End of the Road for King?


Mark CJanuary 23, 2017 at 14:23 ‘…If this had been going …

Comment on End of the Road for King? by John Clark.

Mark CJanuary 23, 2017 at 14:23
‘…If this had been going on for years, do you not think someone would have said “NO” to them and came out in the press ?’
Would the ‘press’ have reported it any more truthfully than they report on the fact of liquidation and what liquidation means?

I still tend to use the word ‘allegedly’ of the allegations made against the Football authorities.
I do not extend that ‘courtesy’ to the SMSM hacks ( with some individual honourable exceptions-who paid some kind of a price for not being ‘on message’) who so seriously misreported and continue to misreport the actual facts.

And as a matter of actual fact, RFC of 1872 is in Liquidation.It does not exist as a shareholding member of the SPFL or SFA.It was not relegated.There is absolutely no possibility that ‘relegation’ happened.

And the poncing about in the court of session , which in effect, treated TRFC as being RFC(IL) , was just a farce, deliberately structured to avoid bringing into the light of the Law the fact that TRFC is NOT RFC(IL).

I think that history [ the kind of thing that TRFC is very short of] will view the Kinloch case proceedings as being an extreme example of the legal system at its institutional worst, ranking alongside the contemptible FTTT judgment.

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Mark CJanuary 23, 2017 at 09:42
‘…… As bad as an organisation that the SFA is, and I include the SPFL in this as well, there is not a cats chance in hell, they would risk there status in UEFA by rigging draws that are always carried out by ex players and managers..’
Allegedly they were so very, very  bad as to have lied to UEFA to try to get a few million quid into SDM’s ‘social- taxes -unpaid -by- the -critical date for an award of a ‘European competition ‘ licence.

And they were (and are)so very ,very much worse as to create and maintain the Big Lie that SDM’s/Craig Whyte’s RFC did not die the ignominious death of Liquidation, and consequently lost its entitlement to be in Scottish professional Football.

The really curious thing is that they have NOT been able to show, and haven’t even tried to show, that these allegations are false!

My point being,Mark C, that where badness on that scale is present ( and including the kind of farcical nonsense we have just seen taking place in the Court of session, where the plain, simple truth that ‘Rangers’ were not, and never have been ‘relegated’ has been scrupulously ( or rather, unscrupulously!) avoided by all kinds of ‘clever’ men and women), there is every justification for suspicionand distrust of our Football Governance bodies.

Basically, if corrupt men think they can, could, or might get away with a dirty ploy, they will adopt the dirty ploy if it’s to their advantage so to do.

There are serious grounds for believing that our Football governance people have serially lied to us all, just as SDM lied to the SFA ( unchallenged!) and to his fellow SPL club chairmen. (And, possibly, to the taxman)

Anything and everything they now say or do has therefore to be treated with forensic suspicion and distrust.

And, of course, what do bad baddies do? They get genuinely honest men to front for them, innocently!

I am not necessarily saying that I dispute ‘the luck of the draw’ concept in principle.

Just that, having been so cruelly lied to ( as I believe) by our Football authorities not just once but twice and in  really serious matters , I am not inclined to allow them any benefit of the doubt.

They have had ample time to explain away their ‘lies’ in respect of both the ‘saga’ and the european licence matter.

The fact that they have not thought it possible to give an honest explanation serves merely to convict them.

End of the Road for King?
jimboJanuary 22, 2017 at 12:01
Kilgore TroutJanuary 22, 2017 at 12:36
As I say,Herron is your basic-as-basic -can -get Myth peddler, an unreconstructed propagandist partisan of the old RFC, and emotionally unable to act in any kind of journalistic objective way when speaking/writing about the ‘saga’.

He seems to suffer from severe ‘cognitive dissonance’ which permits his brain to hold two mutually contradictory positions simultaneously.

He knows, as any ordinary football fan does, that RFC was not ‘rescued’ out of Administration. He knows TRFC is a new club, etc etc etc and bloody etcetera…

His infantile emotionalism can, however, lead him to denial of that fact, and to write about TRFC as if it were the RFC of his dad’s days, and  of his dad’s partisan football reports.

