1,814 thoughts on “Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?”

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   Para Handy says:

   September 16, 2012 at 18:41(Edit)

   Angus says:
   September 16, 2012 at 16:35
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   Cortes says:
   September 16, 2012 at 16:09

   P.S> Why do Partick Thistle get called the Maryhill Magyars? Just for alliterative efect?
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   After winning the League Cup in 1971, Thistle were entered into the Cup Winnners Cup and drawn against Honved (I was at the home game which we lost 0-3 after losing 1-0 away).

   Pretty sure that this Is the origin of the term not the 1950s story…

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   PH. It is from the 50s. It was definitely Malky Munro – probably late 50s.
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   TSFM & Para Handy – thank you.

   TSFM – how did you manage to get the word “Hungarian” past your own moderation? Let’s see if it works for me … 🙂

   Honved, as you may or may not know, means “soldier”. Budapest Honved were the Army team in the 1950s and included Puskas, Kocsis, Boszik and Csibor in their ranks.

   Interestingly, after resurrecting their original name of Kispest Honved, they ran a decidely dodgy tax evasion scheme by making their players self-employed and sub-contracting them to the Club.

   It all went tits up, liquidation happened, and a new Budapest Honved were formed – taking the old club’s League place (NB on condition the tax debt of the old club was paid!).

   It could be noted that the current Honved proudly retain the history of the old Honved, and have the original club’s formation date of 1909 on their badge …

   http://honvedfc.hu/?page=1&lang=en

   (Be prepared for the club song “Hajra Honved!” if you have your sound turned up!)
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   The Invisible Line says:
   September 16, 2012 at 19:30

   On what planet do you do business on?
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   I do business all around planet earth, I have never extended my reach further, perhaps you can tell me, from your expierence what opportunities are available in other galaxies.

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   Say for example players were given an indication that Celtic and Rangers were interested in them – the wages requested would be say 14k a week. Celtic could maybe just pay that amount but need to factor into their budget tax/paye etc – but that would be their limit.
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   That is my whole point, try getting out a bit more, I work in the Middle East I pay 0% tax so if I come back to Scotland am I going to accept the same gross amount, of course not I want the same NET, ie after tax.

   So will I actually gain anything, No! I will get the same amount of take home pay, but my employer will pay a lot more.

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   See Gavin Rae’s example on RTC link earlier – it woudl be good for you to do some research first.

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   I wont even bother to answer that petty nonsense.

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   If there is one thing that struck me on the list of 83 players/staff is how much very ordinary players received.

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   So what after your extensive research what conclusion have you come too?
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   TSFM & Para Handy – thank you.

   TSFM – how did you manage to get the word “Hvngarian” past your own moderation? Let’s see if it works for me … 🙂

   (re-post note: it didn’t.)

   Honved, as you may or may not know, means “soldier”. Budapest Honved were the Army team in the 1950s and included Puskas, Kocsis, Boszik and Csibor in their ranks.

   Interestingly, after resurrecting their original name of Kispest Honved, they ran a decidely dodgy tax evasion scheme by making their players self-employed and sub-contracting them to the Club.

   It all went tits up, liquidation happened, and a new Budapest Honved were formed – taking the old club’s League place (NB on condition the tax debt of the old club was paid!).

   It could be noted that the current Honved proudly retain the history of the old Honved, and have the original club’s formation date of 1909 on their badge …

   http://honvedfc.hu/?page=1&lang=en

   (Be prepared for the club song “Hajra Honved!” if you have your sound turned up!)
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   “… and COMPLETELY ban the H word (including the use of asterisks to circumvent the rule).”

   Aye, but perhaps not if it’s just a syllable in another word? e.g., as above in reference to a country between Austria and Ukraine?
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   I entered a comment early about the 5 stars on the new strip and lack of site of such but apparently they are there. I went to check and unfortuantely came across a website with some dreadful posts and I will not print the link to it, but here are some edited extractions in response to some guy questioning the 5 stars on the strip..
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   August 24th, 2012 at 19:54 | #10 Reply | Quote They may be a new club but what you don’t understand is there are 2 company’s you moron. The company running Rangers and the football club itself, The company running Rangers is all that has changed so they still keep history all tied into IBROX stadium so cry all you want because you will never have a history as glorious as ours.

   The above was one of the milder comments

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   August 24th, 2012 at 13:36 | #3 Reply | Quote They should have those 5 stars, they are not a new club… they are a new business, the club remains the same, hence ibrox, the badge, and the name only has to be altered slightly. They are still Rangers and always will be Rangers…. enjoy the SPL without us you ***t, we will see how long Scumtoc remain!

