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.. and they wonder why nobody buys papers

As most of you will be aware, the Guardian recently agreed to and accepted payment from CQN for an advertisement which was intended to raise awareness of the Resolution 12 issue, an issue pursued determinedly by Celtic shareholders for the last three years. Subsequently, and citing the thinnest of excuses, they decided not to run the ad. This developed hard on the heels of the Herald actually soliciting the business from the advertisers for their own paper, and then without even seeing the copy, refusing to move forward. (See CQN story here)

guardianGateA troubling aspect of GuardianGate is that CQN were lied to. They were initially advised that the ad was to be removed after editorial scrutiny. Subsequently they were advised that the decision came from an intervention by senior officials.

 

We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

So which was true – and which was the lie?

Here’s a thing about the truth; it is seldom complicated, which is why the failure by the Guardian and the Herald to deliver a straightforward answer implies that there may be more to this nonsense than any of us first imagined.

At this point, it is worth noting that the Guardian is currently running an ad campaign by Toyota, a company who have admitted lying to environmental regulatory bodies for years about emissions from their cars (the Guardian professes to be a major campaigner on environmental issues), but won’t accept a paying ad that asks some polite and important questions about the conduct of a multi-million pound industry.

The denial  of the Res 12 guys’ right to ask questions (no accusations – just bloody questions) via the once assumed to be pluralist and free press, should be ringing alarm bells all over the country, and the substantive issue has become largely irrelevant as a consequence. We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

Two so-called quality newspapers, have mysteriously, after touting for advertising business, refused that very same business, and have given no good reason for doing so. If  the Guardian refuse to accept an ad, I don’t believe that is censorship in itself, but when the dwindling number of newspaper proprietors in this country conspire to arrange an effective blackout of ideas, that is quite clearly censorship.

And for something so relatively inconsequential as football, I can only assume that we have all stumbled on to something far more serious.

Given the recent media rhetoric about Russia Today and their forthright coverage of Chilcot and Tory Election Fraud, it seems that like so many of the players in this saga, the irony circuit in the collective press brain is now as devolved as a human tail.

There are dark forces at work in our country, and they are running riot with basic freedoms.  However it is important to put the football issue into the proper perspective; if the media can go to these corrupt lengths for a game of football, what will they do to protect the capital interests of arms manufacturers, food producers and media dictatorships?

They may have lost the war, but through fix after fix at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, the authorities are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right

Support for the SFA © Scotsman

Migrant fruit-pickers
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Back in soccer La-La-Land’s Mount Florida Fruit Factory, the football authorities most definitely lost the recent war. RFC went out of business and failed the fundamental task of any football club – to sustain itself. In allowing that to happen on their watch, the authorities failed in their most fundamental role – to keep RFC alive.

However through fix after fix, at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, they are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right.

And still, even in this atmosphere, the major shareholders at all of our clubs sit and do nothing. Are they part of the problem, an integral part of the conspiracy? Or are they scared witless of the forces that may line up against them if they dare to grow a pair, like the Resolution 12 guys?

Sporting integrity has taken a back seat recently. Season ticket sales are up all over the place; Celtic provided a marquee manager; the red tops are ablaze about the ‘return’ of the Rangers; Hearts and Aberdeen are newly emerged from financial difficulty, and now enjoy the realistic prospect of new eras of success; and another competitive and exciting year beckons in the Championship.

 

In normal circumstances this would be fantastic news. But all of it is based on a Lie – the Lie that the game is run according to the rules, and for the benefit of all clubs. When the euphoria at Parkhead dies down; when TRFC are reinstalled (actually it will need to be with a shoehorn, but it will be done) as part of the old duopoly that sees the vital contribution made by the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen and others as insignificant; when the next major ‘bending’ of the regulations becomes necessary; all we will be left with is that Big Lie.

The clubs will eventually have to deal with that – and the complicit roles they played in ramming it down each and every one of our throats.

I hope we make them pay.

 

Another thing about the truth though is this;

Everyone with skin in this game, with the exception of the mentally deficient, know exactly what the truth is;

  • RFC cheated;
  • RFC evaded, avoided, and deliberately withheld payment of tax;
  • RFC failed to register players properly over (at least) a decade;
  • RFC lied to the SFA, the SPL and LNS;
  • Whilst all the above was happening, RFC won over a dozen on-field prizes;
  • The SFA rewrote the terms of LNS to better tailor their preferred outcome;
  • RFC were punished by way of a £250k fine. No other penalties were suffered by RFC;
  • RFC entered liquidation and a new club, which co-existed with RFC, began playing in competition BEFORE RFC’s SFA/SPL membership lapsed;
  • That club (TRFC for differentiation purposes) just achieved promotion to the Premiership;

As long as we keep reminding everyone of those truths, as long as we continue to give them a voice, they won’t go away.

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

The irony (and I exclude the TRFC fans who frequent this site) is that TRFC, despite having the weight of the football and press establishments behind them, are being done no favours at all.

The increasing pariah status of their club is a sad but inevitable consequence of the wrong-doing by the old club, because the fans (understandably to be fair) seek to side with their own partisan interests in the face of outside hostility.

But think of this. If the initial-ism ‘RFC’ above was replaced by the name of any other club in the country, wouldn’t TRFC fans be complaining as loudly as the rest of us?

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

What if they run roughshod over the same rules that were broken before but remain unfixed? What if, as a consequence, a compliant TRFC are denied an opportunity to play in Europe, or compete in a final, or win a league?

Will we then still be ‘Rangers haters’ if we protest about that or merely Hearts or Dons or Celtic haters?

This is not about revenge – it never has been – and no amount of wishful thinking will make it so. For most of us on SFM, there is no RFC to have our revenge on anyway, so the accusation makes no sense.

What we are about, what we are all about, is weeding out the clucken wort in Scotland’s football garden on level six at Hampden.

And it appears that some extraordinarily powerful individual or group, with enough muscle to bend the fourth estate to their will, wants to keep us all away from that garden..