(And I agree that McCoist betrayed a vicious streak of vindictiveness  etc etc etc….(and showed us all that he was not at all the   endearing ‘cheerful chappie’ he presented himself as))

But I don’t think Herron  doesn’t know the difference between Albion Rovers and Raith Rovers!
That would be too much altogether!19

But , for the sake of completeness, I’ll ask him in a minute or two.

End of the Road for King?
jimboJanuary 22, 2017 at 05:58
‘.. The writer, Lindsay Herron, has got all his ‘Rovers’ mixed up…’
I’ve just (at 5.11 pm Brisbane time) read Herron’s article.
To be scrupulously fair and honest even to a ‘Myth’ peddler, I think the headline with ‘Raith’ would have been some ignorant sod of an editor’s mistake.The text of the article clearly talks about Albion Rovers.
Herron may be a Myth propagandiser, but I’m pretty sure he’s knocked about the Scottish football scene long enough to know which team is which ( except that he thinks TRFC are RFC(IL)!)

Recent Comments by John Clark

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
My brother and I, auld men now that we are, meet occasionally for a pint or three.
We tend to pay homage to our late dad by visiting one of the pubs he used as a young man afore the war ( he lived in digs near Partick Cross) , or one of the pubs he used when we were kids during his working life at what  used to be Glasgow Corporation Tramways Parkhead depot,  or the pub he used in Tollcross in his retirement days.
So I feel for the patrons of what had been Annie Miller’s pub in Ropework lane.
If and when the new owners of the premises tart it up gaily as a feeder bar for their adjoining sauna, I expect that it will no longer be a ‘Rangers’ pub,a place of shared enjoyment of football memories and celebration of former days of glory.

Like the historic Rangers Football Club, Annie Miller’s is dead. Ceased trading in 2016. No longer exists as a ‘Rangers’ pub, any more than the Rangers Football Club of 1872 exists as a professional football club entitled to a place in Scottish Football.
That’s the reality.
There isn’t even a ‘Scottish Football Pubs Association’ prepared to create and propagate a lie  that ‘Annie Miller’s’ lives on, there have been no white or green knights/knaves rushing in to found ‘continuity Annie Miller’s’, no running-dog SMSM types betraying their avocation by propagating untruths……and.no convicted criminals begging, borrowing and making false promises about good times to come if only other folk will produce the readies…
Annie Miller’s is dead and gone.
Only a lie sustains TRFC Ltd.
And those who drank in Annie Miller’s know that.
And the evil men of the SMSM and the SFA know it, too.
May 2018 see them confounded, and their untruths exposed.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
FinlochDecember 30, 2017 at 20:42
‘…Craig took a Corinthian and undisciplined club going nowhere fast, rooted it into a previously ignored community and has achieved some incredible health and social goals deep into that community using football as glue.’
Beautifully expressed, Finloch.

Football as a glue of ‘community’

Of community trust,

of basic honesty,

of the  Corinthian spirit,

of sporting integrity….

and of all the virtues that the SFA has so spectacularly abandoned, in its determination to insist that Charles Green’s Sevcoscotland is entitled to call itself the Rangers of 1872

That such an incredibly monstrous perversion of truth of any kind, never mind sporting truth, is being, and has been for 5 years, propagated by our Football Governance body and supported by the SMSM is stark evidence of a deep, deep corruption at the heart of our sport, and, worse, at the very essence of our ‘free’ Press.

in this little country of ours.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
And since I’m talking to myself while all you guys and gals are snoring your heads off, can I just mention that in the local newspaper this morning there was a piece about school sports.

It seemed to be about the ‘pick’ of the best players.

I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing ( and it’s too late to disturb the household to go looking for the paper!) but it seemed to be related to the use by ‘soccer’ teams of the American  Football  concept of who gets to pick the best player in the ‘draft’.

I have only the haziest understanding of that concept.