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   August 24th, 2012 at 15:37 | #5 Reply | Quote Dheano :
   They shouldn’t have those 5 stars, they’re a new club with no history.

   Old historty transferred over by SFA FACT

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   As we all know the SFA were never brave enough to make such a clear statement either way which has brought us to where we are today.

   Chuckie bought the Big House at a knock doon rate and he asked if he could keep the furniture and fittings, he particaularly liked the curtains and the trophy cabinet.

   Wouldn’t it have been great if Chuckie had said. I’ve bought the assests of what was Rangers, we now move forward as a new club that will start a new history. My wish is that we take all that was good about the old club, we promote it’s Scottish roots and market it as a great Scottish brand Worldwide. I want to remove all connections to the unsavioury elements that followed the old club and that means ditching most of the song sheet and those flags that have no place here. Lets see only saltires and a dedicated Rangers flag. Lets gain the respect of our fellow clubs and supporters elsewhere and if this means that we part company with a section of our support who have been loyal to the old club then I’m afraid so be it. There are many decent supporters who followed Rangers and I would ask them to come with us on this new adventure and lets take this opportunity to create a new history.

   You will have gathered that I couldnae write speeches but I think you will get the gist of what I’m trying to convey. A new and revived Rangers without the baggage would have been brilliant for us all. Alas!!
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   Senior says:
   September 16, 2012 at 19:06

   Look under “External Contacts” at the top of the page. Rab + others completed this a few weeks ago.
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   Oldcobrokemyheartbycheating says:

   September 16, 2012 at 19:09(Edit)

   The ending of this blog will be the moderation I feel how much users will be lost through this? Trolling is indeed a pain but im sure as grown men/woman we can read through the drivel. how seriously we treat ourselves is dangerous look at minty moonbeams as an example. I hope my fears are unfounded though as we have to keep an eye, on our game and not let the bigwigs ruin it.
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   Depends what you want the blog to achieve.

   It may end the mass appeal of the blog, but my hope is that it will increase the quality of the debate. The bigwigs won’t pay any heed to partisan name calling, but they will find reasoned temperate debate harder to ignore – in my opinion.

   I’d prefer to see a lower subscription with less trolling and posts which do not add to the debate. In any event, what we are proposing is to REDUCE moderation by verifying the bona fides of posters.
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   Stifflers Mom says:

   September 16, 2012 at 19:28(Edit)

   TSFM – is this a different ‘sign-up’ from the sign up at the top of the page in the black box? Or am I just thick?
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   It is a different thing. The signup you refer to is to be notified of new posts on here. Follow the link in the last message on this thread to get a WP ID
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    Cortes says:
    September 16, 2012 at 16:09
    I thought Magyar was shvnned on here.
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    Not amongst us Maryhill Magyars! 🙂
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    Thanks for that Jimmy Bones, to long out in the sun!
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    Angus says:
    September 16, 2012 at 16:35
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    Just saw your follow up post … Obviously alliterative effect comes into it but expression comes from 50s with equally obvious reference to Hungarian team of that time. We were never that good of course … though worth watching recently.
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    TSFM says:
    September 16, 2012 at 19:52

    Fair points and justified just would be a shame if the troller’s win. Hopefully it does stop them I suppose and we can concentrate, on improving Scottish football with fan input which the blazers all to often ignore.
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    Castofthousands says:

    September 16, 2012 at 19:41(Edit)

    TSFM

    Tried to use ‘castofthousands’ as my username. Sytem said it already exists and invited me to a login page where I was required to enter my username/e:mail address and a password. I hadn’t set up my password yet. Am I just stupid or has someone nicked my name?
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    I assume it is because someone has already chosen that name at WordPress. I checked the use of the name on here, and there is only one email address. Therefore I infer it is a global wordpress issue.
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    Test
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    Angus says:

    September 16, 2012 at 19:48(Edit)

    “… and COMPLETELY ban the H word (including the use of asterisks to circumvent the rule).”

    Aye, but perhaps not if it’s just a syllable in another word? e.g., as above in reference to a country between Austria and Ukraine?
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    Since there will be no banned words list, it’s not an issue.
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    After the latest arrest in the ongoing Tommy Sheridan / NOTW fallout, it has struck me how similar the tactics of Sheridan and Sevco are.

    Guilt is entirely incidental to them both. All they are interested in is taking as many people as they can down with them, with the intention of claiming a victory at the end.

    Tell half truths, deflect, spread innuendo, throw mud, and deploy every available canister of smoke and every available mirror.

    Above all, stay well away, and indeed ignore the facts.

    Where Sheridan has Gayle, chuckles has the peepil.

