Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?

ByElijah Baley

Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?

Charles Green has declared war on the Scottish football authorities. His statement and that of Duff and Phelps today deserve detailed analysis, which is ongoing at McConville Towers as we speak, and will be concluded as soon as Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and Peter Lawwell tell me what to write.

For now, I wanted to speculate if Mr Green had managed to forget the terms of the SFA Rules, under which Rangers FC was censured for his comments some time ago. Mr Green could well have forgotten, as the censure took place as long as eleven days ago.

The relevant rules are as follows:

Rule 1: All member clubs shall:
(a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play;
(b) be subject to and comply with the Articles and any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions and International Match Calendar promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel Protocol, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport;
(c) recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the FIFA Statutes and the UEFA Statutes;
(d) respect of the Laws of the Game;
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
(f) behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith.

Rule 2: Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players act in accordance with Rule 1.

Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute.

Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper.

Now let’s see where Mr Green might, through inadvertence, have sinned against those rules, accidentally of course. The following are extracted from his statement on the official Rangers FC website.

“Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.

“Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff. I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.

“Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission?  Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all?  No. They did absolutely nothing.

“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us – as the new owners – took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in either the SPL or Division One.

“We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.

“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith.

“I must make it clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter.

“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for two years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent.

“The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public.

“Nothing has changed as the judgement still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?

“Rangers was not the only club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions.

“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible.

“It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.

“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.

“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.”

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Have a read through these edited highlights once again…

The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening … the Commission is not independent of the SPL … They (the SPL) did absolutely nothing … the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga … a full blown inquisition … it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position … we believe the SPL have been hypocritical … There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible … It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions … Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.

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Mr Green has issued a lengthy statement, as can be seen from the fact that what is shown above is only an extract from it. It is on the official Rangers website, and is stated to be by “Rangers Football Club”.

If this is not a declaration of war on the SPL and by extension the footballing authorities in Scotland, I don’t know what is.

I spoke to a friend who compared some of Mr Green’s recent statements to what has become known as “dog whistle politics”. There is little of the dog-whistle about this – instead it is a clear rallying cry to the loyal support of Rangers, which will, I am sure ensure that the turnstiles keep clicking at Ibrox for some time yet.

As of a few minutes ago the respective posts regarding the statement on two of the main Rangers FC fan sites showed a total of 867 posts and over 26,000 views. Not bad for a statement issued two hours ago!

I also suspect that the reaction there will be 100% positive.

Deciding that they are refusing to play and denouncing the process before the first hearing takes place is an interesting tactic. Now, if the Commission proceeds, in the absence of both oldco Rangers and newco Rangers and delivers a damning judgement, it will be ignored, it appears, by Mr Green and his company. And, if action is taken, then they propose to invoke the aid of the courts to stop disciplinary action happening.

What strikes me is that, once again, Mr Green is playing a masterful hand. He is a king of diversion. When the transfer of the SFA membership took place Mr Green said:-

“There remains, however, an outstanding issue with the SPL regarding EBTs.  As we have proved in the last couple of months we will stand up to any challenges that face Rangers and will continue to fight for the Club’s best interests.”

What he has managed to do is to build the impression that the one penalty, above all others, which newco will not accept, being the most horrendous possible, is the stripping of titles. Not being barred for all time from, membership of the SPL; not being suspended for a longer period than the next three years; not the imposition of further financial penalties…

No, the one penalty to be fought against, above all others, is one which will cost newco not a penny, and will in fact generate more support from the fans.

As I said, it is brilliant!

He has challenged the football authorities to take action, as indeed he promised he would. So much gratitude for the three ruling bodies pledging to “facilitate” Rangers entry to SFL3!

And as far as his attack on some, but not all, SPL teams, one wonders why he felt constrained from telling us who they were. After all, Ibrox is the home of clarity, transparency and free speech!

However the extracts above indicate numerous ways in which the rules quoted at the top of this piece are broken. Will the SFA have the courage of its convictions to take action? Will the SFL take any steps itself?

Or has Mr Green stared them down, and, as long as the share flotation comes along in the near future, enraptured the fans into subscribing in their thousands?

As has been the case ever since RTC started, this piece could end with the line:- we have no idea what will happen next; we will have to wait and see!

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essexbeancounterPosted on6:06 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Jimmy Bones (@JimmyBo90672977) says:
September 17, 2012 at 16:58
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Essex beancounter says:
September 17, 2012 at 15:45

I only wish the MSM would engage a member of their respective business or city desks to make any related comments in this area…it would save a lot of embarrassment…but hey wait…no…!
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I can only agree with that, but as the Herald journalist (Graeme MacPherson) himself said in a reply to one of my emails (posted 19th August ish) –

“I won’t disagree that the mainstream media’s coverage of the Rangers saga has not been all it could be – and that others have shone a greater light on events at times – but I would argue that that is largely down to a lack of human resources or a paucity of knowledge of certain complex financial matters rather than any deliberate attempt to pursue a pro-Rangers agenda.”

ASTOUNDING

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JB…I think what these people are trying to do is to justify their lack of desire to pursue the story of the biggest sporting scandal ever to arise in the UK.

Such a line of “lack of human resources” or paucity of knowledge” is adopted in order to give them a cover story for not using their “journalistic/churnalistic” training to simply ask the correct questions of the appropriate persons.

