Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?

ByElijah Baley

Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?

Charles Green has declared war on the Scottish football authorities. His statement and that of Duff and Phelps today deserve detailed analysis, which is ongoing at McConville Towers as we speak, and will be concluded as soon as Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and Peter Lawwell tell me what to write.

For now, I wanted to speculate if Mr Green had managed to forget the terms of the SFA Rules, under which Rangers FC was censured for his comments some time ago. Mr Green could well have forgotten, as the censure took place as long as eleven days ago.

The relevant rules are as follows:

Rule 1: All member clubs shall:
(a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play;
(b) be subject to and comply with the Articles and any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions and International Match Calendar promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel Protocol, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport;
(c) recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the FIFA Statutes and the UEFA Statutes;
(d) respect of the Laws of the Game;
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
(f) behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith.

Rule 2: Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players act in accordance with Rule 1.

Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute.

Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper.

Now let’s see where Mr Green might, through inadvertence, have sinned against those rules, accidentally of course. The following are extracted from his statement on the official Rangers FC website.

“Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.

“Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff. I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.

“Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission?  Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all?  No. They did absolutely nothing.

“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us – as the new owners – took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in either the SPL or Division One.

“We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.

“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith.

“I must make it clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter.

“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for two years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent.

“The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public.

“Nothing has changed as the judgement still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?

“Rangers was not the only club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions.

“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible.

“It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.

“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.

“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.”

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Have a read through these edited highlights once again…

The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening … the Commission is not independent of the SPL … They (the SPL) did absolutely nothing … the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga … a full blown inquisition … it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position … we believe the SPL have been hypocritical … There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible … It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions … Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.

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Mr Green has issued a lengthy statement, as can be seen from the fact that what is shown above is only an extract from it. It is on the official Rangers website, and is stated to be by “Rangers Football Club”.

If this is not a declaration of war on the SPL and by extension the footballing authorities in Scotland, I don’t know what is.

I spoke to a friend who compared some of Mr Green’s recent statements to what has become known as “dog whistle politics”. There is little of the dog-whistle about this – instead it is a clear rallying cry to the loyal support of Rangers, which will, I am sure ensure that the turnstiles keep clicking at Ibrox for some time yet.

As of a few minutes ago the respective posts regarding the statement on two of the main Rangers FC fan sites showed a total of 867 posts and over 26,000 views. Not bad for a statement issued two hours ago!

I also suspect that the reaction there will be 100% positive.

Deciding that they are refusing to play and denouncing the process before the first hearing takes place is an interesting tactic. Now, if the Commission proceeds, in the absence of both oldco Rangers and newco Rangers and delivers a damning judgement, it will be ignored, it appears, by Mr Green and his company. And, if action is taken, then they propose to invoke the aid of the courts to stop disciplinary action happening.

What strikes me is that, once again, Mr Green is playing a masterful hand. He is a king of diversion. When the transfer of the SFA membership took place Mr Green said:-

“There remains, however, an outstanding issue with the SPL regarding EBTs.  As we have proved in the last couple of months we will stand up to any challenges that face Rangers and will continue to fight for the Club’s best interests.”

What he has managed to do is to build the impression that the one penalty, above all others, which newco will not accept, being the most horrendous possible, is the stripping of titles. Not being barred for all time from, membership of the SPL; not being suspended for a longer period than the next three years; not the imposition of further financial penalties…

No, the one penalty to be fought against, above all others, is one which will cost newco not a penny, and will in fact generate more support from the fans.

As I said, it is brilliant!

He has challenged the football authorities to take action, as indeed he promised he would. So much gratitude for the three ruling bodies pledging to “facilitate” Rangers entry to SFL3!

And as far as his attack on some, but not all, SPL teams, one wonders why he felt constrained from telling us who they were. After all, Ibrox is the home of clarity, transparency and free speech!

However the extracts above indicate numerous ways in which the rules quoted at the top of this piece are broken. Will the SFA have the courage of its convictions to take action? Will the SFL take any steps itself?

Or has Mr Green stared them down, and, as long as the share flotation comes along in the near future, enraptured the fans into subscribing in their thousands?

As has been the case ever since RTC started, this piece could end with the line:- we have no idea what will happen next; we will have to wait and see!

