Everything Has Changed


Dentarthurdent42 says: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 11:36 2 0 Rate …

Comment on Everything Has Changed by Not The Huddle Malcontent.

dentarthurdent42 says:
Tuesday, March 5, 2013 at 11:36
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ekt1m says:
Monday, March 4, 2013 at 23:53

Sorry, there may be some confusion.

I’m talking about The Rangers Football Club Ltd, which does exist as a legal entity. It is a limited company whose shares are wholly owned by Rangers International PLC.

I was enquiring what it actually did, as a business. If Rangers International is dealing with season tickets, sponsorship, expenses, salaries etc then is Rangers FC Ltd merely a shell, which can be sold on when it is convenient to do so.

However, who owns the assets, I assume by the interims that is also Rangers International as they seem to have included them.

One would almost suspect that Rangers FC Ltd was going to be sold on as a going concern, perhaps carrying on the business of a football club, but without owning any of the tangible assets like the stadium and training ground.

Selling it as a going concern would be fairly straightforward, as the holding company owns all of the shares so would be in a position to do it whenever it wanted. Mr Green also controls the board of both the Holding Company and the Limited Company, so no problems there.


So, who is paying the players – RIFC PLC or TRFC Ltd

Who are they registered with at the SFA? can’t be RIFC PLC – as they are not a football club/SFL member/SFA member

Are 3rd party payment rules being breached here? Or are players incorrectly registered? (imagine that!)

Or does the registration state that players are employed by RIFC PLC and being paid by them – and if so, did the players all TUPE over again in December when RIFC PLC was formed

So many administration questions on this

I would look up the rule book of the SFL and SFA – but is there any point? if rules are being breached, they will be ignored or mr Bryson will simply have to get creative again.

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Everything Has Changed
I really hope that Sky are driving Sevco into the SPL

As soon as the league reformation proposals come out, then the detail of how the leagues will be set up, play off, promotion/relegation, tv money, etc will come out – along with WHO will be in what league

at long last, such open contempt and corruption will mobilise the fans of other clubs

the clubs will have a simply choice – fans (and their income) or sky (and their paltry offering)

Of course, maybe Sky could offer us the sort of money the EPL gets and Scottish clubs wouldn’t need fans money at all, they could let us in for free.

Everything Has Changed
The Tartan Army are getting restless..

received this post on my FB feed this morning

“To all SSC members. You may have noticed several posts on the TAMB about how the SSC is running these days.

The SFA had posted on their website it was their intention to increase SSC revenue by 33% by 2015 (they basically responded that their plan had been ditched, although given the commercial team (Kenny Macleod and Jules McGeever) they probably have a plan B, plan C etc).

The SSC should not be about profit. It should be about providing a service. Those who have been members for a while will remember the fold-out SSC guides that used to get sent out with the tickets (these were ditched as they were too expensive). They used to send a few staff in case of emergencies (this too has been cut back on recently – Luxembourg game).

The SSC is a club. On the emails is the slogan Your country. Your passion. Your club’. Does anyone feel like this is a club? There are no accounts (where does our membership money go) – we are getting less for our money that we did a few years ago (a tartan scarf made in china). Decisions are made by some clueless individuals within SFA towers, where their sole objective is to fleece the fans for as much money as possible while the laugh their way to the bank.

So, we pay 50 quid for 2 years membership where the only advantage is that we get to apply for away tickets. Home tickets have not sold out in recent years.

Anyone have any views on this, as I think in recent years they really are taking the piss. Apparently a survey will be sent out in the next week, and I would encourage people to complete this. Also, if like me, you have strong feeling on the above then drop Jules (Jules.McGeever@scottishfa.co.uk) and Kenny (
kenny.macleod@scottishfa.co.uk) an email. I’m sure they would be delighted to hear from you……”

Everything Has Changed
All this talk of DAFC dying within days if £50k is not paid.

is this not a bit OTT

OK, situation is clearly critical, but what is the point of Insolvency Laws if DAFC are simply going to allow themselves to be liquidated at the 1st sight of a bill they can’t pay.

