The following post comes about as a result of the research and work put in by Auldheid.
He has drafted the submission to FIFA detailed below after closely looking at their rules, and taking on board the points contained in the Glasnost “Golden Rule” blog. TSFM has attached the blog’s name to the report since the overwhelming – but not unanimous – view of our readership is that the SFA and the SPL have again gotten themselves into an almighty and embarrassingly amateur fankle over this issue.
We believe that tens of thousands of football fans will be lost to the game if the outcome of the LNS enquiry is not perceived to be commensurate with the scope and extent of the rule breaking that LNS found had taken place. In view of this, we believe that we have to do what we can to explore all possibilities for justice for those who love the game so much and yet are utterly disillusioned by recent events.
LNS is not being questioned here. He has found that RFC were guilty as charged by the SPL.
What is being questioned is the SFA’s crucial – and seemingly conflicted – role in the LNS enquiry, as is the effectiveness of LNS’s recommended sanction as either a deterrent or an upholder of sporting integrity.
It came to our notice last week that FIFA have created a web site at
https://www.bkms-system.net/bkwebanon/report/clientInfo?cin=6fifa61&language=eng
that tells us that FIFA have implemented a regulatory framework which is intended to ensure that all statutory rules, rules of conduct and internal guidelines of FIFA are respected and complied with.
In support of that regulatory framework FIFA have set up the above site as a reporting mechanism by means of which inappropriate behaviour and infringements of the pertinent regulations may be reported.
FIFA say that their jurisdiction encompasses misconduct that (1) relates to match manipulation; (2) occurs in or affects more than one confederation, so that it cannot adequately be addressed by a single confederation; or (3) would ordinarily be addressed by a confederation or association, but, under the particular facts at issue, has not been or is unlikely to be dealt with appropriately at that level.
Discussions arising from the previous blog on TSFM, “Gilt Edged Justice”, which was published after Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) ruled on the registration of Rangers players who had contractual side letters that were not disclosed to the SFA as part of their registration, suggest that there may be possible unfortunate consequences for football arising from the evidence presented by the SFA to the LNS enquiry that informed its findings on registration and consequent eligibility. There is also a question of the propriety of the SFA providing evidence on an issue which could have had a negative impact on them had it been found that they had failed to carrying out their registration duties with due rigour over a period of ten years when the existence of EBTs was known to officials within the SFA.
On the basis that the LNS findings require that registration rules be clarified by FIFA and rewritten globally if necessary to remove any ambiguity and under clause 3 above, this appears to be an issue that the FIFA should examine and that the SFA cannot address.
The following report has therefore been submitted by TSFM on behalf of its readers to FIFA drawing on the content and debate following the “Gilt Edged Justice” blog in respect of the possible footballing consequences of the LNS enquiry.
The hope is that by speaking for so many supporters, FIFA will give the TSFM submission some weight, but individuals are free of course to make their own points in their own way. We await acknowledgement of the submission.
The report Submitted to FIFA is as follows;
This report was prepared on behalf of the 10,000-strong readership of The Scottish Football Monitor at http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/
It is our belief that FIFA general rules of conduct were breached by the SFA and their employees in both creating and then advising The Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) enquiry into the non disclosure of full payment information to the Scottish Football Association (SFA) by Rangers F.C during a period of player registration over 10 years from 2000.We believe that although the issue has been addressed by the SFA the particular facts at issue suggest that it has not been dealt with appropriately and we therefore ask FIFA to investigate. The facts at issue are that the process and advice given failed to uphold sporting integrity, and that a conflict of interest was at play.
We believe the advice provided and the enquiry set up, where SFA both advised and is the appellant body, breaches not only the integrity the registration rules were intended to uphold, but also totally undermines the integrity of the SFA in breach of General Conduct rules 1, 2 and 4. (See below.)
1. Firstly we believe that the advice supplied to LNS that an incorrectly registered player was eligible to play as long as the registration was accepted by the SFA however unwittingly, undermines the intent of the SPL/SFA rules on player registration and so undermines the integrity of football in three ways.
