Good Evening,
Whilst it is understandable that the continuing events at Ibrox remain a hot topic among all Scottish Football Fans — especially given the views of some sections of the press on such events– the never ending rush down the marble staircase is certainly not the only show in town.
The other morning we were treated to the “scoop” that Alistair Johnstone is afraid that Craig Whyte– the once proclaimed Multi Billionaire from Motherwell- may well still be pulling all the strings at Ibrox! This is a fear which is shared by those who walk the corridors of Hampden Park as they, too, are terrified of the prospect of Whyte returning in some shape or form and coming back to haunt them, especially as he has been deemed unfit and proper, banned sine die, and generally ridiculed for his past actions.
However, the Hampden jackets know fine well that their realm only stretches so far and that if by means of the proper application of company law, contract or some other piece of paper Whyte controls the shareholding of the self proclaimed “parent company” to the football club then they are in a fix. In fact, I will wager that they just would not know how to deal with such a situation as after all RIFC PLC neither holds a licence to play football nor is a member of the SFA and so, on the face of it, who owns it has nothing to do with them.
At this juncture, no one in authority knows who Blue Pitch Holdings are and, strangely, no one in authority knows who Margarita Holdings are either! Yet these two “holdings” whoever they may be, may well hold all the power down Govan way…… with the SFA completely powerless to find out who they are let alone get into any dialogue with them. All the SFA can do is talk to the appointed Directors and officers of The Rangers Football Club Ltd.
This, is a most unsatisfactory state of affairs.
Meanwhile, they will have no difficulty in finding out who the new shareholders of Dunfermline Athletic are. Those shareholders will come from the fanbase and will be clearly registered at Companies House, with the result that ultimately those fans/shareholders will appoint Directors who will then attend meetings and speak and opine on their behalf and in essence be the ” Voice of Dunfermline” at Hampden.
Perhaps, similar will follow from Heart of Midlothian?
However, those at Hampden — if they have any sense at all– will be most wary of events happening in the east end of Glasgow come November.
In the middle of the month, Celtic PLC will hold its AGM and amidst the items on the agenda is the fan driven notion that the Club— through its Directors—- should go further in holding the SFA to account and enquire into the granting of club licences, and in particular how it granted Rangers a club licence that allowed entry to the Champions League in 2011 when the small tax case was outstanding.
The Celtic board have deemed this motion as “Unnecessary” and in support of that contention have released documentation showing that they raised this very issue with the SFA on behalf of the shareholders and fans. Further– and here is the rub— The Directors reveal that they were not satisfied with the SFA response and have disclosed that they took the matter further and wrote to UEFA.
Ultimately, UEFA also provided a reply, which backed the SFA approach and which Celtic had little option but to accept in the absence of admissible contradicting evidence..
It is on this basis, that Peter Lawell and Co say the AGM motion is not necessary. Note that saying that the motion is not necessary, is not at all the same thing as saying that what the motion seeks to achieve is not necessary or does not have the support of the board!
There will be those at Hampden who severely hope that the Celtic Board are successful in voting this measure down as obviously they deem their original reply sufficient and would like to end the discussion there.
However, my own view, is that whether the motion is successful or not, there are those within the SFA who will recognise there is trouble staring them in the face here. Real Trouble!
Let’s recap for a moment and draw some threads together.
Celtic’s past Chairman, Dr John Reid, said only a couple of years ago that the SFA was clearly not fit for purpose. He did so in the context of events surrounding Neil Lennon and other matters, but was unshakably robust in his condemnation of an institutionalised uselessness which he saw pervaded the Hampden ranks.
Prior to that, Henry McLeish produced a report which stated that he too had concerns about the Governance of Scottish Football and called for openness and transparency.
In the intervening period, we have seen Mr David Longmuir, former Chief Executive of the Scottish Football League, find himelf without a position following reconstruction– and this partly as a result of club chairmen being apparently kept in the dark about his payment, bonuses and expenes. I understand that there was considerable anger from some at the way in which they had been treated by Mr Longmuir.
Then there is Mr Campbell Ogilvie, El Presidente, who himself benefited from a Rangers EBT and who held sway at Ibrox during a period of time when Rangers– by their own admission— made unlawful and illegal payments to three high profile players in breach of tax laws and SFA/SPL rules. It is these breaches and the consequent Wee Tax Bill which has caused all the angst among Celtic fans and has lead to the highly regulated legal step of tabling a motion at the club’s AGM.
Basically, the position seems to be, that as at the due date when the appropriate documents and declarations were made for a Euro Licence by Rangers for 2011, the wee tax bill was outstanding and due. If it was overdue, then the SFA could not and should not have granted them a licence……. and potentially Celtic should then have been put forward as Scotland’s representatives in the Champion’s League.
However, that did not happen, and Ranger’s were granted a licence– something that the Celtic Directors clearly felt was not correct.
They may have disagreed with the awarding of the licence because there were those at Rangers at the time who declared that a payment to account had been made to the tax office– allegedly £500,000– and that they had entered into an agreement to make payment of the balance by instalments. Had that been so, then all would have been hunky dory and no more would have been said.
Alas, however, no such payment appears to have been made at all, and no such agreement was entered into and so, on that basis, the tax bill was overdue and outstanding as at 30th June in terms of Article 66 and as such no Euro Licence should have been granted.
However, the argument does not end there.
Auldheid, has posted frequently on these pages about the ins and outs of the licensing provisions and the mechanism and so I will leave that detail to him as he is far more expert in these areas than me.
Now, one of the SFA functions is to have an auditor– someone who can check books, contracts, paper work and so on, and it is part of the SFA licensing function to be satisfied that all the paperwork is of course correct and in proper fashion before they issue any licence.
In this case, it is alleged that the SFA did not perform their function properly.
In relation to the wee tax case, it is said that either they did not make sufficient enquiry of Rangers re the payment to account or the agreement which they were told was in place. At the time it was mooted in the press that no such agreement was in place as at the relevant date ( June 30th ) and a simple check with the revenue would have shown the truth of the matter.
Yet, for whatever reason, no such check appears to have been made, and if you recall a Radio Scotland interview with Alistair Johnstone, Rangers submitted the forms, the SFA replied with one or two enquiries about the BIG tax case which were answered, and thereafter the Licence appears to have simply dropped through the letter box without further ado.