 

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:26 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Just noticed, there’s more fake stats from the same tweeter that Sky put up on the screen that have been highlighted by the Scotsman, again in a tweet that I can’t copy over.

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dom16

dom16Posted on12:55 pm - Jul 13, 2016


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/sky-sports-use-fake-lincoln-red-imps-stats-after-celtic-loss-1-4176297

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John ClarkPosted on1:24 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Far be it from me to refrain from kicking SkySports and all associated with their coverage of Scottish Football( I would wish sometimes to be a hobnailed-booted centipede  so that I could kick better) but at least they didn’t make up the false stats!
As we know to the cost of Sporting Integrity and honest Football Governance ,there are  those in the SMSM who are not above fabricating material and/or passing off lies as the Truth. Centipede? No, make that ‘millipede’, and steel toe-capped boots!

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on2:28 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Yes, the CFC result is embarrassing, but like “Wee Chesney’s” poor start against Art Media, [who?], it should come good for Rodgers.

As mentioned above, the early start of the Euro competitions is a bit ridiculous.  Fans needs a break as well as players !  
The SFA should at least be asking questions of UEFA… 

And wrt the SFA – and the issuance of licences to senior clubs for next season.
Does anyone know if those licences have already been approved for next season ?
If so, TRFC must have submitted a business plan – again – without query from Hampden.
…whilst Phil has reported that his sources are quoting a further “GBP6M to GBP8M” of external funding is required to complete next season – and that excludes any stadium repairs.

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shug

shugPosted on3:10 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Yep Celtic were utter urine and there can be no excuse for those players however they could have had 3 or 4 goals easy but that fake park was ridiculous what was that stuff that the players were inhaling every time they had a kick or the ball bounced.The ball bounced 10 to 15 feet back up in the air each time it was hoofed those kinds of “grass” pitches should be outlawed they would be as well playing on red blaze, players couldn’t even stay on their feet and anyone relying on speed and twisting and turning had no chance. My knees are done these days heaven knows what they would be like if all the games I played had been on that stuff and I only played sunday league if I was a playing now I am afraid I would refuse to play on that rubbish.

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shug

shugPosted on3:50 pm - Jul 13, 2016


I see the latest is that 1 diddy team from a diddy league beating another diddy team from a diddy league has sent shockwaves around the world lol.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on4:17 pm - Jul 13, 2016


shugJuly 13, 2016 at 15:50 
I see the latest is that 1 diddy team from a diddy league beating another diddy team from a diddy league has sent shockwaves around the world lol.
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I’m shocked, Shug, sho I am…

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on4:42 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Headline from the DR;

“Rangers manager Mark Warburton lines up swoop for Leicester City forward Joe Dodoo”

In my haste, I initially misread the player’s surname, but thought it quite apt he was joining an extinct club…  14

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on7:22 pm - Jul 13, 2016


just cleaning out my computer and came across this.
The accounts show that TRFCL owes parent company Rangers International football club plc (RIFC)£15.667 million which are repayable on demand.But the controlling holding company had no intention to claim the money back “in the forseeable future”.
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Is this still relevant?
And did i not read somewhere that it had to be paid back by Dec 2016?
As i said just cleaning out my computer, saw this and it jogged a memory, but can’t remember what it was all about.

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scottcPosted on8:30 pm - Jul 13, 2016


CLUSTER ONEJULY 13, 2016 at 19:22 3 1  Rate This 
just cleaning out my computer and came across this.The accounts show that TRFCL owes parent company Rangers International football club plc (RIFC)£15.667 million which are repayable on demand.But the controlling holding company had no intention to claim the money back “in the forseeable future”.—————-Is this still relevant?And did i not read somewhere that it had to be paid back by Dec 2016?As i said just cleaning out my computer, saw this and it jogged a memory, but can’t remember what it was all about.

It is the money from the share issue in RIFC. I can’t say I remember anything about it having to be paid back by any particular date, but it WAS reducing. It was about £18.5m originally, as far as I can recall.

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easyJamboPosted on8:48 pm - Jul 13, 2016


Cluster One July 13, 2016 at 19:22
Is this still relevant? And did i not read somewhere that it had to be paid back by Dec 2016? As i said just cleaning out my computer, saw this and it jogged a memory, but can’t remember what it was all about.
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The inter company figure rom the 2015 Accounts was actually £18.099M.

The sum is made up of the net proceeds of the Dec-12 IPO and the Sep-14 share offer, less the accumulated losses of running the RIFC part of the business.  The sums from the two share issues were “loaned” by RIFC to TRFC.

RIFC does not report its accounts separately from the operational part of the business (TRFC).  RIFC’s costs are effectively paid for by TRFC, by reducing the inter-company balance. (£581K in 2015, £516K in 2014 and £332K in 2013)

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on8:58 pm - Jul 13, 2016


So that’s me telt ! The Rangers will “defo” win the SPL (not Premiership) this season, and last night’s result cemented that fact . Aberdeen are gash and narrowly scraped by a slightly better diddy club than the one that beat Celtic . They might be deliberately sabotaging The Rangers path when they “return” to Europe by lowering the co-efficient . And we’re getting relegated . All this at a friendly family funeral ! Only got peace when I asked where I could find the annual accounts .

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theredpillPosted on9:03 pm - Jul 13, 2016


STEVEBC
Rogers better get it right or Desmond,Lawell etc will shit their self when the mass exodus of Celtic supporters realise they have been conned . This was a signing to say all is well move on.My opinion is he is not up to the job and that was before Celtic signed him up.