This is where PMG and AT are so accurate in their contention that no one in Scottish MSM or their readership really wanted to know the truth, since “bad news”, particularly coming as truth and “from the other side” would affect circulation/readership/profits, not that there is much left of these in today’s new digital era.

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BrendaPosted on6:18 pm - Sep 17, 2012


justafan @ 18:05

🙂 lol 😉

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essexbeancounterPosted on6:21 pm - Sep 17, 2012


I have just finished reading “…Downfall…” by PMG, and without offering anything like a “lit.crit.” of the work, may I beg the indulgence of the blog with my own findings.

Firstly, I do not hold to all his ideas as put out by his blog, and of necessity, he draws largely on his blog articles, most of which, as published, give no indication of blatant sectarianism. I know he stands accused that some others are reputedly more strdent in this area.

Secondly, it added massively to my minimal knowledge of Scottish history, and particularly his recounting of the origins of the “Billy Boys”…and here was me thinking they were simply a form of youth club who used to take their annual summer holidays walking in the six counties of Ulster! (copywright acknowledged to Slimshady61!)…and all this in Scotland in the 1920s…?

Lastly, no matter what conclusion one wishes to draw from the book, he has, I believe, achieved his main objective of “putting the truth out into the open”. I do accept that as a supporter of CFC he may have his own agenda in certain areas, but as regards the initial headlines in the NOW in 2010, he has been proven totally accurate in all material aspects and vindicated accordingly.

However, this has only whetted my appetite for the RTC book…can’t wait!

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BrendaPosted on6:21 pm - Sep 17, 2012


justafan

I knew you were being sarcastic …….. When would a real sevco fan call them sevco? 🙂 😉 🙂 😉

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ulyanovaPosted on6:43 pm - Sep 17, 2012


easyJambo says:
September 17, 2012 at 16:48
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Hearts have just released a statement re the late payment of a few players wages

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20120917/players-wages-update_2241384_2921588

Of note is the last sentence:
We expect the mater to be resolved once we receive a guaranteed income expected in the very near future”

Methinks Vlad has just taken a rather strong swipe in the direction of the SPL

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….. and he does have a Nuclear submarine

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AngusPosted on6:46 pm - Sep 17, 2012


“Strawclutchery” should not only be Word of the Week – it should be used at every opportunity in everyday life in order for it to be popularised and get into the dictionary.

It’s an excellent word. I only wonder why it’s never been thought of before – which is, of course, the mark of a great invention.

Who said it first?

Origins of words are traditionally dated to their first appearance in print. Therefore, make sure its true origin is noted before Jabba uses it and claims he made it up! 🙂

Now, I’m off to dig out some old Marillion albums. What was that one called again…?
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Doon the slopePosted on6:57 pm - Sep 17, 2012


‘Strawclutchery’ was used here, in 2010.

http://community.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?125304-Times-and-Sunday-Times-websites-to-charge-from-June/page3&p=1349742

I used it on here a few days ago because it conveyed something more endemic than ‘clutching at straws.’

I still think that ‘bawbagerry’ takes some beating.

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AgrajagPosted on7:05 pm - Sep 17, 2012


timtim says:
September 17, 2012 at 17:37

Lord Hodge found that Ticketus did not, under Scots law, own future season ticket sales at Rangers as it had claimed.

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I think his findings were more to do with whether those rights survived administration / liquidation.

They had already bought and paid for the tickets. Lord Hodge allowed that contract to be breached, making it into a debt, rather than a pre-payments.

Ticketus seem not to have realised that their rights under Scot’s law were different to their rights in England.

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redlichtiePosted on7:06 pm - Sep 17, 2012


To go off at a slight (!) tangent why has no-one thought of the obvious way to sort out the “Steven Fletcher to play again for Scotland” issue?

All he has to do is sign for a certain Division Three club. They can obviously afford him. Simples!

/ Red Lichtie

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scottcPosted on7:12 pm - Sep 17, 2012


timtim says:
September 17, 2012 at 17:37


So ,the question is was it in the interests of the creditors to have an extra £26.7m of debt added to the creditors pile thus diluting the pence in the £ pay out to those creditors had a CVA been possible . …

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Actually, timtim, it would be in the creditors interest for Ticketus to become an ordinary creditor rather than a secured creditor as they thought they were. That would mean that £26.7m less would have to be dished out before the ordinary creditor started to get his or her few pence in the pound.

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Stifflers MomPosted on7:25 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Test

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Ian58Posted on7:26 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Jimmy Bones.

Just tried sending the list again. Let me know if it arrives.

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goosyPosted on7:34 pm - Sep 17, 2012


easyJambo says:
September 17, 2012 at 16:52

STV reporting that Ticketus are about to launch court proceedings against Whyte.
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/190615-ex-rangers-owner-craig-whyte-faces-court-date-with-ticketus-over-27m-deal/
I’m not sure how that fits in with the suggested Sevco 5088 to Sevco Scotland transfer of assets.
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EJ
It doesn`t fit if court proceedings actually happens
But will it actually happen?
Later on it says
“It is unclear whether Ticketus will launch the action in Scottish or English courts, while most of Mr Whyte’s business interests are linked to the British Virgin Islands-registered firm, Liberty Capital Ltd, including Rangers FC Group, the company he used to buy Sir David Murray’s 85% stake for £1.The civil action raised by the investment company is not likely to be heard until next year”
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Throughpout this saga it has been evident that when one of the Spivs make a public statement there is an ulterior motive usua;;y dissected on RTC within the day
This proposed court action meets an immediate need for Ticketus and Whyte to distance themselves from each other whil Lord Hodge and the Fraud Squad are sniffing around. I reckon it can be filed with the court actions by Whyte and D&P against the BBC and the SFA action against Whyte for non payment of fines

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Blindsummit63Posted on7:53 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Apologies for clogging up the board. I just want to test my posting since signing up to WordPress. i’ve had to select the name Blindsummit63 as blindsummit was already taken on WordPress.