    Shameful.
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    Readcelt says:
    September 16, 2012 at 17:22

    Not sure why, but my experience was similar. Waterstones in NM could not find the book but had more copies coming in & took my number to call me. Went back later & bought my copy which they fetched from the “cupboard” – there were still none on display.

    Enjoying the read so far but probably not learning too much that’s new – I was reasonably up to date on RTC. I am intrigued by a couple of comments

    1. The writer asserts that it is Hector’s intention to keep RFC in admin until the FTTT has completed. I don’t understand either (a) why he is so sure of this or (b) what Hectors reasons might be – perhaps someone could enlighten me.

    2. There is a link – http://goo.gl/PiqCK – to a Guardian article by Roy Greenslade in Dec 2011 about a “commercial relationship” between STV and RFC. What was that about ?

    3. Just finished the media section and I now understand rather better why the MSM are held in such low esteem in Scotland.
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    While I’m about it, I also decided to get my crystal ball out this afternoon.

    I saw a vision of December, and sevco were attending the court of session attempting to overturn the transfer embargo, arguing that it was “plainly unfair” and there was “an agenda to keep us in division 3”.

    Anyone willing to argue against my premonition?
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    Senior says:
    September 16, 2012 at 19:06

    This is a copy of a post I came across on a West Ham forum which gives a fairly concise summary. It does badly need to be edited and tidied up but could form the basis of a letter such as you suggested. Would you be willing to do that? and submit an edited version ready fro sending.

    WHU – Wembley66 on Green

    Of course he is – he’s all part of the master plan concocted by Murray over the last 3+ years after his share subscription offer flopped and there was no more cash available from the banks. The original plan was to liquidate Rangers and start afresh in the SPL with no debts. Murray sold Rangers to Whyte for £1 and paid off the £18m debt to Lloyds (who were demanding the debt to be repaid and who had a charge over Ibrox and the Murray Park training ground). Murray or his associates didn’t want to pay the £18m and not get it back if Rangers liquidated, so they invested in Ticketus who bought 4 years of season tickets in return for giving Whyte’s Rangers £20+m. Whyte also sold off the future catering revenues to Close Brothers in return for a few £m that provided some of the working capital they needed for last season. The plan was to see through last season, quickly liquidate the club and their friends in the SFA/SPL would just transfer the SPL licence to the new club who would start with no debts. The plan went wrong when they didn’t make it past the very first preliminary match in the Champions League (nor the resulting Europa League preliminary) and with no European revenues they resorted to not paying income tax and VAT to provide them the cashflow they needed. As a result HMRC forced them into administration and they’ve been on the back foot ever since.

    Duff & Phelps were appointed by Craig Whyte – they had previously advised Rangers on the sale to Whyte, so they are possibly complicit in the scam to sell everything to Green for £5m. Green is creating a siege mentality and the notion that everyone is out to get Rangers. He needs to get the Rangers support on his side and to create the ‘hard done by’ feeling amongst them all. As a result of this he’s managed to get them to buy season tickets and turn up for matches – but where’s that money going – Ticketus are still involved and want their money back, Close Brothers want their money back and Craig Whyte wants paying for all his troubles.

    Although there was a court hearing and the resulting judgement that said under Scottish law the Ticketus agreement could be deemed invalid, this is no longer the case as the agreement was willingly transferred from old Rangers to Sevco 5088 Ltd, an English company who had bought all the old Rangers assets. So now the agreement is between 2 English companies where it is valid. Sevco 5088 Ltd then transferred some of the assets (but not the Ticketus agreement) to Sevco Scotland Ltd (a Scottish company) who are the new Rangers. There has to be a Scottish company as license holders to play in Scotland – but they now owe Sevco 5088 Ltd for the Ticketus money. That’s why Rangers were briefly known as Sevco 5088 Ltd rather than the sale being directly to Sevco Scotland Ltd.

    So how are they going to pay these people off and still try to run a club whose expenditure still outstrips their income. A share offer! Who’s going to buy the shares – the supporters? What are they going to buy shares in – the Club or the Company (unfortunately the Company, so if that goes bust they’ve lost their money again). How’s Green going to persuade them to invest – increase the siege mentality. He knows the titles will be stripped – but stir enough sh!t about them and declare that you’ll never take away our titles and the supporters think he’s even more of a hero. If the share offer fails, he’ll walk away and they’ll liquidate the company – he’ll say he tried his best but the SFA/SPL had it in for him – it was their fault not his. They’ll eventually sell Ibrox to someone so Ticketus and Close Brothers get their money back – it’s worth more if it can be sold to a football club that will play there, which could be another new incarnation of Rangers or someone buys Cowdenbeath Rangers and relocates them to Ibrox, changes the strip and drops the ‘Cowdenbeath’.

