Did Stewart Regan Ken Then Wit We Ken Noo?

 

Thoughts and observations from watching and reading a transcript of Alex Thomson of Channel 4’s Interview with Stewart Regan (CEO of the SFA) Broadcast by Channel 4 on 29 March 2012.

http://www.channel4.com/news/we-run-football-were-not-the-police-sfa-boss

Introduction. I came across the above interview recently and listened to and transcribed it again as it reminded me of questions it raised then that the passage of time since has provided some insight into.

There is a lot to digest so the blog is broken into four sections.  Three parts cover the Interview plus what they seem to tell us now, knowing what was not known then viz:

  • Why No independent or independent element to the enquiry that became the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission. given the potential extent of the corruption at play?
  • Why no effective fit and Proper Person scrutiny and the absence of real governance?
  • EBTS and whether they constitute wrong doing and why that mattered so much and still does. plus
  • The “hard to not to believe” conclusions about the whole exercise with the benefit of what we ken noo.

There is also an Annex at the end with excerpts from the Lord Nimmo Smith Decision for ease of reference:

The comments (in bold italics) are based on what Regan said then and what we ken noo, either as facts or questions arising from them. It is a long read but hopefully readers will be enticed by this introduction to stay the course.

In the following “SR” is Stewart Regan CEO of the SFA and “AT” is Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News.

No Independent Enquiry?

SR No

AT I’m just curious as to why they wouldn’t. With something as big as this potentially this is the biggest corruption scandal in British sport, which is – a thought – and yet the SPL deem themselves fit to investigate themselves.

SR Well I think you are calling it potentially the biggest corruption case, at this stage there has been no wrongdoing proven.  There is an investigation going on

AT But you would accept that potentially, potentially that if guilty there is no question this is the biggest corruption scandal in British sport.

SR There is no wrongdoing as I said at the moment and there is nothing yet that has been established as far as the club registering players without providing the appropriate documentation, so I think it would   be wrong to jump to conclusions and even use words like corruption. You know there are a series of issues here. There are some footballing matters which are being dealt through the football authorities and there are tax mattes which are being dealt with through HMRC and there is to be a Tax Tribunal due to be heard as I’m sure you are aware in April.

So even before the investigation got underway Mr Regan was saying that it would be incorrect to assume that any wrong doing took place in terms of the registration process and use of ebts. He later expands on this point in relation to EBTs as a legitimate tax arrangement device. Given that the FTT did not rule until November 2012 that the ebts issued under the Murray Management Group Remuneration Trust (MMGRT) were legal then this stance by Mr Regan appears justifiable at the time of interview – but more on that later. 

AT I’m just wondering why at no stage anybody seemed, or perhaps they did, to think we need an independent body coming in this is big this is huge, potentially  we need somebody from the outside  or we are going simply going to be accused of investigating ourselves.

SR Well I think that might be one for you to ask the Scottish Premier League as far as their Board..

AT Well they appeal to you so I’m asking you.

SR   No as you said we are the right of appeal so if the club is concerned with any punishment it has been given well then they can choose to appeal to us. We as a body have the provision in our rules to carry out independent enquiries, indeed we did so very recently by appointing the Right Honourable Lord Nimmo Smith to carry out our own investigation into Rangers and we are part way through disciplinary proceedings and they will be heard on 29 March.

Given that player registrations are ultimately lodged with the SFA where Sandy Bryson has been doing the job for some years, I did wonder why the SFA were not the body taking the lead. They had the expertise on what turned out to be a key issue, the eligibility of players if misregistration occurred.  Indeed Sandy Bryson was called in to give a testimony to Lord Nimmo Smith that most folk involved in running a football team from amateur level upwards (as I was) had difficulty accepting. The Bryson interpretation suggested us amateurs had been daft not to take the risk of being found out if we did not register players correctly if only games from the point of discovery risked having results overturned. The Bryson interpretation on eligibility made no sense against that experience and it still does not to football lovers. I’m not sure if the rules have been amended to reflect the Bryson interpretation yet, but cannot see how they can be without removing a major deterrent that I always thought proper registration was there to provide.

The point about their having to be a body of higher appeal sounded plausible then, but could the Court of Arbitration on Sport not have been that body?  Or did that risk taking matters out of the SFA’s control even though it would have introduced an element of the independence that Alex Thomson raises in the following paragraphs in his interview?

AT But did anybody at any stage at the SFA say to you I have a concern that we need an independent body, that the SPL can’t and shouldn’t handle this?

SR Well under the governance of football the SPL run the competition

AT I’m not asking, I’m saying did anybody come to you at any stage and say that to you. Anybody?

SR No they didn’t as far as the SPL’s processes is concerned. The SPL ,

AT Never?

It is notable here that Alex Thomson pushes the point about lack of independence, which is where we enter “wit we ken noo territory”.  

Given that it is now known that SFA President Campbell Ogilvie sat on the Rangers FC Remunerations Policy Committee in September 1999 where it was decided Discount Option Scheme (DOS) ebts would be used as a matter of club remuneration policy using the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust (REBT).

Given that we know that Campbell Ogilvie instigated the first ebt payment to Craig Moore using the Discount Options Scheme.

Given that Ronald De Boer and Tor Andre Flo had both been paid using the same type of DOS ebt as Moore from 2000 to 2002/03 but accompanied by side letters, later concealed from HMRC  in 2005 and of course the SFA from August 2000.

Given that Mr Ogilvie was also in receipt of the later MMGRT ebts disputed by HMRC in the big tax case on which the FTT had still to rule

Given that Mr Regan must have been aware at time of interview that Sherriff Officers had called at Ibrox in August 2011 to collect payment of a tax bill, which means even to a layman that it must have gone past dispute to acceptance of liability and so crystallised sometime after 31st March 2011.

Given that Craig Whyte had already agreed to pay the wee tax bill in his public Takeover statement in early June 2011.

Given that on 7th December 2011 Regan had written to Andrew Dickson at RFC, who had sat on three of the four SFA/UEFA Licensing Committee meetings in 2011, to approve a draft statement by Mr Regan on the SFA’s handling of the UEFA Licence aspect of the wee tax case, which arose as a direct result of the use of the DOS ebts to Flo and De Boer during Dickson’s ongoing tenure at RFC from 1991.

Given that Campbell Ogilvie accompanied Stewart Regan to meet Craig Whyte at the Hotel De Vin on 15th December 2011 as a result of an invite stemming from that consternation causing draft that RFC thought likely to cause problems for the SFA (having agreed before the hotel meeting that no comment should be made on the wee tax case)

Given that the wee tax case was a direct result of those early types of DOS ebts being judged illegal by an FTT considering an appeal by the Aberdeen Asset Management company in 2010.

Given all of these facts, how credible is it that no conversation took place between Regan and Campbell Ogilvie on the requirement for an independent enquiry?

If a conversation did not take place as claimed, the question has to be should it have?

Given the foregoing facts on the early ebts, how credible is it Mr Regan during this interview did not know as a result of his involvement with the overdue payable and the UEFA licence in 2011 of the illegal and therefore wrong doing nature of those early EBTS with side letters concealed from the SFA and HMRC in 2005 just before Mr Ogilvie left RFC?

SR The SPL run, the SPL run the rules of The Scottish Premier League and they apply that. There are a whole host of people raising issues on internet sites and passing comment s about various theories that they have about Scottish football particularly in the West of Scotland. I think it’s important to establish that governance of Scottish football is managed by the appropriate body whether it is the Premier League, The Football League or the overall governing body. So that as far as we are concerned we let the   Scottish Premier league manage their own rules and if those rules are then broken and the club is charged they have the right of appeal to us as the Appellant body.