But in so far as it might relate to attempts to create genuine ‘sporting’ , on-field, equality of talent, it must have something to recommend it.

Even the Americans realise that in order to make money out of sport,there has to be some concept of genuine ‘sporting competition’

Auldheid reminded us, quite movingly, of the joyous nature of our game as we all experienced it.
We all knew instinctively what was fair, and what wasn’t.
Remember how our street game teams were picked?

The two ‘captains’ tossed for first choice.Whichever won the toss would pick the ‘best’ player. The other guy would pick ‘the second best’ and so on.

And, if it appeared that there was an imbalance ,or if there was an odd number of players, then it would be agreed that a ‘John Clark’ would play the first half for one side to give them the extra man, and the second half for the other side, to try to be fair in the use of that useless lump!

( who, I may say, was actually quite good at lifting the wee ba’ from the street up onto the pavement, one hand on the lamp-post outside the Thomson’s house on Cuthelton Street, and bringing it to the goal at the lorry entrance to the Domestos depot ( formerly Donald Clarke’s steel kind of place, which in 1947 sirened One o’Clock,with the siren they used ‘during the war!’)

And it is these kinds of memories that fuel my contempt
contempt for the cheating bast.rd of a knight of the realm who killed the RFC of my day

contempt for the SFA who, like some referees,not only did not ‘see’ that cheating but went further and assisted in that cheating

And who continue to propagate the lie that the football club that cheated its way to death by Liquidation is somehow the same club as a five year old creation that they themselves have lied into existence.

And as for the the whole lot of the successive boards of either Sevco 5088, Sevcoscotland, The rangers football Club Ltd, RIFC plc  how can they be described otherwise than as  scavengers of carrion? Feeding as they do on the dead flesh of a once proud football club?

It gars me greet…
Quietly and solemnly, into my glass of “Goose IPA, 5.9%, made from hops from Idaho” ( And actually quite surprisingly pleasant, reminiscent of McEwan’s pale ale.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
It’s 11.43 pm in Scranton,PA,  and we have just come back from being wined and dined  in tremendously good company in a friends-of-the-son’s home.

I am therefore in a cheerful frame of mind. (Mind you, sitting in the back seat of the car I had one of those A9 moments of absolute fear, when the driver overtook another car on a blind bend, before I realised we were still on a dual carriageway!)….

For one reason or another, it suddenly strikes  me that I don’t actually know ( or remember) when it was that the concept of ‘transfer windows’ was introduced, or why it was introduced.

On the face of it, it’s as much of a restriction of ‘trade’ on ’employers’, as the pre-Bosman situation was on freedom of employment was on ‘workers'(players).

Is there a decently worked out rationale for the concept?

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
easyJamboDecember 27, 2017 at 17:49
‘..I think that the document will only be a restatement of the resolutions that were approved at the AGM (Resolutions 10 & 11).’
You’re perfectly right, of course, eJ: it was only the official recording  of the AGM resolutions.

I think I for one (in my general ignorance) tend to think that any plc of which a director has been taken to the Courts( in an unprecedented action by the Takeover Panel) would have every form or document that it submitted to Companies House rigorously examined, cross-checked, double-checked, treble checked ,even, in a way that ,for example, the SFA does not do with documents submitted to it by its trustworthy gentlemen members.

The Takeover Panel has a lot riding on how the Law stands in its approach to the Panel’s need for support in their regulation of rogues in the market-place.

So I tend to look at anything touching on RIFC plc that seems even a wee bit different as something worth exploring.

Largely tongue-in-cheek, of course: -we’re not likely ever to be told anything confidential by CH! But if they say something will appear, and then it doesn’t appear when promised, then it allows one to ask why. Keeps them on their toes!

And we know that when even the gentlemen of our free Press are not above behaving with less than complete honesty when it comes to TRFC Ltd/RIFC plc  there may (God forbid!) exist a ‘protective of companies’ mindset in CH, rather than a ‘get the baddies’ approach.

Who knows?

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