• It incentivises clubs to apply for a player to be registered even if they know that the conditions of registration are not satisfied, in the hope that the application will somehow ‘slip through the net’ and be granted anyway (in which case it will be valid until revoked).
• A club which discovers that it has made an error in its application is incentivized to say nothing and to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ – because it would be in a better position by not confessing its mistake.
• And most importantly, it incentivises fraud. By deliberately concealing relevant information, a club can ensure that a player who does not satisfy the registration conditions is treated as being eligible – and therefore allowed to play – for as long as a period as possible (potentially his entire spell with the club). Then, if the club is no longer around when the deception is finally discovered, imposing meaningful sanctions may be impossible.
2. Secondly we believe the process followed was inappropriate due to a Conflict of Interest. Had the LNS enquiry not ruled on the basis of advice supplied by The SFA, they and those persons advising the LNS enquiry, could have been subjected to censure and the SFA to potential compensation claims had LNS found that the players were indeed ineligible to play and results then been annulled as was SFA practice when an ineligible player played.
3. Finally we contend that a law should not be applied according to its literal meaning if to do so would lead to an absurdity or a manifest injustice or in this case loss of football integrity.
See http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/gilt-edged-justice/4. We therefore ask FIFA to investigate both the process used and advice given to Lord Nimmo Smith to satisfy themselves that FIFA’s intentions with regard to upholding the integrity of football under FIFA rules have not been seriously damaged by the LNS findings and also to reassure Scottish football supporters that the integrity of our game has not been sacrificed by the very authority in whose care it has been placed to promote the short term cause of commercialism to the games long term detriment.
General Rules of Conduct (These are taken from the FIFA web site itself and can be found as part of completing the submission process)
1. Persons bound by this Code are expected to be aware of the importance of their duties and concomitant obligations and responsibilities.
2. Persons bound by this Code are obliged to respect all applicable laws and regulations as well as FIFA’s regulatory framework to the extent applicable to them.
3. N/A
4. Persons bound by this Code may not abuse their position in any way, especially to take advantage of their position for private aims or gains.
madbhoy24941 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:22
Green: “I’d have sacked Messi for making comments similar to what Sandaza said”
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha….. oh stop, my sides are sore!
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Anyone know if he has an off switch on his back?
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
Ok ,We all know that the club Sevco need to make serious cut backs in expenditure,can we have some suggestions where this will come from before we spend all day debating a given.
Thank You
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We know from Whyte that there was a £10m hole in the finances when RFC(IL) were in the top flight but without Champions League money. (Albeit with a higher wage bill) We also know that TRFC are losing around £1m per month in SFL3 with a wage bill of around £6m per year. Using simple arithmetic nothing adds up. Without an additional £12m being pumped into their coffers each year (Champions League money or an annual share issue) they’re going out of business again. No amount of cuts in their current budget can save them.
Like RFC(IL) before them Sevco are a complete financial basket case.
It seems to me that since the start of this saga .. Mr Green has never came across like a man out to save a football club ….. Not once has he given me that impression … Sadly for them The Bears & The MSM appear to have a vision of the future that I for one don’t think Mr Green shares … Or are the MSM pulling the wool over The Bears eyes ?
Robert Coyle says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:25
Robert, your analysis may well be correct, but it doesn’t really change the calculus on re-construction. If Mr Doncaster wants to get St Mirren on board then voting change appears to be the price. that could, and probably will create issues elsewhere, which is why I think reconstruction is DOA.
Andrew Woods says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:35
And of course you forget that Duff & Phelps also ran up a loss of £1m a month even when the players wages were on reduced rates.
paulmac2 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:29
Anyone know if he has an off switch on his back?
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Nope, just one of those little strings that Craig White pulls back every day.
He is a more sophisticated (no sniggering at the back please) version of those dolls my little sister had as a kid, those just said “mama” when you pulled the string…. Hold on, maybe that is why Craig White’s money found it’s way into “that” account 😮
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
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Ok ,We all know that the club Sevco need to make serious cut backs in expenditure,can we have some suggestions where this will come from before we spend all day debating a given.