Can they not go into Administration?
Can costs not be cut by administrators
Can a CVA not be proposed?

OK, it’s not pretty and will mean harsh cuts at the club, but several other clubs/companies have gone into admin and come out the other side

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Why We Need to Change
This one AmFearLiathMòr?

Beadie v Aberdeen

(By outside the D, do you mean inside the penalty box?!! )

Why We Need to Change
I see the subject of Gate Sharing raised it’s head again in the last few days….great topic.

I seem to remember one of the Jambo boys doing a great analysis of this back in RTC days

I think we need to establish what we are hoping to achieve by going down a “gate sharing” route.

It’s easy to say we are spreading/equalising the income for clubs and levelling the playing field, but it’s not that straight forward

Some clubs like St J, Hibs, Celtic (and increasingly many others in the modern scottish game) are run responsibly and will pay off debts, balance the books, improve infrastructure whilst some other clubs are absolute basket cases and will blow it on buying any passing player who will prop them up for a few months (yes Sevco, you!!!)

So, guidance needs to be put in place

I suggest we want clubs to target the following criteria (for example only – i haven’t thought this through entirely)

1. Financial stability – adopting some form of FFP model where clubs must, on the whole, break even – something like break even over a 3 season period – allowing an overspend one year to be balanced out in subsequent years, strict controls on wage to turnover ratios, maybe even a wage cap based on turnover

2. Player development – clubs should be encouraged to develop their own youth players…ideally scottish players, but in reality it doesn’t matter, if they can scout, sign and develop a 14-17 year old Bulgarian who comes through into the 1st team, then fine. But, the pathway should be for youngsters coming through the ranks and into the 1st team rather than the previously flawed models of trying to buy players in (which is a much rarer event outwith Celtic these days) or paying over the jobs for journeymen players looking for a payday.

Following on from that though, for the benefit of the domestic game, i think clubs should also be rewarded for playing domestic reared players – i.e. keeping talent developed in scotland in scotland.

3. Finally, clubs should be rewarded based on their on field performance.

now that we have established some loose criteria for what we need clubs to do to be successful and therefore rewarded with real cash money, we need to find that money.

The subject of gate sharing is a hard one for fans to swallow, but it is undeniable that the scottish game was mush more competitive when gates were shared.

So, lets not start there, lets start with UEFA money!

Celtic get approx £20M for reaching the CL group stages. Alone, that far outstrips the income of many clubs, so why not “tax” it.

Lets take 50% of all UEFA monies and through it into a “prie pot” (Europa monies will go into the prize pot too, i’m not suggesting just Celtic fund this)

Then, lets put a “tax” on transfers – say 10% of all transfer fees received goes into the prize pot.

Then onto the subject of “gate sharing” Instead of splitting the gate 50/50 with the opponent on the day, I suggest we start more modestly. in the 1st year, lets take 10% of the ticket income for the year (ST’s or walk up) and throw that into the prize pot as well. it can be ramped up to 50% over a number of seasons.

Into the prize pot goes all the other commercial income generated by the league – TV, sponsorship deals etc.

that then gives us a big pot of cash

That can then be divided up based on the earlier criteria – run a tight financial ship, bring through a lot of youngsters and play a lot of scottish players and do well in the league and you could get more than the team that wins the league but had huge debts, no youth players and full of foreigners.

Over a period of 10 years, this would hugely level the playing field in Scotland, we’d see much more competition, we should see more stability at clubs as they manage finances better and we should hopefully see a lot more youngsters come through – and reach the quality that is needed to improve the quality of the game overall.

Anyway, that is my thoughts on the subject (and i guess that is why my name was not mentioned in the list of posters that were missed!!)

Why We Need to Change
“He latest post suggests that 30,000 STs will bring in a modest £5.4M after deduction of VAT. That would mean an average £180 per ST.”

naw, 30k tickets at £225, less 20% VAT = 5.4M

I guess you have to factor in the number of concession tickets into that equation….that will severely hamper the ave ticket price.