You will also recall that the existence of the wee tax case became known BEFORE Craig Whyte bought David Murray’s shareholding in May 2011. In fact it was the subject of News Paper headlines weeks before the deal was completed, and so the fact that there was a wee tax bill was well and truly in the public domain.
When it came to filling in the appropriate forms,either, the SFA were mislead by those then at Rangers with regard to that tax bill, OR, they simply failed to do the requisite checks and make reasonable enquiries before they issued the licence.
However, the uncomfortable fact also remains, that one of the chaps who must have been in the know re the admittedly unlawful and offending side letters, contracts and payments to the three players concerned was Campbell Ogilivie who was on the Rangers Board at the relevant time when the contracts and irregular payments were made under the Discount Options Scheme from 1999 to 2002/3. Indeed he may even have initiated the first payment to Craig Moore in 1999. I reiterate that no one has ever contested that this was an unlawful scheme, and the irregular payments and paperwork are not denied in relation to that scheme.
There are Celtic shareholders who believe, rightly or wrongly, that when it came to the granting of the Euro Licence, the SFA did not play them fair on this occasion and that the wheels within Hampden were oiled in such a way that Rangers were favoured and Celtic were disadvantaged. It is a point that looks to have already been considered by the Celtic Directors in 2011, with the result that they concluded that they should formally write to the SFA and seek clarification.
However, we now have the prospect of those same directors having to go back to Hampden and say ” Sorry, but I am forced to bring this up by my shareholders. I have a legal duty to them to enquire further”. Even if the motion is refused, the point has been made– there are shareholders who are demanding answers– just as shareholders of other clubs demand answers about the ever so secret 5 way agreement and other matters which have hitherto been not for public consumption.
The SFA have nothing to fear of course as they can simply repeat their previous answers,demonstrate that all was above board, and rest easy in their beds.
Except that answer did not satisfy the Celtic Directors on a previous occasion as they decided to take the matter to UEFA, and it would appear that some Celtic shareholders remain dissatisfied with the known stance of the SFA and so they want the Directors of the club to delve further. Without wishing to point out the obvious, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted rigorously or that those at Hampden were in any way economical with the truth or omitted certain details from the previous explanation, or covered up a failure in procedures—- well such omissions have a habit of becoming public these days whether that be through the internet or otherwise.
The point here is that the actions of Hampden officials are coming under organised, legal and planned corporate scrutiny over which they have no control. The Blazer and club mentality that was once so widespread within the governing bodies is under increasing attack and is being rendered a thing of the past.
In short, the move by Celtic shareholders, is making it plain that they will demand proper corporate governance from their club in ensuring that any alleged failure in corporate governance by the SFA or SPFL is properly investigated and reported on.
Of course, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted properly for whatever reason, then it could be argued that Celtic were disadvantaged in monetary terms along with other clubs who may have been awarded Europa League licences, then the consequences could be cataclysmic. Hence a tendency to circle the wagons rather than admit to failures in the process that need addressing.
It is this reluctance to come out and accept that the licensing process appears to have failed, say at what point the process failed and what needs to be done to address those failures that in many ways has driven the resolution. It is clear to all that something is amiss but the SFA will not admit it, probably from fear of the consequences of doing so? Perhaps some form of indemnity, a lessons learned enquiry with no prejudice might help?
It would come as no surprise to me at all if there were those at Hampden who live in dreaded fear of admitting that their processes were flawed and that a grave mistake was made. Under these circumstances, there may well be those at Hampden who simply wish that Celtic and their fans would just go away!
Consistency
Over the months TSFM has been in existence, the subject of the ‘behaviour’ of the Rangers support has been mentioned on a fair number of occasions. When it has, any attempt to mitigate the circumstances of any given event has not only been frowned upon, but condemed outright.
Ok so thems the ground rules.
I would hope that the same criteria is used after last night’s trouble in Amsterdam. That posters accept things for how they appear which in any language is disgraceful. I wouldn’t have raised the issue at all if I not seen various posts looking for excuses instead of condemnation.
Most on here are like me, simple posters but we do have the journalist PhilMGB on board aswell.
Now TSFM looks for balance in their journalists and I hope PMGB, who I think it fair to say is a keen researcher on such matters, notes the disgraceful scenes last night and condems them.
This is not whatabouttery, I felt this point should be made in the interests of consistency and balance going forward.
I don’t want, nor will get into a debate on this (have to go out anyway) .
ps. Resin: will get back to you later.
Geronimo
I’ll flip your arguement slightly if I may, apologies if it dilutes my answer. Would Ally have been willing to take the high salary and share issue AND be prepared to see RFC falter mid table in the 4th division? Because lets be honest, assuming Green’s share price was going to be backed by property assets (see J Brown for details) anyway neither Green, Hughes nor Ahmad were bothered in the slightest. Rangersitis my eye.
What I am trying to say, badly, is that with his unique insight into the chronic finances and precarious nature down Ibrox way he has shouldered a lot of the responsibility for getting them back to where they belong. So why not cream a wedge for doing it? Everyone else seemed to be.
EDIT: thank the lord for the edit function – back to where THEY THINK they belong
Greenock Jack says: (163)
November 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm
personally I hope the club issues life bans for anyone convicted.
Smugas says: (496)
November 7, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Geronimo
I’ll flip your arguement slightly if I may, apologies if it dilutes my answer. Would Ally have been willing to take the high salary and share issue AND be prepared to see RFC falter mid table in the 4th division? Because lets be honest, assuming Green’s share price was going to be backed by property assets (see J Brown for details) anyway neither Green, Hughes nor Ahmad were bothered in the slightest. Rangersitis my eye.
What I am trying to say, badly, is that with his unique insight into the chronic finances and precarious nature down Ibrox way he has shouldered a lot of the responsibility for getting them back to where they belong. So why not cream a wedge for doing it? Everyone else seemed to be.
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It’s about the size of the wedge he is creaming. He could have taken half that salary and it would still have been considered a good earner. By creaming it at Spiv levels he reveals his lack of real concern for the club.
Geronimo
I’m genuinely not being arsey here and I aint no ally lover either – his failure to correct his dog whistles were amongst the most wretched part of this saga and there are many alternatives to choose from. You are assuming that if he took half the salary that the rest would be left in a ‘good times pot’ for the future. I am assuming that Green&Co would simply hoover up the liquid asset along with the rest and proceed as normal.