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briggsbhoyPosted on7:53 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Doon the slope says:

September 17, 2012 at 13:42

I rarely ever logged onto Celtic supporter websites such as KDS for fear of seeing bile, I had a hear no evil see no evil sort of attitude to it and hoped in some way that Celtic Supporters were better and above all that nonesense. It was only a hope, I know, I know there is crap everywhere. I possibily have green tinted specs on or the links that have been on here lead us to the good stuff on KDS and the crap elsewhere but on the whole I agree with DTS on his assement where the bulk of the bile is. Anyone who makes any reference or goes off the party line is shot down and abused in the terms that you highlighted. It all reminds me of my teenage years working as an office junior back in the mid 70’s in Glasgow City centre where everyday I was referred to as the FB and this was often how I was addressed. The odd things was that it was two females and one in particular, a most unpleasant person. We used to finish at 12.30pm on a Saturday and every other week her mates would arrive in the front office so they could all head off to the game, I found them more tolerant, she was just pure evil. I don’t miss those days let me tell you.

What has kept me on this blog and RTC is the quality of postings and the tolerance that exists and the fact that we have fans of all clubs pulling together for a common cause, which is honesty, intergrity, fairness and consistancy in approach from Governing bodies. It will be interesting to see if we continue once the sorry Saga of the Rangers dies.

I have no wish to see Ranger die, I’m nuetral on that one but I would have liked to see them drop the stuff we all commonly hate. I think the opportunity was there to create a new club with a strong Scottish Identity and decent fans who are recognised for all the right reason, they do exist within that clubs current support, some are good mates. Alas it seems the lunatics have taken over the asylum and things are going in the opposite direction, are we partly to blame?

I can see the TD’s coming with that last question.

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Galling fiverPosted on7:59 pm - Sep 17, 2012


one day international

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carl31Posted on8:03 pm - Sep 17, 2012


The lexicon of descriptives for various MSM now includes…

Buffoonery
Whatabootery
Bawbaggery
:O)

I’ve also recently read …

Flimflammery
Strawclutchery
:O)))

…and I havent been able to get these into my comments but I would like to propose the future use of:

‘a jabba-ism’
‘Keevinesque’
‘Succulent-lambery’

…any further suggestions?

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Galling fiverPosted on8:04 pm - Sep 17, 2012


old grey whistle

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steveplustaxPosted on8:08 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Just heard SSB on Clyde. To no-one’s amazement the show’s host (didn’t recognise the voice) informed a caller that Mr. Green bought Rangers’ history, including titles and trophies, from Mr. Whyte. The caller was a bit wound up–and therefore not hard for the panel to dismiss–but although he followed up by making the obvious rational points, no-one would/could “handle the truth,” as it were. I know, just one more of example of the MSM’s blatant delinquency regarding the Sevco Matter. But still slightly shocking when you hear it done live on-air. When do DBO start getting involved again? Come on, chaps!

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steveplustaxPosted on8:19 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Oops, that should obviously have been “BDO.” Apologies!

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steveplustaxPosted on8:21 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Carl, how about “fat-tramp-of-a-bastardery”?

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FiferPosted on8:28 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Why is the above poster allowed to post on this blog when he was reported for doing miners and their families out of money?

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The Round BawPosted on8:28 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Carl31

Moonbeamish £

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StevieBCPosted on8:30 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Just managed to order ‘Downfall’ on Amazon.com, but delivery will not be until next month !
[FYI for any overseas posters.]

My real interest is of course the expected RTC book: does anyone have any idea/rumour about a publication date ? I was under the impression that October might be relevant, but I might have just dreamt that.

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arabest1Posted on8:30 pm - Sep 17, 2012


carl31 says:
September 17, 2012 at 20:03
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The lexicon of descriptives for various MSM now includes…

Buffoonery
Whatabootery
Bawbaggery
:O)

I’ve also recently read …

Flimflammery
Strawclutchery
:O)))

…and I havent been able to get these into my comments but I would like to propose the future use of:

‘a jabba-ism’
‘Keevinesque’
‘Succulent-lambery’

…any further suggestions?

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I have read the word ‘brownbroguery’ on this site, but cannot remember the context, anyone who can?

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timtimPosted on8:34 pm - Sep 17, 2012


scottc says:
at 19:12
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thanks for pointing that out , as always this site is an education to novices like myself

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Doon the slopePosted on8:35 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Carl

James Traynor – who has come up with some very descriptive terms for internet bampots (born, I think, from his humiliation by the bampots’ hours, weeks and months of fun with ‘succulent lamb.’)

He deserves a good, skelper of a tag.