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theredpillPosted on9:22 pm - Jul 13, 2016


While I am on a roll 🙂

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on9:28 pm - Jul 13, 2016


SCOTTCJULY 13, 2016 at 20:30
EASYJAMBOJULY 13, 2016 at 20:48
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It was quite, so i looked it up
Rangers Ltd reports debts of £16.1m owed to Rangers International plcRead more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/business/business-news/rangers-ltd-reports-debts-161m-3396502#SzYqFVM9Ykh2zoTb.99
TRIFC notes the amounts owed to Rangers International “are unsecured, repayable on demand and do not accrue interest”. It adds: “The parent company has indicated that it has no intention to recall the balance in the foreseeable future”.
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just how seable is the foreseeable future?

back to cleaning out computer

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on9:38 pm - Jul 13, 2016


My take on the Scottish clubs’ performances, so far, is that they all look about the same stage of their pre-season preparations. They have played pre-season games that just happen to be in European competitions. All three have played poorly in their first games. All three will improve, Hearts did in the first half of their second game, but looked tired in the second half. With luck, all three will progress to rounds 3. Hibs have the hardest start of all, tomorrow night, and will do well to progress, but they will have benefitted from the experience and be better prepared for an important season ahead.

This weekend, the rest of Scottish football starts their pre-season games, again in a competition, and they will all have problems with match fitness, though all will be at the same level of preparedness as every other team, in proportion to their abilities/facilities.

Who knows? this competitive edge to pre-season might very well lead to an excellent league season in Scotland at all levels!

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John ClarkPosted on10:23 pm - Jul 13, 2016


THEREDPILLJULY 13, 2016 at 21:03
‘….My opinion is he is not up to the job and that was before Celtic signed him up.’
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There are opinions, THEREDPILL, and there are fatuous observations made without any really reasonable basis.
Had you expressed that opinion of  Deila after his first game ( or even before his first game) not a few folk might have shared your assessment of him.
But, really, the whole of European football informed opinion reckons Rodgers as a pretty decent coach at a pretty decent level and with a pretty decent CV.
You are, of course, entitled to express an opinion.
But, in my opinion, your opinion on this occasion seems to be naive and ill-informed and not in any way evidence-based.

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John ClarkPosted on10:57 pm - Jul 13, 2016


THEREDPILLJULY 13, 2016 at 21:22
‘…While I am on a roll’
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Thanks for the link to The Clumpany, by the way. I would have missed that otherwise. 

Now, whatever any of us have by way of opinions of Dave King, we can all agree that our opinions are founded on the incontrovertible fact that the South African Court’s opinion of him was thoroughly based on  equally incontrovertible evidence02

The Clumpany’s humourous comments actually point up the peculiar Alice-in-Wonderland  world of Company Law, and the concept of the ‘corporate veil’ under which, as I understand it, the legal distinction between the human beings who run a company and the company they run has been drawn to exaggerated lengths.Directors of a company can end up taking legal action against another company which is wholly owned by the company they themselves ‘own’.

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theredpillPosted on11:04 pm - Jul 13, 2016


John Clark ,disagree

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HaywirePosted on11:04 pm - Jul 13, 2016


I’m sorry lads and lasses, and I know this is completely OT, but the absolute buffoon Johnson as Foreign Secretary!!  To say that I am stunned is an understatement.  This is an offence to civilised living in the UK.  I struggle to comprehend why St. Theresa thinks that it is necessary to lower herself to this level.  The man is an abomination.

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John ClarkPosted on11:37 pm - Jul 13, 2016


THEREDPILLJULY 13, 2016 at 23:04
‘…opinoins are what this sit is about,.’
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Ach, TRP, I know that.
But, really, there’s no real point in  airing an opinion, without expecting  folk to ask you to say why you have that opinion,and  sort of argue your case.
Like, if you had said he picked the wrong team, or hadn’t seen that the ground conditions required a street-football , pavement-kerb  ‘unpredictability’ awareness, or made the substitutions too late, and the wrong substitutions at that, then fine.Others might not agree, but they could see where you might be coming from, and discussion can follow.
I would never deny you or anyone the right to express an opinion.
But it is so much more interesting if there is a reason for the opinion.
In my opinion.

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John ClarkPosted on11:47 pm - Jul 13, 2016


THEREDPILLJULY 13, 2016 at 23:04
‘…John Clark ,disagree.’
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Fine, but see my post of 23.37 above, which,of course, I hadn’t seen  before I saw yours of 23.04!
( I can’t always sit at the lap-top continuously, I regret to say)

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John ClarkPosted on12:33 am - Jul 14, 2016


JOHN CLARKJULY 13, 2016 at 23:47
‘…Fine, but see my post of 23.37 above, which,of course, I hadn’t seen before I saw yours of 23.04!’
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What I meant, of course, was that I hadn’t seen TRP’s post of 23.04 before I wrote that post at 23.37, as I hope most readers will have understood!

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Campbellsmoney

CampbellsmoneyPosted on11:27 am - Jul 14, 2016


I was in The 20 Horseshoe

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woodstein

woodsteinPosted on11:54 am - Jul 14, 2016


Haywire
July 13, 2016 at 23:04
 
OOPS!
“Boris Johnson in charge of MI6’: Internet baffled by choice of new UK foreign secretary”
 

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Big PinkPosted on1:55 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Hi folks. Just brushing off the jet-lag and getting ready to get back to work.

On the agenda for the next few weeks is finding new premises (lease run out on Sandyford), revamping the website, and (at last) starting broadcasts on the radio initiative.

We are still very keen to have volunteers to do some radio shows, either as presenters or technicians. Location is not important on that score.

In the meantime, does anyone know what Jimmy Bone is doing? A guy from RSA has contacted us trying t locate him.

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ignoreme

ignoremePosted on2:15 pm - Jul 14, 2016


@ Big Pink

Looks like Jimmy is working for a local high school in Stirling.

http://www.wallacehigh.org.uk/school-of-sport/football

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on2:18 pm - Jul 14, 2016


BP 
   Welcome back.  Does this help?   09

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-to-let/property-58653869.html

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Pat ByrnePosted on2:20 pm - Jul 14, 2016


BP
Apparently Mr Gove has some spare time on his hands, sadly Liz Truss is not available her speech seemingly impressed the new PM
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=liz+truss+speech+pork&oq=liz+tr&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l2j35i39.9211j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

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bluPosted on2:23 pm - Jul 14, 2016


In the meantime, does anyone know what Jimmy Bone is doing? A guy from RSA has contacted us trying t locate him.