Or are you saying he could have actually used his position and called out the board for what they were. If he chose to go down that route, well again, see J Brown for details.
I think people are missing the point with Ally McCoist, his salary and his shares.
Of course he was perfectly entitled to take them if his employer offered them. I don’t have any issue with that.
The question relates to what he did to earn them. If anyone believes for a second that he got half a million pound worth of shares (at today’s prices) for his performance as a manager, on top of a c£750,000 salary I think they are being a bit deluded.
He got that for bringing the fans onside with the regimes, encouraging the fans to buy season tickets and shares. He gave Craig Whyte, then Charles Green his endorsement and that meant a lot to the fans.
I do not believe that they could have done anywhere near as much without that endorsement from Ally McCoist added to the one from Walter Smith.
It’s not the 30 pieces of silver which is the issue, it is the betrayal in order to get it which is a problem. Ally McCoist has played an integral part in the carnage at Ibrox. It is only his status as a “Rangers Legend” which has allowed it, and has facilitated the people responsible for the damage. If the fans are happy with that and happy to keep trusting his opinion, fair enough. It’s their club and their money.
Big Stuart 1888 @white_italy 29m
Insight Investments institutional fund invested in Sevco. (3.30%)
Have a guess who heads this operation?
David Somers *Independent* Chair
scapaflow says:
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Hear, hear.
If any fan is convicted of being involved in violence then a life ban should be imposed, in addition to any action the criminal Court deems fit.
Jack Irvine’s statement released on behalf of David Somers. Sorry but its the same ols pihs.
rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/5508-david-somers-statement …
Smugas says: (497)
November 7, 2013 at 1:10 pm
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No worries I see where you’re coming from. Spivs hoover up cash – real Rangers men (whatever that is) don’t. Forget that the cash was earmarked for rich mens playthings anyway – Ally acted with no integrity or Rangersness whatsoever when he too sucked out the cash. He lost a lot of credibility with the fans for taking part in the raid.
Smugas says: (495)
November 7, 2013 at 11:25 am
That’s doable. Maybe not palatable unless it’s correctly communicated, obvious stumbling blocks along the way especially as they enter the realms of full time football, but its POTENTIALLY doable.
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So, are you saying the following…just to be clear
Sevco, spiv free, can run at a £4M loss per year no problem?
OK, who is covering those losses? The Bank – nope, not a chance. Additional investment? Who from? The spivs won’t spend their money, the good Rangers men aren’t spending their own money – or at least, they already will have to get the “shell” back from the Spivs – so that leaves the fans….and just to put this into perspective, when their “club” had died and they had to raise cash to invigorate the zombie club…how much did they come up with? (and remember, this really was the pay up or the club is dead moment in this scenario) they raised £5M – half of what was hoped for…in previous years, they only coughed up £1M – jsut enough to cover the costs of having the issue in the 1st place)
So, you are asking them, on top of tickets, pies, replica tops/scarves to fill the £4M gap?
One other thing, the £4M loss is based on a squad wage bill of £7M – that is not going to cut it in the SPL, over teh season they should still come out 2nd top – but there will be a lot of unacceptable defeats and draws to “lesser” clubs both home and away for the Bears to put up with…..crowds will drop for a substandard product (especially if Season ticket prices have a 30-40% price hike as will be needed)
And even then, they’ll still not match Celtic – but if they do…..UEFA will tell the club to GTF. FFP rules will not allow them to enter their competition
The support don’t want to get back to the SPL to have a fair crack at the title, living within their means….they will expect a squad wage bill/calibre capable of romping the league and putting timmy firmly in it’s place….wages alone will rocket to 15-20M and transfer fees the same again at least
you might pull in another £4M in ticket income, but it will be a drop in the ocean compared to fans expectations.
Doable – only in another universe where the bears have a very different mindset….certainly not in this one
Carfins Finest says:
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Oh for the love of goodness, do they have a macro installed which actually types this.
“This 141-year-old institution is on the road to recovery and I will do everything in my power to help take this great club back to the very top of Scottish football where it belongs.”
Greenock Jack,
Firstly, football hooliganism is deplorable. Secondly, sometimes there are mitigating circumstances. Like bullets being fired from Ajax supporters into Celtic fans the night before – tends to create a defensive mentality in such a charged atmosphere. I am sure the plain clothes police had a good reason for trying to lift the Celtic fan. Like other supports of course they have their fair share of troublemakers. Especially when alcohol is factored into the equation.
The fact that whatever defence you put forward for your own teams’ rioting seems to have been rejected (broken telly?) does not alter the fact that sometimes mitigating circumstances do exist. For example, how were the Celtic fans supposed to know the plain clothes guys were policemen? It must have looked like Ajax fans attacking them again. Like they did in the pub, like the bullets. Not mitigation just facts for that particular incident. Although, the newspapers seem to be printing carbon copies of it.
I hope any Celtic fans caught causing a disturbance of the peace are banned for life. I doubt there is one Celtic fan on this board who would not condemn them. They are a disgrace. And as for your ‘I don’t want to get into a debate about this’ and ‘in the interests of balance’ they are contradictory statements. How can it be balanced if only your point of view is posted/accepted without debate? Be careful you don’t choke on your self-satisfied smugness while your are out. The old firm are dead, tit for tat whataboutery should have died with it.
Scapaflow, Geronimo and Tif Finn have already said what I tried to say.
McCoist knew what the fans were buying into and he kept quiet. Not only did he say nothing, he took a substantially better share deal himself.
I cannot believe he thought he was getting this deal for being a 4th tier manager and nothing else.
His deal was given in return for knowingly (in my opinion) convincing the fans to throw their cash into a spivs pension fund.
He conned his own fans. Legend?
OK – 2nd try…..
Woke up this morning in USA still a little disappointed by the football result (singular not plural!) last night and saw on my Twitter feed that a new appointment had been made for TRFC.
Oh well I thought – I should venture over to TSFM and see what they have found out about him – is it as per Bill McMurdos tweet an excellent appointment? Surely TSFM will tell us the truth on him.
But no we have Greenock Jack asking Phil MacGiollabhain (you can use his full name it does not hurt! Especially when you are ordering him to do something for you!) to look into some violence that anyone with an ounce of common sense saw coming after viewing Ajax fans in Glasgow and viewing the youtube videos of them attacking AC Milan fans.