Given all of the now known facts listed above how credible is it that the reason given by Stewart Regan to Alex Thomson for the SFA being the appeal body was indeed the only one?

Given the foregoing how credible is it that Mr Regan was not aware that he was being economical with the truth during his interview or had he indeed been kept in the dark by others in the SFA?

Fit and Proper Person and Absence of Governance

AT Let’s talk about Craig Whyte. Ehm   – Presumably when Craig Whyte was mooted as coming in as the new owner – for the grand sum of £1 – for Rangers Football club, presumably the SFA took a keen interest in this and did some kind of due diligence on this man.

SR Well we have under our articles, Article 10.2, we have a process which sets out a number of criteria for what defines a fit and proper person within football. Now as you know we cannot stop people getting involved with a business and we cannot stop people getting involved with a PLC, all we can stop them doing is having an involvement with football, so what we do as part of that process is we ask for a declaration from the Directors of the club that they have a copy of the Articles,, that they have gone through the conditions and criteria within Article 10.2 and they have confirmed to us that they meet those criteria. If subsequently those criteria are breached then of course we take appropriate action.

AT You keep quoting rules back to me that’s not what I’m asking, I’m asking is did the SFA conduct any due diligence on this individual.

SR No we asked for a self-declaration from the Directors of the club and the individual himself.

AT Forgive me that sounds absolutely incredible this is the biggest club in Scotland which has been brought to its knees by a whole range of fiscal mismanagement, it is all on the record and proven. A new man comes in claiming all kinds of things, just like the previous man, and the SFA did not check or do any due diligence whatsoever.

SR That is part of the process of governing football, we

AT That’s, that’s NOT governing football that’s the exact opposite to governing football that’s running away from governing football.

SR No if you let me, if you let me finish my answer the point I am about to make is we govern the entire game from the top of the game down to grass roots. We have changes of Directors we have changes of ownership throughout the course of the year. I’m sure that if we were to spend football’s well earned money on doing investigations into potentially every change of Director, then there would be a lot of unhappy Chairmen out there.

AT You could have easily have googled (?) for free

SR Well we rely on the clubs telling us that the Articles have been complied with and that is the process we undertake.

AT This is extraordinary I say to you again  you have years of fiscal mismanagement at Rangers Football Club, a new man comes in you are telling me that nobody at The SFA as much as got on to Google  to get any background information nobody did anything ? That is extraordinary.

SR Well you refer to alleged years of financial mismanagement. I think it’s important to separate out the previous regime at Rangers and the new owner.

AT Rangers were a mess financially everybody new that

SR But I think it’s important in the case of the point you are raising regarding the fit and proper person test, to separate out the previous regime from the new owner. The club was in the process of being sold, they were challenging a tax bill that had been challenged by HMRC,* and the club had been sold to a new owner. That new owner had come in, he had purchased the club, the paper work for that sale had gone through and the club had complied with our Articles of Association. We run football we don’t, we are not the police we don’t govern transactions, we don’t govern fitness, we run football and we had asked the club to declare whether or not that person was fit to hold a place in association football. They had gone through the articles they’d signed to say that they had read those articles and that there had been no breaches of any of the points set out there. That included whether a Director had been disqualified. That wasn’t disclosed to us, indeed it did not come out until the BBC did their investigation back in October of last year.

(* note that in spite of all the “givens” listed earlier,  Mr Regan fails to distinguish (or appreciate) that there is more than one tax bill at play and the one for the wee tax case was not under challenge or Sherriff Officers would not have called in August 2011 to collect it.)

 AT So the BBC did due diligence on fitness (??) not the SFA?

SR No, as I said it came out in October 2010 primarily as a result of a detailed investigation. We then have to respond to potential breaches of our articles and we did that We entered into dialogue with the solicitor who was acting for Mr Whyte and we were in dialogue until February 2011 (?sic)  of this year when the club entered administration.

AT What I’m simply asking you to admit here is that the SFA failed and it failed Rangers in its hour of need over Craig Whyte and it failed Scottish football.

SR We didn’t fail.

AT You didn’t do anything, you said you didn’t do anything.

SR We complied with the current processes within our articles. That said I think there are a number of learnings and I think the same goes for football right across the globe. People are coming into football into a multimillion pound business and I think football needs to take a harder look at what could be done differently. We are currently exploring the possibility of carrying out due diligence using the outgoing regime to make sure that there is a full and rigorous research being done before the transaction is allowed to go ahead.

AT Do you feel the need to apologise to Rangers fans?

SR I don’t need to apologise because we complied with our articles. I don’t feel there is a need to apologise whatsoever. I think….

AT You need some new articles then don’t you?

SR Well I think the articles

AT Well let’s unpack this. You said there is no need to apologise because we followed the rule books so that’s all right. So you must therefore admit you need a new rule book.

SR No well I think it’s easy at times to try and look around and find a scapegoat and try and point fingers at where blame is to be apportioned. I think perhaps it might be worth looking at the previous regime who for four years when they said they were selling the club, said that they would sell it and act in the best interests of the club. With that in mind I think the previous regime also have to take some responsibility for selling that club and looking after so called shareholders of Rangers football club and those people who that have put money into the club over the years.

AT ??  (Interrupted)

SR the Scottish FA, as I said have a process, that process has been place for some time. It has worked very very well until now I think there are learnings undoubtably and as I said we will review where we can tighten up as I know is happening across the game right now.

The above segment on Craig Whyte and Fit and Proper  Persons is a timely reminder to supporters of all clubs, but particularly of Rangers FC of what happens when those charged with governing Scottish football hide behind the letter of the rules when convenient, rather than apply the true spirit in which those rules were written. It is the approach of The Pharisees to make a wrong , right.

To be fair to the SFA though, I doubt anyone could have imagined the degree of deceit and deception that they had allowed into Scottish football in May 2011 and how useless their rules were as a result, but I am not aware to this day if the SFA have apologised to Scottish football generally and Rangers supporters in particular, not only for failing to protect them from Craig Whyte, but also failing to protect them from the consequences of the foolish financial excesses of Sir David Murray, especially from 2008 when the tax bills in respect of the MMGRT ebts began to arrive at RFC . Some intervention then, assuming something was known by some at the SFA, who also held positions at Rangers, of  those  huge tax demands,  might have cost Rangers three titles from 2009, but what Ranger’s supporter would not give all of that up to protect their club from the fate that the failure of the SFA to govern has caused?

Also to be fair the SFA have changed the rules so that the outgoing regime is responsible for doing due diligence on any new club owners rather than relying on self-certification by the incoming club owner, but we know that did not work particularly well when Rangers Chairman Alistair Johnstone did due diligence on Craig Whyte , but then again Sir David Murray  was under pressure to sell and the guy coming in, everyone was told, had wealth off the radar.

The Nature of EBTS.

AT Let’s look at EBTs. Did nobody question ebts in the Scottish game in the English game come to that simply because nobody thought they were illegal in any way and indeed are not illegal in any way if operated correctly? Is it as simple as that?

SR There is nothing wrong with ebts when used correctly and ebts are a way of providing benefits to employees and if managed in a correct manner are perfectly legitimate. I think that the issue that we know is under investigation at the moment by both HMRC as part of the large tax case and the SPL as part of their own investigation into potential no disclosure of side letters is whether or not there has been any wrong doing and I think the issue at hand is that wrongdoing or potential wrongdoing has been discussed with HMRC for some time for several years in fact so we would not get involved in anything that there is no wrongdoing   taking place and ebts are, as I said, a legitimate way of doing business when used correctly.