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Where to start.
We don’t know where the cash goes so we can only guess.Losses heading for £12-14m for the year I’d guess.The whole wage bill for players,staff at ibrox,Murray Park wil hardly come to this.now,you obviously can’t make everyone redundant or you’ll have no team.I’ve tried to figure this out making assumptions that are at best,speculative.
If you lose have the ancillary staff you save maybe £2m.
Alexander,Sandaza,Kyle,Stella maybe £1m
Problem is,the further down the scale you go,hotel bills etc,savings become thousands rather than millions.
I can’t see how they can cut £10-12m pa.
that’s the problem.
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
As Auldheid and others have argued, you can reduce the wage bill, but what really needs to happen is for Ibrox to go. Ground sharing at Hampden would go along way towards making the finances sustainable in the short to medium term. It won’t happen, as the fans would no more wear that, than Celtic fans would have worn Fergus closing Celtic Park and sharing Hampden.
madbhoy24941 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:22
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Green: “I’d have sacked Messi for making comments similar to what Sandaza said”
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha….. oh stop, my sides are sore!
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Be fair to him. If I was married to Cameron Diaz and she didn’t have my dinner on the table when I got in from work I’d divorce her 😀
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
Ok ,We all know that the club Sevco need to make serious cut backs in expenditure,can we have some suggestions where this will come from before we spend all day debating a given.
Thank You
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Well you could start by cutting the salaries and bonuses of the CEO and his fellow Directors
You could cut the managers salary (or gettign a cheaper on in)
Too late for cutting the players wages (unless you can come up with some reason to sack them) but you could have signed players at a level and salary fit for the lower divisions
You could trim the backroom operation – oh that already seems to be happening!
You could delay throwing money at fanciful schemes that will not see any break even point and revenue generation for a number of years
However when you have to maintain and run a 5 star stadium and world classs traning facility along with providing services for 40k fans along with all the media, marketing etc for 500m fans world wide, there are costs that cannot be done away with. You need a certain number of people at various levels on various salaries to run the ship.
Namely rates, security, crowd control & policing costs health & safety matters, catering etc etc.
It is a tightrope because on one hand if you reduce the quality of the team you risk loosing support through the gates and not winning promotions.
Pay too much for success and it can’t be sustained by the income generated when in the lower divisions.
smartbhoy says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:18
angus1983 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:37
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I’m a Celtic fan and I agree that a lot of Celtic fans are unable to accept criticism of our club and/or the support.
If you’re not prepared to accept constructive criticism then you shouldn’t be blogging.
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Well, that’s me told!
Accepting constructive criticism is fine, but to let comments pass that appear to me to be the result of some unknown angst, that is, an opinion with little or no foundation, is not an option.
Criticism?
Have a look at Angus’ re-action to criticism.
It goes something like…
FFS!
FFS!
FFS!
One thing is absolutely clear.
Neil Patey knows it. CG (ref his spat with Ally “how many titles?”) knows it. Even fec’n Jim Traynor knows it.
Technically they are a new club but in spirit they are the same. As most on here said many months ago, many many times to the extent that moderators had to step in to alleviate the boredom, you CAN support a spirit. You CAN’T pin medals on them. You CANNOT liquidate a spirit but, at the same time, you certainly, unequivicolly CANNOT get them to sign registration forms, licence them or allow them to vote.
Physically, technically, formally and in no way referring to the undoubted ethereal thingy that does attract large crowds and has done for god knows how many years, THEY ARE A NEW CLUB.
Simples.
On registration btw there’s an interesting conundrum. Many have queried the timing of the spat – the week after the title was won. It is probably odds on now that we’re about to be faced with the concept of an invitation SPL2 – and a once only opportunity at that. You would have thought t’RFC would be wanting to appear a portrayal of calmness just at the moment, a worthwhile invitee if you like.
And I agree with Robert Coyle on the 11-1 thing – its still there for a reason.