I am sure Phil MacGiollabhain’s expertise is in his brand of journalism where he has been so successful.
So instead of you asking others to investigate – here’s a personal request from me – go investigate the new appointment at Ibrokes and tell us your thoughts on his qualifications.
Only then will I treat you seriously and stop skipping your posts.
Thanks
andygraham.66 says: (57)
November 7, 2013 at 7:49 am
New director TSFM timetable
7am announcement to stock exchange
7.30 am – never heard of him cries go up
12.30pm. – some bright spark on here says, didn’t he have something to do with……….
3pm – full links to others in the story laid bare
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aenmac75 says: (36)
November 7, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Big Stuart 1888 @white_italy 29m
Insight Investments institutional fund invested in Sevco. (3.30%)
Have a guess who heads this operation?
David Somers *Independent* Chair
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Helluva “close” andygraham.66. Ye were about an hour out on the timing 😀
Just read a statement from the new Sevco Director, Mr Somers. I have no idea of the man’s credentials, but he clearly has no concept of liquidation law. He has instantly joined the club of liars who describe the club from Ibrox as a ‘141 year old institution’. The previous club, incorporated into the company, was liquidated.
Perhaps one of our resident lawyers could help me out here. I was wondering if someone was found guilty under Scots Law of a crime, whether it would be permissible for a person, or group of persons to insist publicly the person was not actually found guilty by a court at all, and that nothing had changed. I would imagine if news outlets were taking such a stance they would be issuing retractions fairly quickly. Why then are news outlets allowed to maintain the lie that the previous club, incorporated into the company, was NOT liquidated?
It couldn’t be that this neat little arrangement was hatched in lieu of wages? They wouldn’t do that, would they?
Whatever the deal is Ally should be mindful (buddy_holly @ November 6, 2013 at 11:04pm) that any benefit would be liable to CGT.
Anyone fancy some idle speculation?
19th December is confirmed as the date of the ‘rangers agm…and coincidentally happens to be the date of the share lock in expiry.
What chance the fans will show up at the agm to be told…elect who you want, we have already transferred the assets out of your control, we have all sold our shares and are now getting the hell out of dodge…WATP!
Could the end game be upon us? 😯
is the lock in period over on Dec 18th?
i can’t remember exact date of IPO
if it is the case, then the agm date of 19th Dec just looks too obviously dodgy….so contrived….so clearly a stitch up…..but the bears will no doubt just be happy it’s happening. I still think they don’t realise their club is dead and their tribute act will be going the same way very soon (or at least will be a shadow of the club they once loved….mid table mediocrity at best….forever…finally, justice!)
oldbhoy99 says: (11)
November 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Or they turn up and there’s a big sign up
“AGM cancelled, keys under the flowerpot. Fill yer boots.”
You’ve really got to wonder what went on in Amsterdam. Just seen a photo of a large banner among the Dutch fans. No idea if it’s photoshopped, but there’s two words on it: F****N. B******S. Charming.
Plainclothes policemen? I don’t understand their purpose unless it’s as unseen observers or candid photographers. Once one of these guys gets involved, as some photos show, he could easily be mistaken for, or actually act as, an agent provocateur.
Not trying to excuse any guilty Celts fans, but throughout the years there have instances of fans from all over the UK falling foul of some pretty right-wing, bully-boy policing.
UEFA?
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November 7, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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November 7, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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It couldn’t be that this neat little arrangement was hatched in lieu of wages? They wouldn’t do that, would they?
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You can be pretty sure that Ally got his wages as well as the shares. He is going to walk away from this shambles with so much money that CGT on the shares won’t be a worry. Given his current contract, it is going to cost loads of money to get rid of him. It won’t be less than 12 months wages, which to most of us is a lot of money. Then off the cheeky wee chappy trots back to Question of Sport. Or perhaps the BBC would prefer his punditry skills, as an ex world record manager and certified legend. Or most likely both. He is a very greedy little man. And an extremely unpleasant one, as he has amply demonstrated over the past 18 months.
Or you could potentially find that a chap called Easdale says “I control 51% of the shares in the PLC, so I’ll be deciding who sits on the board, and they are already on it. Next.”
Hey Danish – no not photo shopped
http://t.co/KMVhCfvIia
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November 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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http://t.co/KMVhCfvIia
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andygraham.66 says: (57)
November 7, 2013 at 7:49 am
New director TSFM timetable
7am announcement to stock exchange
7.30 am – never heard of him cries go up
12.30pm. – some bright spark on here says, didn’t he have something to do with……….
3pm – full links to others in the story laid bare
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aenmac75 says: (36)
November 7, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Big Stuart 1888 @white_italy 29m
Insight Investments institutional fund invested in Sevco. (3.30%)
Have a guess who heads this operation?
David Somers *Independent* Chair
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Helluva “close” andygraham.66. Ye were about an hour out on the timing 😀
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actually a lot closer. i posted at 1.13pm. the tweet was from 29 mins earlier – so 12.44
take off a few minutes for me copying it, reading through rest of tweets then logging on and posting it here 12.42
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141 year old Institution?…..
How can the SFA/ BDO standby and listen to this stuff..Must surely be time for BDO in particular to really man up with the courts etc to put a complete stop to this continuing business post liquidation nonsense now before it is too late…if it isn’t already.
RE THE PENNY SHARES :
ON the topic of BDO are they on behalf of HMRC ( all of us) really standing by helpless watching finalisation of
the alienation of OLDCO property assets from their creditors and allowing the closely linked imminent cashing in of penny shares in NEWCO on the back of these real property values?.
IE surely they must ,with all the info around including the outstanding materials produced by the top guys on here , have a prima-facie case to take to the courts to repatriate the property assets above the few million £ value they were sold for and get them then sold on to a proper independent property company….
THEN get the resulting cash back to the creditors where they should gone in the first place .
Am I missing something?…may be they can still do all this later on …….ANYWAY..
This would have mega ramifications i know..but it should .. and would put a stop to this entire charade just now where ..McCoist et al are cashing In!
IF THIS ISN’T STOPPED ..AND Unless as I say I am missing something ..