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Danish PastryPosted on8:18 pm - Sep 18, 2012


spanishcelt says:
September 18, 2012 at 17:42
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TSFM says:

September 18, 2012 at 15:14

Spanishcelt
The post was not removed because of its sentiment, much of which I agree with. It was removed because the language was severe and capable of being deliberately misconstrued.
Feel free to re post with appropriate editing.
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The post was along the lines that we have all witnessed plenty of big0try from Celtic fans …
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Fascinating post spanishcelt. I have often wondered if an indirect result of the Troubles was a gradual shift on the blue side of Glasgow towards being a tangible symbol of the Union. I know there’s a section of travelling support to home games. It’s probably not beyond the bounds of possibilty that they brought their Union flags with them, among other paraphernalia. Anyone who’s vocal enough and suitably intimidating can easily start a trend. As someone on another forum asked: “What sort of choob waves a Union Jack at a Scottish football game.” Quite. These days there appears to some kind of union flag cult.

That said, there was a wee group of what I suppose were home-grown choobs in the main enclosure at Ibrox in the ’60s. Equipped with a King Billy banner they seemed to end every song with a very loud ftp. I remember looking over. Most appeared drunk and paid no attention whatsoever to the game. When I was old enough to know what they were on about it sort of marked the start of my own fallng out of love with the boys in blue.

I am aware that there have been issues on the cther side of Glasgow. But to be fair, my impression is that these involve an actual small minority who are shouted down by a large, sensible majority. That’s one big difference between these two sides in Glasgow. When the sentiments of the blue minority were more or less reflected in the candid views of the club leadership for decades, there was not really a genuine chance for change. This past year actually was the chance. It seems to have been lost.

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TheOncomingStormPosted on8:20 pm - Sep 18, 2012


😀

Excellent, my Lord Wobbly!
You don’t go by the handle Tinsoldier in another life do you?

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Lamp Post SanniesPosted on8:32 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Right here’s the rule from the SFL site

7.3 Goalkeepers shall wear colours which distinguish them from the other
players and from the referee.

How does tonight’s strip comply with that rule? That appears to be their third choice keeper top but surely that’s for use with one of the away strips. Who sanctions the use of a top that doesn’t seem to meet the rules, the referee?

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smallteaserPosted on8:41 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Gordon Dalziel on SSB, “Alex Rae just wanted to play for Rangers, he wisnay interested in the details, that was his agent”. Aye right Gordon.
Alex Rangers want you to sign for 10k a week is that ok?
Naw its no.
Alex Rangers want you to sign for 10k a week plus 8k appearance money is that ok?
Is the 8k taxed?
No, its done through a thing called an EBT, is that ok?
Who cares I just want to play for Rangers, rather than Sunderland at 14k a week.

Is that how it went Gordon?

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SouthernExilePosted on8:42 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Slightly off-topic, but I offer the following as an example of how elites close ranks in times of crisis.

Peter Cummings, notorious HBOS banker, has just been fined £500k and banned from the financial services industry for life by the FSA. Whoopee, will say almost all on here, the bankster b*stard has got what was coming for him.

But there is more to it than that.

Cummings has protested that he has been unfairly singled out and that the FSA has ignored the role of top management in the banks downfall. He is correct.

Before going on, I declare an interest. My path crossed with Peter’s in the late 90s. My employer at the time and the bank were involved in some business together. I got to know him in a number of meetings and over a couple of dinners. I refer to him by his first name because that is what I called him at the time. I have not spoken to him since and have no axe to grind for him.

Although obviously very ambitious, he seemed a down to earth bloke and very grounded. From talking to others, his back story was of humble beginnings starting as a message boy in a branch in Glasgow and working his way up the organisation. Although it should not matter but does in Scotland, his family background is from the other side of the religious tracks from the establishment.

Who are the other dramatis personae in the HBOS saga?

Well there is Sir Peter Burt (private Scottish schools and St Andrews), CEO from 96 – 01 and Governor during 01 – 03).

Then there is Sir James Crosby (private Yorkshire schools and Oxford), CEO from 01 – 06 before handing over to the gormless but ambitious Andy Crosby (maybe the Craigie boy useful idiot character in this story) who was left holding the baby when things imploded in 08.

James Crosby was of course also a non-exec of the FSA from 04 – 07 and deputy chairman of that organisation from 07 – 09. Deputy chair of the organisation charged by Labour with overseeing proper conduct of banking in the UK.

Last but not least there is Lord Stevenson (private Scottish schools and Cambridge) who was the chairman of the Bank throughout the whole period from 99 until it went tits up in 08.

None of Sir Peter, Sir James or Lord S have been censured or sanctioned in any way by the FSA or any other regulatory agency for their role in one of the greatest financial debacles in history.

