Commander Green, The FIFA man, and life after the Murray Empire


Night Terror says: Sunday, October 7, 2012 at 10:17 ‘….I think the …

Comment on Commander Green, The FIFA man, and life after the Murray Empire by john clarke.

Night Terror says:
Sunday, October 7, 2012 at 10:17
‘….I think the SFA’s actions, and particular in keeping Ogilvie in place, can also be understood as retaining some convenient bodies to throw off the side when a body or two is required

That’s an interesting reflection.

I’ve tended to assume that CO , not merely in virtue of his formal position in the SFA, is the real, down and dirty power broker who’s actually working the strings.

That is, I think it’s not a question of the other board members keeping him in place, but of their powerlessness to get rid of him, unless and until an EGM were to be called.

And thus far, at any rate, there has been no real sign that any one of the members is trying to get another nine or ten to put their names to a request for an EGM.

Whatever else Ogilvie may be, it is clear that he is absolutely sure of his position, having brazenly signalled that his priority is talk to CG about coming back into the tent, rather than to bolster the authority of the SFA over any club, of whatever size and influence its fan base.

For the head of a really troubled and conflicted organisation to feel comfortable vis-a-vis the media, and the public, in making such a clearly partisan and unbalanced statement when so many serious issues are unresolved, is truly indicative of his belief that he is safe from scrutiny, and free to carry on as before.

Many of us have worked, or perhaps are still working, with duplicitous, very nasty but Teflon-coated people who have the amorality of an Al Capone, but the sophisticated skills of an Elizabethan intriguer like William Lord Burghley, who could with impunity send innocent men to their deaths in the ’cause’ of that b.. queen.

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Commander Green, The FIFA man, and life after the Murray Empire
easyJambo says:
Saturday, October 6, 2012 at 22:24

‘paulmac2 says:
Saturday, October 6, 2012 at 22:49

Thanks, gentlemen.

I suppose it’s fair enough that only the ‘paying members’ of an organisation have a right to complain about their board’s actions.

But on the theme of Uefa’s public acknowledgment of the importance of the footballing ‘consumer’, it is interesting that ( so far as I can see) they have not advanced to the stage of giving a voice to representative associations of national fan bases ( to do so in respect of particular club fan-bases would, I agree, be a bad idea).

But perhaps is because ( and I don’t know) there may at present be no such thing in any Uefa country as a recognised body speaking for all the fans in the country.

Perhaps we should now be lobbying for, say, ‘ Supporters Direct’, to be so constituted as to make it possible for it to be recognised as formally able to lodge complaints against the SFA’s non-adherence to its own ( and Uefa’s) rules), so that the longer term interests of the entire fan base can be preserved?

Just a thought.

Commander Green, The FIFA man, and life after the Murray Empire
While listening to the Killie-Aberdeen game today, I was simultaneously trawling through the Uefa website.

I was looking in particular for some information about how the their Disciplinary procedures are invoked.

Essentially, the question is: how are complaints made to Uefa about the alleged wrongdoings of national associations? Who, for example, is competent to, for example, lodge a complaint against the SFA for breaching the rules on licensing, say, or on admission of a new club to membership?

Would such complaints have to be made by a member or members of the national association?

Or could supporters’ trusts/other fans’ organisations complain, with some expectation that they had a right to have their complaint heard and dealt with?

I don’t suppose any member club of the SFA has made, or will make, such a complaint about the admission of Sevco/The Rangers. So as far as Uefa are concerned, perhaps they have no grounds for getting involved.

couldn’t find anything useful on the subject, though.

Anyone got any ideas?

Commander Green, The FIFA man, and life after the Murray Empire
Observer says:
Saturday, October 6, 2012 at 18:23
‘As far as I’m aware there is no mechanism for a football team which comes top of a division to refuse being then placed in a superior flight: the only way to stop that occurring is to ensure that yr team does not top any divisions..
Unfortunately, I think there IS provision for a 3rd Div team to decline promotion to “2nd Div, and 2nd to £rd.

Couldn’t find any rule allowing a 1st Div team to decline to be promoted to SPL, though.
So Charlie boy could encourage Sally to get promoted to 2nd Div without worrying about failing to stick to his pledge never to play in the SPL.

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It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
My brother and I, auld men now that we are, meet occasionally for a pint or three.
We tend to pay homage to our late dad by visiting one of the pubs he used as a young man afore the war ( he lived in digs near Partick Cross) , or one of the pubs he used when we were kids during his working life at what  used to be Glasgow Corporation Tramways Parkhead depot,  or the pub he used in Tollcross in his retirement days.
So I feel for the patrons of what had been Annie Miller’s pub in Ropework lane.
If and when the new owners of the premises tart it up gaily as a feeder bar for their adjoining sauna, I expect that it will no longer be a ‘Rangers’ pub,a place of shared enjoyment of football memories and celebration of former days of glory.

Like the historic Rangers Football Club, Annie Miller’s is dead. Ceased trading in 2016. No longer exists as a ‘Rangers’ pub, any more than the Rangers Football Club of 1872 exists as a professional football club entitled to a place in Scottish Football.
That’s the reality.
There isn’t even a ‘Scottish Football Pubs Association’ prepared to create and propagate a lie  that ‘Annie Miller’s’ lives on, there have been no white or green knights/knaves rushing in to found ‘continuity Annie Miller’s’, no running-dog SMSM types betraying their avocation by propagating untruths…… convicted criminals begging, borrowing and making false promises about good times to come if only other folk will produce the readies…
Annie Miller’s is dead and gone.
Only a lie sustains TRFC Ltd.
And those who drank in Annie Miller’s know that.
And the evil men of the SMSM and the SFA know it, too.
May 2018 see them confounded, and their untruths exposed.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
FinlochDecember 30, 2017 at 20:42
‘…Craig took a Corinthian and undisciplined club going nowhere fast, rooted it into a previously ignored community and has achieved some incredible health and social goals deep into that community using football as glue.’
Beautifully expressed, Finloch.