Robert Coyle says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:25
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The 11-1 voting structure is the only thing that will stop an SPL2 being formed with a selected invite for a certain club being the 1st thing on some peoples agendas.For the time being(say the next 2 seasons i’m content for this particular structure to stay in place.
If the only justice i get to see in this saga is that of the rangers(formally known as sevco) having to fight their way up the leagues in a fair manner then so be it.Some people should be careful what they wish for.
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Firmly agree Robert, I know the current system is not the best, but any restructuring is only to help sevco by re-arranging the deck chairs. Let them rightfully earn their place in the top flight, then and only then tackle reconstruction. Armageddon did not happen, the league is a healthier one this year, St Mirren won their first League cup and at this point who knows about the Scottish cup. Keep the status quo and it will stop the conspiracy theorists.
The elephant in the room regarding 11-1 voting is gate sharing. There are other sensitive areas , such as the number of televised matches broadcast from each venue, and under age keagues, however keeping your own gate receipts is the big issue
Lets assume that Gilmour is being completely honest in his assertion he has no interest in Rangers , and that his only interest is St Mirren. His club would benefit enormously from gate sharing. Will he state explicitly which way he would vote on this.
Will he further state which way he would vote if his club was in SFL 3, and rather than keep100% of 4000 paying customers entry fee every 2 weeks, he moved to 50% of 4000 and 50% of 300
Would he support a vote which guaranteed all clubs kept their own home gate receipts ?
Gilmour came over on RS last night as extremely slippery. He was caught out lying about no change to 11-1 not being part of the package in January
He made an utter fool of himself over his support for 14-14-14 ( coincidently Rangers model of of choice) . It may well be good manners to believe he is not being influenced by Green, but his performance on radio last night made it very difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt
Carntyne Riddrie (@Riddrie) says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:06
Angus
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Please let go guys – your heads must be sore banging them off the wall.
Interesting call from Jim in Gartcosh on SSB last night….interesting if even just for the fact that he seems to be that rare species of Rangers minded contributors who do not keep their head permanently buried in the sand….
The response of course….predictably lame…and no doubt deliberately missing the entire point of the call….
Corky the Clown (DJ) – at the end even says that Charles Green says “there is no truth in this whatsoever”…eh no…Derek…that is the point….he has confirmed pretty much everything that Whyte has claimed….
Meanwhile…Keevins….obviously on the crack again as he rants about nothing whatsoever to do with anything the caller says….
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BfDJ said on the ssb panel last night, [about whyte]
“this is a man, who almost brought rangers to their knees”
if you’re looking in DJ, actually, CW destroyed rangers – they went bust – ceased trading!!
keevins’ response when he was asked abot the financial shinnanegans, said, something like
. . .i’m not a financial correspondent” so i don’t know about financial markets and balance sheets…so i can’t comment…
why don’t they get paul mcC, the taxi driver that spoke to sandaza, or paul brennan on SSB, either with or without chris graham
[who suffers from the emperors new clothes syndrome]
PS
Because of where they find themselves financailly today, even when back in the SPL T’Rangers would possibly be also rans if they were to run as a sustainable business.
Because of their fan base they would have far greater income than the rest of the clubs but that would not necessarily allow them then fund a team that would be automatic bets for 1st or 2nd spot. On any given season a well drilled club could easily do them damage.
As I said the other day on SSB Andy Walker asked Derek Johnstone how much Rangers would have to spend to become competitive with Celtic. While there was a bit of chat there was no answer because it is clear that is will take many millions and many years to get anywhere close to where they were.
Tomtomaswell 10.03
If I was married to Cameron Diaz and she didnt make my dinner when she came in from work ,I would divorce her
Fixed that for you
wottpi says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:04
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
Ok ,We all know that the club Sevco need to make serious cut backs in expenditure,can we have some suggestions where this will come from before we spend all day debating a given.
Thank You
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Well you could start by cutting the salaries and bonuses of the CEO and his fellow Directors
You could cut the managers salary (or gettign a cheaper on in)
Too late for cutting the players wages (unless you can come up with some reason to sack them) but you could have signed players at a level and salary fit for the lower divisions
You could trim the backroom operation – oh that already seems to be happening!