He is a ‘borborygmus clatterfart.’

I like that phrase because, even if you dont know the words, you have a fair idea that it captures his essence succinctly.

I believe I said it first.

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scottyjimboPosted on8:38 pm - Sep 17, 2012


timtim says:
September 17, 2012 at 17:37

“ ….. Could the extra £26.7m of creditor debt been primarily responsible for a no vote to the CVA ? …….”

Perhaps this extra debt was to ENSURE the liquidation. Perhaps someone was worried that a CVA might have been accepted. HMRC was to have been the original “executioner” with the FTT being the axe, but they continually held off. The MBB, (remember him), was brought in to goad HMRC into action, and eventually, with D & P, got their way. Cue the “Master of Distraction”, Green, to introduce multiple layers of bureaucracy and shell companies between the old and the new.
I still think the oldco Rangers had to die for some yet unknown reason. If so, a CVA exit would have been mighty inconvenient to whoever wanted them officially deceased. If Goosy is right with his recent excellent hypothesis’s, then Octopus/Ticketus are now covered with floating/fixed charges in the recent “shell company” switcheroo’s. What do they care about creditors, law suits, etc. They’re allegedly covered.
Once again, I suggest that everything in the last few months is all smoke and mirrors, distracting away from the most salient point. Why did Rangers(nil), as they were prior to MBB, have to die? There were opportunities to save them, but all were discarded.

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Sally PointerPosted on8:59 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Are we also seeking definitions for these splendid neologisms.
For “Keevinesque” I propose
adjective. Wilfully ignorant pedantry, delivered (in musical terms) in “a dull monotonous tone such as in humming or a buzzing sound” Or should that be Falsetto, “a style of male singing where by partial use of the vocal chords the voice is able to reach the pitch of a female”. Sorry Brenda, that sounds sexist.
Anyway we need more music on this site – see http://www.classicalworks.com/html/glossary.html
Sally
Uber Gundog

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vinbhoyPosted on9:04 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Test post

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stmileyPosted on9:05 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Briggsbhoy

I gave your well worded and well intentioned post a TD. I feel your choosing of KDS and thus highlighting it as a area of bile and an equivalence to RM for instance is quite absurd.

The site has often had criticism for it’s heavy handed moderation of the board rules http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/boardrules/

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OldcobrokemyheartbycheatingPosted on9:24 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Just in from work after a long day to flick through today’s posts to find myself reading the Traynor piece. Shocking how a public figure can spout such garbage. He seems of the opinion that we on here are a disease, for which there is no cure. He I believe is the problem the MSM still bury there head in the sand over cold hard facts. The DR should be locked out of all Scottish grounds for the good of the game. As, for Mr Traynor retirement would be a good idea, accountability my friend will catch up with you.

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It’sagoal!Posted on9:50 pm - Sep 17, 2012


The Invisible Line says: September 17, 2012 at 16:45
Salmond told Sir David Frost, in an interview to be broadcast on Frost over the World on Al Jazeera English: ‘Obviously HMRC have got to pursue, in the public interest, taxation.

‘Equally, they’ve got to have cognisance of the fact that we’re talking about a huge institution, part of the fabric of the Scottish nation, as well as Scottish football, and everybody realises that.

‘The most die-hard Celtic supporter understands that Celtic can’t prosper unless Rangers are there.

‘The rest of the clubs understand that as well. Therefore you have to have cognisance of these things when you’re pursuing public policy. ‘We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2102102/Rangers-need-survive-Scottish-football-says-Alex-Salmond.html#ixzz26lIYwido
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The Scottish news led today with the First Minister being taken to court by the Scottish Information Commissioner over his refusal to reveal an foi over eu membership.

Could the Information Commissioner be approached over the FMs phonecall to HMRC to ‘go easy’ on Rangers that he refuses to respond to an foi over??

Scottish Information Commissioner,
Kinburn Castle,
Doubledykes Road,
St Andrews, Fife
KY16 9DS

Telephone: 01334 464610
Fax: 01334 464611
e-mail: enquiries@itspublicknowledge.info

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briggsbhoyPosted on9:59 pm - Sep 17, 2012


stmiley says:
September 17, 2012 at 21:05

I wholeheartedly accept your thumbs down and beg your forgiveness for casting dispersions on what is I’m sure is a fine site. KDS was the only CFC supporters site I knew existed and whilst I have not seen any bile (maybe that’s to strong a word) on there, I made the assumption it must exist. Of course I shall now check it from time to time and cast up to you should I find that it falls below the standards you say it has, lol.

I must at some point in the future post on this blog my recollections of an inteview I conducted with a young lady from Larkhall who had applied to me for a job back in Sept 89. A classic in blind blatant bogitvry. I tried twice to post it on RTC but it never got past the monitor.

BTW has the following website come up on the radar, one can judge from its logo that there must be some crackers on it. I have never had the nerve to sign, I’m sure it will be ugly in those forums.
The Vanguard Bears Defending our Traditions

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StarofdavidPosted on10:16 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Jimmy Bones (@JimmyBo90672977) says:
September 17, 2012 at 16:58
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Essex beancounter says:
September 17, 2012 at 15:45

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I can only agree with that, but as the Herald journalist (Graeme MacPherson) himself said in a reply to one of my emails (posted 19th August ish) –

“I won’t disagree that the mainstream media’s coverage of the Rangers saga has not been all it could be – and that others have shone a greater light on events at times – but I would argue that that is largely down to a lack of human resources or a paucity of knowledge of certain complex financial matters rather than any deliberate attempt to pursue a pro-Rangers agenda.”