    And Whyte – well his dad still holds the floating charge over the Murray Park training ground which is worth a few bob.
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    TSFM says:
    September 16, 2012 at 14:30
    smartie1947 says:

    September 16, 2012 at 14:14(Edit)
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    Since around 25-30% (conservative estimate) of the readership of things like the Daily Record, and Skytext are Rangers fans, it seems a bit churlish to be criticising them for that.

    The problem is not that they are catering to a genuine demand, it is that they are passing up an opportunity to inform them properly by reporting only the things those people want to hear.

    The issue for the MSM is fast becoming how will they justify that to the other 70% who are genuinely shocked at how they have chosen to cover this story. The answer to this may be that the conservative estimate above is FAR too conservative.

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    I actually stopped buying The S*N a few weeks ago, and have never bought a DR for a good few years.

    In the last few weeks, I haven’t even tried any other Newspaper, and TBH, haven’t even missed them.

    Unfortunately today, probably out of sentiment, I bought The Sunday Post as a wee treat !

    My own fault, I know. Probably still expected it to be the same as it was in the ’70’s !

    Ah well ! Anyone one advise on what I should try next Sunday ?
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    TSFM or anyone else
    Being not the sharpest computer user 🙂 will I still be able to read blog as usual under my present wordpress details ?.
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    Jimmy Bones @ 20.28. That scenario has some merit and I have always thought that the key to unravelling this is Ticketus. My reservation with the SDM scenario has always been “why?”. Did he really want to keep RFC THAT badly he’d resort to a plan like he did? Anonymously funding Ticketus? There are much easier ways he could have paid off Lloyds and restructured the deal so his £18m was safe without resorting to something that has turned out so underhand.
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    tried to sign up, it would not accept many variations of username
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    Rocky sullivan says:
    September 16, 2012 at 20:21

    While I’m about it, I also decided to get my crystal ball out this afternoon.

    I saw a vision of December, and sevco were attending the court of session attempting to overturn the transfer embargo, arguing that it was “plainly unfair” and there was “an agenda to keep us in division 3″.

    Anyone willing to argue against my premonition?

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    It isn’t a transfer embargo, it’s an embargo on registering players.

    In any case, did Sevco not agree to this as part of their deal to cheat their way back into Scottish senior football.
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    http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/185749-annan-v-rangers/page__st__325

    Never seen any mention of another flare in the MSM.

    This was from a poster at the match. if you go to the forum you will see others confirming trouble by Sevco fans.

    The Annan committee made a major error in allowing so many Sevco fans into the home end yesterday.Never heard so much utter filth being sung at a football match before,they really do belong in the dark ages.During the first half they were politely invited to shut the f**k up .Being told that their sectarian bile had no place at a 3rd division football seemed to enrage these neanderthals and duly started to attack some of the Annan support.The polis were quick to react and i saw at least 2 sevco fans foaming at the mouth being led away.

    Flares were also set of during the game and one of these has damaged the new pitch.I went for a look while walking the dug this morning and its quite a substantial burn.

    We left the ground in a somewhat jovial mood obviously too jovial for the 40 or so sevco fans who tried to start a fight with us at the bottom of north street.One old sevco fan was going ape-shlt because my pal had green polo shirt on.The rest seemed a wee bit confused as to what we were sheepshaggin feni*n paedophiles seemed to be the message they were trying to get across.
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    Time for some serious actions from the SFA.
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    http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-book-the-sun-and-the-rangers-by-angela-haggerty-editor-of-downfall/
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    Why does wordpress tell you that your username is already registered?
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    Following on from Tina Turner and Seniors suggestions,

    Would it be a good idea to compose a letter that we could use to bombard UEFA and FIFA with, in relation to the situation with the newclub, highlighting the blatant rule breaking by the SFA/SPL/SFL to accommodate them and the fact that they think they are a continuation of oldclub. We could ask them to clarify what they believe the situation is with their claim to the history of oldclub.

    If we do get any response on the situation we could forward it on to the media, since none of them are going to ask any questions. .

    Thumbs up for yes
    Thumbs down for no.

    What do you think TSFM, time to apply a piece of pressure to our governing bodies out with these shores?
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    Palacio67 says:

    September 16, 2012 at 21:15(Edit)
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    Be happy to send anything to the authorities that asks relevant questions and has th ebacking of of posters
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    TSFM
    I think we need a step by step guide here how to register etc.
    I can put one together unless you have alternative plan?
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    TSFM says:
    September 16, 2012 at 17:27
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    Angus says:

    September 16, 2012 at 16:35(Edit)

    Magyar is the nationality, magyarul the language.