Not to forget Paul Moore (Ampleforth College), head of regulatory risk in the bank 02 – 04. He went to James Crosby in 2004 with concerns about excessive risk-taking in the bank in its drive for growth. Getting a palm-off, he then went to the FSA to repeat his concerns. James Crosby fired him. In 2009, Moore gave testimony to the Treasury Select Committee relating his tale and Crosby was forced to resign from the FSA.

It is not easy to feel sorry for someone who has retired in his early fifties with an income of £350k pa, but I do have sympathy that Cummings feels he has been set up as the fall guy and has been royally shafted by the powers that be.

By all accounts, he sits brooding in his relatively modest house in Dumbarton, an outcast. The others, of course, carry on with their non-exec directorships and their charitable foundations.

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Danish PastryPosted on8:48 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Pretty interesting interview with Green on BBC Alba.

‘I bought those titles. The players won them on the pitch.’

The mind boggles.

At the end he said something that surprised me. He admitted that the reputation of Rangers wasn’t always good in the past (he actually knows that?). He also mentioned wanting to make a break with the past. I wonder if he was talking about what I thought he was talking about?

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CWPosted on8:50 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Unbelievable Interview with CG tonight at half time on The Ramsden’s Cup Game (just given live). He is one angry old yorkshire pudding !

After his SFA Charge earlier today, Mr Reagan, surely now you can take some real action against this clown and his co-horts. He’s just been caught on Live TV. I just got the impression CG thinks he can steamroll his way through Scottish Football like the little arrogant man he appears to be.

He was pretty condencensing to Scotland as well, quote (as accurately as possible !)

” I was at the meeting in Geneva last week. All the delegates couldn’t believe what we are going through !. Only in Scotland could this happen !”

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veritePosted on8:52 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Charles Green just called the whole of Scotland STUPID on BBC Alba.

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CWPosted on8:52 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Danish Pastry says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:48
Pretty interesting interview with Green on BBC Alba.

‘I bought those titles. The players won them on the pitch.’

The mind boggles.

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thanks DP, I forgot those bits !

p.s. QOS have just scored !

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Lord WobblyPosted on8:53 pm - Sep 18, 2012


TheOncomingStorm says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:20
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Excellent, my Lord Wobbly!
You don’t go by the handle Tinsoldier in another life do you?
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Nope. I’ve been called a comedic genius from time to time 😀 but otherwise just plain old Lord Wobbly.

PS Isn’t BBC Alba great? 😀

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on8:53 pm - Sep 18, 2012


smallteaser says:

Night Terror says:
September 18, 2012 at 13:18
@miki67
What is wrong with you? That article you posted is utter nonsense.
Was that an apology and retraction? It doesn’t sound like one.
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NT, have you heard of cyber bullying, that is what you are doing here, you made your point, you weren’t happy, no need for 3 posts in a couple of minutes.

Miki, I thought it was funny and seen it as wind up on first reading, if others didn’t, oh well.
You never posted a link which to me was the giveaway, whether you meant it or not.
Keep posting, theres enough moderation going on around here without others starting.

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I have to defend NT on this one. Miki67 was guilty of not fully checking the validity or the facts contained in the article he posted, the kind of behaviour everyone on this website chides the MSM for.

Rather than admitting his mistake he had a pointless dig at t’Rangers fans and was, I think rightfully, pulled up on all of this by NT. In a dignified way Mika67 eventually admitted his mistake. Posting 3 times in a couple of minutes is an example in persistence and that is something we all need on this website if we ever hope to get to the truth of things. I think it should be applauded rather than called cyber bullying.

I hope both Mika67 and Night Terror continue to post as often as they do.

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Doon the slopePosted on8:59 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Danish Pastry

“He (Green) also mentioned wanting to make a break with the past.”

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I hope that statement from him is well publicised.

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BigrabbitPosted on9:01 pm - Sep 18, 2012


john clarke says:
September 18, 2012 at 15:14

JC, you are welcome, do you think anyone in the msm will have bothered to “be prepared”?

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smallteaserPosted on9:04 pm - Sep 18, 2012


incredibleadamspark says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:53

Its a blog, for gods sake, its not all about facts, its mainly about opinions.
Draw yir neck in.

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Danish PastryPosted on9:09 pm - Sep 18, 2012


CW says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:52

thanks DP, I forgot those bits !

p.s. QOS have just scored !
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The 200 delegates in Geneva apparently referred to ‘only in stupid Scotland’ :). Oh well, we’ve been called worse 🙂

QOS are very impressive, certainly the better team for 45 mins. Neat football and very positive. If only Mr Levein could indstil this optimistic play in the national team. Great little dribbler up front too. A real throwback to the past.