ASTOUNDING

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Fine, well get to Hades out if there and give the job to some who can. PLENTY on here !

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It’sagoal!Posted on10:18 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Humble Pie says:September 17, 2012 at 15:36

. That the ordinary taxpayer continues to contribute to this farce through the provision of government grants[to the SFA] makes a mockery out of a sham.
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Spot on. Not only have we the taxpayer been shafted out of £100M+ by oldRangers – we are also funding, via the Scottish Government £10.4M every year, to the SFA! makes you weep

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AgrajagPosted on10:19 pm - Sep 17, 2012


scottyjimbo says:
September 17, 2012 at 20:38

“ ….. Could the extra £26.7m of creditor debt been primarily responsible for a no vote to the CVA ? …….”

Perhaps this extra debt was to ENSURE the liquidation. Perhaps someone was worried that a CVA might have been accepted.

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The CVA was never on, HMRC have made that entirely clear.

Rangers and the Administrators knew this. They stole about £14m from the tax man in under a year ffs.

This is why the “sale of assets” for a fixed sum was such a disgrace. The creditors were ripped off before the CVA vote even took place. The administrators stitched every creditor up in order to do what they could to keep Rangers afloat in one form or another. They went against their own duty to do it.

I do not see how anyone can argue that the sale to Green was the best deal available. Bearing in mind that, at that stage, keeping the business going should not even be a consideration.

Duff and Phelps acted against the best interests of the creditors from the moment they took over to the moment the “deal” was contrived. They did it knowing liquidation was inevitable.

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smallteaserPosted on10:36 pm - Sep 17, 2012


EJ, any idea who was NOT paid and why they were selected as the unlucky people, I doubt they were drawn out of a hat?

On a different matter anyone know what deal Sandaza & Kyle are on?
They haven’t started a few games now and with Little out against Annan, one or other should have been a shoe in. I understand they are not match fit but neither are the centre backs they have playing.
I take the majority of the salary is appearance fee and a small basic?.

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TimabhouyPosted on10:44 pm - Sep 17, 2012


new words

Zombie Denialist !

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Zax_VibexPosted on10:45 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Re the lexicon of descriptives: Bighoosery !

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iceman63Posted on10:53 pm - Sep 17, 2012


We have established the following for all the good it will do us as facts;

1. Duff and Phelps were operating to maintain Rangers as a going concern regardless of the costs to creditors ( Why and on whose instructions I suspect we will never know – my gut feeling is that their actions were deliberately orchestrated by those in our society who deem rangers a “necessary institution”)

2. The SFA broke its own rules by refusing to terminate RFC’s membership when they failed to trade out of administration and broke them again when they transferred their membership to another legal entity and broke them again when they conferred “conditional ” membership to SEVCO and broke them again when they held on to player registrations of free agents who refused to TUPE over to SEVCO ( why – to prevent Armageddon and Social Unrest – again concepts from political masters)

3. Rangers FC are dead and Rangers died with it – the transfer of a share and the notion of a “club” distinct from the legal body in which it is incorporated is a fiction – yet this fiction is the unchallenged official status of the club – why ?

4. There have been unprecedented and extraordinary delays in processes – the FTTT, the SPL investigation, Lord Hodge’s report on conflicts of interest over Duff and Phelps – which had they been brought to a conclusion timeously must have led to the demise of RFC before the switch over could have been facilitated – this is either extraordinary coincidence or a very wide scale cover up indeed – and one co-ordinated at the highest level.

Many on here speak in reverential terms about judges and the HMRC as having reputations and being neutral arbiters – I believed this at first but the string of coincidences involving such individuals throughout this process has caused me at first to doubt this and now to conclude that they are anything but what they claim to be.

For whatever reason the Scottish establishment has deemed a functioning Rangers to be an essential priority and whilst legal and financial processes cannot be abandoned nor materially distorted ( with I think the exception of the administration by D and P – it appears blatantly fraudulent trading whilst insolvent, failing to secure income streams, failing to cut expenses, failing to sell assets at maximum value to creditors, and contrary to their legal duties ) , they can be delayed to allow a new situation on the ground to be in place which they hope will prevent the judgements delivered leading to the demise of Rangers. This has cost and will cost the public purse hard cash, and lead to one of the greatest examples in Scottish legal history of justice delayed being justice denied.

This process of judicial obfuscation, malpractice, apparent incompetence and cover-up is a staple of the British state when it has to defend its key institutions – it is interesting that Rangers and its survival is seen as being of sufficient importance that the old standard tactics have been put into place for them.

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CWPosted on10:57 pm - Sep 17, 2012


bogsdollox says:
September 17, 2012 at 14:48

Tommy says:
September 17, 2012 at 14:24

In today’s Daily Rancid, Jabba bemoans the injustice of the treatment meted out to Rangers by the powers that be. He goes as far to suggest that the current Ibrox woes are partly due to Celtic’s failure to act as the SFA’s watchdog.

(quote) “These two would have scrutinised one another’s annual accounts so if anything had been amiss with Rangers’ practice why wouldn’t Celtic have brought it to light?”
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Does it not occur to James that it would be better if the SFA Auditor had been paying more attention to the accounts?