    Sorry, OT.

    P.S> Why do Partick Thistle get called the Maryhill Magyars? Just for alliterative efect?
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    The Maryhill Magyars was attributed to PT by the late and inimitable witer and sports journalist Malcolm Munro. Malky, a wonderful writer and devotee of Damon Runyon was a Jags fan. He ascribed the nickname ironically after the brilliant Hungarian side of 1954 that was cheated (also Malky’s words) out of the world cup.

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    TSFM…thank you for reviiving my childhood memories of my visits to Firhill (for Thrills!) in the late 50’s.

    It is hard to imagine that I was allowed to travel on a no.29 tram (!) from Sprinburn to Queens Cross…alone and unaccompanied at the age of 9/10.

    I have no doubt that today’s over-zealous social workers would have me taken into care for such wanton breaches of parental duty by my loving father and mother!

    …and big Malky…characters like him we need today…I am sure he was a real journalist, rather than a “churnalist” or “presstitute”….!

    [TSFM] I bet you came home with a dozen Johnson’s rolls 🙂

    [TSFM] Malky was a great pal in the ten or so years before his death. I used to smuggle whisky into the Southern general for him when he went in periodically for treatement for a chronic skin problem. Mad as a hatter, sharp as a tack and a heart as big as one of those trams you went to the match on. He is much missed.
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    Hi TSFM – just a quick one about the forum/blog debate

    The open blog format is very dynamic and flexible, so there’s always the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater if we ever decided to ditch it – as I’m sure you’re already aware

    But I think there’s a role for a forum as a supporting resource for the main blog. It could be used as a database for capturing lots of info that can then be easily referred to with links etc from the main blog

    I’m thinking mostly about “The List” that lots of posters were attempting to create. Do you remember that? Don’t know if it ever came into existence, but the idea was to compile a list of every broken rule, instance of corruption or MSM lie so we would have a touchstone reference source

    If that list was a forum, each instance on the list could be given its own forum topic and people could add to it. The list of topics would serve as an easy reference list for the whole issue – and individual instances could be viewed to see what the latest developments are

    The usual cut and thrust of open debate would feature on the blog as always, but it would be informed by the forum database

    Of course it doesn’t have to be a forum, maybe another format would do the job of a reference database better. Though I reckon a forum would work pretty well
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    douglas brown says:
    September 16, 2012 at 19:46

    “I pay 0% tax so if I come back to Scotland am I going to accept the same gross amount, of course not I want the same NET, ie after tax.”
    Of course not, but if you can get it (Scotland as you know does not have 0% tax rates officially) nice work, here is how. Say your ME salary was £100,000pa and you find an employer happy to pay you £40,000 pa (Take home pay £30,000) plus a loan of £70000 pa from an EBT. Got what you wanted, so did employer his books show he only paid you £40000 pa and the tax and NI all tickety boo.
    All figures as per the UK Tax calculator.
    “So will I actually gain anything, No! I will get the same amount of take home pay,”
    Nobody is really interested if you gain anything except you naturally.
    “but my employer will pay a lot more.”
    Yes if he gets caught by HMRC, and if he pleads insanity?, oops they may send you a tax bill!
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    61patrick says:

    September 16, 2012 at 20:46(Edit)
    TSFM or anyone else
    Being not the sharpest computer user will I still be able to read blog as usual under my present wordpress details ?
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    Yup – assuming that they are WordPress details – and not just an ID you created for this blog.
    If it says (just below the comments box on this page);

    61patrick: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account;

    then you are okay.

    Else

    If you can go to WordPress.com (or click on the wee WordPress logo below the comments box here) and login using those details, then you are fine.

    Else

    You need to use the link I provided to register at WordPress.

    Hope that helps.
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    Tina Turner says:

    September 16, 2012 at 21:33(Edit)

    Hi TSFM – just a quick one about the forum/blog debate
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    Thanks TT. Taken onboard
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    Lord Wobbly says:
    September 16, 2012 at 21:08

    http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-book-the-sun-and-the-rangers-by-angela-haggerty-editor-of-downfall/

    “A fortnight ago, Rangers fans celebrated a very hollow victory. The only group to lose out after the Scottish Sun’s decision to pull the serialisation of Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s new book, Downfall: How Rangers FC Self Destructed, is Rangers fans.”
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    By the lack of comments from any readers on this site it would appear there are very few WOW moments in the book. I take it that there is nothing new for any followers from RTC.
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    nowoldandgrumpy

    Would like to think Annan will bill The Rangers for any damage done by the visiting support.
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    bangordub says:

    September 16, 2012 at 21:27(Edit)

    TSFM
    I think we need a step by step guide here how to register etc.
    I can put one together unless you have alternative plan?
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    Appreciate that bangordub. If you put something together, I will add it to the FAQ page. Main problem might be that people don’t differentiate between WordPress on here (TSFM) and WordPress in general (where they need to register).