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iamacantPosted on9:11 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Some quotes from a certain forum

“This whole no pre season thing is done.. there is simply no excuse.. and now i am of the opinion that the buck simply MUST stop with Ally.. he clearly cannot get the players fired up!!

(Never thought i would say anything bad about Super Ally.. but he is an inexperienced manager, who learned from Walter ‘Long Ball’ Smith! And that is not killing us slowly)”

“Ally still hasn’t moved a muscle. Clueless”

“Craig Levein is the first manager I’ve known to play with no strikers and now Ally’s trumped him lining up a team with no Defenders!!”

“it is in no way the ref’s fault we are losing. we are playing at home to a supposably far inferior team, and we are unable to create a single chance against them. this is simply down to terrible, terrible man management. no proper training, no ball control, no tactics – this is a managers realm, and he is failing miserably. Ally please, please open your eyes”

“Tactically inept = McCoist”

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youtawknabootPosted on9:15 pm - Sep 18, 2012


QOS holding more than their own..now 1-1 @ 70 mins Kyle sent off …
Penalty for sevco…..well who would have thot it…!!

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StevieBCPosted on9:15 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Another unfair advantage ?

If QoS takes Sevco into extra-time, [I’m assuming that would be the case rather than a replay ?], then one would expect that a team of full-time professionals should be much fitter – and be able to run rings around a team of part-timers – and who have to be up early in the morning to do their ‘proper’ jobs.

Sevco have an unfair advantage in SFL3…so if they do win the League will it be ‘tainted’ ? 🙄

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essexbeancounterPosted on9:21 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Lord Wobbly says:
September 18, 2012 at 19:55
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Eastern ex-pat says:
September 18, 2012 at 19:00
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Even wih the range of information coming out today I am fairly confident that our papers will focus on the headline figure of a £7m loss at Celtic.
The diligent (no laughing at the back) hack may see the statement from the chairman of ‘debt free’ The Rangers highlighting the need to put any funds raised to paying off debt as warranting further investigation?
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While Celtic continue to struggle on all fronts, not least financially, Rangers are about to embark on a share issue which is set to send the Govan Giants over the top.
Celtic fans have joked about a succession of Rangers chairmen ranting uncontrollably as all around them fails but, all the while, Charles Green has been plotting a Rangers revolution from his Ibrox bunker.
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain recently wrote a much maligned book charting the downfall of Rangers, the release of which now seems extraordinarily premature. Perhaps he should consider writing a sequal, perhaps entitled The Upsurge – How Rangers Single-Handedly Saved Scottish Football.
By Keith ‘Sports Journalist of the Year’ Jackson Oct 2012

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LW…had this post not come from your known and trusted hand, I would have called your integrity into account and some…!

Would you please be good enough to post a link to this drivel…I am tempted to write to this clown!

Thank you in anticipation..

EB

Ps thanks also to Eatern ex-pat for the original “heads-up” post!

PPs I have already posted that I found “Downfall” a reasonable read, but short on original disclosure. I did however emphasise that all of his material or significant “revelations” have been shown to be accurate. So what is not to like by Jackson and his cronies…the truth?

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CWPosted on9:30 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Danish Pastry says:
September 18, 2012 at 21:09

CW says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:52

thanks DP, I forgot those bits !

p.s. QOS have just scored !
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The 200 delegates in Geneva apparently referred to ‘only in stupid Scotland’ . Oh well, we’ve been called worse

QOS are very impressive, certainly the better team for 45 mins. Neat football and very positive. If only Mr Levein could indstil this optimistic play in the national team. Great little dribbler up front too. A real throwback to the past.

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LOL, Thanks DP, I forgot the “stupid Scotland” part. CG wouldn’t look amiss on the old “Comedians” programme from the 70’s. He certainly seems to have the same “Non-PC” attitude as that lot did in those days !

QOS have been great tonight. Pity they let in a scrappy 2nd goal. 5 mins to go, would love to see them equalise, as they deserve it !

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CWPosted on9:37 pm - Sep 18, 2012


2-2 last minute equaliser ! get over to Alba now.

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youtawknabootPosted on9:41 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Only if their players turnout not to be “properly” registered 🙂

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smallteaserPosted on9:42 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Did you see Gus McPherson at Ibrox, paint job certainly needed, the midden starting to look like a ….well like a …midden.

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BrendaPosted on9:42 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Lol

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on9:42 pm - Sep 18, 2012


smallteaser says:
September 18, 2012 at 21:04

incredibleadamspark says:
September 18, 2012 at 20:53

Its a blog, for gods sake, its not all about facts, its mainly about opinions.
Draw yir neck in.