Who’d have thought – the new Van Gogh or Landseer? 

Player and Coach Development Officer Jimmy Bone
Scottish FA Central Region Office
University of Stirling
Stirling, FK9 4LA
Tel: 01786 467165
Mob: 07841569801

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on2:48 pm - Jul 14, 2016


BP – shirley you ‘jetted’ back in to Glasgow ?

And a shocker on your return: an MSM broadcaster with a conscience…
From DR today;

“Liverpool fan Colin Murray quits role on talkSPORT over its ties with The Sun saying his position is ‘unsustainable’

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theredpillPosted on3:29 pm - Jul 14, 2016


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Rodgers
impressive not

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Big PinkPosted on7:23 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Thanks for the suggestions re. accommodation and employees 🙂

Despite the less than impressive start to the Euro campaigns, the season ahead is shaping up to be an exciting one. It is to be hoped that those in charge of the game will do justice to the efforts of the players on the park – but so far, I have not seen or heard anything which would give me amy indication that this will be the case.

Everyone is dancing around the Res 12 issue like it was a bed of hot coals. The impact of what sounded like progress has now diminished considerably as the MSM, UEFA, the SFA and the clubs  have all stuck cotton wool in their ears, underpants on their head and two chopsticks up their hooters.

Still there is no clarification on the content and context of the UEFA letter; still we wait for the Godot of the Celtic board’s response; still we watch in vain as our own clubs sit in silence; still we hope for some facts published in post-truth Scotland.

Ditto the LNS aspect of the TOG report. This relentless denial of facts and inaction on the part of the MSM and other stakeholders cannot be allowed to win.

We need to match that with a relentless will of our own to see some truth emerge and for the corrupt cabal in power at Hampden to be held to account for their failure to administer the game effectively and with integrity.

We know why nobody buys papers anymore. We now need to move on and do something about our own failure to reach an event horizon from which the truth must inevitably emerge.  

We can’t do much more than make a lot of noise, but the truth can never come from silence.

Noise therefore is our main weapon. Noise and relentlessness.

Our two main weapons are noise and relentlessness. 🙂

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Big PinkPosted on7:31 pm - Jul 14, 2016


StevieBC,

A friend of mine knew Colin Murray at school and though of him as bit of a lightweight. That friend has been quiet this last 24 hours. Whatever you think of him as a broadcaster – and I quite like him from his Radio 5 days – he is a ratings magnet, and it is to his credit that he felt he had to walk away from what is undoubtedly big money for his principles.

In the current political climate in this country, where almost every institution is in disrepute and riddled with corruption, Murray gets the SFM man of the month award for me.

FYI

I did ‘jetted’ – but into London 🙂

I  actually choo-choo-ed into Glasgow, but it doesn’t have that ring.

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Big PinkPosted on7:32 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Blu

Thanks for the Jimmy Bone thing

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bordersdonPosted on8:36 pm - Jul 14, 2016


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theredpill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Rodgers
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Come on guys! Is this a CELTIC SITE OR NOT? you lose credibility with posts like this! Anyway 0-0 at ht at at pittodrie 05

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on9:26 pm - Jul 14, 2016


bordersdonJuly 14, 2016 at 20:36

I the interest of  balance, maybe somebody (not me !) could post the career details of all the other managers/ first team coaches in the Premiership  ? Then explain how to compare them ?

Aberdeen look like scoring every time they go forward . The two they  have should see them win the tie .

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shug

shugPosted on9:40 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Looks like we have bought another useless keeper but will have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now still got a crap defence as per usual.

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bordersdonPosted on9:48 pm - Jul 14, 2016


shug
July 14, 2016 at 21:40
Looks like we have bought another useless keeper but will have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now still got a crap defence as per usual.
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I repeat!!
Anyway 3 – 0 should be enough? Not that this would ever be a Dons site. 03

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jimboPosted on9:52 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Come on Aberdeen!!!!04

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jimboPosted on9:53 pm - Jul 14, 2016


Pity about Hearts.

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shug

shugPosted on12:10 am - Jul 15, 2016


BORDERSDONJULY 14, 2016 at 21:48  
shug July 14, 2016 at 21:40

Looks like we have bought another useless keeper but will have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now still got a crap defence as per usual.—————————————————————————————I repeat!!Anyway 3 – 0 should be enough? Not that this would ever be a Dons site.

You repeat what???????????????????

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shug

shugPosted on1:40 am - Jul 15, 2016


I hope you were not insulting me by suggesting I was a Celtic supporter lol

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tayred

tayredPosted on9:41 am - Jul 15, 2016


JIMBOJULY 14, 2016 at 21:53 
Pity about Hearts.

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I thought the Hearts result was decent enough. Unlucky not to score by the sound sounds of it. They’ll be fine taking them back to Edinburgh. Aberdeen – surely they can’t play another game as bad as last week??? Certainly sounds like going forward we are going to be more potent that previous seasons, assuming McInnes doesn’t revert to type and stick with one up front. Defensively….uhm…. only Effe Ambrose could make things worse ;-P  I really hope McInnes has a centre half lined up before the next round.
Felt for Hibs, they had a tough draw and have a tough game ahead. They could have done with starting in the first round, hard game to come into stone cold. I only hope that the result last night doesn’t unleash the standard SMSM – why are {insert name of diddy club} even in the Europe anyways type nonsense. They won the cup, they deserved to be there. You do wonder if the <whisper> red Imp result (</whisper>) might prevent such a discussion this time round. 

So – Hearts, Aberdeen and Celtic (surely) will march on. The next round could leave a heavy toll though, the quality of the sides our teams could be drawn against certainly ramps up a notch or two.