    Let me know
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    sorry, just testing. My gie’s a gonk name wouldn’t work under the wordpress login so back using my old RTC name
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    smallteaser

    Postted last night, that I hadn’t heard a single comment good or bad about Downfall.

    Questioned if it was really that unremarkable.
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    TSFM…thank you for reviving my childhood memories of my visits to Firhill (for Thrills!) in the late 50′s.

    It is hard to imagine that I was allowed to travel on a no.29 tram (!) from Sprinburn to Queens Cross…alone and unaccompanied at the age of 9/10.

    I have no doubt that today’s over-zealous social workers would have me taken into care for such wanton breaches of parental duty by my loving father and mother!

    …and big Malky…characters like him we need today…I am sure he was a real journalist, rather than a “churnalist” or “presstitute”….!

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    Once more woth feeling?
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    Agrajag on September 16, 2012 at 20:52
     
    It isn’t a transfer embargo, it’s an embargo on registering players.

    In any case, did Sevco not agree to this as part of their deal to cheat their way back into Scottish senior football.

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    Thanks for putting me right on the first point.

    As regards your second paragraph, my point is that sevco do not give a monkeys about what they have and have not agreed with anybody. They think they can create a new reality whenever they so desire.

    Two examples of previous form from them:

    1. “who are these people” after the AT returned their decision. This in spite of the fact that rfc (ia) voted for the new process a few months prior.

    2. [SFM Edit:] CG’s statement last week when he put the boot into [SFM Edit:] Doncaster, claiming he had reneged on an agreement on ebt’s. This in spite of the fact that [SFM Edit:] Doncaster was bending, breaking, forgetting and inventing rules to help them.

    Take it from me, these peepil don’t know the meaning of integrity. They still think deals are made in darkened rooms, sealed with knowing winks and crunching knuckles.
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    smallteaser says:
    September 16, 2012 at 21:36
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    Lord Wobbly says:
    September 16, 2012 at 21:08
    http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-book-
    the-sun-and-the-rangers-by-angela-haggerty-editor-of-downfall/
    “A fortnight ago, Rangers fans celebrated a very hollow victory.
    The only group to lose out after the Scottish Sun’s decision to pull
    the serialisation of Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s new book, Downfall:
    How Rangers FC Self Destructed, is Rangers fans.”
    ==============================================================
    By the lack of comments from any readers on this site it would
    appear there are very few WOW moments in the book. I take it
    that there is nothing new for any followers from RTC.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    I haven’t bought it (yet) but I’m not expecting anything that we don’t already know. That’s not to say that I think Phil has wasted his time. It’s a story that should be told and the more people that tell it the better. And Phil was, after all, one of the main commentators as the facts revealed themselves.

    It’s RTC’s version of events that I’m looking forward to. I’d also like to see it told from the Rangers side, although I won’t hold my breath.
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    mailroomtim says:

    September 16, 2012 at 21:38(Edit)
    sorry, just testing. My gie’s a gonk name wouldn’t work under the wordpress login so back using my old RTC name
    _______________________________________________________________

    Did you try it without the spaces and apostrophe?
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    douglas brown on September 16, 2012 at 19:46
     1 12 Rate This
    The Invisible Line says:
    September 16, 2012 at 19:30

    On what planet do you do business on?
    ———————————————————–

    I do business all around planet earth, I have never extended my reach further, perhaps you can tell me, from your expierence what opportunities are available in other galaxies.

    —————————————————————–

    ==================================================

    I believe some clubs are looking for an agent to make unknown bids from an unknown galaxy for G Hooper in january.

    It could be you.
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    Can I just confirm that I’m not willing to transfer over to any other site unless there is confirmation that I can transfer and lay claim to the history and post of this site and RTC !
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    Ps I want the names of any of those on the monitor panel should the decision go against me, I have the right to know.
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    test
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    Just to clear up the posts regarding external contacts.

    Jimmybones kindly researched the media contacts, and i have sent a list of all english clubs and various governing bodies to the monitor. I understand the time spent moderating and organising the blog is holding up the completion of the contacts. Kilgore trout kindly offered to collate the contacts of the scottish clubs, and while i believe this info has been passed on to the monitor, i am unable to confirm if this is so.