Again taking the “givens” into account, particularly the significant event of Sherriff Officers calling to collect unpaid tax in August 2011 and the logical deduction that the SFA President must have known of the difference between the two types of ebts Rangers used, (and perhaps why they were changed) why the insistence at this point that all the ebts used by Rangers had been used correctly? Mr Regan at the time of the interview was either kept in the dark by his President, given he claims to have spoken to no one about the independence of the enquiry, or being economical with the truth.

The whole of Lord Nimmo Smith’s judgement made months after this interview, where Mr Regan stressed again and again there is no wrongdoing in the use of ebts if arranged correctly (or lawfully) is predicated on all ebts with side letters used by Rangers since 23 November 2011 actually being used correctly and in Lord Nimmo Smiths words on being “themselves not irregular”. (Para 5 of Annex 1). It is almost as if Mr Regan knew the outcome before Lord Nimmo Smith.

(In fact the ebt to Tor Andre Flo had a side letter dated 23 November and it related to a tax arrangement that had not been used correctly (using Regan’s own words) The irregular ebt for Ronald De Boer with a side letter of 30 August was placed beyond the scope of the Commission because in spite of it meeting the criteria specified by Harper MacLeod in March 2012 asking to be provided with ALL ebts and side letters and any other related documentation from July 1998 to date (including the HMRC letter of Feb 2011 that fully demonstrated that those particular ebts under  the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust (REBT) were not used correctly) and so were unlawful, NONE  of that documentation was  provided when requested.

This enabled Lord Nimmo Smith to state in para 107 of his Decision “while there is no question of dishonesty, individual or corporate” which is a statement he could not have made had he had all the requested documentation denied to him either by dishonesty or negligence during the preparation of his Commission.

How would he have had to judge one wonders if deception and dishonesty was indeed the factor we now ken that it is?

 

What exactly were the consequences of the failure to provide Lord Nimmo Smith with the required documentation?

It is stated in the Decision (Annex 1 para 104) that the Inquiry proceeded on the basis that the EBT arrangements (by which it meant the MGMRT ebts) were “lawful”. As it transpired the outcome of the FTT decision announced in November 2012 was that the MGMRT ebts indeed were (although this is still under appeal by HMRC.)

However, because Lord Nimmo Smith treated the MGMRT and the Earlier Trust (REBT) as one and the same, (para 35 of Decision) this meant that the Inquiry failed to distinguish between the two trusts and necessarily treated the Earlier Trust as also being lawful (without however having properly investigated its operation). However, the MGMRT and the earlier REBT were two separate trusts and there was no necessary reason to treat them as one and the same. Had evidence relating to the REBT been produced and examined, the Inquiry could hardly have treated them) as “continuous” or allowed Lord Nimmo Smith to say “we are not aware that they were different trusts“(Annex 1 para 35)

From the Decision (Annex 1 para 40), it would appear that the President of the SFA gave evidence only as to his knowledge of the MGMRT (not the REBT). We know now that the President of the SFA had knowledge of the Earlier Trust (sitting on the RFC remuneration policy committee that agreed to their use in 1999 and indeed was active in its setting up). Why the President failed to volunteer such crucial information is surely something he should now be asked?

By the time of the Inquiry, Rangers FC had already conceded liability in what has become known as “the Wee Tax Case” (which related to the now unlawful REBTs). Having regard to the wording at para 104 of the Decision (that is an echo of what Regan stressed to Alex Thomson about ebts) where it is said that to arrange financial affairs in a manner “within the law” is not a breach of the SFA/SPL Rules) the clear implication, must be that to arrange financial affairs in such a way that they are not lawful, must be a breach of the rules.

Given the admission of liability in the Wee Tax Case, payments made in respect of the REBT could not be “lawful” (to employ the language used in the Decision) or disputed, but Mr Regan presumably did not enquire too much into the history of the wee tax case before agreeing to talk to Alex Thomson.

It will be obvious from the above that the unlawful nature of REBTs had been masked from SPL lawyers and Lord Nimmo Smith as a result of:-

(a) the failure by the Administrators of Rangers FC to provide the documentation required of them;

(b) the failure of the President of the SFA to provide to the Inquiry his own knowledge of, involvement in, and presumably as a result of it, an appreciation of the differences between the two types of ebts and the consequences thereof for the investigation.  

Had the REBT been the sole subject of the Inquiry (rather than in effect not being examined at all) the following must have been different:-

(i)            the President could hardly have failed to give testimony of his knowledge and involvement;

(ii)          the Inquiry could not have held that the use of the REBT ebts was lawful;

(iv)       the “no sporting advantage” decision given in respect of the lawful ebts could not have been applied to unlawful ebts.

The real issue in the case of the unlawful ebts was not one of misregistration (Annex 1 para 104) which in turn justified the no sporting advantage decision in paras 105/106 but of paying players by an unlawful means which “constitutes such a fundamental defect (Annex 1 para 88) that the registration of players paid this way (i.e. unlawfully) must be treated as having been invalid from the outset.

Had the true nature of these early ebts been known to SPL lawyers the Terms of Reference of the Investigation would have to have addressed the wrong doing that Mr Regan was so keen to argue with Alex Thomson had not actually occurred (long before Lord Nimmo Smith agreed with him) or had President Ogilvie made the distinction in his testimony, it would have been impossible for Sandy Bryson’s to advise as he did regarding the effect on eligibility. He would have to have been asked questions about two types of ebts not one. Finally Lord Nimmo Smith could not have treated both as continuous.

Finally, given this incidence of non-disclosure by the Rangers Administrators (an identifiable trait of RFC dealings with authority from August 2000 to date), it is impossible to see how paragraph 107 (wherein it is stated that there is “no question of dishonesty”) can be allowed to remain unchallenged.

Of course the failure to supply the key evidence could just be an oversight given Rangers Administrators were hardly likely to have established of their own volition the importance of the documents to the enquiry and yet, had they been supplied, the enquiry could not have been based on the defence Stewart Regan was at such pains to stress in his interview with Alex Thomson at a time only 3 months after Mr Regan and Campbell Ogilvie had joined Craig Whyte for dinner as a result of an invite prompted by questions on the SFA UEFA Licence handling of the wee tax case , created by the very same unlawful ebts.

AT But as the governing body why did you not say to Rangers “look guys this this smells really bad, this looks bad you look (and you have admitted you have not paid your tax) you know we can’t do this, we have got to be open and above board, it looks bad.

SR Well think you need to look at what is legal and above board. At the time the club, were in dispute with HMRC. There was a tax case ongoing the new owner was in discussion with HMRC. In fact he has made comments and the club have made comments to that effect and because the amount was not crystallised under UEFA guidelines, whilst ever it’s in dispute it’s not classed as overdue.

AT Sometimes

SR So you need to separate out the licensing requirement, which is what the Licensing Committee did, from the tax that was owed to HMRC which is as we know what is still ongoing.

Mr Regan was not being accurate here.  The Big Tax case was in dispute and the bill has not crystallised as a result. However the wee tax case crystallised in mid June 2011 and at 30th June 2011, the UEFA licence checkpoint under Article 66 of UEFA FFP, did not meet the conditions to excuse it as being an overdue payable to HMRC. Quite how the SFA handled the processing of the Article 66 submission from RFC is subject to a resolution asking UEFA to investigate put to the Celtic AGM in November 2013 which is still in progress. As has been mentioned twice before Mr Regan has either been kept in the dark or was being less than honest with Alex Thomson. Interestingly Andrew Dickson who has been at Rangers in various administration and executive capacity since 1991 sat on 3 of the four UEFA Licensing Committee meetings during 2011. He may of course have excused himself from any discussions on this matter as the rules allowed, but was a full explanation why he did so, if indeed he did, offered? Would such an explanation have enlightened Mr Regan of what he was dealing with?