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I think you downplay the importance of this blog. Imagine someone was to say It’s a newspaper, for gods sake, it’s not all about facts, it’s mainly about opinions.

If we want to take the MSM and organisations to task and see justice done, we’ll do that with the facts and not opinions. We need to be very strict about that. I appreciate it’s a high-minded attitude and no offence was intended.

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essexbeancounterPosted on9:43 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Judging from the initial rection to “Downfall” by PMG, it would certainly appear that followers of the Ibrox/Sevco franchise still do not want to be acquainted with the cold true facts of the financial scandal which has engulfed RFC(IA) and its followers/supporters.

I would contend the main reasons are:

1) “Downfall” has been written by PMG, a journalist (not a churnalist or presstitute!)
2) Scottish MSM simply cannot swallow what is left of its pride and admit they were way behind all the time since they were choking on “succulent lamb” and drowning in “the finest red”…in the Channel Islands, chez (-S)DM
3) Scottish MSM could not run with the truth since most of their hard copy sales are to fans of RFC(IA) and profits would slump
4) No one in Scotland “REALLY” believed that the establishment side would in fact go into administration/liquidation (John Clarke alluded to this but was slightly misunderstood, I think!)

I am left with one question, that, taking into account that the “non-believers” would not accept the truth from Alex Thomson or PMG….how would they have accepted the story had it been reported by John Rafferty/Ian Archer/Cyril Horne, assuming the ediorial line would have allowed it?…or is that latter aspect the real underlying qustion?

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on9:49 pm - Sep 18, 2012


First time I’ve watched a game on ALBA.
I’m enjoying it.
QoS have been the better team,playing the better football.
It’s a good cup tie.

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youtawknabootPosted on9:51 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Sevco have an unfair advantage in SFL3…so if they do win the League will it be ‘tainted’ ?

Only if their players turnout not to be “properly” registered 😉

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CWPosted on9:52 pm - Sep 18, 2012


CW says:
September 18, 2012 at 00:36
45
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The hatred between the “Green” half and the “Blue” half of Glasgow has alway’s intrigued me.

I’m going to be a bit controversial here and suggest that neither half actually has “Supporters”, but rather “Sheep”, depending on what side of the Field you were born !

That’s why you have 50,000 “Green” sheep one week, and then 50,000 “Blue” sheep the week after.

The trouble is, even although the Sheep hate each other, they can’t live without each other, as they were all born in the same Field !

Even worse, that field WASN’T on that Island across from Stranraer !

This country (Scotland) needs a good clean out of the sectarian*sm from both “Green” and “Blue” sides. Only then will we progress into the 21st Century.

Sorry that this isn’t going to go down well with the majority of posters here, but it’s true !

On the upside, lots of Succulent Lamb is provided all around !

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p.s. I hope nobody was truly offended by what I wrote above, last night ? I was trying out a wee experiment.

I’ll try and explain later when I have more time, and as I don’t want to distract from the main issues ! (Although tonight is also a distraction whilst watching QOS still in with a good chance).

Apologies if anyone was offended from either side.

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Larsson7Posted on9:56 pm - Sep 18, 2012


OMG The Rangers are terrible!

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Larsson7Posted on9:57 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Ally better grab the shares quick!
LOL

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CWPosted on9:59 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Walter is in the Stand. Is he passing instructions on to Super Sally ? Is that allowed ! LOL

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jean7brodiePosted on10:01 pm - Sep 18, 2012


hello

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Lord WobblyPosted on10:01 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Essex beancounter says:
September 18, 2012 at 21:21
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Lord Wobbly says:
September 18, 2012 at 19:55
11 0 i Rate This
Eastern ex-pat says:
September 18, 2012 at 19:00
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Even wih the range of information coming out today I am fairly confident that our papers will focus on the headline figure of a £7m loss at Celtic.
The diligent (no laughing at the back) hack may see the statement from the chairman of ‘debt free’ The Rangers highlighting the need to put any funds raised to paying off debt as warranting further investigation?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
While Celtic continue to struggle on all fronts, not least financially,
Rangers are about to embark on a share issue which is set to send the Govan Giants over the top.
Celtic fans have joked about a succession of Rangers chairmen
ranting uncontrollably as all around them fails but, all the while, Charles Green has been plotting a Rangers revolution from his Ibrox bunker.
Phil Mac Giolla Bhain recently wrote a much maligned book
charting the downfall of Rangers, the release of which now seems extraordinarily premature. Perhaps he should consider writing a sequal, perhaps entitled The Upsurge – How Rangers Single-Handedly Saved Scottish Football.
By Keith ‘Sports Journalist of the Year’ Jackson Oct 2012
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LW…had this post not come from your known and trusted hand, I would have called your integrity into account and some…!
Would you please be good enough to post a link to this drivel…I am tempted to write to this clown!
Thank you in anticipation..
EB
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Patience EB. Although if Ally fails to steer his team through this cup tie, a good news story might be required sooner rather than later.