THEY WILL HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE THEIR CASH PROFITS FROM THE POCKETS OF CREDITORS..including effectively every one of us Ie HMRC in other words , hospitals , schools,NHSand yes even the armed forces…..disgusting!
oldbhoy99 says: (11)
November 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Anyone fancy some idle speculation?
19th December is confirmed as the date of the ‘rangers agm…and coincidentally happens to be the date of the share lock in expiry.
What chance the fans will show up at the agm to be told…elect who you want, we have already transferred the assets out of your control, we have all sold our shares and are now getting the hell out of dodge…WATP!
Could the end game be upon us?
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Which returns me to my original post.
Yes the scenario you describe could well be the case. Good luck to Green and Co opening their Christmas mail if asset stripping has been their model of choice (as would normally be the case in that scenario). And that’s not incitement to be clear, just an experienced forecast. No doubt the DR will happily provide addresses and even more helpfully, photos of the chateux in question.
Alternatively, if the spivs fancy an easier unthreatened life and leave at least Ibrox in the package (hell even if they arrange an extraneous payment from the brogues for doing so behind the scenes) they will presumably be left in peace, they might even be looked upon as some kind of saviours, if they know of a good PR man, that is.
So we’re back to this shell again, but its a shell that isn’t carrying spiv overheads any more. My £4m loss was nothing but a guess (the £14 m reported operating loss less a plucked from thin air £10m overhead). The point was that the more they can reduce that loss the more chance they have of finding – fleecing – someone to cover it. The even more crucial point is this and I aim it specifically at you NTHM with your parallel universe comment. In the best case scenario I can see for the bearz where the spivs ride out of town and leave Ibrox as part of the £1 package they will still be annually funding a loss. That will be the only universe they will have left.
What can one say.
Leggo compares the Rangers AGM vote to the Irish Free State!!
leggoland
Thursday, 7 November 2013
ANTI- JIM McCOLL MEN LOOK AS NEUTRAL AS IRISH FREE STATE IN 1940
WITH the Rangers Annual General Meeting now set for just days before Christmas, every Rangers supporters has a decision to make.
Which side to back.
Either the current incumbents, including a new chairman with Arab banking connections, or the Jim McColl-Paul Murray side, complete with Nominees, along with Dave King, who will surely be ushered into the Blue Room if the Nominees win.
It is make your mind up time. There can be no more supposed fence sitting. Those few supporters who claim to be neutral are running out of time and coming to the end of their rope.
This motley crew must stop picking their collective nose and pick a side. Claiming neutrality will just not hack it any more. Though it is interesting to note that those on one minority supporters’ site who are firmly in any camp except that of the Nominees, are supportive of the anonymous people who claim to be neutral. Yet they are hostile to those who back the Jim McColl-Paul Murray Nominees.
Strange, that
Especially when victory for the Nominees is what it would take open the way for the return of Dave King and all the desperately-needed-by-Rangers financial clout that would mean.
Neutrality is a strange thing. Especially on important matters. For instance, does anyone believe IRA man Eamon de Valera’s Irish Free State was really neutral in 1940 when Britain stood alone in our darkest and subsequently Finest Hour?
No, I didn’t think so.
In fact, I do not believe those who are masquerading as neutrals during this darkest hour for Rangers, are any more neutral towards Jim McColl, Paul Murray and the Nominees than the IRA Irish Free State was neutral towards Britain in 1940.
Yet still they cling to the falsehood that if only Jim McColl and Paul Murray would tell them what their plans are if they win they would have their backing.
Maybe these folk did not pay close attention to Jim McColl’s classy interview on Sky last week. Or maybe they are getting their muddled message from the increasingly bizarre Jack Irvine. Or maybe Jack Irvine’s favourite blogger is despatching the message to the neutral corner, direct from Camelot.
However, for their benefit, what Jim McColl said was that he knows the Blue Chip City of London Institutional Investors, the men who asked him to lead the campaign by putting his signature at the head of the original Requisition, have told him they will invest more when they are satisfied with the personnel in the Blue Room.
Which by definition – and despite all last minute moves by the anonymous investors from the shadowy Blue Pitch Holdings and Margarita Holdings with their Arab connections to add a veneer of respectability in the shape of a new chairman with Arab banking links – still means the men Jim McColl backs.
And that will include Dave King if the Nominees are elected. It could not be more clear cut and more certain than that. Jim McColl has told everyone what will be delivered. And Jim McColl is a man of honour, an open book and man of probity whose word and name carries a great deal of weight with those Blue Chip investors in the Square Mile.
What Jim McColl has promised will be delivered to Ibrox is the money Rangers are running short of. The cash which will be needed if Rangers are to get back to knocking Celtic off their perch and winning a 55th Scottish title.
McColl is a man of his word. That is a proven fact. If he is not an actually billionaire – and he told me he isn’t – then he is not far short of being one. But the important fact is, he is trusted by the men who call the shots for the Blue Chip Institutional Investors in the City of London.
Yet a small, a very small, and increasingly demented looking band of Rangers fans, continue to ridicule him while insisting they are neutral.
My belief is they have a lot in common with the Irish Free State in 1940 when it comes to Neutrality and little in common with the vast majority of Rangers supporters.
From Leggo- “Maybe these folk did not pay close attention to Jim McColl’s classy interview on Sky last week.”
Well I must say that I missed that one. Did he do two interviews with Sky last week, a classy one and the one that I watched?
Neepheid – LOL – as Charles Green would say “Define classy”.
Funny now that SMSM is rushing to report on Amsterdam, that this little nugget Charlotte offered up comes to mind….
https://t.co/JmBbgYjwO0
Smugas says: (498)
November 7, 2013 at 3:46 pm
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Alternatively, if the spivs fancy an easier unthreatened life and leave at least Ibrox in the package (hell even if they arrange an extraneous payment from the brogues for doing so behind the scenes) they will presumably be left in peace, they might even be looked upon as some kind of saviours, if they know of a good PR man, that is.
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In my view there isn’t a chance that the spiv faction are going to give Ibrox to the “knights” as part of a £1 package. The people we know of are simply well paid front men for the shadowy real money men behind this jolly little scam. They will do as they are told.
The real money men have no concerns whatsoever for their own personal safety, because a) nobody really knows who they are and b) they no doubt live in far away places behind high fences. As regards the personal safety of the front men, well, that risk is maybe part of why they’re getting paid so much.