AT Sometimes things can be within the rules but from a PR point of view, indeed from a moral point of view, hate to introduce morality to football but can be the wrong thing to do. You would accept that?

SR Well I think that football around the world is going through a difficult time, clubs are in difficult financial circumstances, not just in Scotland, you look down into England and look at the clubs in Administration at the moment. You know Portsmouth and Port Vale in recent times and I think Plymouth is as well again. As far as that is concerned you know that indicates that clubs are living from hand to mouth and there are deals being done all the time with HMRC, payment plans being agreed. There is huge amounts of debt in football.

AT I’m just inviting you to accept that sometimes things can be within the rules but just look bad because morally, they are bad.

ST I think when taxes aren’t paid ehm VAT in particular, National Insurance Contributions of course that’s bad and I think we accept that and we know that in the current regime there is evidence to suggest that Rangers has not paid its taxes since Mr Whyte took over the club. That’s wrong that is against the spirit of the game and certainly we would look to deal with that and stamp out that type of behaviour which is not acting with integrity.

If Carlsberg did irony!

End of Interview.

The Hard Not to Believe Conclusions

There is always the danger in examining anything of finding what you want to be there rather than what is there and it is a danger any writer has to be aware of, but given the responses from Harper MacLeod on TSFM and the total lack of response from the SPFL and SFA when being informed of the missing evidence along with what has been written here it is hard not to conclude that the Lord Nimmo Smith Inquiry was deliberately set up in such a way as to produce two results

  • The minimising of the wrongful behaviour that had taken place from 1999 to 2012 when The Commission sat
  • The avoidance of the consequences of admitting that serious wrongdoing in the form of illegal payments had been made via irregular EBTs, which consequently made the players involved ineligible from the outset, making the Bryson ruling inapplicable in those cases with the consequences of that ineligibility on trophies and remuneration won.

The reader will find it hard not to conclude that either

  • there was a huge screw up by the SPL lawyers charged to set up the Commission which they might be able to defend
  • or
  • Vital knowledge was concealed within the SFA itself in order to achieve the above two results and
  • This knowledge was deliberately concealed because had it not been The Inquiry could not have come to the conclusion it did on player eligibility, not only because unlawful ebts were used in early instances, but also because the deliberate concealment from HMRC of the side letters to De Boer and Flo, the former also kept from Harper and MacLeod, suggests Rangers knew all along and in 2005 in particular that what they were doing since 2000 was morally wrong and against the spirit of the game. It perhaps also explains why HMRC is determined to push an appeal all the way.
  • This failure to supply all documents meant that the line being taken by Mr Regan in March 2012, when the Commission was being set up into the use of ebts and failure to register them with the SFA, came to fulfilment in the Decision of Lord Nimmo Smith himself, achieving the two aims suggested above.

Given that Harper MacLeod have said they passed on to the SFA in September 2014 the evidence kept from them by Rangers Administrators, has Stewart Regan spoken to either Ogilvie or Dickson since then about keeping him in the dark? Or did he know all along?

Of course these hard to believe conclusions could be discounted as delusional ramblings if either the SFA or SPFL were to say they would investigate the evidence kept from Harper MacLeod. It would also help if only one of the thirteen main stream journalists would look at the hard copy of the concealed documents they were provided with, because until someone who values sporting integrity does, the stench of corruption will hang over Scottish football for years to reek out anytime the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission is used as a justification for anything that it contains.

Annex One – Extracts from Lord Nimmo Smith Decision

[5] Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in

breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;

 

Outline of the Scheme

 

[35] As we have said, a controlling interest in Oldco was held by David Murray through the medium of Murray MHL Limited, part of the Murray Group of companies. Murray Group Management Limited (MGM) provided management services to the companies of the Murray Group. By deed dated 20 April 2001 MGM set up the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust (the MGMRT). (We note that the MGMRT was preceded by the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust, but we are not aware that they were different trusts. We shall treat them as a continuous trust, which we shall refer to throughout as the MGMRT.)

 

[40] Mr Ogilvie learnt about the existence of the MGMRT in about 2001 or 2002, because a contribution was made for his benefit. He understood that this was non-contractual. Although as a result he knew about the existence of the MGMRT, he did not know any details of it. He subsequently became aware, while he remained director of Oldco, that contributions were being made to the MGMRT in respect of players. He assumed that these were made in respect of the players’ playing football, which was the primary function for which they were employed and remunerated. He had no involvement in the organisation or management of Oldco’s contributions to the MGMRT, whether for players or otherwise. He said:

“I assumed that all contributions to the Trust were being made legally, and that any relevant football regulations were being complied with. I do not recall contributions to the Trust being discussed in any detail, if at all, at Board meetings. In any event, Board meetings had become less and less frequent by my later years at Rangers.”

He also said: “Nothing to do with the contributions being made to the Trust fell within the scope of my remit at Rangers”.

However it should be noted that Mr Ogilvie was a member of the board of directors who approved the statutory accounts of Oldco which disclosed very substantial payments made under the EBT arrangements.

 

[88] In our opinion, this was a correct decision by Mr McKenzie. There is every reason why the rules of the SFA and the SPL relating to registration should be construed and applied consistently with each other. Mr Bryson’s evidence about the position of the SFA in this regard was clear. In our view, the Rules of the SPL, which admit of a construction consistent with those of the SFA, should be given that construction. All parties’ concerned – clubs, players and footballing authorities – should be able to proceed on the faith of an official register. This means that a player’s registration should generally be treated as standing unless and until revoked. There may be extreme cases in which there is such a fundamental defect that the registration of a player must be treated as having been invalid from the outset. But in the kind of situation that we are dealing with here we are satisfied that the registration of the Specified Players with the SPL was valid from the outset, and accordingly that they were eligible to play in official matches. There was therefore no breach of SPL Rule D1.11.

 

[104] As we have already explained, in our view the purpose of the Rules applicable to Issues 1 to 3 is to promote the sporting integrity of the game. These rules are not designed as any form of financial regulation of football, analogous to the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. Thus it is not the purpose of the Rules to regulate how one football club may seek to gain financial and sporting advantage over others. Obviously, a successful club is able to generate more income from gate money, sponsorship, advertising, sale of branded goods and so on, and is consequently able to offer greater financial rewards to its manager and players, in the hope of even more success. Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law – so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme. The SPL presented no argument to challenge the decision of the majority of the Tax Tribunal and Mr McKenzie stated expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. Accordingly we proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful. What we are concerned with is the fact that the side-letters issued to the Specified Players, in the course of the operation of the EBT scheme, were not disclosed to the SPL and the SFA as required by their respective Rules.

[105] It seems appropriate in the first place to consider whether such breach by non-disclosure conferred any competitive advantage on Rangers FC. Given that we have held that Rangers FC did not breach Rule D1.11 by playing ineligible players, it did not secure any direct competitive advantage in that respect. If the breach of the rules by non-disclosure of the side-letters conferred any competitive advantage, that could only have been an indirect one. Although it is clear to us from Mr Odam’s evidence that Oldco’s failure to disclose the side-letters to the SPL and the SFA was at least partly motivated by a wish not to risk prejudicing the tax advantages of the EBT scheme, we are unable to reach the conclusion that this led to any competitive advantage. There was no evidence before us as to whether any other members of the SPL used similar EBT schemes, or the effect of their doing so. Moreover, we have received no evidence from which we could possibly say that Oldco could not or would not have entered into the EBT arrangements with players if it had been required to comply with the requirement to disclose the arrangements as part of the players’ full financial entitlement or as giving rise to payment to players. It is entirely possible that the EBT arrangements could have been disclosed to the SPL and SFA without prejudicing the argument – accepted by the majority of the Tax Tribunal at paragraph 232 of their decision – that such arrangements, resulting in loans made to the players, did not give rise to payments absolutely or unreservedly held for or to the order of the individual players. On that basis, the EBT arrangements could have been disclosed as contractual arrangements giving rise to a facility for the player to receive loans, and there would have been no breach of the disclosure rules.