    Thank you.
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    Palacio67 says:
    September 16, 2012 at 15:42

    Senior says:
    September 16, 2012 at 19:06

    Yes a definitive letter covering all the issues would be a great benefit. Though I would be wary of everyone using the same template and bombarding UEFA – I think mass duplication means it would be taken less seriously

    I reckon everyone should write their own thoughts and email them individually – and it can be very brief. Introduce it by saying you’re aware there are a multitude of issues, then choose one or two which you feel strongly about

    For anyone whose stuck about what to write try revisiting the excellent stevensanph timeline blog post from August 26th – “The Rangers saga as it happened…”
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    Avatar did not change
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    Can I point out to those of you who can’t obtain the username they want at WordPress that you can still use your preferred username in the “public display name” option in the WordPress profile.

    So if your preferred name was “GlescaHeckler” but this was not available as a username on WP, you could choose another username, but in your WP profile, still tell WP to use “Glescaheckler” as your public display name, thus preserving your name and history and reputation and kudos 🙂
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    nowoldandgrumpy says:

    September 16, 2012 at 22:19(Edit)

    Avatar did not change
    _______________________________

    Sometimes takes up to a day.
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    Any one know if the SFA compliance officer or whatever name they go by, is for all the leagues in Scotland? Seems you never hear from them unless the fans complain, and is that because there hoping for no reaction so they can let it fly under the radar. Who appoints them as well and what knowledge are they expected to have etc?
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    rab says:

    September 16, 2012 at 22:17(Edit)

    Just to clear up the posts regarding external contacts.

    Jimmybones kindly researched the media contacts, and i have sent a list of all english clubs and various governing bodies to the monitor. I understand the time spent moderating and organising the blog is holding up the completion of the contacts. Kilgore trout kindly offered to collate the contacts of the scottish clubs, and while i believe this info has been passed on to the monitor, i am unable to confirm if this is so.
    _______________________________________________________________

    Rab

    Haven’t received anything about the Scottish clubs. Can you resend?

    PS: Thanks for the work with the English clubs
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    TSFM says:

    September 16, 2012 at 22:22

    Cheers for that tip. Public name changed but I’ll keep my wee photie, it’s followed me around the internet for years now
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    test
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    rab says:

    September 16, 2012 at 22:17(Edit)

    Just to add a bit about external contacts. The last item sent on 29th August was re Governing Bodies Contacts (from Rab originally). This does not appear on SFM yet, would you (TSFM) like me to resend ?

    [SFM] Got the governing bodies stuff Jimmy. Got caught in the cracks, but I’ll get that sorted this week. Nothing from KT I’m afraid.
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    CW @ 20:29

    I actually stopped buying The S*N a few weeks ago, and have never bought a DR for a good few years.

    In the last few weeks, I haven’t even tried any other Newspaper, and TBH, haven’t even missed them.

    Unfortunately today, probably out of sentiment, I bought The Sunday Post as a wee treat !

    My own fault, I know. Probably still expected it to be the same as it was in the ’70′s !

    Ah well ! Anyone one advise on what I should try next Sunday ?

    =======================================

    Andrex double quilted. Its the best.

    P.S

    If lordwobbly is still around, did you ever get a wee sweetner from balvennie for your shameless promotion, cos i dont want to get palmed off with bog roll.

    Or a puppy.
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    Jimmybones.

    Can you confirm if i have forwarded all the english teams info and a list of governing bodies to you.

    And also if kilgore trout sent you the scottish clubs info.

    Thanks.
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    The £5.5m sale price paid by Sevco 5088 for certain RFC assets inclued £2.75m for player sales
    If these player sales didn`t materialise the price was to be correspondingly reduced
    However
    We have to assume (surely) that when the deal was done D&P believed they would shortly be handing over to BDO
    So it beggars belief that the £2.75m was not actually paid upfront by Green .More likely a time limit was set (the transfer window just ended ?) and if the players had not been sold by the agreed date then Sevco 5088 were due a refund
    So
    Has that date passed and has Sevco 5088 now got £2.75m back from D&P?
    Or
    Has the intevention of Lord Hodge froze everything?
    For sure
    None of that money will go to Sevco Scotland It was never theirs in the first place as the deal to buy the assets only involved Sevco 5088
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    TSFM WOOOOHOOOO
    61patrick: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account;
    Thats what it is telling me.
    IM IN 🙂
    Thank you for this site ohh and all yous as well 🙂 🙂
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    Jimmy Bones (@JimmyBo90672977) says:
    September 16, 2012 at 20:20

    ————————————

    Rangers could be in administration for a very long time.

    BDO aren’t just going in to sell off the assets and wind up the business. They are carrying out an investigation into what happened and who was responsible for it. They may also be seeking to seize assets from those concerned.
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    alex thomson ‏@alextomo
    ‘Downfall’ ignored by Scottish MSM yet WHS Book of the Month http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A27ViXxCcAAlG-E.jpg:large …
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    Tina Turner says:

    September 16, 2012 at 14:39

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    Tina,

    Agreed.