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CWPosted on10:05 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Just an observation, but has anyone watching Alba noticed how big the crowd is now (20 mins into extra time), compared to the start of the match. Who doesn’t do “Walking Away !” ?

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Larsson7Posted on10:10 pm - Sep 18, 2012


I know, what we need is league reconstruction. The SPL is crying out for quality like this.
LOL

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andyPosted on10:12 pm - Sep 18, 2012


CW says:
September 18, 2012 at 22:05
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Just an observation, but has anyone watching Alba noticed how big the crowd is now (20 mins into extra time), compared to the start of the match. Who doesn’t do “Walking Away !” ?
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they left after 90 mins thinking job done 🙂

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youtawknabootPosted on10:13 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Is there another sevco penalty to come.. before f/time ?

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CWPosted on10:16 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Pens !. Squeaky Bum Time on the Home Bench !

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Lamp Post SanniesPosted on10:16 pm - Sep 18, 2012


What’s Gaelic for Tom Daley? I was half expecting to see marks out of 10 for some of those efforts by the Rangers players. Wish I knew what the commentators were saying

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on10:17 pm - Sep 18, 2012


No matter who wins this,It’s been a great advert for lower league football!

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jean7brodiePosted on10:19 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Hello there

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CWPosted on10:24 pm - Sep 18, 2012


QOS I salute You !

Well Done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Larsson7Posted on10:24 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Oh no they might sack Ally!
Disaster
LOL

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NawlitePosted on10:25 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Don’t gloat. Please remember this is not an anti-TRFC site. By all means comment on Sally’s inability but not in a partisan manner.

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youtawknabootPosted on10:25 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Oh Dear Oh Dear Ohhhh Dear..!?

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adamate12Posted on10:26 pm - Sep 18, 2012


QOS win on penalties!

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ollielogiePosted on10:28 pm - Sep 18, 2012


You couldn’t make this up…. Well done QoS, great cup tie and a great result for the ‘wee’ team.

So much for the clean sweep of trophies this year – humility should follow hubris but I’m not holding my breath

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MickyMincePosted on10:28 pm - Sep 18, 2012


in a completely non-partisan spirit may a congratulate the QoS on a splendid showing up of the The Rangers and their light entertainment manager

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iamacantPosted on10:29 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Cracking game, QoS completely in control. RFC(IA) were absolutely shocking, totally clueless in how to play a team that plays good clean passing game of football.

Congratulations to the doonhammers

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highlandjaggyPosted on10:29 pm - Sep 18, 2012


That’ll be the last ramsden cup game televised this season.

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smartie1947Posted on10:29 pm - Sep 18, 2012


The patrons on RM are not wholly happy with our Alistair.

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Danish PastryPosted on10:31 pm - Sep 18, 2012


torrejohnbhoy says:
September 18, 2012 at 22:17
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No matter who wins this,It’s been a great advert for lower league football!
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Pure theatre. QOS deserved winners. Fair ref. Bravo BBC Alba, couldn’t disagree with a word the commentators said.

Hopefully someone will post the Green interview.

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StevieBCPosted on10:33 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Part-timers beat their illustrious full-time opponents – on their home turf – and after gruelling extra-time !

How is McCoist going to spin this one then ?

He has a decent squad, and first class training facilities / back room support.

CG must now give AMcC the dreaded ‘vote of confidence’ – and get the share issue launched ASAP !

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aramintamoobeamqcPosted on10:34 pm - Sep 18, 2012


A cracking evening’s football between Man City and Real Madrid, followed by the ET/Pens on Alba. This season is officially brilliant so far. Haven’t enjoyed football so much for years.

P.S. Please don’t sack McCoist, Chas.

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arabest1Posted on10:35 pm - Sep 18, 2012


QoS a real credit to the SFL…..Scottish Football alive and kicking!

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iamacantPosted on10:36 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Well thats one stream of revenue cut off, no more income from Ramsdens cup ties and they could have had a few bob in the kitty if they progressed further with the benefit of home ties.

Lets see how CG makes up the shortfall, would you buy shares after a display like that?