This really is all about money. So property “freebies” are never going to be part of any package. A year’s free rent is the best the knights can hope for.
Tif Finn says:
November 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Oh for the love of goodness, do they have a macro installed which actually types this.
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It’s so laughably transparent, it’s almost like a spoof.
You can just see Jack ticking off the items on his buzzword checklist as he wrote it.
honour and privilege….check
visits to Ibrox….check
tremendous fan base….check
141-year-old institution….check
road to recovery….check
this great club….check
the very top, where it belongs….check
global brand….check
high-calibre CEO….check
etc etc
snore
All that remains is for the new chairman to be pictured on the Ibrox pitch holding a blue scarf above his head.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says: (1113)
November 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm
That reads like the ramblings of a very, very deluded man.
If that is one of the people the rank and file fans take guidance from then the last two years make a lot more sense.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says: (1113)
November 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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Leggo compares the Rangers AGM vote to the Irish Free State!!
ANTI- JIM McCOLL MEN LOOK AS NEUTRAL AS IRISH FREE STATE IN 1940
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Anti Irish propoganda and pro British war propoganda and little either is true.
The second world war is a bit of a hobby of mine and I’ve been priviledged to speak to many involved on both sides. I know from reading official documents and some personal diaries that the established (establisments?) view is as accurate as the MSM’s reporting of the Ibrox Life after Liquidation Jamboree.
Finest hour? Magnificant Journey?
For personal reasons the Sinking of the Bismarck is something of which I have some knowledge.
After it’s rudder was damaged (by EBTs) it went round in circles until the guns of The Rodney and King George V (HMRC) destroyed her capability to function and she was scuttled (after CVA was rejected).
Churchill very skillfully used the news of the sinking as a squirrel to avert attention on Crete. On both sides, sailors died horrible deaths in the battle to sink the Bismarck, and yet Churchwill would not allow Tovey’s tribute to the bravery of the gallant Germans against impossible odds to be made public.
If the Media and the establishment can go to great lengths to portray an innacurate picture of momentous events. We cannot expect them to be honest in the parochial matter of a football club cheating and being allowed to cheat. It’s the establishment’s club after all.
Greenock Jack says: (163)
November 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm
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Time for some rational thinking.
1. Most Celtic fans will accept that not everyone who follows the club is an angel
2. Despite point 1, the club has traveled abroad for decades without any serious incidents involving the supporters.
3. Before and at the game in Glasgow two weeks ago a group of Ajax supporters behaved in a disgraceful manner, which in my opinion was under reported by the Scottish media.
4. More concerning than point 3, is that Police Officers allegedly stood within Celtic Park and allowed seats to be thrown at Celtic fans, and also allowed Ajax fans to consume alcohol and smoke within the stadium. Scottish fans would be subject to Police action for any of these three offences.
5. It appears clear that in the day prior to and on the day of the game in Amsterdam, Celtic fans were being subjected to unprovoked acts of violence.
6. It appears clear that some Celtic fans have become involved in some acts of violence on the day of the game which led to their arrest – see point 1.
Given all the above I believe Celtic and their fans are entitled to believe yesterday was a one off and not a sign of any general decline in standards. it is unlikely there will be too many other opposing clubs to face in Europe with a hooligan problem as bad as Ajax clearly have.
I, for one, will not be engaging in any whataboutery.
Re the highly offensive banner displayed by Ajax fans. In 1982 they taunted us with a huge banner with the words ‘F— The Pope!’
We had to just accept it back then, but things like that are illegal now, aren’t they? I would have been
as angry if CFC fans had something similar offending Jews.
Maybe I’m paranoid, but I’m convinced the SMSM would have reported much more on the latter. Let’s not
kid ourselves, they would have had a field day! I can just imagine the bad press Celtic fans would get.
I suppose I needn’t worry though when we have pundits like wee Pat Nevin who vowed to highlight this
type of thing any time it rears it’s ugly head… Aye, RIGHT!
Angus1983 says: (1221)
November 7, 2013 at 7:14 pm
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If you can show tangible evidence of the alleged incidents at Dundee I may comment. The problem is there has never been any tangible evidence shown. No videos – nothing other than statements from witnesses that cannot be considered impartial. On the assumption you have not seen any evidence, I guess you are unable to comment either.
I could be wrong, but it appears to me from your postings you may have an issue with Celtic and their fans.
Question that should be asked at all football quizzes from now on,points deducted for the wrong answer , how many clubs in Scottish football will have the opportunity to reach a record 55 top tier league titles in the next 20 years [I know,benefit of doubt],question 2 ,What current club holds the most top tier titles, question 3 ,Can you name the club who held the most top tier titles before going out of business,bonus points for getting all 3 correct ,I believe this will enter the guinness book of records as the most incorrectly answered trio of bonus questions ever ,ps ,still out in the BVI ,no sign of Whitey at any of the institutions.
Angus likes to stir the pot to ensure this is not a totally Celtic minded forum.
My tuppence worth is that sometimes you can’t just turn the other cheek and expect the police to deal with violence when abroad.
I experienced similar when in Madrid with Aberdeen. We were attacked and fought back.
However there’s no excuse for the bottle and missile throwing seen in the videos
Bill1903 says: (15)
November 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm
However there’s no excuse for the bottle and missile throwing seen in the videos
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Of course there is no excuse for it. It is shameful behaviour.
Apparently Keith Jackson has just said on Radio Scotland ‘Amsterdam is right up there with Manchester’. No wonder we get paranoid.
I’ll get slammed for this but personally I don’t think its whatabouttery to say that if last night’s incidents had involved Rangers fans, there would be far less understanding and explanation and far more condemnation.
28 fan arrests I think and several policemen (as well as fans) hospitalised. Terrible behaviour and all those involved should get life bans.
All those under the disgraceful banner displayed behind the goal by Ajax fans should also receive life bans and probably criminal prosecution also.
RyanGosling says @8.29
Ryan i don’t see any mention in today’s press about the despicable scenes at Ibrox last night.
Not a mention anywhere,about kids who were there supporting Dunfermline,got spat on and hit with coins ,their crime was to sing “your’e not Rangers anymore”.
So i think your statement rings a little hollow
Couple of questions on Mr Somers, who appears eminently qualified to be the chairman of a PLC from the little I have seen.
Was he employed by the current board as non executive director / Chairman, or put in place by the NOMAD.