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tayred

tayredPosted on12:56 pm - Jul 15, 2016


I wiz tempted nae to give you beggars the Euro draws given the thumbs down above. I’m never bothered by thumbs down, but do sometimes wish I knew what they were for – lots of Effe Ambrose fans in today?? 😀

Anyway, for those interested:
Žalgiris Vilnius (LTU)/Astana (KAZ) v Lincoln (GIB)/Celtic (SCO)
Hertha Berlin (GER) v Brøndby (DEN)/Hibernian (SCO)
Birkirkara (MLT)/Hearts (SCO) v Krasnodar (RUS)
Aberdeen (SCO)/Ventspils (LVA) v Maribor (SVN)/Levski Sofia (BUL)

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Big PinkPosted on2:16 pm - Jul 15, 2016


Still looking for presenters and editors for the audio stuff folks. Anyone know anyone who’d like to get into radio (not just sport) please put them in touch.

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jimboPosted on4:28 pm - Jul 15, 2016


Tayred,

Your better not mentioning TDs you will get overrun with them.  I congratulated Aberdeen last night and sympathised with Hearts and got a fair few.  Scottish teams in Europe!!!  When my team are playing them I’m as anti as the next man but not in Europe.   Although there is one team 21  (Guess I’m a hypocrite).

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tayred

tayredPosted on4:57 pm - Jul 15, 2016


Aye Jimbo I know, tis a funny old game this! Personally I’ve always been happy with a few TD’s, means I’ve rattled a few cages.
It’s when you say something and can’t quite grasp why you get so many TD’s you wish a reply or two was made.  Not so much todays messages, I’ve long realised that anything with an even remotely anti-Celtic message will get a flurry. Hey ho – thats guaranteed a good few more! 03

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John ClarkPosted on10:37 pm - Jul 15, 2016


tayredJuly 15, 2016 at 16:57
‘…..I’ve always been happy with a few TD’s, means I’ve rattled a few cages.’
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Fair enough, as long as the cages that really get rattled are those occupied by the cheats, charlatans ,convicted criminals  and their complicit supporters in the SMSM who have lied to Scottish Football and continue to urge us to move on and forget the cheating and the lies.

The Scottish game is rotten at the core.

We cannot forget the decade and more of cheating by SDM.

Still less can we forget the fact that that cheating was not picked up on by people who must at least  have had grounds for suspicion .

And we certainly cannot forget that that willingness to cheat was carried forward in such way as to allow a new club to masquerade as an extinct club- a ‘privilege’ not accorded to other clubs who died the death of Liquidation.

The strength of this blog in my opinion  is that it resists the determined assaults of those who would have us meekly accept the lies and untruths, and endorse a rigged game by continuing to support it unquestioningly.

We support the game, and our respective clubs.
But we know the true score.
And we emphatically do not support, never will support, those cheating people, whether on the Boards of clubs or on the Administrative Boards, who have destroyed our belief in the Integrity of the game.

We would be fools to do so while the cheating continues.

By all means, let’s have some scope for traditional inter-club rivalry and mutual ‘rattling of cages’- but always in the awareness that it is hollow and meaningless when the Sport is so essentially flawed.

What does winning or losing actually mean, when cheats are helped to win?

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shug

shugPosted on4:43 am - Jul 16, 2016


The problem is very few actually give a flying feck for every 1 person who has an idea what it is all about there are thousands who do not I

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shug

shugPosted on4:48 am - Jul 16, 2016


The problem is very few actually give a flying feck for every 1 person who has an idea what it is all about there are thousands who do not or just do not care.I have lost count of the number of blank stares when I talk about any of this. Of the 52,000 who bought sbs for parkhead how many do you think believe the next game involving celtic and the cheating club is an “old firm” game probably about 51,500 I bet.

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shug

shugPosted on6:51 am - Jul 16, 2016


Sorry for the partial post 2 above I have no idea what happened.

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fan of footballPosted on8:35 am - Jul 16, 2016


Shug 
The questions I think every scottish football supporter has to ask themselves today is 
Will the CHEATING begin for this new IBROKES entity .
Now that we are all in no doubt that sporting integrity is not the first thing on the minds off the peepil running our game and the MSM have shown us that their own survival matters more than the truth .
When does the (CHEATING) helping hands stop and how many are enough .
If the new club need to make the top six or they go bust ,will a wee helping hand be given for the good of our game 
If the new club have handed out contracts beyond their means to try and get a euro slot ,will a wee helping hand be given 
If the sevco supporters begin to walk away at the lack of a league win ,will the peepil and even one of the other clubs ease of their title charge to help out (just for the GOOD of our GAME of course) .After after all it’s not personal it’s just BUSINESS.
It sounds crazy but I’m afraid that is where I am at the moment .
After all that has gone on I am in no way confident that any and I mean any deals could not be done behind the fans backs to keep the BUSINESS running as I believe the powers that be at the SFA ,SPFL and CLUBS are convinced that they know what’s best and we the SUPPORTERS are incapable of seeing the bigger picture .
IMO they have taken a path that will not end well ,as any sport that is not honest or fair is not a sport at all and when more and more supporters wake up to that fact then there will be no way back for Scottish football .
I believe their will be a Ratners moment for Scottish football
Ratners was a jewellery chain that was doing rather well selling jewellery at what was assumed reasonable prices ,now I think a lot of their customers knew it was not top class jewellery but when Ratners man at the top declared at a company get together that they were basically selling a crap product for profit the business collapsed overnight.
One of these days one of the peepil wil bend or break one rule to many and that will expose the scam and leave the paying punters in no doubt about the product their spending their money on and that will be the end .
What the people running our game have done ,is to leave our game hostage to whoever is in charge at sevco ,if they do not get the helping hand they need they will threaten to pull the plug and walk away .
Remember Charles Greens threat ,well HE got what he wanted ,didn’t he .
No need to panic though as the peepil running the new club now are fine upstanding citizens and will demand they are made to play by the rules 
Oh wait ……..