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AngusPosted on10:40 pm - Sep 18, 2012


And another from RM:

“Horrible night. No fight, no plan b, players looking like they couldn’t give a fOck. Disgusting. I’m afraid to say Ally, great player, great man but you have to go”

I don’t know – personally, I thought it was all a bit hilarious (in a non-partisan way, of course).

Sally is certainly finding just how fickle the bears can be, I think. Ultimate hero only a few weeks ago, now Scapegoat #1. What are they going to do once they’ve hounded him out? As frequently said, this really is the present that just keeps on giving.

Spotted Cardigan in the stand there – evidently on speaking terms with Mr Charles now, then.

Well done QoS. Rather lovely to see ex-sheep Derek Young sticking a pen into the onion bag at Ibrox, too. 🙂

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Nuclear SheepPosted on10:42 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Mr McCoist’s dismal cup record continues. May now even be worse than the great ball juggler JC’s. He could be the next manager.

I hope they don’t get too down, they are still in with a shout in the league.

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CWPosted on10:44 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Don’t know what McCoist earns in a year, but it’s worth it in pure entertainment value alone this season !

Keep it up Sally, You’re sure keeping the Morale of the Nation going !

Superb entertainment tonight, Thank’s Alba !

Good luck QOS, hope you make it to The Final !

p.s. I don’t even know the CL results tonight, I was too engrossed in this game. So glad there wasn’t a Giant Killing result from the 3rd Div Team !

Then again, was it really so much of a shock ?

On a serious note, just how motivated are players like Black, Sheils, Kyle, McCulloch, Alexander, Wallace, etc against lower opposition. There were 6 full Internationals playing against a 1st Div team tonight !

Some of those younger players taking pens tonight looked like rabbits in headlights.

Didn’t the QOS Keeper start out at the old RFC ? Well done lad ! Must have been sweet revenge !

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Bill1903Posted on10:45 pm - Sep 18, 2012


I’m now bill1903 instead of Bill but hey hoh
Really enjoyed the game tonight
The Sevco fans were seething at the end 😀
The only trouble is that results like these will hasten Sally having to walk away and I want him in charge for as long as possible.

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WOTTPIPosted on10:46 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Didn’t catch the Charles Green Alba interview but it appears he is mentioning the ECA meeting in Geneva again.
I hate repeating myself but in the same way that his T’Rangers were never members of the SPL, then his T’Rangers were never members of the ECA. In fact the two year membership was only extended to three this year to tie in with various Uefa cycles so he was lucky he even got close to the place.

Once again no query by the MSM if he actually attended the meeting proper, if so who was he representing and on what basis?

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john clarkePosted on10:49 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Leaving all gloatery and what not aside, I was very pleasantly surprised by the level of footballing skill and composure shown by QoS, so I am reluctant to put their win down to a shocking performance by the new club.

No, by imposing their unified performance on a somewhat less than unified and ( to my mind ) dispirited and unmotivated new club, they forced the new club into giving a singularly inept and unfocussed performance in extra time, and were therefore in that extra time more deserving of a straight win.
And therefore deserving of the penalties win, in my straightforward footballing opinion.

Ally McCoist, one feels, has not only lost the dressing room : he has no single player on the pitch exercising an inspiring sort of captaincy role.And it is on the pitch ( grass or artificial) that matches are won.

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WOTTPIPosted on10:52 pm - Sep 18, 2012


smallteaser says:

September 18, 2012 at 21:42

Funny I noticed that as well and thought the paintwork was looking a bit worn, just like Ally’s excuses will be by the end of this week.

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stmileyPosted on10:53 pm - Sep 18, 2012


WOTTPI

I tweeted earlier that he was surprisingly quiet on his return, when you consider how vocal he was before he left. What he said tonight about clubs abroad being shocked by their treatment, he made the same statement before he went.

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fishnishPosted on11:00 pm - Sep 18, 2012


From a Buddie on b+w army this evening…
“That result tonight will have Rangers turning in their grave. ” 🙂

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CWPosted on11:01 pm - Sep 18, 2012


WOTTPI says:
September 18, 2012 at 22:46

Didn’t catch the Charles Green Alba interview but it appears he is mentioning the ECA meeting in Geneva again.
I hate repeating myself but in the same way that his T’Rangers were never members of the SPL, then his T’Rangers were never members of the ECA. In fact the two year membership was only extended to three this year to tie in with various Uefa cycles so he was lucky he even got close to the place.

Once again no query by the MSM if he actually attended the meeting proper, if so who was he representing and on what basis?

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WOTTPI,

I’m pretty sure he said he was at the meeting “Last Week” ! Perhaps DP can confirm. I’m getting on in age, but I’m pretty sure he said “Last Week”.