You could delay throwing money at fanciful schemes that will not see any break even point and revenue generation for a number of years
However when you have to maintain and run a 5 star stadium and world classs traning facility along with providing services for 40k fans along with all the media, marketing etc for 500m fans world wide, there are costs that cannot be done away with. You need a certain number of people at various levels on various salaries to run the ship.
Namely rates, security, crowd control & policing costs health & safety matters, catering etc etc.
It is a tightrope because on one hand if you reduce the quality of the team you risk loosing support through the gates and not winning promotions.
Pay too much for success and it can’t be sustained by the income generated when in the lower divisions.
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you could cut out the reasons they need to use solicitors.
i just read barcabhoy’s post above; re-sfl3
“Will he further state which way he would vote if his club was in SFL 3, and rather than keep100% of 4000 paying customers entry fee every 2 weeks, he moved to 50% of 4000 and 50% of 300”
== do sevco have to share their home takings at ibrokes with other sfl3 teams ??
wowzer if they do – ya beauty
First sale of RIFC shares below the 70p subscription price this morning.
9-Apr-13 09:08:59 69.90 133 Sell* 69.00 72.00 92.97 O
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
I’m astounded that they have added to the costs not cut them. Management salary and bonuses since the IPO more than outweigh any of the recent cost cutting.
This is management stripping the carcass. Brian Stockbridge £200k + bonus, same for Imran Ahmad before he resigned, Charles Green £350k + bonus. That’s before the 1p shares.
Charlie prattled something about second half of the year costs being 50% of the first six months when the interim results were announced. If that’s true then they lose another £3m for a £10m loss.
I also remember CG saying they would have next season’s ST money accounted this year. Perhaps that is how he can then say T’Gers are at break even.
I dont see how they get anyone off their books and make net savings of any consequence before the financial year end.
Ally looking more and more the patsy, the Lee Harvey Oswald, in all of this.
A patsy on £775k a year.
But still a patsy.
(Cue: pasty jokes)
scapaflow14 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:01
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
As Auldheid and others have argued, you can reduce the wage bill, but what really needs to happen is for Ibrox to go. Ground sharing at Hampden would go along way towards making the finances sustainable in the short to medium term. It won’t happen, as the fans would no more wear that, than Celtic fans would have worn Fergus closing Celtic Park and sharing Hampden.
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However, if you had a stadium which was required for the Commonwealth Games, and that stadium has alleged asbestos problems, perhaps someone might suggest that for public safety, the stadium had to be closed while refurbishment was carried out. Also, if the owners of said stadium went to the games organisers and “asked for assistance with the costs”, to get the stadium ready in time, what would be the answer?
The proverbial two birds with one stone?
barcabhoy says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:08
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Celtic are almost guaranteed to have CL football for the next 3 seasons (barring a fast track invite to Sevco to SPL2).
In the newly proposed reconstruction, 1st place is losing much less (as a percentage) compared to the drop for 2nd place, the winners still earn a hugely disproportionate amount. It’s the reduction in prize money for SPL 2nd place that’s by and large funding the redistribution of cash.
Most televised games are Celtic away games, with the other teams losing out on the home gates receipts (due to reduced home and away fans at games and early kick offs).
So with it looking like Celtic not being affected too much by the changes, what exactly ARE Celtic giving up for the greater good of Scottish football? Please tell.
http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/3694-new-screens-for-ibrox?
NEW BIG SCREENS FOR IBROX
comes up…404 error – something isn’t working
oh dear, deja vu
better hope the polis are not busy on the other side of the city !?
In my view
The real reason the shoehorn is being fought for so desperately is that Div2 and Div 1 will be hard titles to win
Why?
Every single game is against a team with a strong financial interest in preventing TRFC getting out of the Div
Robert Coyle says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:25
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The 11-1 voting structure is the only thing that will stop an SPL2 being formed with a selected invite for a certain club being the 1st thing on some peoples agendas.For the time being(say the next 2 seasons i’m content for this particular structure to stay in place.