Football as a glue of ‘community’

Of community trust,

of basic honesty,

of the  Corinthian spirit,

of sporting integrity….

and of all the virtues that the SFA has so spectacularly abandoned, in its determination to insist that Charles Green’s Sevcoscotland is entitled to call itself the Rangers of 1872

That such an incredibly monstrous perversion of truth of any kind, never mind sporting truth, is being, and has been for 5 years, propagated by our Football Governance body and supported by the SMSM is stark evidence of a deep, deep corruption at the heart of our sport, and, worse, at the very essence of our ‘free’ Press.

in this little country of ours.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
And since I’m talking to myself while all you guys and gals are snoring your heads off, can I just mention that in the local newspaper this morning there was a piece about school sports.

It seemed to be about the ‘pick’ of the best players.

I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing ( and it’s too late to disturb the household to go looking for the paper!) but it seemed to be related to the use by ‘soccer’ teams of the American  Football  concept of who gets to pick the best player in the ‘draft’.

I have only the haziest understanding of that concept.

But in so far as it might relate to attempts to create genuine ‘sporting’ , on-field, equality of talent, it must have something to recommend it.

Even the Americans realise that in order to make money out of sport,there has to be some concept of genuine ‘sporting competition’

Auldheid reminded us, quite movingly, of the joyous nature of our game as we all experienced it.
We all knew instinctively what was fair, and what wasn’t.
Remember how our street game teams were picked?

The two ‘captains’ tossed for first choice.Whichever won the toss would pick the ‘best’ player. The other guy would pick ‘the second best’ and so on.

And, if it appeared that there was an imbalance ,or if there was an odd number of players, then it would be agreed that a ‘John Clark’ would play the first half for one side to give them the extra man, and the second half for the other side, to try to be fair in the use of that useless lump!

( who, I may say, was actually quite good at lifting the wee ba’ from the street up onto the pavement, one hand on the lamp-post outside the Thomson’s house on Cuthelton Street, and bringing it to the goal at the lorry entrance to the Domestos depot ( formerly Donald Clarke’s steel kind of place, which in 1947 sirened One o’Clock,with the siren they used ‘during the war!’)

And it is these kinds of memories that fuel my contempt
contempt for the cheating bast.rd of a knight of the realm who killed the RFC of my day

contempt for the SFA who, like some referees,not only did not ‘see’ that cheating but went further and assisted in that cheating

And who continue to propagate the lie that the football club that cheated its way to death by Liquidation is somehow the same club as a five year old creation that they themselves have lied into existence.

And as for the the whole lot of the successive boards of either Sevco 5088, Sevcoscotland, The rangers football Club Ltd, RIFC plc  how can they be described otherwise than as  scavengers of carrion? Feeding as they do on the dead flesh of a once proud football club?

It gars me greet…
Quietly and solemnly, into my glass of “Goose IPA, 5.9%, made from hops from Idaho” ( And actually quite surprisingly pleasant, reminiscent of McEwan’s pale ale.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
It’s 11.43 pm in Scranton,PA,  and we have just come back from being wined and dined  in tremendously good company in a friends-of-the-son’s home.

I am therefore in a cheerful frame of mind. (Mind you, sitting in the back seat of the car I had one of those A9 moments of absolute fear, when the driver overtook another car on a blind bend, before I realised we were still on a dual carriageway!)….

For one reason or another, it suddenly strikes  me that I don’t actually know ( or remember) when it was that the concept of ‘transfer windows’ was introduced, or why it was introduced.

On the face of it, it’s as much of a restriction of ‘trade’ on ’employers’, as the pre-Bosman situation was on freedom of employment was on ‘workers'(players).

Is there a decently worked out rationale for the concept?

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
easyJamboDecember 27, 2017 at 17:49
‘..I think that the document will only be a restatement of the resolutions that were approved at the AGM (Resolutions 10 & 11).’
You’re perfectly right, of course, eJ: it was only the official recording  of the AGM resolutions.

I think I for one (in my general ignorance) tend to think that any plc of which a director has been taken to the Courts( in an unprecedented action by the Takeover Panel) would have every form or document that it submitted to Companies House rigorously examined, cross-checked, double-checked, treble checked ,even, in a way that ,for example, the SFA does not do with documents submitted to it by its trustworthy gentlemen members.

The Takeover Panel has a lot riding on how the Law stands in its approach to the Panel’s need for support in their regulation of rogues in the market-place.

So I tend to look at anything touching on RIFC plc that seems even a wee bit different as something worth exploring.

Largely tongue-in-cheek, of course: -we’re not likely ever to be told anything confidential by CH! But if they say something will appear, and then it doesn’t appear when promised, then it allows one to ask why. Keeps them on their toes!

And we know that when even the gentlemen of our free Press are not above behaving with less than complete honesty when it comes to TRFC Ltd/RIFC plc  there may (God forbid!) exist a ‘protective of companies’ mindset in CH, rather than a ‘get the baddies’ approach.

Who knows?

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