[106] We therefore proceed on the basis that the breach of the rules relating to disclosure did not give rise to any sporting advantage, direct or indirect. We do not therefore propose to consider those sanctions which are of a sporting nature.

[107] We nevertheless take a serious view of a breach of rules intended to promote sporting integrity. Greater financial transparency serves to prevent financial irregularities. There is insufficient evidence before us to enable us to draw any conclusion as to exactly how the senior management of Oldco came to the conclusion that the EBT arrangements did not require to be disclosed to the SPL or the SFA. In our view, the apparent assumption both that the side-letter arrangements were entirely discretionary, and that they did not form part of any player’s contractual entitlement, was seriously misconceived. Over the years, the EBT payments disclosed in Oldco’s accounts were very substantial; at their height, during the year to 30 June 2006, they amounted to more than £9 million, against £16.7 million being that year’s figure for wages and salaries. There is no evidence that the Board of Directors of Oldco took any steps to obtain proper external legal or accountancy advice to the Board as to the risks inherent in agreeing to pay players through the EBT arrangements without disclosure to the football authorities. The directors of Oldco must bear a heavy responsibility for this. While there is no question of dishonesty, individual or corporate, we nevertheless take the view that the nondisclosure must be regarded as deliberate, in the sense that a decision was taken that the side letters need not be or should not be disclosed. No steps were taken to check, even on a hypothetical basis, the validity of that assumption with the SPL or the SFA. The evidence of Mr Odam (cited at paragraph [43] above) clearly indicates a view amongst the management of Oldco that it might have been detrimental to the desired tax treatment of the payments being made by Oldco to have disclosed the existence of the side-letters to the football authorities.

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About Auldheid

Celtic fan from Glasgow living mostly in Spain. A contributor to several websites, discussion groups and blogs, and a member of the Resolution 12 Celtic shareholders' group. Committed to sporting integrity, good governance, and the idea that football is interdependent. We all need each other in the game.

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  1. PLEASE, PLEASE, Please folks, if you upload an avatar, can you PLEASE put your USERNAME in the filename when you save it on your own machine (or rename it before you upload it) so we can distinguish files?
    Many people are imaginatively entitling their pics “image.***” so we are getting loads of duplicate filenames. Please do not give the pic a title which describes its content. It should describe YOU!!!

    If you upload another file because you are not happy with the first one, please add a number (1,2,3 etc) AFTER the username.

    Thanks folks …

    Anyone who is stuck with this, email sfm@sfm.scot. Attach the pic you want uploaded to the mail and send your username.


  2. A wee test of the Avatar (appropriately with Fishy in it, the latest inductee into the hall of fame) and a very late bid for the rename – Fans Own Scottish Football. The interpretation of the meaning of “own” is deliberately ambiguous.


  3. SFM – the image naming may be a default on tablets. I can’t see how to change it on my iPad. Apple don’t like you playing around with files. I’ll boot the pc up to change it.

    On the ‘season ticket holders get in free” debate, would there not be a means by which the league consider the published gate price for any season tickets used for a play off match and take 50% of that? Any club reducing prices would, therefore, lose out. Are prices set by the league for these games? Are clubs not able to offer reduced pricing at all without losing out?

    This will all become irrelevant when the megabucks sponsorship comes in next season 🙄


  4. Jean7brodie
    La Passionara. ‘Better to die on your feet than to live forever on your knees’. Brilliant avatar.


  5. I may keep my avatar of the clown in the yellow jacket to remind me of the cowardice of the SMSM…..On second thoughts, Nah.


  6. tamjartmarquez says:
    Member: (19 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:27 pm
    Some good opinions on Manager of Year. Agreed all have their merits, I think that Neilson has triumphed by such a margin, in his FIRST post, makes him a candidate for whichever manager poll is being run anywhere on the planet. Doubt if Mourinho, Van Gaal, Big Jock, Alex Ferguson, Matt Busby, Bill Shankly or Walter Smith ? were as successful in their inaugural season of football management. His record as a rookie manager is absolutely outstanding.
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    I ‘voted’ for Neilson as MOTY, but please keep things in perspective.


  7. Caveat Emptor says:
    Member: (9 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:37 pm

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    Viva Espana!!! I spend about three months a year there and love it 😎


  8. Oddjob April 30 at 1:36
    Charlie Endell now that’s going back a bit. ‘Budgie’ brilliant series with the late Adam Faith.liked it so much I named one of my cats after it.They don’t make ’em like that anymore.


  9. helpmaboab says:
    Member: (53 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:42 pm
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    Thanks helpmaboab. Dolores Ibarruri was an amazing woman. My heroine.


  10. upthehoops says:
    Member: (658 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:53 pm
    tamjartmarquez says:
    Member: (19 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:27 pm
    Some good opinions on Manager of Year. Agreed all have their merits, I think that Neilson has triumphed by such a margin, in his FIRST post, makes him a candidate for whichever manager poll is being run anywhere on the planet. Doubt if Mourinho, Van Gaal, Big Jock, Alex Ferguson, Matt Busby, Bill Shankly or Walter Smith ? were as successful in their inaugural season of football management. His record as a rookie manager is absolutely outstanding.
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    I ‘voted’ for Neilson as MOTY, but please keep things in perspective.

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    Up the Hoops, i may be misunderstanding, but are you saying any of the managers I listed had a better introduction to management? I did not mention those managers,hugely successful subsequent careers. I think it would be unfair to compare that with a young managers 1st year. I think you may have misunderstood my point.


  11. I’m only testing my avatar but while I’m here I’d say Deila, Neilson and Hughes for manager of the year…
    Not necessarily in that order…


  12. tamjartmarquez says:
    Member: (20 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    Up the Hoops, i may be understanding, but are you saying any of the managers I listed had a better introduction to management? I did not mention those managers,hugely successful subsequent careers. I think it would be unfair to compare that with a young managers 1st year. I think you may have understood my point.
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    As I’ve said at least twice on here I think he’d be a worthy winner, but his achievement is not at the top level which is where the perspective part comes in. Only my view of course…and as I said earlier it is as worthless as everyone else’s 😆


  13. Evenin’ all I see PMG has a new post up and things are becoming tense again with strong words exchanged about the leaks – SSB tonight suggesting Mycashley is showing an interest in Sevco because he turned up at his own office for The Big Meeting,obviously they didn’t read the same account of the showdown as us.


  14. Bill1903 says:
    Member: (62 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm
    BallyargusBallyargus says:

    April 30, 2015 at 5:35 pm
    Melbournedee, who is your Avtar? He does look familiar but his name escapes me.
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    Looks like a young Jocky Scott to me
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    Indeed, it is Jocky, “sans ‘tache” from around 1968 I believe.


  15. Legia Warsaw have suffered defeat in their final appeal against their effective expulsion from the Champions League at the expense of Celtic.
    The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) dismissed Legia’s claim that UEFA was too severe in its punishment for their fielding of a suspended player against Celtic,

    Does anyone know what powers or laws The Court of Arbitration for Sport has over sport.Or does it just deal with appeals


  16. Melbournedee
    Great photo of Jocky Scott – even as an East Fife fan the picture bring back great memories from my youth. Jeez that is along time ago!