What process was involved in this appointment, it appears to have just been out of the blue, as opposed to the current process of advertising for the appointment of a CEO.
Like I said he seems to be very suitable for the post (at least from a financial viewpoint) but I’m interested in establishing if the club picked him for the job, or if he was thrust upon them by (effectively) AIM.
upthehoops says: (624)
November 7, 2013 at 7:27 pm
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You’re not wrong UTH. I’ve noticed for a long, long time that he has a grievance with either Celtic, their fans, or both.
@RyanGosling – according the press release from CFC 5 detained –
“We have been informed that there are five individuals detained in Holland. We are not clear if they have any formal association with the Club”
As an aside have a look at the message from one outlet posted here http://celticjournal.org/3362/celtic-fans-act-in-self-defence-against-undercover-officers/
RyanGosling says: (82)
November 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm
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Ryan, impossible that rangers fans would be involved in such incidents. They died remember? Or do you still read the Scottish papers?… “Rangers and their miraculous progress after coming out of administration”, etc, etc ad infinitum.
Anyway, where you been for so long? Funny you should just pop up out of the blue like this and resume normal mode, eh? 😈
I could have worded my comment above better, I should have said – have a look at the apology an outlet in Amsterdam gave to the Celtic fans.
RyanGosling says: (82)
November 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm
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It was reported today that there were 49 arrested…with 18 Celtic fans amongst the 49…
I was not there…so I have no way of knowing what the facts are….but what I can say is there has been no reports of this kind of behaviour previously in the past many years when Celtic fans have travelled…I can also confirm that when I have travelled abroad to watch Celtic…there are some places that have been wonderful…and some that have been utterly dreadful…Spain being one of the worst places I have visited
I was in Valencia…when around 50 youths were allowed to congregate and hurl bricks and bottles at the waiting Celtic fans at the stadium while the Spanish Police with Alsations stood in front of them preventing any Celtic fan from retaliating….it didn’t take long before some of the bricks we had received started finding their way back in the opposite direction…queue the dogs coming in and things on the verge of becoming chaotic…
In that situation the press would simply stick the boot in…yet the away support had arrived without any interest in misbehaving…
Having witnessed the Ajax support at Celtic park….I knew the away leg was going to be trouble…which from my understanding the Milan fans also suffered the same fate on their visit to Amsterdam a few weeks ago…
To me it is clear Ajax have a problem …a big problem with their support…UEFA were quick enough to step into the Man City issue…lets see how quickly they do with the Sectarian banner?
Angus has in the past been suspended for alleged sectarian comments – particularly in regard to Neil Lennon and people from the northern part of Ireland.
The previous unpleasantness was only partly mitigated by (in the mods opinion) a rather grudging apology. Please do not respond to this kind of baiting. It makes our job much harder when we have warring factions. Nuts to the squirrel so to speak.
For the avoidance of doubt, any criminal activity by any football fan at any location at any time is despicable. I am of the opinion, although I am prepared to be proved wrong, that the incidents last night, which were highly predictable in the light of the events in Glasgow, have been ramped up as a means of deflection – and most likely spun by MH.
That said, it is worthy of comment – although like any such discussion it has only tangential value to the aims of this blog, which is about fairness and transparency in the reporting of the governance of Scottish football.
Finally, I am rather surprised that Greenock Jack has chosen to comment, as his contribution was made a short while after he mailed the mods asking to be “perma-banned”, averring, ” I promise I won’t make a fuss about it!”. This for reasons totally unknown to the mod who received the mail. I assume that this mail was sent shortly before his namesake begun spinning the Amsterdam story. 🙂
Timing is everything for jack and Jack. Watches in sync in future 🙂
RyanGosling says: (82)
November 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm
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Ryan, see my post at 6:56PM. Had exactly the same scenario unfolded with Rangers fans I’d have some sympathy with them. I won’t be doing whataboutery on this. I am just concerned that a concerted hooligan effort from Ajax fans has caused issues which almost certainly would not have happened had those hooligans not existed. Now I see some Scottish media people behaving very irresponsibly.
TheGamesABogey says: (14)
November 7, 2013 at 8:44 pm
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STV news are still running with the ‘dozens’ of Celtic fans detained, which flies in the face of the five Celtic are reporting. Celtic I guess will be getting info via the Police. Where are STV getting theirs from?
As an aside I hope any Celtic fan guilty of mindless violence is dealt with accordingly.
Why do sevco make their most interesting press releases on the day after Celtic’s European CL games? Anyone would think Jack doesn’t have much media savvy! After all, it’s good news that they now have a Chairman who ‘on the evidence presented’ ©Darryl Broad foot, has no beneficial interest in the club! AND there’s going to be an AGM on the 19th Dec! Jack should get some PR advice!
Uth 6.55
Good idea not to engage in whataboutery.
They will win hands down on account of the practice put in.
Celtic fans displayed a banner criticizing EUFA and rightly got punished.
Last night a sectarian banner was displayed. If the same banner was displayed by Celtic fans and the first word was replaced by say , black, jewish, muslin or orange do you think our own media would have mentioned it
Do we really think EUFA will act on this.
If they do not then I endorse theCeltic banner that had no faith in EUFA.
davythelotion says: (218)
November 7, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Why do sevco make their most interesting press releases on the day after Celtic’s European CL games? Anyone would think Jack doesn’t have much media savvy! After all, it’s good news that they now have a Chairman who ‘on the evidence presented’ ©Darryl Broad foot, has no beneficial interest in the club! AND there’s going to be an AGM on the 19th Dec! Jack should get some PR advice!
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I think Darryl Broadfoot has gone on holiday – maybe tending his garden even :-). When I questioned him on Twitter about that statement (serious error of judgement and poor choice of words on his part), he simply ignored it. A few people have prodded him for a reply to the question, but he has been silenced.
The irony of course is it supposed to be the PR guys who keep a lid on the company guys – not the other way around. A job switch is imminent. He can’t possibly survive such a ridiculous gaffe in an environment where words are being chosen as carefully as they are.
@upthehoops says
As an aside I hope any Celtic fan guilty of mindless violence is dealt with accordingly
As do I, and if that means a life ban so be it. All I have tried to do is separate the MSM stories from the facts.
