Daft and Dafter


Sunincapricorn says: July 23, 2013 at 2:52 pm Someone on here the …

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Sunincapricorn says:
July 23, 2013 at 2:52 pm

Someone on here the other day {short of time to troll through the posts} actually suggested that Rangers fans have no right to harbour resentment!
That was me, and I stand by my view. The only resentment I’ve witnessed is against The SFA, the SPL, HMRC, Celtic, Peter Lawwell etc which runs parallel with a breathtaking sense of entitlement. How any of that can ever be deemed as justified is beyond me. Let’s face it, if it wasn’t for fans who wanted to see justice applied Rangers would likely be in the top league outspending Celtic in the transfer market. Needless to say the taxpayers would still have been whistling in the wind for their money.

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ecobhoy says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:45 am
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And let’s never forget the complicity and active support of the Scottish Football cabal who wanted Rangers and Celtic kept in their ‘rightful’ places!
Ah…the ‘rightful’ place, or where a club ‘rightfully’ belongs. The comfortable position always was Rangers would be successful most of the time, and Celtic could be successful some of the time, as long as they were not more successful than Rangers. That meant not only on the park, but off it as well. The general acceptance was that Rangers were bigger, richer, and grander in every aspect than Celtic. Then along comes Fergus McCann and builds a Celtic Park that is bigger and grander than Ibrox. He puts in place a structure that makes Celtic a richer club than Rangers. So Rangers turn to other ways of staying (in their mind) bigger, richer and grander. Now that it has all fallen apart they, and their media apologists, say they must return to their rightful place at the very top of Scottish Football. Except a return to ‘other ways’ is the only way to do it, given they are unlikely to be given the time to put in place a structure to match Celtic’s while maintaining a healthy support.

Will they use ‘other ways’ of trying to get to the top rather than a solid base similar to that Fergus built at Celtic? I personally have absolutely no doubt at all they will and I have no doubt the SFA will let them away with it as well. In terms of it meaning they will forever be bigger, richer and grander than Celtic though, I think those days have gone forever.

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StevieBC says:
July 22, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Again on the assumption Irvine is telling the truth about Murray making up to 20 calls a day to the media.

For a Celtic fan living through the years of 1986-1994 the media coverage was horrific. Not only horrific in that the only medium available to us at that time contained negativity about Celtic every day, but also stories about Rangers that anyone taking a step back even at the time could see were fantasy. Phone-in’s in those days were normally once a week or a ‘special’ following a big game, but they followed the same pattern. Any Celtic fan complaining about the coverage was completely paranoid and needed treatment.

Some of the things we were force fed then were along the lines of:

1. Rangers are the biggest football club in Britain
2. Rangers are the richest football club in Britain
3. David Murray is a financial genius
4. David Murray buys players for Rangers with millions of his own money

Celtic meanwhile were portrayed as incompetent at best and downright amateurish at worst, but it was rarely put as nicely as that. Paraphrasing what the late Alex Cameron of the Daily Record said, ‘comparing the two clubs is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Lada. Rangers are about to disappear out of Celtic’s reach for ever, and may even be lost to Scottish football altogether’. The Daily Record meanwhile chose in December 1986 to run the ‘biggest poll ever’ for Scottish football fans, and two questions stick in my mind.

1. Which manager is a genius?
2. Which ground is the biggest midden in Scotland?

Question 1 was won overwhelmingly by Graham Souness, despite Rangers at the time sitting behind Celtic in the league. Celtic Park of course was voted the biggest midden for question 2. Yet still the Daily Record had the temerity to present this as a serious poll.

Thinking back it is utterly shameful how Murray was allowed to ruin Scottish football and how the media went along with it. It is equally shameful how they still embrace every chancer who walks through the Ibrox doors with open arms.

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smartie1947 says:
July 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm
On another tack, I wonder if the Easdales will come to the rescue with one of their coaches? What a happy coincidence that would be
That would be the least surprising next move.

On another note for as long as I could remember both Celtic and Rangers used Parks of Hamilton for their team buses – Celtic still do. Are Parks a creditor of the previous Ibrox club per chance?

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ALLYJAMBOJANUARY 2, 2018 at 11:07

Wow! I know we are not meant to put much store on the thumbs up or down, but two people have given thumbs down to this post! Who on earth could find fault with a post respecting the dead from the Ibrox disaster?


A bit puzzled at the thumbs down myself A.J, but there’s nowt queerer than folk as they say!

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On this day in 1971, the Ibrox disaster happened during a Rangers v Celtic game at Ibrox. 66 fans died in a crush. Some of us remember that day, some of us may even have been there, while some of us would not even be on this earth at the time. 

We are all football fans. Nobody should go to a football match and never return home. Rest in Peace.

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CLUSTER ONEJANUARY 1, 2018 at 19:27

“If they move out of Hampden, the SFA are in danger of leaving themselves hostages to Rangers and Celtic,” said Queen’s Park president Alan Hutchison.


I am a Celtic shareholder and if it was up to me (which it is not), I would tell the SFA here and now that Celtic Park is unavailable for any future fixture.  However I know that will not happen, but I doubt there is anything they could do to force Celtic to allow them use of the stadium.  

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ALLYJAMBOJANUARY 1, 2018 at 12:18

I see, too, that PMGB is issuing challenges, in two posts, to the Ibrox based boards to issue denials of what he is telling us.


I see it is alleged £800k is owed to suppliers. In my view unless any of it is due to a financial behemoth such as one of the big six energy suppliers, then we are unlikely to see any winding up requests heading towards court. It simply wouldn’t be worth the risk for any small supplier in Scotland to do that. Having said that I find it remarkable anyone is willing to extend them any sort of credit at all, or are they worried about the bully boys on that score as well?

I’m sure the SFA will want to satisfy themselves all is well though. I am also sure a herd of pink elephants takes off from Glasgow Airport at 20:00hrs tonight with the moon as their destination.

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Phil McG alleging a surveyor has recently visited Rangers training ground to attain a valuation, and that King has also approached a non-Uk Finance House. As Phil says this may well be King raising funds to make a share offer, but IMO it could be to raise working capital too. 

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