  17. Journalists starting to tweet that no decision will be made on King until next week. I am cynical but I reckon this is because an acceptable form of words for an unacceptable decision have still to be approved.


  18. upthehoops says:
    Member: (660 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
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    Thanks for update upthehoops. I despair!!


  19. upthehoops says:
    Member: (660 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
    Journalists starting to tweet that no decision will be made on King until next week. I am cynical but I reckon this is because an acceptable form of words for an unacceptable decision have still to be approved.

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Well
    I hope the PR numpties at the SFA aint working on the basis that a landslide for the SNP is some kind of offset to King getting turned down as an FPP
    If anything its more likely to enrage the Loonies


  20. jean7brodie says:
    Member: (274 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Viva Espana!!! I spend about three months a year there and love it

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    I’ll second that emotion! Just moved semi permanently to Mojacar in Almeria. Cant believe I left it so long to do so.


  21. Avatar test from a very occasional poster. Keep up the good work all you guys and gals.


  22. upthehoops says:
    April 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
    Journalists starting to tweet that no decision will be made on King until next week. I am cynical but I reckon this is because an acceptable form of words for an unacceptable decision have still to be approved.
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    I refer the honourable member to my comment of 1.09pm today. It looks as if the one week delay may be heading our way after all!


  23. paulsatim says:
    Member: (82 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 10:38 pm
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    Lucky man! 😎 What’s not to like!


  24. Has it been confirmed anywhere that the RRM who provided a loan to pay last month’s wages have done so again?
    I’ve only seen a link to one quote about it. I presume we would have heard by now if there was a problem.


  25. jean7brodiejean7brodie says:
    Member: (275 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 10:20 pm
    upthehoops says:
    Member: (660 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm
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    Thanks for update upthehoops. I despair!!
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    The gist of what was said on Sportsound tonight was that no formal proceedings can begin on the matter before the club asks or indicates it wishes to appoint King. Sounded as though no move made, yet.

    Stuart McCall, who was well spoken and came across as a sympathetic character, was asked about King. ‘Dave who?’ was the response. He’s neither seen him nor had communication with him. A bit odd really, given King’s messianic status.


  26. And without a hint of irony I just clocked Phil’s post amidst watching the last 20 minutes of “Downfall” on BBC4.


  27. A day in the life of a club run by fans, in this case 1874 Northwich.

    http://1874northwich.com/1874-tv/1874tv-portrait-of-a-fans-club

    This is a club where it costs 5 pounds to watch a game of football. Everyone working for the club is a volunteer and you can sponsor the match for less than the cost of a ticket to Man City.

    Northwich Victoria fans founded the club as a breakaway after years of financial mismanagement of the club they loved.

    The split was acrimonious and vitriolic, but going to the 1874 matches now is an entirely different experience, as almost everyone involved with the club is also a part owner.

    If you’re in the North West of England next season and fancy football for a fiver, I’d recommend a trip to 1874 Northwich. It’s a very refreshing antidote to the stench of corruption in football in Scotland.


  28. ianagain says:
    Member: (448 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 11:28 pm

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    Joining the dots in the tea leaves:

    I foresee potential for amicable resolution between those of a hirsute ursine persuasion and Mr.Ashley, not entirely to the detriment of fans of TRFC.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a back channel open already.

    I wonder whether said hirsute ursine(s), having appraised the ‘actualite’ of the situation, and finding this to be other than advertised by the King and his jester, has or have been ‘telegraphing’ Ashley, through McMurdo junior (and possibly Phil) w/o involving ‘short arms’ Dave or ‘potless’ Paul.

    Outcome: Murray gets his head in his hands.
    SFA give King the 2 fingered salute.

    All left standing play nicely together henceforth.

    Stranger thing have happened.

    That SPFL season ticket move? That smacks of pure Ashley to me!
    If it all blows up, that’s the perfect excuse to push Murray off the plank.
    If it rebounds well, then SPFL are diminished and Mash is one step closer to ‘regulatory capture’. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Ashley put PM up to it, with or without his knowledge.

    Because watching 2 of your sworn enemies fight each other to death by exhaustion over the right to call you some rude names… c’mon..?

    I honestly wonder if that is what passes for entertainment in the Ashley household!?


  29. upthehoops says:
    Member: (660 comments)
    April 30, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    Journalists starting to tweet that no decision will be made on King until next week. I am cynical but I reckon this is because an acceptable form of words for an unacceptable decision have still to be approved.
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    4 Possibilities:

    1.Waiting for Kate to drop, or election.
    Both guarantee an avalanche of coverage, into which a few yellow snow balls may safely be disposed.
    This could suggest that ‘level 5’ are on the case.

    2. Decision made. Interested parties informed. Legal action threatened.

    3. Announcement tomorrow. Squirrels being released.

    4. He hasn’t submitted an application. SFA have nothing upon which to rule.

    4 is the worst outcome for the Bears, confirming (a) SA judge was right on the money and (b) mendacious one has not changed one little bit…
    (#…. no no…no no no no…. no no no no… no no there’s no nomad.. etc.)


  30. Avatar test. Plus had to say I was howling at Guidi applauding Ashley for sitting down -for 10 seconds – and suggesting he may plough the tens of millions required into TRFC 🙄


  31. An early morning Friday off rant from me.

    Stuart McCall is quoted today that he is ‘certain’ Dave King will be passed by the SFA in a few days time. Some journalists also alluded last night on Twitter that the SFA will issue their verdict next week. It sounds like a done deal to me, and that a chosen cabal already know.

    As I said earlier, I reckon only the wording of the statement is holding this back, because King fails the SFA guidelines 100% on the basis of his convictions. Any statement is going to have to explain why that has been overlooked. No matter what it says, to me it will mean ‘because we want Rangers to have loads of money and rule over all others, and this guy’s said he is going to give them that.’

    My Celtic season ticket renewal came in yesterday. It renews automatically and has done for almost 20 years now. I do wonder at times what is the point though, as the SFA don’t seem to want a clean, transparent game.


  32. Morning @hoops you and I seem to rise wae the larks 🙂

    About 36min into yesterday’s Guardian Football Podcast they mention that (‘diddy club’) Carpi FC will be playing in Serie A next season. All achieved on a remarkable budget of €2.5m.

    But the really interesting bit was a reference to the Lazio chairman who is, apparently, a high heid yin in Italian fitba. Seems he’s been caught lamenting Carpi’s success in Armageddonesque tones! “Global interest in Serie A dying, noo a diddy club wae a micro budget in a lilliput stadium, aw naw! Wur a’ doomed!” or whatever that is in Italian. Serie A needs a strong Rangers, too :irony:

    Sounds like the condescending patter we’ve heard from pundits wrt to the likes of Accies, ICT, St Johnstone, and other clubs who’ve achieved sporting success on merit without having the benefit of a huge following and the establishment seal of approval.


  33. Danish Pastry says:
    Blog Writer: (1119 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 7:30 am

    Spot on DP. The talking down of the top league this season is an absolute disgrace. Football is a meritocracy and if clubs like Accies, ICT, and St Johnstone have a successful enough model to compete at the highest level then good luck to them. You don’t need to remind me the damage all three have inflicted on my club this season. It is hardly their fault that Rangers and Hearts financially imploded, or that Hibs had a total on field collapse under Terry Butcher. If the media want a top league by invitation only they should tell us. Chick Young said a few nights ago he wants a 16 team league next season. Would he have said that if Rangers were currently sitting where Hearts are?