Traynor really is thick rather than devious.

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Traynor/ Jabba is a bit of an Enigma / Hypocrite (Delete as appropriate !).

He appears to have 3 heads – The Written Head, The Verbal Head and The Survival Head.

1. The Written Head – On his way to the day job at The DR (Private, struggling Company!), Jim will put on his written head. His, highly paid for, opinions are vital to the future sales of The DR. He has to reach out to the masses who buy his Company’s Rag. Therefore expect to see Pro-Sevconian “Words of Wisdom”. This is probably his main income, after all !

2. The Verbal Head – As we all know, Jim also has a regular spot on BBC Radio Scotland (Public, Taxpayer paid Company). Jim probably enjoys a good pay day from this as well. Unfortunately, Jim tries to play the neutral when on Radio, and many times you can just hear his frustrations. You just know he is getting wound up, but can’t let his true feelings out ! It’s great when guy’s like Stuart Cosgrove and Jim Spence stand up to him, Live ! He can never have a good argument with regards to Sevco, and always ends up changing the subject ! He can’t get away with verbal comments on Radio the same way he does with his Daily Rag. Someone will pull him up for it Live in front of the whole Country ! Can’t take the risk ! Might be exposed !

3. The Survival Head – Everybody needs to work, and Jim is probably on a good wage from points 1 & 2 above. Looks to me like he is a desperate old hack trying to keep the “Succulent Lamb” Gravy Train going for as long as he can !

IMHO, If I’m right, he’s not the only MSM Lickspittle in the same boat. It’s a case of Survival for these Weasels, as they see the writing on the wall soon. They’re just looking after their own Necks.

Scottish Football’s MSM Motto in 2012 seems to be “Stuff “The Truth” !”. It’s a time of Austerity, the poor MSM Hacks are in the same boat ! Job Security is more and more fragile.

Can just hear jabba’s voice this time next year when he say’s “Do you want Fries with you Lamb Burger Sir !”.

All joking apart, there might well be a Survival of the Fittest contest going on between the MSM, which all detracts from reporting the Honest Truth about what has been going on at Govan !

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smallteaserPosted on11:07 pm - Sep 17, 2012


The Iceman says:
September 17, 2012 at 22:53

Iceman you are becoming more and more paranoid.
Welcome to the club, I agree with you all the way, good post.

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chancer67Posted on11:08 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Bill Miller put a bid of about 11Million on the table the week before the CVA was voted down . Duff and Phelps rejected it and then said that they would sell to Green for half that amount,why oh why dont Celtic say something about this it stinks to high heaven and if Celtic had an inkling of what was going on like the bloggers on here it is a damn disgrace.

Is it because maybe Celtic are only owed about 40K , and its not worth rocking the boat , or did Celtic hope that the escape route offered by the SFA/SPL would be OK’d by the other teams in the SPL. Either way its weak leadership by Celtic and makes me feel ashamed that a club is allowed to get away with the biggest deception in Scottish football history and the club that I have followed for forty odd years stood by and let it happen.

Lets not beat about the bush here we (Celtic) are despised by the followers of Sevco , so much that the latest offering on the vile RM is that they fed and clothed us when we arrived in Glasgow after the famine . and this is how we repay them.

I think its about time that the power brokers at Celtic Park threw off the shackles and tell it how it is, tell the world that Celtic have lost out on millions in potential revenues by being denied Champions League participation so we can satisfy the ego of a megolamaniac,
tell the world that SPL teams sold their promising youngsters to Sevco so that the competition was diminished and so other teams with a bit of spare cash in the league could buy these players.Tell the world that they cheated the tax payer out of tens of millions to chase a dream that was never on, thank god they never won it for if they did we would have it rammed down our throats ad infinitum, and of course they would have won it so gloriously better than us.”John you are immortal”(Bill Shankly.)enough said.

Words are cheap and the many bloggers on here like myself feel comforted by letting off steam and having an online rant but is there nothing more that can be done to stop this farce and ensure that the correct outcome is achieved for the good of Scottish football can we not organise a magazine to be distibuted at all Scottish grounds or online lets give the SMSM a run for their money and get to the truth of this corrupt disgrace that is tarnishing the good name of our beautiful game.

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stmileyPosted on11:19 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Briggsbhoy

The Vanguard Bears aka Craig Whyte Fanbhoys, they were still with him a week into administration, too ashamed to admit, that the man who had given them an audience at the big table, and in so gave them credence amongst the many, many Rangers fan groups, was a Shyster.

They came on the mainstream radar this time last year.

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JustafanPosted on11:23 pm - Sep 17, 2012


@ Brenda, I am a rangers fan, just not a dilusional one and don’t mind being called a sevco fan, because that’s what the new Rangers started out as, I don’t have a problem with that. If you wish you can probably find some other posts I’ve written but hey you will have better things to be doing, so never mind, and honestly we don’t all have bleeding knuckles lol

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on11:25 pm - Sep 17, 2012


i’ve TUPED over as per TSFM’s instructions…

See if a big (or even wee) English or European blog comes in for me?…Will i just be able to “walk

away”?

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on11:42 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Shirley what the MSM,SFA and SFL are suffering can accurately be described

as “Bighooseitis”?…

…Ah’ll get ma jaiket…again!