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on8:58 am - Jul 16, 2016


FAN OF FOOTBALL
JULY 16, 2016 at 08:35

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If you work on the basis that the new entity playing at Ibrox will be given as much help as the old one then it’s also worth remembering that the old club went into administration, failed to get a CVA and are being liquidated. In short they died and were replaced by a new entity.

There is only so much the football authorities could do, and it wasn’t enough.

The new club has made trading losses in every year of it’s existence, the latest financial year has just finished and I see no reason to believe they will not post further losses. Neither do I see any reason to believe that they will not have trading losses this year again. They will therefore need more money just to survive. That will have to be loans, sale of assets or a share / rights issue. None of that is going to be easy.

There is only so much the Scottish football authorities will be able to do, there is every prospect it won’t be enough to save this club either. 

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AlthetimPosted on9:26 am - Jul 16, 2016


shug
July 16, 2016 at 04:48

I’ll take your bet.
As a CFC SB holder, I can confidently say that you have your figures arse end up. The cheating club as you describe them, died and the O** F*** died with them.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on9:37 am - Jul 16, 2016


shugJuly 16, 2016 at 04:48 
The problem is very few actually give a flying feck for every 1 person who has an idea what it is all about there are thousands who do not or just do not care.I have lost count of the number of blank stares when I talk about any of this. Of the 52,000 who bought sbs for parkhead how many do you think believe the next game involving celtic and the cheating club is an “old firm” game probably about 51,500 I bet.
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Shug, While I think your estimate of 51,500, out of 52,000, Celtic supporters accepting the existence of the OF is a rather large exaggeration, I do agree that the number of unquestioning gullibles (at all clubs) is ridiculously high. 

But on a lighter note:-

I work beside a Chelsea supporter (he’s a Londoner) and have often tried to get across to him the cheating etc of Rangers and the aiding and abetting by our football authorities. He seems, as a Chelsea supporter, to have an un-self acknowledged mild affinity with ‘Rangers’ (blue establishment club, perhaps?) and is also of the ‘gullible’ variety in that he would, I am sure, accept any kind of financial shenanigans as acceptable, at any club, while screaming blue murder over an Arsenal dodgy penalty. (He saw nothing to be bothered about with the unsubstantiated reports of financial chicanery and/or doping at Leicester, even if true, though he might have if Chelsea were within touching distance of the title 14)

However, due to my ‘prompting’, he is aware that something wrong has happened, and continues to happen, in Scottish football to the benefit of whoever represents ‘Rangers’.

I’ve just come off shift, after handing over to the Chelsea supporter, and we had a quick chat about our recently ended holidays. He was in Fuerteventura and there met a Queen of the South supporter. My colleague mentioned he worked with a Hearts supporter who banged on and on about the cheating of ‘Rangers’. The QotS supporter’s response…’every **** hates ******* ‘Rangers’, cheating ********!’ or words to that effect, and basically said much of what I had told him.

We didn’t have much chance to discuss further (I had a train to catch), but it was clear from his demeanour that he now accepts more readily what I have been telling him. And here we see, perhaps, a small example of how it’s so hard to get the majority to see the wood and the trees – they need a completely independent confirmation of what they are being told. What’s more, when the bulk of the information is coming from one source, or the sources of information are mostly linked by being Celtic orientated, it is easy for those who don’t want to believe that, in their own country, such cheating can go, basically, unpunished, and nor do they want to face up to the reality that an ‘institution’ they’ve known all their lives can suddenly disappear.

Then, of course, like my colleague, those gullibles read the newspapers…

Note:
I do wonder if my colleague had met our very own Doonhamer, who I can’t think of seeing here for a while 02, my colleague says the bloke was great company, but don’t tell DH he said that, just in case it is he… 

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John ClarkPosted on10:52 am - Jul 16, 2016


AllyjamboJuly 16, 2016 at 09:37
‘… they need a completely independent confirmation of what they are being told. 
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And they  ain’t getting it from our SMSM, that’s for sure. There is something very, very wrong when ‘newsmen’ sell their integrity. It is just possible to excuse them when they do so in the face of  ,say, imprisonment or death, when reporting on major political issues.
But to refuse to ask questions of a serially cheating sports club, or of a sports administration, or to propagate a downright sporting untruth? Even their families must have a degree of contempt for them.

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helpmaboab

helpmaboabPosted on11:03 am - Jul 16, 2016


New season’s nearly upon us. ?Oh wait.So is Chick Young,Kenny McIntyre,et al.?

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John ClarkPosted on11:26 am - Jul 16, 2016


helpmaboabJuly 16, 2016 at 11:03
‘…New season’s nearly upon us. Oh wait.So is Chick Young..’
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We might have McIntyre and the rest, but maybe not Chicko:
“But reporter Chick Young fears BBC bosses have blown the final whistle on his career because he refuses to use Twitter.
The 65-year-old believes he may have covered his last big game for the Beeb.
The pundit has seen his trackside role scaled down in recent years.
Cutbacks saw him forced to take a pay cut in 2012 when he was put on to one-year deals and, now he has hit pension age, his broadcasting future is in doubt.”
Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-legend-chick-young-how-8075289#kAqvZRRcBUCCSgZA.99

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on11:40 am - Jul 16, 2016


John ClarkJuly 16, 2016 at 11:26 
helpmaboabJuly 16, 2016 at 11:03‘…New season’s nearly upon us. Oh wait.So is Chick Young..’_________We might have McIntyre and the rest, but maybe not Chicko:“But reporter Chick Young fears BBC bosses have blown the final whistle on his career because he refuses to use Twitter. The 65-year-old believes he may have covered his last big game for the Beeb. The pundit has seen his trackside role scaled down in recent years. Cutbacks saw him forced to take a pay cut in 2012 when he was put on to one-year deals and, now he has hit pension age, his broadcasting future is in doubt.”Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-legend-chick-young-how-8075289#kAqvZRRcBUCCSgZA.99
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Yeah, that’ll be it Chick, couldn’t possibly be because they’ve, at last, realised you are an absolute joke of a presenter/commentator, now could it be, Chick, naw…and you refuse to use twitter, because..? Couldn’t possibly be because you’d get ripped to shreds by anyone with the ability to write in reasonable English…