  34. Danish Pastry says:
    Blog Writer: (1119 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 7:30 am
    Morning @hoops you and I seem to rise wae the larks

    ……………………….

    Eh !!!!!!!??????
    ?????????


  35. upthehoops says:
    Member: (662 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 8:22 am

    Chick Young said a few nights ago he wants a 16 team league next season. Would he have said that if Rangers were currently sitting where Hearts are?
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    I can fully understand Chick Young’s position on a 16 team league next season. Not only would his favourite team be participating in it, but so would his kiddy-on favourite team. Win-win for Chico.


  36. Oh, what a short memory you have Grandma !

    As we approach two months since the EGM, You’ve got to wonder how the vote would have gone if King and Murray (P) has presented a more realistic manifesto:

    1. Lose Nomad

    2. Lose Auditor

    3. Lose AIM listing

    4. Fail to gain ISDX listing

    5. Need T3B £1.5mil unsecured loan in March to avoid Administration

    6. Need £1.5mil unsecured loan in April to avoid Administration – from God knows where

    7. Zero medium / long term financial plan

    8. Zero cash input from King – let alone 50/0 investment

    9. Zero investment attracted from RRM and other investors

    10. Zero warchest

    11. No SFA Fit and Proper judgement on King or Murray (P)

    12. Team rejuvenated by Ashley’s NUFC loaner(s), but still third

    13. Llambias and Leach still under investigation as they tend their roses at great expense

    14. Zero ”total transparency, total honesty and total openness” from Murray (P)

    15. Zero “absolute transparency and accountability” from King

    16. Zero control over their precious trademarks without producing £5mil cash to buy them back

    How many EGM voters would have embraced the new regime faced with these outcomes. Maybe not even T3B, in which case Administration could have been a real possibility a month ago.

    Oh, what big lies you tell Grandma!


  37. http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org/

    The link is to a new organisation seeking to use analytics to identify corruption in football. I found it quite interesting, and maybe relevant to Scottish football in a few respects.

    A few of the issues they identify (pulled from a very long list!)-

    “If institutional bodies decide on winners and losers according to private agendas of power and marketing,
    If institutional bodies incorporate systemic corruptions at top levels of the game;
    If institutional bodies established to monitor insider trading and matchfixing are infrastructurally compromised,
    If there are no global, EU or governmental actions to confront these corruptions:

    If clubs, owners, managers, referees, agents, administrators and players bet on the outcomes of games,
    If clubs exert power over lesser clubs in the same leagues with agreed outcomes being the norm;
    If clubs focus more on unearthing lucrative marketing deals than on winning trophies,
    If clubs built on debt can only survive by matchfixing their games:

    If the Fit-and-Proper-Person Test results in clubs being owned by entirely unfit and entirely improper individuals,
    If owners take over clubs to asset strip and to monetise the debris via inversion capitalism;
    If money laundering, fraud, utilisation of offshore financial centres and beneficial ownership is the norm,
    If clubs are held offshore for tax and/or regulatory avoidance to the benefit of the owners:

    If fans and the public are kept in the dark about all these machinations due to a blackout by the mainstream media,
    If there is nowhere for whistleblowers to go with information about corruptions;
    If the reward for being a criminalised player is a lifelong role as a media analyst or commentator,
    If huge fortunes are being made while meritocracy is always trumped by the performativity of corrupt practices:

    Then FOOTBALL IS FIXED as is everything within it,
    And – what is more – ’tis merely high stakes poker, my son.”


  38. upthehoops 6:36 am

    You’re probably right. At the very least the MSM and the likes of McCall are attempting to manage expectations and make it more difficult for the SFA to reach the correct decision. Have they any credibility left to lose?


  39. Bryce Curdy says:
    Member: (105 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 10:08 am

    Have they any credibility left to lose?

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    If King is pronounced Fit & Proper I expect TRFC to field 15 players against Hearts – ffs – 11 a side is just a fecking SFA rule – wtf.

    “Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men”, Douglas Bader


  40. I don’t think Chic Young`s dream of a sixteen team top league next season is remotely possible. The dates for the playoffs have been announced, and a deal done with BT to televise all the ties.
    To proceed with the playoffs, and then implement a sixteen team league regardless, would be ludicrous.
    But then………………


  41. I’ve enjoyed the referee debate over the last couple of weeks but I want to pose a question.

    If the money worries are as bad as several people are suggesting, could it be that King is deliberately delaying any fit and proper decision just in case TRFC maybe go in to admin after the end of the season.
    If I remember rightly, points deductions for admin after the end of the season apply to the following one? That way TRFC would still get in to the playoffs and have the chance to get in to the top league.

    I’m sure someone with the knowledge can confirm this or not


  42. Great wee recruitment tool, the avatar thingy . No ?


  43. Before people go off on one about the Three Aunt Sallys with respect to the Murray Fit & proper decision. This decision was taken by the professional game board, whose members are:

    Stewart Regan
    Campbell Ogilvie
    Alan McRae
    Rod Petrie
    Neil Doncaster
    Peter Lawwell
    Dr Andrew Waddell
    Sandy Stables
    Michael Johnston
    Bill Darroch
    Duncan Fraser


  44. If true, disappointed in McCall discussing King’s status.
    McCoist, through circumstances, had some justification for getting involved and commenting on boardroom matters but McCall has more important things to worry about on the field and should really have politely told the stenographers to GTF.

    As discussed earlier in the year re the Tonev incident and others there are times when the folk on the footballing side of things would be best keeping their mouth shut and if required clubs need to put up a spokesperson or a board member to deal with other issues that are not directly related to footballing matters.


  45. Breaking news ,P.Murray has appealed the FPP decision,demanding names of who could in their right mind arrive at this ridiculous result.


  46. Paul Murray satisfies fit and proper criteria
    Friday, 01 May 2015

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    I know now why all the fans are smiling and laughing on the Scottish FA homepage announcing the above travesty.


  47. Member: (1191 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 12:32 pm
    Before people go off on one about the Three Aunt Sallys with respect to the Murray Fit & proper decision. This decision was taken by the professional game board, whose members are:

    Stewart Regan
    Campbell Ogilvie
    Alan McRae
    Rod Petrie
    Neil Doncaster
    Peter Lawwell
    Dr Andrew Waddell
    Sandy Stables
    Michael Johnston
    Bill Darroch
    Duncan Fraser

    6 1 Rate This
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    Scapaflow, I presume this was a majority decision?


  48. senior says:
    Member: (40 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    “Scapaflow, I presume this was a majority decision?” That is something we will never, ever, know 😉 These guys could give lessons to the Mafia when it comes to the Code of Omerta

    sannoffymesssoitizz says:
    Member: (54 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Aye, Mike Ashley is a real hero


  49. scapaflow says:
    Member: (1191 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    Not unexpected

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    TBH I always thought that PM was a shoe in w.r.t. FPP

    He could advance a robust legal argument that his actions under the tenure of Whyte were consistent with appropriate behavior – i.e. he mouthed off and then resigned, and did not serve during the period when PAYE was withheld. And he vociferously opposed Whyte’s takeover.

    Clearly, being involved with deadco during the EBTs and improper player registrations really should have counted against him, and would have in anything other than the kangaroo set up that is Scottish Football governance.

    However, so long as the SFAs president continues in office while being similarly emburdened with suhc guilt, PM would have very good grounds for advancing a strong legal challenge if rejected on this basis, imo.

    DCK has no such defence.
    Leaving aside his tax convictions, he has a record of complicity in improper actions (withholding of PAYE, insolvent trading) while in a position in a capacity that is junior to the appointment that he is seeking.

