Celtic’s Champions League windfall is a bonus for Scottish football, not a handicap


Did anyone hear the guy from the Pie & Bovril …

Comment on Celtic’s Champions League windfall is a bonus for Scottish football, not a handicap by upthehoops.

Did anyone hear the guy from the Pie & Bovril Website on Sportsound on Tuesday night? On Monday night he was involved in a Twitter spat with Stewart Regan over ticket prices for the Scotland v Malta game. He made a number of points about how disengaged the SFA are with ordinary fans, including that he knows a number of Scotland fans no longer attend games because of the way the SFA handled the Rangers affair, because they (the fans) want to punish the SFA. Darryl Broadfoot, who no longer works for the SFA, defended them and Regan to the hilt, but said there ‘isn’t time to do justice to the Rangers thing’. What a surprise! Kenny McIntyre, who normally loves saying ‘but does he have a point’ sat in silence. What a surprise!

I honestly don’t know why Rangers don’t try and field 12 players every game, because I reckon the SFA and media would be fine with it. 

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Celtic’s Champions League windfall is a bonus for Scottish football, not a handicap
JIMBOSEPTEMBER 2, 2017 at 18:04  
Tam cowan should just shut up!
How on earth is a Motherwell supporter allowed to comment on ticket prices involving the Celtic and top teams in Europe?


…because it is the Scottish media’s duty to nit pick and be negative about Celtic.  Their world was definitely happier when Rangers were top at the expense of the public purse. That was either (a) debt to the state owned Bank of Scotland that would never have to be paid pack (b) a tax avoidance scheme to pay better players than they could afford with has been ruled illegal by the highest court in the UK, or (c) deliberate withholding of staff PAYE and NI contributions to pay wages to players they could not afford. 

Yet there some in the Scottish media who think all of the above was okay, or was someone else’s fault. Wow!

Celtic’s Champions League windfall is a bonus for Scottish football, not a handicap
JOHN CLARKSEPTEMBER 1, 2017 at 21:39  
upthehoopsSeptember 1, 2017 at 18:38‘……I believe an investigation can only take place if the member FA notifies UEFA. ..’___________________Not as I read the the Rules, uth:


Thanks for that John, although I find it difficult to see how UEFA are ever going to become aware that TRFC are propped up by ever increasing soft loans if the SFA just keep granting them a licence. 

Celtic’s Champions League windfall is a bonus for Scottish football, not a handicap
HOMUNCULUSSEPTEMBER 1, 2017 at 18:05  
Not Scottish football but could have an effect throughout European football. It is being reported that UEFA are investigating PSG in relation to Financial Fair Play. The investigation is to focus on the club’s compliance with the “break even” requirement. 


I could be wrong so hopefully someone will correct me if so. I believe an investigation can only take place if the member FA notifies UEFA. If that is the case then a certain Scottish club will never have its affairs looked into to IMO.

Recent Comments by upthehoops

Questions, questions, questions
Mordecai 17th August 2022 At 05:31


The BBC did provide me with the Information Commissioner’s contact details in the event I wanted to take the matter further and I have indeed done just that! I really can’t see how in the event that a publicly funded organisation has used public money to gain media access to a football club that we don’t have a right to know. If they haven’t done so I believe we also have the right to know given this payment for media access was a known issue last season.

Questions, questions, questions
A few weeks ago, after the BBC published its groveling apology towards Ibrox, I asked under Freedom of Information whether (a) they have paid licence fee money to gain media access at Ibrox, and (b) whether any other Scottish club charges them for media access. They responded basically saying they don’t have to tell me, as journalism is not covered by the FOI act. I find this incredible given that if they have paid for access, they will have used money contributed by all licence fee payers. Also, does paying for access compromise their right to apply the same level of analysis as they do to clubs who don’t charge?

Edit: I see a fans forum online claiming the charge has been ditched ‘quietly’.

Questions, questions, questions
John Clark 6th August 2022 At 23:42

But my deepest scorn is for those in the SMSM who ought, ought as a matter of journalistic duty, as being the very essence of ‘journalism’, to have got right into the stupid, stupid, lie that a football club in Liquidation was somehow still participating in Scottish Football as if it had not died!


For me the most disappointing thing is journalists who we know are not cheerleaders for all things Ibrox, being cowed into submission, I could mention them here, but basic human decency makes me know they have a job, and a family, and an employer who is beholden to all things ‘Rangers’. However, they really need to ask themselves why they ever bothered becoming journalists in the first place, because the ‘seeking the truth others don’t want to hear’ claim really doesn’t hold water! They’ve sold their soul, and they know it!

Questions, questions, questions
Big Pink 6th August 2022 At 09:41

Seems unlikely that Morelos is part owned by anyone else. However there’s only way of testing either theory is if he is transferred, and that seems an ever decreasing outcome given all we have talked about for the last four years is how much he will be offloaded for.
Also, what happens if he runs goes contract down? Would that mean that the 14% would also disappear?
Just doesn’t sound right at all.


You may well be right, however given all that’s come to pass since 2012 I don’t think it can be ruled out either. If it is a breach of the SFA’s registration procedures what confidence would we have the SFA would do anything about it anyway? The absurd LNS investigation springs to mind. Also, the SFA themselves found there was a case to answer regarding the award of a European licence in 2011, then went on to just drop the case!

The tax thieving American businesswoman Leona Helmsley once said “taxes are for the little people”. In the same way, SFA rules are for the little people, who are every other club bar the one playing out of Ibrox. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

Questions, questions, questions
Wokingcelt 28th July 2022 At 21:13

Taking a step back you have to ask what on earth has gone on here. I am fairly confident that the UK Government will face a public inquiry (or is that enquiry – I can never get that one right!) over Covid loans and procurements made. Not saying that it will put right the wrongs but at least there will be a report. I have zero confidence that any such inquiry will be held in Scotland to account for the untold millions – by my reckoning north of £100m which if scaled up would be north of £1.2bn in UK terms. And all for a football club – totally unconscionable.


The Scottish Government have said an independent inquiry will be held once all the legal processes are complete. The trouble is, how do you guarantee true independence in such a matter in Scotland? Nothing should be more independent than the Police and the legal system yet that is what will be under scrutiny. I doubt the Scottish Government will want any inquiry to say that there is institutional bias towards ‘Rangers’ because that would then lead to so many other questions. I suspect a lot more taxpayers money will be spent on a whitewash, with the real truth emerging in 30 years time. The very fact that so many politicians and media commentators stay silent on what is an absolute scandal tells us all we need to know. If it concerned any other football club there would be outrage. Old attitudes don’t die easily, and are clearly passed down the line. We should be truly thankful that HMRC do not answer to the Scottish Government.

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