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carl31Posted on11:44 pm - Sep 17, 2012


I am of the extinctionist camp re Rangers new/same club. However, that remains opinion in the absence of a legal definitive test.
To obtain a definitive legal test would require a creditor of last season’s Rangers to pursue this season’s Rangers for money owed. This season’s Rangers would refuse and the matter would go to court. The court would decide. Or, similarly, a shareholder from last season staking claim to a share of this seasons club.

An individual or entity could buy the creditor debt/share and pursue this action, I suppose.
Possibly it would be such a trivial amount as to be conceded by this seasons Rangers, but were it a significant sum, it would be worth this seasons Rangers challenging it.
Since it would need to be such a significant sum, I think this event would be unlikely to happen.

I mean, personally I would like to have this legal test scenario come about, but not to the extent that I would part with serious dosh.

Wheres a no win no fee lawyer when you need one??

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steveplustaxPosted on11:47 pm - Sep 17, 2012


Iceman, it’s just too bad we’re not allowed to vote two Thumbs Up. Very strong indeed!

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NowoldandgrumpyPosted on11:51 pm - Sep 17, 2012


The iceman

You forgot to mention the collusion between the SFA and D&P in delaying any investigation into the dual contracts. A delay of 3 months for providing information to the SFA, was blond any acceptable delay.

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BrendaPosted on11:52 pm - Sep 17, 2012


justafan

I am well aware that every team has a bad element to their support, nothing personal, but chuckie and ally have not helped matters with the sevco supporters who might have injured hand bones but hey I’m glad you’re one of the good guys 🙂

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midcalderanPosted on12:01 am - Sep 18, 2012


It’sagoal! says:
September 17, 2012 at 21:50

The Invisible Line says: September 17, 2012 at 16:45

Salmond told Sir David Frost, in an interview ………..

‘Equally, they’ve got to have cognisance of the fact that we’re talking about a huge institution, part of the fabric of the Scottish nation”
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I’ve been lurking for a while but thank you for reminding me of this outrageous statement. How can he class RFC as being “part of the fabric of the Scottish nation”. I’m not being political here but when the canvassers next start knocking on my door, I’ll be asking if it is not the case that the true fabric of the Scottish nation are the ordinary people and businesses of Scotland who pay the correct amount of tax and NIC at the correct time.

How could Salmon’s advisers’ allow him make such a gaff when HMRC’s Taxpayers Charter says:

“We need you to be honest with us. If someone else acts for you, we expect them to be honest too.

We expect you to:
• be truthful, open and act within the law
• give us accurate information
• give us all the relevant facts
• tell us as soon as you can if you think you have made a mistake.”

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charter/#10

This ill advised statement will come back to haunt him! After this, how can you trust him to gather the correct amount of tax at the correct time under independence? Remember what he said.

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john clarkePosted on12:04 am - Sep 18, 2012


CW says:
September 17, 2012 at 22:57
‘…Looks to me like he is a desperate old hack trying to keep the “Succulent Lamb” Gravy Train going for as long as he can ! ..’
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Gravy train? Surely minty sauce! 🙂

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CortesPosted on12:19 am - Sep 18, 2012


Succulambent is my neologism for Jabbatastic pieces…

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CWPosted on12:36 am - Sep 18, 2012


Brenda says:
September 17, 2012 at 23:52

justafan

I am well aware that every team has a bad element to their support, nothing personal, but chuckie and ally have not helped matters with the sevco supporters who might have injured hand bones but hey I’m glad you’re one of the good guys

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The hatred between the “Green” half and the “Blue” half of Glasgow has alway’s intrigued me.

I’m going to be a bit controversial here and suggest that neither half actually has “Supporters”, but rather “Sheep”, depending on what side of the Field you were born !

That’s why you have 50,000 “Green” sheep one week, and then 50,000 “Blue” sheep the week after.

The trouble is, even although the Sheep hate each other, they can’t live without each other, as they were all born in the same Field !

Even worse, that field WASN’T on that Island across from Stranraer !

This country (Scotland) needs a good clean out of the sectarian*sm from both “Green” and “Blue” sides. Only then will we progress into the 21st Century.

Sorry that this isn’t going to go down well with the majority of posters here, but it’s true !

On the upside, lots of Succulent Lamb is provided all around !

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bella ciaoPosted on12:51 am - Sep 18, 2012


Testing bella ciao

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john clarkePosted on12:54 am - Sep 18, 2012


midcalderan says:
September 18, 2012 at 00:01
‘..How could Salmon’s advisers’ allow him make such a gaff when HMRC’s Taxpayers Charter says:..’
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I suspect that Alex never even thought of asking for ‘advice’ on the question!

I don’t think for a minute that he is any kind of pro-Rangers secret conspirator, in league with Ogilvie, Green, CW, or the apron-wearing fraternity.

I am prepared to believe that,like most of us, he grew up in a cultural environment in which Rangers was, like it or not, as much a fact of life as Sunday school, the ‘meenister’, the BB, ‘Francis Gay’ and ‘The Broons’ and Rabbie Burns.

Not that he, from Angus (?), necessarily bought in to any or all of that, any more than a Dublin jackeen buys into the ‘Deirdre of the Seven Sorrows’ kind of folklorish Irish mind-set.