    There are 2 Forces at work here.

    No 1 – The Great Cover Up has been in motion “Under The Radar” for a long time now.

    Unfortunately, we all live in B*g*ted Scotland !

    Administration for RFC PLC was announced on the 14th Feb this year. That was over 7 months ago !

    Since then, propaganda has been in overdrive.

    Interested Parties (we all know who they are) are determined that Scotland just cannot be without a rival to Celtic after the demise of the Old Tax Dodgers.

    IMHO, This has nothing to do with Footballing Rivalry ! It’s a case of trying to keep The Status Quo. The Old Firm is an “Institution” Don’tcha Know. Nothing can stand in it’s way ! ?

    Then there’s :

    No 2 – Vultures are circling below The Old Tax Dodgers Carcass !

    The SFA/ SPL and the rest of the “The Old Firm is an “Institution” Don’tcha Know. Nothing can stand in it’s way ! ?” tradionalists are beginning to Keech themselves over the involvement of Charles and his Invisible “Partners” (In Crime ?)

    Thus, we have the current stand off between “The Traditionalist’s” and “The Vulture’s”.

    “The Traditionalist’s” don’t wan’t to upset “The Vulture’s”, as they will just take the money and fly away.

    “The Vulture’s” don’t wan’t to upset “The Traditionalist’s “, as they will just take all their old, unfairly gained Titles away, leaving the Angry Bears swearing NOT to to spend another honest Penny on their beloved team !

    So that’s the stalemate. Charles and Swally are given free reign to spout their “Call to Arms”, knowing that “The Traditionalists” will not challenge them !

    I’m hopeful, however, that there will be :

    No 3 – Some honest, neutral, Law-Abiding, respected Member of the Establishment will come along and declare both “The Traditionalist’s” and “The Vulture’s” GUILTY OF DESTROYING SCOTTISH FOOTBALL !

    In short, until we break the Past S%ctarian&sm History, Scottish Football is F&cK%d !

    Someone had to say it !!!!!!!

    To all New Sevconian and Celtic Supporters : Get over it ! It’s 2012 now !

    TIME TO MOVE ON !!!!!!!
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    rab says:
    September 16, 2012 at 22:58

    I received football clubs & governing bodies from you but nothing (yet?) from Kilgore trout. Re my post short time ago, football clubs (& media contacts) are now on the SFM site in External Contacts.
    Thanks again.
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    Rocky sullivan says:
    September 16, 2012 at 21:39

    2

    0

    Rate This

    Agrajag on September 16, 2012 at 20:52

    It isn’t a transfer embargo, it’s an embargo on registering players.

    In any case, did Sevco not agree to this as part of their deal to cheat their way back into Scottish senior football.

    ———————————-

    Thanks for putting me right on the first point.

    As regards your second paragraph, my point is that sevco do not give a monkeys about what they have and have not agreed with anybody. They think they can create a new reality whenever they so desire.

    ===========================

    I would be surprised if the Court of Session over-turned an agreement such as the one involved.

    If they did I assume that the SFA would just remove their registration. Firstly they would have broken the agreement which got them the registration in the first place. Secondly they would have taken the football authority to Court, again.

    I just don’t see it happening.
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    test (apologies)
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    Goosy says:
    September 16, 2012 at 23:08
    0 0 Rate This
    The £5.5m sale price paid by Sevco 5088 for certain RFC assets inclued £2.75m for player sales
    If these player sales didn`t materialise the price was to be correspondingly reduced
    However
    We have to assume (surely) that when the deal was done D&P believed they would shortly be handing over to BDO
    So it beggars belief that the £2.75m was not actually paid upfront by Green .More likely a time limit was set (the transfer window just ended ?) and if the players had not been sold by the agreed date then Sevco 5088 were due a refund
    So
    Has that date passed and has Sevco 5088 now got £2.75m back from D&P?
    Or
    Has the intevention of Lord Hodge froze everything?
    For sure
    None of that money will go to Sevco Scotland It was never theirs in the first place as the deal to buy the assets only involved Sevco 5088

    ======
    Goosy

    Do you have links to any documents that prove the assets were sold to sevco 5088 and not sevco scotland?

    From what I remember an early document from the duffs was the only time sevco 5088 was mentioned in print.
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    Another test
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    A poster earlier on said that phils book didn’t really tell him anything that he didn’t know already.
    I have two brothers and at least six friends that do not do forums/blogs etc. and would read phils book and be totally amazed at the revelations contained in it.

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