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I did wonder at this myself.
As far as I can see it was AFC and CFC that wanted to maintain the 11-1 veto. Did they get whiff of other clubs looking to jump TRFC up to the top table once a 75% majority could carry any motion?
It that is the case then good for them I say.
If this becomes a real sticking point perhaps they can retain an 11-1 majority needed to invite teams up divisions, change promotion/demotion of clubs outside of the normal rules etc and indeed also retain 11-1 for any change to how gate receipts are distributed.
Then agree a 75% majority for all else.
goosygoosy says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:54
The on field performances didn’t exactly set the heather on fire in Div 3. I have more chance of winning the lottery, (that I don’t on principle buy tickets for), than Mr McCoist has of seeing his £10million war chest for new signings.
If anyone is fighting desperately for a shoehorn into a potential SPL2, its because they are terrified that the current commendable attendances at Ranger’s games will not be sustained through the hard slog that Div 2 and Div 1 will be with a squad largely unchanged or even weaker than the current one.
tibfkaelc says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 07:55
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/rangers-chief-charles-green-tells-1819472
CHARLES GREEN has asked Ally McCoist to consider sacking right-hand men Ian Durrant and Kenny McDowall to save his own job …
Chairman Malcolm Murray has yet to comment but a source close to the saga said: “There is a high level of concern about some of the things going on.”
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If this story is true, the parallels with the Sheffield United timeline might be worth checking to their conclusion:
“I am Chief Executive. I take the decisons and I live by them” was Green’s retort to criticism of his operations. In the end he died by them. His position becoming increasingly untenable … His eventual resignation saw him receiving a payment in excess of £100,000 an amount that caused consternation and raised questions when highlighted by fans and shareholders at the AGM. He didn’t do badly for himself out of a relatively unsuccessful spell at Bramall Lane.”
As someone on one of the phone-ins said the other night: “You couldn’t give Charles Green a red face with a blow torch.” 😀
http://aunitedview.blogspot.dk/2012/05/charles-green-he-sells-team.html
heres a wee thought
the SPL signed a 1 year deal with the SFL for broadcasting rights – we are assuming the reconstruction/SPL2 plans are to ensure that deal remains intact next year. (SPL need to deliver Sevco/SFL games)
But could the 1 year deal be designed to have the SKY deal terminated early
Lets say teh SPL can’t secure SFL/Sevco games for next season, they are in breach and the deal is terminated
BT are now in the Football broadcasting game (replacing ESPN and challenging Sky)
One of the Celtic Board is British Telecoms CEO. (PL controls the game you know!!! )
anyway, just putting it out there – could well be a new BT broadcasting contract, without sky, without SFL/Sevco games, regardless of league reconstruction and/or SPL2
Who has the biggest baws in Scottish Football?
In this category I include all managers of clubs, all chairmen of clubs, MSM sport press, members of SFA, SPL and SFL. Let’s look at some candidates that spring to my mind:
Turnbull Hutton has a fair pair as he has spoken out without fear or favour in the past on the steps of Hampden.
Mr Charles Green has a huge pair as he says what he feels and feels what he says. Only problem being is his recent remarks about worst team and racist abuse of his friend this may lead to a deflation of his bags. In the past Charlie’s were inflated by help of MSM but lately they having been letting some air escape from them.
Ally may have a pair not sure at moment. If he has I want to know where they are and their names as a matter of transparency.
Mr Longmuir may have just shown his (chances are they are blue in colour) but they may belong to someone else shortly.
Mr Traynor had a pair in the past when he stated NEW club but seems to have the op since then. Mr Spiers sold his along with his soul to SDM who squeezes them, but sometimes the grip is loosened and Mt Graham will complain about oldco and its history but then the grip gets tighter and he wants oldco/Sevco back at the top.
Mr Cosgrove has a fine pair and they are growing daily, hopefully they will never burst as he really is a contender.
