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AndrakNovember 2, 2017 at 16:48 ————- “You might be right, but what …

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AndrakNovember 2, 2017 at 16:48
“You might be right, but what a miserable self defeating outlook to have. And what a dull place we leave to our children”.
That’s one way of putting it I suppose. An alternative would be realism, and a preference for doing something practical and effective and not just bleating about perceived injustice.
Admittedly, the power and influence lies with the clubs in this, not you or I.
As I said previously, I was in Spain in 1982 to watch a great, really great, Scotland team and again in Italy in 1990. You’re right, I watched the great Celtic teams of the late 60’s and early 70’s. I would very much like to see those days again.
When Bayern played Celtic the other night, they were without 5 regular first team players, and replaced them with about £100M worth of internationals from their squad. That’s the reality. What do PSG have in reserve for the next match?
Given that financial reality, what chance do we have of winning the CL? Away ye go.
Dundee currently have a very promising young full back in Cammy Kerr, and a potentially international class centre back / centre midfield player in Kerr Waddell and El Bakhtouie and Wighton up front. EBT / Sky Sports McCann is not really my hero,but fair play to him. DFC might have to go down to come up again stronger, as Hearts did, but that is the way to go if need be. If the Americans persevere with him, maybe Dundee will have a team that can beat Progres Niederkorn in the Europa League qualifying in a couple of years. That is the test of how good we are.
Celtic had, in my opinion, Gordon, Tierney, Brown, Forrest and Griffiths the other night who could match and trouble Bayern, which is not at all bad.
“If Poland, Chile, Belgium, Portugal, and of course Iceland, can produce world class talent, then why can’t we”.
See above.
Paradoxically given our engineered disadvantage in European club competition, the current Scotland team could be very strong. Nawlight I think outlined a team earlier on with the Celtic players in there, although he skillfully avoided the centre back issue. Maybe Waddell and O’Dea?
In my opinion, Celtic need to buy young, promising players and develop them. So do Dundee. I would like to see a strong, competitive SPFL where those young talents are challenged regularly to learn their weaknesses and improve to manage them. If we can do that, which will require better coaching than recent results in European competition would suggest we have, perhaps along the lines of what Iceland or Slovenia have been doing recently, then we can get there.
Forget UEFA. They are not interested. Celtic will continue to dominate Scottish football for years, but the other SPFL teams should be able to beat Progress Niederkorn, Birkirkara et al.
That should be Dundee FC’s goal. Celtic can only beat what’s in front of us.

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Enough is enough
Dave King is only the third case of anyone having been “Cold Shouldered”.
The other two cases are here:


One of them involved persons at Dundee FC as it happens.
Dave King is the first person to have had his case referred to Court for enforcement.
This is important because it illustrates the extraordinary position taken by King.
Homunculus makes a point reminiscent of the EBT case:
“Surely that would be an important enough issue for the Takeover Panel to be granted leave to appeal to the Supreme Court”.
Is this a possible strategy here?
and also
“If he does decline to make any Order I will be fascinated to read his justification for it”
Indeed, so will everyone else in British industry.
With all due respect to JC and his faithful and accurate reporting, the “may” issue is a nonsense. To decline to enforce the verdict of the TOP is to remove the substance of the 29.9% shareholding rule and open up the possibility of, among other things, a tidal wave of cases of mammoth proportions regarding previous decisions.

Enough is enough
John ClarkNovember 13, 2017 at 18:29
“…it might conceivably be the case that the judge could conclude that feel the only determination he could reasonably arrive at would be that to make an order that simply could not be complied with by King would be meaningless,”
If that were the case, then it would be open for anyone to breach the 29.9% shareholder limit and then say, “Sorry guys, no money”.
I know you are not advocating this view, but that is a ludicrous proposition. It’s obvious of course, but if I’m fined for something, then I’m not going to get off because I don’t have any money to pay the fine. I have done something and that action has a consequence in law, which I knew before I did it.
If DK is claiming he didn’t know he had to make an offer for the remaining shares , then I wish I had been present in the Important Lawyers Club that evening when the case was being discussed. Trebles all round.
More importantly, this case will set a precedent. See my post above regarding British industry. The requirement to make an offer for the remaining shares has clearly been considered to be important in safeguarding the rights of small shareholders. That I would think is a very important principle to surrender.
I won’t labour the point, but albeit the law may have been drafted imprecisely, there is only one way out of this.
Anything else, in my layman’s view, defies common sense, completely undermines the point of the rule, and leaves the field open for anyone who wishes to play it. This is not only about DK and RIFC, this is about every single business and individual operating within the jurisdiction of the British State.