Pretty sure from last accounts the ave st price was about £225 – so, i’d expect it to be 5% higher this year as they stated (4% after VAT!)

Why We Need to Change
Hola SFM community

1st off, I applaud and welcome moves by Big Pink to grow the blog/forum and it’s influence. You have to keep moving forward or die.

Having said that, i think you may be over reaching with such a broad remit.

Football is the worlds biggest sport and you will have a huge potential audience sticking to it.

it’s what all the current contributors know and love and talk about, and it would be easier to expand the forum to capture similar fans and fans concerns about the game by reaching out with a English FM, Welsh FM, Irish FM and Northern Irish FM.

From there, the topics of UEFA, FIFA and comps like WCs, Euro championships, qualifiers and even global rules changes can be discussed and moaned over….such as the controversial “tv evidence” debate and the more controversial “UEFA CL” money/allocation of places/seedings debates.

Then you could look to going truly international on football – sticking to the sport we all know and love

Or you could look to go into other UK & Ireland based sports – sticking to the “domestic” audience (i am expecting a few complaints from Irish for being lumped in with the UK there!)

Either way, once you had proven that you could 1st of all expand the remit from Scottish to UK/Irish football, you could then push to expand and repeat the process again.

Small, organic steps, learning as you go. I am sure this would bring in reasonable income through sponsorship/subscriptions/advertisement.

(buy hey, it’s your ball, your vision, i am just giving you my thoughts and you can take them on board or push on with your own plans)

Eventually, i think you could reach your aims of international/independent sports fair play watch dog/sounding board/rallying point for action.

As for going forward, I think your radio show should do a daily/weekly round up of “what the papers said”

Basically taking the main stories from the MSM and tearing it to shreds….invite the writers of the articles in to defend themselves, contact the clubs/players/agents/authorities involved and ask them for a comment on the article and on TSFM’s analysis of the puff piece and set up weekly polls asking fans of all clubs to give their feedback on the story/analysis to show how fans are displeased with the sports coverage we are getting.

you could also have (less frequent) analysis of punishments handed out by the authorities – and compare/contrast the punishments/circumstances handed out by the same and other governing bodies. This could be sent onto the national associations and uefa/fifa for their comment.

Also, if you really want to move forward, i honestly believe the format of the forum needs to change into a more traditional forum format with a thread for each topic/blog and comments related to the blog compartmentalised within it – it would allow a greater number of threads to be discussed simultaneously and interested parties to follow the blog/topic of their interest.

Lastly, apologies for being a random reader/contributor the past 16 months, the arrival of number 2 child has brought it’s own challenges on my free time and i find twitter makes it easier for me to keep up to date on the latest shenanigans, even if it does mean i miss out on the great detailed analysis/opinion this site carries on the subject matter.

Whatever way you go, good luck.

(EDIT to add – only 4 comments? WTF? I assume my history has been wiped due to inactivity at some point!! oh well.)

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scarecrow666 says:
April 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
April 19, 2015 at 11:24 am
Then, there would be the ability to see all 90 mins of every game on delayed transmission for something like £30 a month.
Sorry, but unless you were covering all of scottish sport not just football that would be utter s@#t value for money. Sky sports packages range from £20-30 per month giving you lots of channels with different sports. Setanta struggled at £10 per month and that included Dutch league football. How could you possibly justify £30 per month for delayed streaming twice a week for only scottish matches ?

Quick look at the sky website tells me the cost of sky sports will be £47 a month


Ok, maybe £30 a month is too steep for just the Scottish game – but for that price, there is no reason why they could not also buy rights for other countries games/sports too. Or even still, reduce it to say £20 a month.

As the only outlet to watch Scottish games, i’m sure it’ll be OK7

As for Setanta, i believe they were doing fine until they went toe to toe with Sky and started buying up EPL rights and games for England internationals. It was that overspend and the comparative lack of subscribers that done for them.

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