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tayred

tayredPosted on11:52 am - Jul 16, 2016


JOHN CLARKJULY 15, 2016 at 22:37 tayredJuly 15, 2016 at 16:57‘…..I’ve always been happy with a few TD’s, means I’ve rattled a few cages.’_________Fair enough, as long as the cages that really get rattled are those occupied by the cheats, charlatans ,convicted criminals  and their complicit supporters in the SMSM who have lied to Scottish Football and continue to urge us to move on and forget the cheating and the lies.
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Ok, JC. Not sure what part of my post provoked your message. I for one have never veered from the track that RFC, the SFA and the SPFL cheated fans of all Scottish clubs. That most of the clubs, including my own, cheated their own fans by not pursuing said institutions in the right and proper way. No fear, no favour. I have written many a message to the beloved chairman of my club explaining that in great detail to him (he of course has never bothered to reply).

I have always admired the fact that this place successfully welcomes fans from across the board, its pretty unique in that way for a football fan forum. We are all united in the pursuit of one particular topic, the pursuit of truth and for justice across the board. But, for this place to survive and indeed for it to maintain both its entertainment value and its dealing with the more serious issues we need to stay/get involved with the wider issues in Scottish football (and European/world football). That is where we are weak. The focus on a single issue while extremely important, does turn off many who pay us a visit provoking the standard and false reply of the lazy that we are “obsessed”. Topics such as games being moved to stupid times for TV, of asking fans to travel across the length of the nation for ridiculous kick-off times, of the complete black out of the national team from our TV’s, of lack of representation of the fans, of the lack of transparency, ticket allocations for games, poor coverage of our teams currently representing the nation in Europe, etc etc etc are brushed over and never properly debated. RFC/TRFC should not be the soul topic, nor should it be purely the pursuit of the cheats, charlatans and convicted criminals. We should be working together to improve the game, to improve the lot of the Scottish football fan now and in the future. Ridding ourselves of the odious individuals that have attached themselves to the game is just part of the answer.

Now, and here’s where the TD’s really kick in 03 – this place does on occasion run dangerously close at times to a Celtic forum, thankfully there are many (most?) who constantly bring it back to a more even keel, and that state never lasts long. But it’s dangerous in that it can turn away fans, but also it allows the SMSM especially to use that tired old “West of Scotland” crap to do us down. I’ve had a good few barneys here on certain topics where club lines have been well and truly drawn in the sand, and have no wish to reignite any of that, entertaining though they can be.

Thankfully, most here have a cracking sense of humour, but again there can be a humour disconnect amongst a few when their beloved club is in any way besmirched – we can all be guilty of that when caught on a bad day! Not in the rabid manner that you have to endure in your bog standard fan site thank god. But for fans of each and every club, and its matters not who they are, it is good to now and again have any bubble of pomposity burst, my love of here is that the bursting is usually done with more than just a touch of good humour.

If any of my posts seem anti-CFC, or anti any other club, then I apologise – and there lies the biggest problem with forums like this – what you read as humorous, gentle ribbing, need not be read that way by others. I’d say that is something that taking part in the SFM experiment has taught me most of all. it doesn’t mater how many times you re-read it, it can always be taken slightly differently to the way you intend!! If you are reading Effe – I wiz only joking 09

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:00 pm - Jul 16, 2016


Looks like a football blog is trying to lose all credibility by promoting the idea of something called the ‘Old Firm’! Perhaps they might suggest our new Foreign Secretary be asked to say a few words before kick-off about the respective clubs’ backgrounds. I’m sure he’d be at his diplomatic best!

https://www.onefootball.com/en-GB/news/plans-drafted-for-old-firm-games-to-be-played-abroad-en-9202794?variable=2016-06-25T12:45:59Z

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John ClarkPosted on12:56 pm - Jul 16, 2016


tayredJuly 16, 2016 at 11:52
‘…Ok, JC. Not sure what part of my post provoked your message’
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I was not consciously posting against you, Tayred.
I was just taking the opportunity, as I do from time to time,  to mention the cheating of SDM and the rest, for the benefit of new readers!
Like you, I believe there are stacks of football things that  we’d all love to get into. But, in my view, where the whole fundamental ethos of the game is predicated on falsehood, it would be a bit like complaining about the decor of the casino while continuing to place your bets on a wheel you know is rigged in favour one player at the table. People can still do it, of course, and enjoy it, but I worry that that might , overall, give comfort to the enemy, and make them think that they are winning in their attempts to maintain the fiction and the lies.
That’s one of the  reasons why I get twitchy about some of the overtly partisan  ‘Celtic’ posts : they give an excuse to the SMSM and the rest to attempt to dismiss this SFM as being just another ‘Celtic’ blog.

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shug

shugPosted on1:17 pm - Jul 16, 2016


ALTHETIM

Ok so you’re 1 only another 500 to prove me wrong lol.

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scottc

scottcPosted on1:30 pm - Jul 16, 2016


HOMUNCULUSJULY 16, 2016 at 08:58 …
The new club has made trading losses in every year of it’s existence, the latest financial year has just finished and I see no reason to believe they will not post further losses. Neither do I see any reason to believe that they will not have trading losses this year again. They will therefore need more money just to survive. That will have to be loans, sale of assets or a share / rights issue. None of that is going to be easy.

Unless my memory fails me, last season was the first since their establishment that TRFC/RIFC have started the season with outstanding loans. I’m sure in each previous season, the board made sure these were officially repaid, albeit just to be borrowed again.
This season, some of the same loans that were outstanding at the start of last season, are still outstanding. Just as well there is a plan. There is a plan, yeah?