Enough is enough
John ClarkNovember 13, 2017 at 09:03
If the word “may” is taken to mean Bannatyne has an option to decline, then that means either that the TOP’s verdict is not final, or that it is final but there are some circumstances in which it may not be appropriate to issue an order enforcing it, in DK’s case that being that he is skint.
To the best of my layman’s knowledge this is not the impression that UK companies, or individuals, have had of TOP rulings up to now and is why, I think, DK is only the third person ever to have been “Cold Shouldered”, and the first to have required reference to Court for enforcement. The revelation that it may not be necessary to comply with the rules as previously understood, or that a refusal may not be enforced is likely to cause uproar in British industry surely.
“What are the circumstances under which I may not have to comply, because the ruling will not be subject to a Court order requiring me to do so? A full list please”.

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Who Is Conning Whom?
tonyDecember 7, 2017 at 21:47
Thursday, 07 December 2017, 21:40by Rangers Football Club…..
That statement is embarrassingly weak. If Traynor drafted it, and that’s the best he can do, then they are heading down the slope fast from here.

Who Is Conning Whom?
It’s an important moment for the smsm.
They have been humiliated by “Rangers”.
Will it be a moment of enlightenment, an epiphany, or will it be back, shoulder to the wheel, of disseminating “Rangers” propaganda?
There is no excuse now. They have been, wittingly or otherwise, played like salmon, or violins, or violin playing salmon and very publicly so.
Will they choose to risk further ridicule, or is this the moment when they can save face by getting out from underneath and standing up for themselves (and “Rangers” supporters) by exploring and exposing the whole sad charade?

Who Is Conning Whom?
upthehoopsDecember 7, 2017 at 19:59
“Forced to defend their six weeks blanket ‘he’s definitely going’ coverage, they actually said it was Dave King at the Rangers AGM who made them believe it was a done deal”.
Did they consider asking him how he knew that , or could infer that even, when at that point there had been no official contact between “Rangers” and Aberdeen?

Who Is Conning Whom?
DarkbeforedawnNovember 26, 2017 at 11:37
The SFA and SPFL don’t notice because they signed the 5 Way Agreement inviting Charles Green to pay RFC(IL)’s football debts in exchange for being credited with the titles won by that entirely different club and they are still looking the other way. Remember, when Sevco were admitted to Div. 3, Green could have changed the name to Glasgow Athletic, Govan United , Southoftheriver Strollers or anything and played in any colours he chose, self referencing green perhaps. Maybe if the assets had been bought by someone with more than personal enrichment in mind that would have happened, but Green is the one person in this who benefited from the blue hoax.
The effects of that agreement are that:
TRFC / RIFC have had to pay off debts that they had no responsibility for whatsoever, and
RFC(IL) fans have been put in the embarrassing and uncomfortable position of having to go along with a falsehood in the foundation of the new club they want to support.
Even if they wanted to, and it may even be that there are some in the media who are equally uncomfortable about the same club myth, the media outlets have no real choice about how to present the new club TRFC as long as the honours of RFC(IL) remain on the SPFL website.
I don’t know about UEFA, but I imagine whoever is responsible for their club pages simply copied what was on the SPFL site, not suspecting anything untoward.
I wonder if with hindsight even Regan and Doncaster now regret the 5 Way Agreement. Perhaps an insolvency event or better still liquidation at TRFC might finally make it possible to reset the whole thing and give RFC(IL) fans a club they can support without squirming.

Time to Ditch the Geek Show
jimboOctober 17, 2017 at 23:40
While I’m here, that’s the way it works. They are a Private Members Club and unless one of the Members raises an objection, which they don’t, or someone breaks the law of the land so visibly that it can’t be ignored by PoliceScotland, then on they go.
Take it or leave it.
Hope for the best from Auldheid and the Res. 12 people and wait for season ticket renewal time next year.

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