Stand to be contradicted.

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AuchinstarryPosted on11:02 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Watched the Football tonight……then turned over to Alba expecting a ceilidh or something….got a Pantomime instead. ..

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CWPosted on11:09 pm - Sep 18, 2012


john clarke says:
September 18, 2012 at 22:49

Ally McCoist, one feels, has not only lost the dressing room : he has no single player on the pitch exercising an inspiring sort of captaincy role.And it is on the pitch ( grass or artificial) that matches are won
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That was my point, JC,

CW says:

September 18, 2012 at 22:44
Then again, was it really so much of a shock ?

On a serious note, just how motivated are players like Black, Sheils, Kyle, McCulloch, Alexander, Wallace, etc against lower opposition. There were 6 full Internationals playing against a 1st Div team tonight !

Some of those younger players taking pens tonight looked like rabbits in headlights.

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WOTTPIPosted on11:16 pm - Sep 18, 2012


CW says:

September 18, 2012 at 23:01

The ECA meeting was on 10 & 11 Sept. Green gave a BBC radio interview and mentioned he was there.

I for one do not know why. Of the 207 members only 135 turned up, so why he needed to be there when T’Rangers aren’t going to be anywhere Europe for years is anyones guess.

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smartie1947Posted on11:18 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Champions League on the telly, season tickets not valid, and the crowd at Ibrox = 23,392.
Still a world record for a Ramsden Cup quarter-final on a Tuesday though.
It’s going to be a long hard winter Charlie

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bobferrisPosted on11:21 pm - Sep 18, 2012


That was excellent entertainment on Alba. The Rangers were absolutely dire in the first half and Queens (who are full time, by the way) should have been ahead earlier. Danny Carmichael superb on the wing. Had money on the draw and Gavin Reilly anytime! He made me wait. McCoist is getting what he deserves signing no marks from abroad who have never set foot in Scotland before. And he has to make do with guys like Faure and the Brazilian for the next year or so. He should have signed some of the best defenders from the First and Second Divs, but no, Rangers fans would never stand for signing Willie McGlumpher from Morton, they need Sebastian Whoever cos he once played for Lyon reserves and a washed up 32 year old Brazilian, see that, we can still attract Brazilians, gaun yerself Ally!!!

Have to say the ref was kind to Queens. McGufffie, who scored the decisive penalty, should really have been sent off near the end of extra time. When he strode up to take the pen, you just knew!

Can anyone tell me how to embed a youtube video on here?

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EKBhoyPosted on11:23 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Missed the Sevco defeat tonight, perhaps a measure of revenge for QoS for the EBT inspired cup final reverse a few seasons back. In the grand scheme of things, however it will be interesting to see if Green has made the same mistakes as Whyte (and SDM) and made over optimistic assumptions about football performance and hence revenue generation to balance the books.

I suspect that given the contradictory statements that Green would be one scary guy to work for and the chances of him having either a solid plan A or B are remote, there is the whole ‘pantomime’ atmosphere around this guy which has car crash written all over it.

I would be astonished if he raised sufficient funds but you never know, however the prospectus will be full of pie and the sky promises of marketing, merchandising, branding, you-name-it-it-will-be included, while all the time the money will be frittered away shelling out on day-to-day bills.

You can just picture the scene possibly this summer with the money gone, he will be pleading with the SFA , SPL to let them back into the SPL as without this they will go under for a second time……. I believe this is the most likely scenario for Sevco, as the guys in charge have a track record of failure and so far …….

Serious question for the Sevco fans, what happens if you go down again?

Gone forever?

Perhaps wishful thinking on my part but unless Green provides some financial clarity around the operations of the club to support his prospectus, then the one chance for the Sevco fans to bail out the club big time may well be a forlorn gesture, as this incompetent will fritter it away.

Still Green’s next task is to back Ally in the morning , “just proves that we need more investment in the club, blah blah, blah , hampered by the authorities blah, blah, blah…”

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loyalbuddyPosted on11:26 pm - Sep 18, 2012


Sorry commentators and posters this site is rapidly losing credibility with every partisan gloating post. It was never the purpose of this site to bait any team so please focus on the task at hand and not the result of one cup quarter final.
I’m sure you can find another club forum if you want to continue this mindless bleating.

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tearsofjoyPosted on11:27 pm - Sep 18, 2012


martie1947 says:
September 18, 2012 at 23:18
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Champions League on the telly, season tickets not valid, and the crowd at Ibrox = 23,392.
Still a world record for a Ramsden Cup quarter-final on a Tuesday though.
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Genuine LOL moment there !

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