    His application for FPP could be dismissed out of hand, and he would have no basis for legal recourse w.r.t objecting in the circumstances imo.

    Whether it will be is another matter.

    But no legal worries for the SFA if they do decide to do the right thing.

    So they will need to find another excuse for doing the worng thing this time, should they go down that road.


  50. Too Corrupt to be Overtly Competent and Too Incompetent to be Covertly Corrupt

    Of course Murray (P) is 100% suitable to be a director of “Rangers Football Club” – if only they were not in liquidation.

    But when will the SFA judge on his suitability to be a director of Rangers International Football Club plc and/or The Rangers Football Club Ltd.

    The Scottish FA can confirm that at a meeting of the Professional Game Board (PGB) on Thursday, 30th April, consideration was given to the Fit and Proper status of Mr Paul Murray as a director of Rangers Football Club in respect of Article 10.2 of the Articles of Association.

    http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=14691


  51. Paul Murray was a shoe in to be passed. He is a real Rangers man in every sense which grants him a superior status not afforded to other people. King is also a shoe in to be passed in my view, except even the SFA know they won’t get away with such a bland, non transparent set of words. Anything they say will be ridiculous, but ultimately King will be free to do as he pleases.


  52. Actually, whether its a majority decision or not is irrelevant. In the, highly unlikely (in my view), event, that someone or other objected, they are bound by collective responsibility.

    If this decision has breached the ethical code of any of the professional game board members, then the only honourable course of action open to them, is resignation.

    I will not be holding my breath :mrgreen:


  53. scapaflow says:
    Member: (1193 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 1:23 pm
    Actually, whether its a majority decision or not is irrelevant. In the, highly unlikely (in my view), event, that someone or other objected, they are bound by collective responsibility.

    If this decision has breached the ethical code of any of the professional game board members, then the only honourable course of action open to them, is resignation.

    I will not be holding my breath
    ======================================

    Me neither, but if there are a couple of dissenting voices, and they did resign, then the rest really will be free to do anything they want.


  54. I known we have been round the houses a few times on this one, but my understanding of the phoenix company situation is that a new company has the same name as the old company AND has the same directors. Clearly the reason why the new club has the same name is to convey the impression that it the old club, and the same people now have a beneficial interest in the new club.

    I know company law isn’t exactly set up for maximum integrity, but it does appear intuitively to me that Murray and/or King being appointed as directors triggers the phoenix status of Newco.


  55. upthehoops says:
    Member: (664 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    I know, but unfortunately, that brings us right back to the collusion argument. If you really believe in something, surely its better to take a stand and do the right thing, rather than be gulled by expediency? (Or worse, try and distance yourself from a decision you essentially agree with by nudges and winks.)

    Think of the rallying cry, that a football exec actually acting on principle would be, now that would start a revolution.


  56. Well now PM has passed the test,no doubt he will provide the next loan.


  57. There has to be some point to Paul Murray. He must serve some purpose. There must be a reason why he has clung onto Sevco’s apron strings, but for the life of me I cannot figure out what it is.


  58. Ask if any of them would like to provide a loan through a Company Benefit Trust.


  59. Esteban says:
    Member: (88 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Re Paul Murray
    To be fair to the guy he did try and warn folks about Whyte and also, aided by Brian Kennedy, spoke out about the dangers of letting D&P sell out to Green.
    He tried to put things in motion for alternative bids both times but failed.
    He has spoken some mince about his time on the SDM board and his role (I have doubt no he and others were merely filling the required number of seats in the Blue Room) but I do think he gets the need try and cut costs and live within their means.

    In my view he is a guy who loves his club and while he talks a good game he is still a bit of a lightweight and clearly does not have any financial clout of his own to make things happen.

    They could do a lot worse that Paul Murray.
    That’s why they are hell bent on wanting King to be top dog!!


  60. scapaflow says May 1 2015 @ 1.35 p.mg
    ‘ …..think of the rallying cry….now that would start a revolution.’
    ———————–
    As I may have remarked before, no one is required to make a present of his life to his enemies!
    Particularly when those enemies are supported by a lying, hostile SMSM.


  61. wottpi says:
    Member: (591 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 2:09 pm
    ==============================

    I have to disagree on Paul Murray. His last interview was nothing other than WATP nonsense, albeit politely spoken. He sat on a board which introduced EBT’s, some of which have already been proven to be illegal. He was part of a board which deliberately withheld details of player payments to the SFA.

    If this was ANY other club Murray would not have been entertained in my view. The almost certain acceptance of King will follow.

    Scottish football governance is broken beyond repair.


  62. John Clark says:
    Member: (819 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Collusion always produces meaningful change


  63. BigPink@ 1.29 p.m.says
    ‘,,.it does appear to me…..that triggers the phoenix status of Newco.
    ——-
    And it no doubt appears thus to HMRC!
    The law as it is written was ,no doubt, framed by
    the kind of MPs who are themselves cheats at
    heart in defence of their own personal interests or
    those of the fat- fee -paying lobbyists they actually
    represent (rather than their constituents).
    Even so, we can surely expect HMRC to be looking to claw back from the ‘bastard’ same club, the whopping amount that the disreputable knight of the realm cheated the tax-payer out of?


  64. wottpi says:
    Member: (591 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Thanks for your answer. I fear I have not made myself clear.

    My puzzlement is not about the levels of love Paul Murray had for the club he helped liquidate or about why his heart now beats for Sevco. That’s entirely up to him and none of my business.

    What I am wondering is what the people in the shadows with the slits in their jackets for dorsal fins gain from having Paul Murray in place. What does he bring to the party?


  65. Would anybody on here be really that surprised if ‘sir’ dave & al the yank were next to take a seat on the board ? Or even if ‘calm bull’ retired back to his old haunt ?
    Let’s face it the MBB & CG have done their part and she’d the debt … Now all the need is one more admin and that’s them two steps away from the oldco and cleansed
    Someone stated on RTC way back that to do the Phoenix properly it must be done twice !!


  66. upthehoops says:
    Member: (665 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    Esteban says:
    Member: (89 comments)
    May 1, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    I take and agree with your point about the recent WATP type message but the fact remains he was appointed to the board as a non-exec in 2007. The EBT’s were well in place by then. (The DOS 2000-2003 and the EBT’s 2001 – 2010). While I agree it is perhaps not acceptable, he can easily say nowt to do with him. He is then backed up by the likes of Bain and Johnson who appear to agree SDM just did what he liked. Therefore while he was part of the board I doubt he had any real clout.

    Given the manner in which a number of clubs are run by one or two strong individuals I believe that many underlings would pass FPP tests if they had to being they would not necessarily be judged by the actions of the dictators.

    As Esteban asks, what exactly does Paul Murray bring to the party. In my view not a lot and that, along with his Rangersness, is why he is probably a non-controversial figure in the eyes of the SFA.

    Like I said – far bigger fish to fry and get worked up about.


  67. STV Sport ‏@STVSport 23 secs24 seconds ago
    Paul Murray ruled a fit and proper person by @ScottishFA to be a director of @RangersFC http://bit.ly/dslPvw
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Stop Press

    Compliance Officer has charged Paul Murray with breaking the Bryson rule
    i.e.

    Nobody can be cleared for having a side letter to their EBT until the date on which that side letter is discovered
    Meaning
    No punishment going forward from the date on which a retrospective offence is discovered
    So for FPP Applications
    Nobody can be cleared as a FPP until the date on which their unfitness to be an FPP is discovered.
    Or put more simply
    Only people who can prove they were not FPP up to the date of their application can be considered as a FPP
    People who think they have always acted as a FPP should avoid applying

    …..like PM and DK

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