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woodstein

woodsteinPosted on1:32 pm - Jul 16, 2016


Allyjambo
July 16, 2016 at 12:00
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Good riposte to Charlie Stillitano here
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/04/charlie-stillitano-champions-league-leicester
 
Most football fans I know would agree that this is the essence of football.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfybENNh1k
 
A Captain’s Tale
The first world footballing competition, the Sir Thomas Lipton World Trophy, won by a bunch of miners from Durham, beating Juventus to retain the cup in perpetuity.
Starring Dennis Waterman, Nigel Hawthorne, Richard Griffiths, Andrew Keir and others. 1hr 18mins.

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jean7brodie

jean7brodiePosted on3:05 pm - Jul 16, 2016


woodsteinJuly 16, 2016 at 13:32
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The comments on the article are pure, dead funny12

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zam1Posted on6:49 pm - Jul 16, 2016


I very rarely offer much on this site but find it educational reading at times, and just to say I am a CFC fan and have been for 40 years also a season book holder for 20 years until last season.
To read most on here keep going on about the TRIFC years of cheating and being aided and abetted by our corrupt SFA makes me laugh, really it does.
Every club in this country (apart from Raith Rovers) are as culpable as both TRIFC and SFA in the cheating, ignorance and down right corruption that bestows our game. Every club said and did NOTHING ;
SILENCE IS CONSENT.

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on7:22 pm - Jul 16, 2016


ZAM1JULY 16, 2016 at 18:49
        “To read most on here keep going on about the TRIFC years of cheating and being aided and abetted by our corrupt SFA makes me laugh, really it does.”
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   It doesn’t make me laugh. 
     There may be a measure in what you say, but lets start on the perpetrators before we start on the victims. Whether they have been willing victims, scared victims, or turn a blind eye victims, remains to be seen, but we will never know until the perps are outed. 
    Without perps, there would be no victims. willing, scared, cock-eyed or any other shape or form
   As for the other victims, that be those who were stiffed, including everyone who has ever spun a turn-style in Scottish fitba watching their team being cheated year on year, season after season, (including yourself) then laugh away. 
   I hope you have a mirror handy and one of those big pointy finger foam gloves.

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John ClarkPosted on7:43 pm - Jul 16, 2016


zam1July 16, 2016 at 18:49
‘..Every club said and did NOTHING ;SILENCE IS CONSENT.’
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I think, zam1, that we have to be absolutely fair and accurate ,else we make ourselves as bad as those we criticise (bad cess to them)
The SPL refused to allow the new club into that league.
The SFL  refused to allow the new club into SFL Div 1 or 2.
The SFL did allow the new club into Div 3: NOT, however, as anything other than a new club. And that new club had to APPLY for membership as a new club.
Thereafter, the clubs are, as you say, as guilty as are the originators and signatories of the 5-Way agreement which ‘allowed’ charlatan Green’s new club to pass itself off as ‘RFC’, and which continue to allow the false claim to those titles and honours that RFC ‘won’ over its many years of non-disclosure of payments to players who, on account of the non-disclosure, were ineligible.
And, of course, by their silence in the matter of the Res 12, they are also guilty of heedless unconcern  as to whether the organisation of which they are a part cheated all   in order to favour just one of their members.

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neepheid

neepheidPosted on9:09 pm - Jul 16, 2016


John ClarkJuly 16, 2016 at 19:43
And, of course, by their silence in the matter of the Res 12, they are also guilty of heedless unconcern as to whether the organisation of which they are a part cheated all in order to favour just one of their members.
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It is a bit harsh, in my opinion, to condemn any club other than CFC, for silence on Res12. That resolution is addressed to the Board of CFC by its shareholders.Why would any other club get involved with such a matter? Surely any club that interfered with the internal affairs of CFC would be rightly condemned?
I agree, of course, that all clubs stand in the dock accused of complicity, or at the very least acquiescence, in the 5 Way Agreement. If any were not on board with that big fix at the time, they should surely have made their position public long ago.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on9:21 pm - Jul 16, 2016


ZAM1
JULY 16, 2016 at 18:49 Every club in this country (apart from Raith Rovers) are as culpable as both TRIFC and SFA in the cheating, ignorance and down right corruption that bestows our game. Every club said and did NOTHING ;SILENCE IS CONSENT.

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Every club in the SPL other than Kilmarnock voted not to allow the new club into the league.

That is not silence, it is a clear statement. The fact they had to apply at all demonstrates that they were a new club, the fact that the clubs voted not to allow it is not inaction. 

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John ClarkPosted on9:38 pm - Jul 16, 2016


neepheidJuly 16, 2016 at 21:09
‘..That resolution is addressed to the Board of CFC by its shareholders.Why would any other club get involved with such a matter? ‘
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Perhaps for the same reason that you or I , on hearing that certain questions were being asked of , say, our bowling clubs’ league committee if allegations were made that a club  was dishonestly admitted into a competition that he had not fairly qualified for. In such a case, even if we ourselves had not been immediately adversely affected, we would surely want to sack any committee prepared to do that!
We would want to find out the truth of any such allegation,and would not shrug it off as a matter only between whoever was making the allegation and the committee. Particularly if complete outsiders also thought that something dodgy needed explanation!

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theredpillPosted on11:46 pm - Jul 16, 2016


BORDERSDON
I’am not a Celtic fan,sons of the rock Dumbarton lol

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upthehoopsPosted on8:07 am - Jul 17, 2016


I see posts appearing again that circa 50K Celtic season ticket holders accept the O*d F*rm is back. I discussed this matter with several season ticket holders at the Wolfsburg friendly yesterday and not one of them has missed Rangers. Some said they wished there was no Rangers at all. I have not spoken to a single Celtic season ticket holder from any walk of life over the past four years who has missed them. The only ‘Celtic supporters’ I’ve heard of who miss them are unnamed people SMSM journalists socialise with. 

The take up on Celtic season tickets this year was down to excitement over the managerial appointment. While the first competitive game was hardly an ideal start to say the least, that is why the fans are there in such numbers.

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