Daft and Dafter


Sunincapricorn says: July 23, 2013 at 2:52 pm It is …

Comment on Daft and Dafter by Smugas.

Sunincapricorn says:
July 23, 2013 at 2:52 pm

It is the role of the SFA/SPL (as was) to recognise that (your words),”The beautiful game in our wee country has historically been inter dependent on Celtic and Rangers. The last twenty five to thirty years even more so.”

It is unequivocally NOT their job to defend it, seek to perpetuate it, nor artificially seek to recreate it when one part realises their long term dance partner has horns and a tail. That 40 other clubs appear closer to your view than mine explains to me why the game has rotted away from beneath itself.

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IF Celtic want to respond it should be with ZERO reporting. This is just a pathetic attempt to kick start a rivalry pre season that should no longer exist, at least of any footballing significance. What’s more it seems to be working.

Doesn’t stop them suing the ass off them behind closed doors.

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neepheid says:
July 17, 2013 at 10:32 pm

Replace Lawell with my own club’s chairman and you’re absolutely on the button. Same response from me re the SFA and the hampden games. For the club stuff genuinely haven’t decided for the coming season yet. Historically the season ticket was on the mantle piece long before now.

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Sorry GJ you’ll be feeling a bit pressurised I’m sure, but I can’t let this one go
greenockjack says:
July 16, 2013 at 12:51 pm


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Let´s look at context, the main “achievement” of the RTC blog in terms of propaganda proved to be the push start of the “sporting integrity” bandwagon. The focus of the blog switched towards this in January 2012 as the tax tribunal came to an end.

It pushed the right buttons and set off a chain reaction within a leaderless Scottish football. This vacum of leadership (despite conspiracies suspected) allowed the momentum built up on the bandwagon to push home and make reallity much of it´s agenda/aims.

Set that against what was happening at Ibrox and the emotions that were brought into play. Can you really expect understanding from football supporters that are punchdrunk from many months of negative headlines, their club is under threat and at the sametime watching certain forces contributing greatly to maximise damage ?

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I fundamentally disagree with you on your paragraphs 1 & 2 as above. Your 3rd paragraph is 95% of the reason why I am here – and that’s not in support of what you say, just to be absolutely clear.

(((For those interested the other 5% is annoyance at my own personal, not insignificant investment in the game over 30 years turning out to be merely ‘contributory’ in nature)))

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My thoughts exactly.  The AGM stuff to me made sense to a/ get a hold of 1872’s ‘new’ money with zero repayment clause and b/ to tidy up the balance sheet with a view to a euro licence (listed you will recall as essential to the clumpany’s future well being) which will surely be scrutinised like never before.  It makes no sense for the creditors to do it (unless a billionaire has flown in off the radar offering more per share for their quantum than a simple loan repayment would yield i.e. parity*) and it makes even less sense to allow a situation where the creditors can individually decide whether to do so given the fragility of the underlying company(ies).  Particularly given the reputation of some of the principle creditors.  

* parity insofar as they’d get their money back.  It is not enough to promise growth on their shares in some future dream complete with CL soundtrack if achieving said dream is literally costing you money in the meantime in terms of shareholder calls. RBS being the most recent example to spring to mind.  

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