Just that his Sunday Post kind of upbringing and background would have conditioned him to believe that ‘Rangers’ were a really, really significant part of Scottish culture.

And his automatic instinct as a child of his generation ( and remember, there is not one poster on this blog who last year was any different) was one of total disbelief that such a fixed element in the firmament could implode!

And his political instinct saw a self-promoting opportunity of greater appeal than , say, the saving of an ordinary small-to-medium sized business might have done.

Great must have been his surprise to discover that not only could that club implode, but that tens of thousands of what he might have thought of as sympathisers did not share his view that extraordinary intervention on behalf of the tax-dodgers was at all justified or justifiable.

He got that badly wrong, and has compounded the wrongdoing by his idiotic use of the ‘exceptions’ clauses in the FOI Act to prevent us all finding out exactly what his intervention with HMRC consisted of.

We really ought not let him away with that, which to my mind is a much worse affront to the democratic process than his attempt to intervene on behalf of the tax-dodgers.

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StevieBCPosted on1:01 am - Sep 18, 2012


Not going to steal Stunney’s thunder wrt to the papers – but McCoist seems to have been advised that it was Annan’s artificial surface which ’caused’ Templeton’s injury.

Annan disagree, but McCoist magnanimously declines to start a witch-h*nt by stating;
“I’m not going to start an anti-plastic pitch campaign…” before explaining his objections – but “that’s the way it is” in SFL3 with 4 such pitch surfaces.

But it’s a rare win/win for McCoist:

– he now has a readily available excuse for not winning some of the Sevco away games
&
– he and Green can use these unacceptable surfaces as another justification ‘to demand’ League reconstruction! 😉

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StevieBCPosted on1:05 am - Sep 18, 2012


Reposted due to ‘th*nder’.

Not going to steal Stunney’s th*nder wrt to the papers – but McCoist seems to have been advised that it was Annan’s artificial surface which ’caused’ Templeton’s injury.

Annan disagree, but McCoist magnanimously declines to start a witch-h*nt by stating; “I’m not going to start an anti-plastic pitch campaign…” before explaining his objections – but “that’s the way it is” in SFL3 with 4 such pitch surfaces.

But it’s a rare win/win for McCoist:

– he now has a readily available excuse for not winning some of the Sevco away games
&
– he and Green can use these unacceptable surfaces as another justification ‘to demand’ League reconstruction! 😉

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Ordinary FanPosted on1:07 am - Sep 18, 2012


CW: Completely unfair comment, disproved on here daily.

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murdzinhoPosted on1:38 am - Sep 18, 2012


Sorry guys, first post but I feel I need to point out a long term view. Ok yes I agree first of all we need to ensure the rules are enforced, SFA/SPL need reforming with greater transparency.

However, I do feel we need something similar to the truth and reconciliation commission in SA. This will only be possible when certain facts are accepted by The Rangers. I believe all fair minded fans of other clubs in Scotland would welcome a reformed, more humble rangers, if only they accepted their behaviour in the past (oldco) and tried to be a positive force in sport.

Maybe I am looking 6 to 12 months ahead. And this would require a major change of attitude from Charles Green and Ally McCoist.

Please note that I want a strong scottish top league with as many young talented Scottish players as possible. I don’t want to go back to Old Firm dominance.

We are all football fans and want to see great football played in this country by as many clubs as possible.

Truth, ability, skills, effort and passion-that is what I believe in.

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BrendaPosted on1:46 am - Sep 18, 2012


CW

B0ll0CKS 🙂 have a nice day now 🙂

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stunneyPosted on3:16 am - Sep 18, 2012


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/annan-pitch-caused-injury-to-david-templeton-say-rangers-1-2532292

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stunneyPosted on3:16 am - Sep 18, 2012


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/ramsdens-cup-queen-of-the-south-clash-massive-for-rangers-says-ally-mccoist-1-2532302

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stunneyPosted on3:18 am - Sep 18, 2012


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/hearts-players-still-unpaid-as-salary-delays-resurface-1-2532314

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stunneyPosted on3:20 am - Sep 18, 2012


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-lay-blame-for-injury-on-pitch.18906735

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Ordinary FanPosted on3:31 am - Sep 18, 2012


Rangers Tribute Act making friends along the way, but not with Annan.

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stunneyPosted on3:34 am - Sep 18, 2012


So Sevco thinks the pitch was to blame for Templeton’s injury?

Is that why their fans burned the pitch?

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pigeononthegatePosted on5:12 am - Sep 18, 2012


test

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troubledfanPosted on5:33 am - Sep 18, 2012


@ carl31.
masonry ??

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troubledfanPosted on6:13 am - Sep 18, 2012


carl31 23.44
surely what you speak of has already happened.
have the sfa/spl not withheld moneys due to newco to pay the footballing depts of oldco ??

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ExiledCeltPosted on6:31 am - Sep 18, 2012


Testing – I have gone back to my RTC nom de plum since wordpress did not like the invisible line so I lost patience. I have now got rid of the toxic assests of any rubbish posted but have maintained the typos and spelling going forward. A share issue is now in the pipeline

P.S Where is my St Ettienne bike nowadays?

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john turkletonPosted on6:58 am - Sep 18, 2012


Testing testing, 123

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mcsheffrysbridgePosted on7:18 am - Sep 18, 2012


test

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