given, and not what proper journalists would seek to publish! 

As it is part of this blog’s purpose to inspect and be critical of the Scottish media, it is also part of that purpose to be critical of those who use that media to get their message out. By being forever featured in the succulent press, Mark Warburton has become a major part of the TRFC PR machine, something that has been used to disguise much of what has been unsavoury at Ibrox since long before we’d even heard of Mark Warburton.

If you think it is wrong for us to only be critical of what he says, perhaps you might give us your take on his utterings rather than to just be critical of his critics.


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Big PinkJanuary 2, 2018 at 13:54 
AJI suspect the TDs are not from SFM folk (remember the ratings are available to all manner of trolls). It is a disgusting world-view if made in earnest. A shocking way to score a point if not.
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I didn’t, for a moment, suspect they were from anyone who posts here, even the more prolific troll posters are better than that, I am sure. 

For some time now I have had the feeling that there is someone, or some people, coming on here and just TDing a number of posts without bothering to read their content, either out of malice or as some sort of concerted effort on behalf of people with reason to dislike our message. It really is quite strange how, suddenly, a number of posts receive one, two or occasionally three thumbs down in very short order, and often posts like uth’s, that could offend no one, receive these petty TDs as a result. 

I can honestly say that I have never read anything from our regular, or occasional, posters that might suggest they would TD anything relating to that terrible day. I include, of course, all supporters of Celtic and RFC/TRFC who have, over the years, made their arguments on SFM. My experience of Celtic supporters talking of that day is one that leaves me certain in the knowledge that only the basest of their support (and we all have them) were not badly effected by the disaster and in full sympathy with the deceased, their families and the wider Rangers support. 

I can still remember that night, sitting in the Queens Arms in Edinburgh, watching the death count rising on the TV, waiting for one of our mates we knew was at the game, getting more and more nervous until he appeared. It had a lasting effect on me.


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On this day in 1971, the Ibrox disaster happened during a Rangers v Celtic game at Ibrox. 66 fans died in a crush. Some of us remember that day, some of us may even have been there, while some of us would not even be on this earth at the time. We are all football fans. Nobody should go to a football match and never return home. Rest in Peace.
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Wow! I know we are not meant to put much store on the thumbs up or down, but two people have given thumbs down to this post! Who on earth could find fault with a post respecting the dead from the Ibrox disaster?

It kind of confirms my belief that there are people coming onto this site who don’t read the posts, but are assigned with the task of creating the appearance that there is some disagreement with posts that mostly criticise Rangers(IL) and TRFC and hit the TD button without thought.

Alternatively, of course, it could just be that others, like myself, have difficulty hitting the correct symbol on tablets or mobile phones, I certainly hope that is the case here.

Thanks to Upthehoops for reminding us of that sad day, something we should do every year as a mark of respect for those who died on Scottish football’s worst day.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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DBD, though I used your above post to highlight the impossibility of separating club from company, I have to agree, to some extent, with the thrust of the post. While I am not sure that by declaring himself bankrupt that King could escape the wrath of the TOP and CoS, he isn’t going to do anything for the benefit of your club if it doesn’t benefit him, or save him, at the same time.

That said, however, King’s ‘ownership’ of the NOAL Trust was established in court to the judge’s satisfaction, and I doubt that he would get away with making further loans to RIFC plc through it or any other hidden avenue, once declared bankrupt. Indeed, despite my limited knowledge of bankruptcy laws, I am certain that King (or anyone else) can’t just announce bankruptcy and clear themselves of all fiscal responsibilities, they have to prove they have no money to meet their debts, and as far as we know, King doesn’t have any – and if he had, the court would make sure the funds in his NOAL Trust would be used to meet them, as far as possible, with, I am sure, an investigation into what other (disguised)investments he holds. One thing’s for sure, he would not be allowed to ‘lend’ any money to RIFC/TRFC, and, if he does, indeed, have substantial debts, his creditors might well force the return of his existing RIFC loans to meet his debts.

One thing’s for sure, the law will not allow someone to avoid the consequences of breaking the laws and regulations of the land by availing one’s self of the laws of bankruptcy! While a little tax cheating scrote like Barry Ferguson might get away with transferring his assets to his wife, just prior to receiving his tax bill, King and his money are already on the court’s radar and I doubt that even his Masonic connections would be enough to let him get away with further fraudulent behaviour.

Something I am sure of, and has to be considered before wondering if bankruptcy is a way out for both/either King or RIFC, and that is – you have to have debts that you demonstrably can’t meet before you can petition for bankruptcy. Unless King has very substantial debts, that outweigh, at least, the funds held in the NOAL Trust, then he has no grounds to declare himself bankrupt.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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Hi, DBD, and a Happy New Year to you.

While your recent posts have been pretty good, showing a realistic approach to what’s happening at your club, might I ask how it could be that the chairman of RIFC’s selfishness, and I presume you include his dishonesty in that, could lead to your club’s downfall, if, as you’ve previously claimed, the club is separate from the company? Surely, in your belief structure, it would only be the company, TRFC Ltd, that would ‘fall down’, and the club would just sit around, responsible for none of the inherent financial chicanery of the ‘overspend our way to success’ ethos that permeates at Ibrox, until some new ‘football company’ is set up to carry the can again!

I know it’s a bit early in the year to reintroduce the OC/NC debate, but I am wondering if you’ve, perhaps, come to realise that the idea that a football club can, for some skewed reason, escape the consequences of it’s own greed, is pretty ludicrous?


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ODDJOBJANUARY 1, 2018 at 13:42
Allyjambo,Thanks.I also suspect that the assignation of ” ra deeds” would provoke an angry response in some quarters
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And I suspect that the assignation of ‘ra deeds’, should it ever come to pass, might well be the last throw of the dice! What’s more, once any assets are used as security, it reduces the amount the current lenders are likely to get in the event of liquidation. It may well be that the directors, who are now refusing to give more loans, have, rather than reached the end of their free funds, decided that the lending has reached a level greater than, or close to, the total value of the group’s assets.

It’s one thing lending without security when in a position to ensure there is enough in the pot to, more or less, cover the amount of the loans, it’s an altogether different thing once someone else gets that security!

Whatever the accounts give as a value for the fixed and current assets, the directors will all have a very good idea of the realisable value of those assets (particularly the heritable asset value), and should total creditors begin to outstrip that value, they may well begin to wonder if it’s time to call in the administrators. Granting security over some of the heritable assets would only hasten the moment for unpleasant decisions.

If PMGB is correct in saying King is looking out for loans secured on the club’s heritable assets, then I am certain that the rest of the directors would carry out proper due diligence on the potential lenders before granting any security. Not that they have any dodgy characters in their midst, or anything, just that they are canny businessmen.


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