With regard Keith Jackson’s alleged comparison, and I did not hear it myself, if it has been reported correctly then I trust he will be banned from Celtic Park forthwith.
As I said earlier, if any fans are convicted of violence in a criminal Court then I expect them to be given lifetime bans by the club. Unequivocally, there should be zero tolerance on violence. That’s in relation to not just football supporters but anyone else.
Likewise if it is true what Mr Jackson is alleged to have said, I would hope he also receives a lifetime ban. He was at best playing to the Rangers support and at worst antagonising the Celtic support by what he (allegedly) said. I really have had enough of this oaf, people like him really are a fundamental part of the problem.
Bill1903 says: November 7, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Angus likes to stir the pot to ensure this is not a totally Celtic minded forum.
My tuppence worth is that sometimes you can’t just turn the other cheek and expect the police to deal with violence when abroad.
I experienced similar when in Madrid with Aberdeen. We were attacked and fought back.
However there’s no excuse for the bottle and missile throwing seen in the videos
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Bill, I respect and admire your honesty. If those qualities were widespread, Scotland, never mind it’s football, would have no problems.
I’d like to ask you when you fought back what did you fight back with, and what were you fighting back against?
I think you’re right wrt Angus. But I know he does not like Celtic or Celtic fans. There’s probably a story behind that dislike. Maybe someday he’ll share it with us.
Indeed sometimes I wonder if there are two Anguses. (Or should that be two Angi?)
upthehoops says: (626)
November 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Apparently Keith Jackson has just said on Radio Scotland ‘Amsterdam is right up there with Manchester’. No wonder we get paranoid.
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So it was Chelsea fans then and when asked to comment by the media, Celtic officials will not be asked any follow up questions…….. splendid.
I can’t find it on the interwebs but following Manchester a Rangers official who was also an advocate of letter shredding stated that he had information that non Rangers fans were responsible.
The obvious follow up question was not asked. In fact, it never is.
EGM to be held after shares “Lock-In” period expires?
I would love to be a French Estate Agent! All those lovely Chateaux’s for sale?
Even Jackson on Sportsound tonight questioned the timing and thought something was fishy. He was declaring his concerns about “The Penny Shares”. I can see his point. I would have loved to have spent £10,000 on shares at 1p each, see them floated at 70 odd pence, then have to wait a year before I could flog ’em!
As Jackson said, even if the share price at the end of the lock in is only 2p a share, you’ve doubled your money! Nice work if you can get it, eh Mr McCoist?
Are we seeing the MSM Winds of Change? Pardon the pun, but is the “penny” about to drop?
Broadswordcallingdannybhoy says: (122)
November 7, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Apparently Keith Jackson has just said on Radio Scotland ‘Amsterdam is right up there with Manchester’.
£££££££££
Over priced beer, dingy pubs, excessive drug use, canals that smell like a skunk’s nappy,…I see what he means!!
fergussingstheblues says:
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Just how many shares are the Easdales or their backers going to buy prior to the AGM.
As you say, if the people who got the shares for 1p sell them for 2p then they have doubled their money.
Let’s make it 10p, just for the sake or argument. They have multiplied their money ten times (check that for me please Gav).
It would also make the equivalent market capitalization roughly £6.5m (if all of the shares were 10p). So at that price, if the Easdales wanted to control 52% of the business they would need another 20%. At 10p that would mean one fifth of £6.5m, or around £1.3m.
At those prices, getting control of Rangers would not be that expensive. Particularly considering the alleged value of the assets the business holds. There has to be a distinct possibility that the control of Rangers will have changed substantially prior to the AGM taking place.
And the pretentious media sorts!
willmacufree says: (221)
November 7, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Bill, I respect and admire your honesty. If those qualities were widespread, Scotland, never mind it’s football, would have no problems.
I’d like to ask you when you fought back what did you fight back with, and what were you fighting back against?
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We played Athletico Madrid away a few years ago.
8 thousand Aberdeen fans there mostly well behaved.
Before the game a group of their ultras attacked Aberdeen fans outside the ground.
As there were woman and children among us we defended ourselves and they were off like the cowards they were.
I wouldn’t get involved in anything to do with bottles or weapons as anything could happen then.
willmacufree says: (221)
November 7, 2013 at 9:34 pm
But I know he does not like Celtic or Celtic fans. There’s probably a story behind that dislike. Maybe someday he’ll share it with us.
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Really, Will, I’m too old to actively dislike many things – although hand on heart I have to admit I don’t have much time for Rangers or their fans. I don’t particularly like Celtic, right enough – because they’re not my team and the whole OF favouritism thing got on my goat (sheep?) for many years. Only in comparatively recent times has this favouritism swung more towards Rangers than being equally applied to both teams. Mr Lennon is not on my list of nicest people in the world, admittedly. When I previously explained why, I ended up getting banned – so I won’t go into it again! 🙂
Bill’s right – I chuck these things into the pot only in an attempt to balance the flavours. As Jack rightly said, if it had been Rangers fans in Amsterdam then it can’t honestly be denied that there would have been very few mitigations put forward here.
On occasion the blog tips too far towards Celtic-mindedness and I just canna resist trying to tip it back towards neutrality, that’s all.
[edit]As for there being two of me – that’s a Pisces thing. I swim in different directions at the same time, and therefore often make little sense to normal people. Or so my missus tells me.
Following on from my earlier post…
Delighted to hear from another more recent post that Keith Jackson (who I refuse to listen to after his cowardly attack on the Killie chairman recently ) is apparently starting to get concerned about the penny shares ..
So What do you think..big piece coming challenging Ally to pay his profits back to the creditors from whom the takings have been pilfered ?
ERMMMM…… Thought not…
Incidentally ..is there anyone anywhere out there … even a Rangers fan or one of their top bloggers who can defend he and the others pocketing the cash which should be going to the creditors?
@angus
Yo the man!
This place need a shake up
Tailothebank says: (48)
November 7, 2013 at 10:18 pm
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Ally’s loafers don’t pay for themselves you know!!!!
New RIFC PLC Chairman speaks to the loyal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pmzHsv0ZcI
He was interviewed by Stockbridge and Easdale and got the job.
Can I possibly retract my earlier comments about him being, or appearing to be, suited to be Chairman of the PLC.
Looks like just another place man to me.
Language and manners are all over the place tonight folks. Please remember where you are.
My apologies folks.