I will leave Mr Doncaster and Mr Regan for others to give their opinion as at the moment both are keeping them tight in their breeks but in saying that Mr Doncaster has slightly flexed his with the 12,12 18 proposal and if sticks by and sees that proposal through he is back in the running.
Now for me at the moment the biggest pair without challenge IMO is Mr Campbell Ogilvie. The whole of the football sporting world in Scotland have over the past spoke about and released information about CO and his relatively shady past mainly at oldco but let’s not forget Hearts. Conflicts of interests concerning EBT’s, signing policies, shares in oldco, lack of administration skills at oldco and the list goes on and on. Even in the corridors of Hampden this cloud of conflict hangs heavy. But this weight in comparison to CO,s scrotum is miniscule. He has a pair that has history they are an institution in their own rights and are steeped in the fabric of society. Nobody it seems is ever going to dispute they are of royal stock. I am surprised the man can walk upright but that he certainly does without fear or favour.
Are there any other candidates out there?? Is there a contender who will have the strength of trying to save Scottish football and the power of sporting integrity to sink the boot into the royal pair? Thought not?
Unless someone does all the baws are burst.
Tom English doing a web chat at mid day, here’s your chance to have a say
http://thesteamie.scotsman.com/viewpost.aspx?id=693
tibfkaelc says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 07:55
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/rangers-chief-charles-green-tells-1819472
CHARLES GREEN has asked Ally McCoist to consider sacking right-hand men Ian Durrant and Kenny McDowall to save his own job …
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To be fair I make Charlie Boy bang right. The coaching at Rangers is fundamentally flawed and has been for years as demonstrated by the negative unattractive football and lack of youth players coming through.
bogsdollox says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 12:25
All very true, but do you honestly believe that Mr Green will bring in high quality replacements and give them the resources and equally important, the years it will take to turn it around?
The auguries ain’t good on that one but YMMV!
scapaflow14 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 12:33
bogsdollox says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 12:25
All very true, but do you honestly believe that Mr Green will bring in high quality replacements and give them the resources and equally important, the years it will take to turn it around?
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Let’s hope not!
Correct scapa, but only if you substitute the word “they” for TRFC.
This is a TRFC problem, one they did not address last year (£11m title), and very much their own problem this year?
And should be of no interest to the SPL clubs or the SPL2 clubs? that don’t exist, and therefore should not have a say, or is that what has happened, the club with no vote is starting it’s own SPL(2). There you go, didn’t mean to, but cracked it. That’s it, new agenda SPL1 & 2 with old old firm games at the end to help the teams in last years Div3 for being a good sport, nearest the goal is the goalie, cock or hen rules for late arrivals, and nae toe B’s.
If we had Messi we could play Messi up front with Ronaldo, if we had Ronaldo. I know, makes as much sense as the SPL2 agenda.
The transfer embargo (registration embargo)
can someone explain this to me
Sevco can sign and register a free transfer on or after 1st sept (after registration embargo ends)
the condition for this is that the player is not registered with a club on the close of the transfer window
Does this mean Sevco can go and spend £150M and sign Messi on August 31st – Barca would terminate his registration with Spanish FA and he would be out of contract/without club – and he could then be registered as out of contract player the next day
(OK, replace £150M with £150 and replace Messi with Broadfoot – but you know what I mean!)
what is to stop the Warchest being opened this summer?
Given that Cammy Bell has signed – does his Sevco contract start on Sept 1st or is he joining them sooner and training/getting paid throughout the summer?
Interesting exchange of tweets – can anyone shed any light on the “very bad news story” for Sevco on Thursday?
Internetbampot @AndyMcCrimmon 2h
@Pmacgiollabhain Given the cleansing effect death has had on Thatcher’s reputation, the The Rangers should consider it…again
Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain 2h
@AndyMcCrimmon As with the individual in question they will have little choice in the matter 😉
Internetbampot @AndyMcCrimmon 2h
@Pmacgiollabhain Shame. Have you got wind of the rumoured very bad news story for THEM on Thursday?
Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain 2h
@AndyMcCrimmon No.Book deadline week so that is priority
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 12:40
Does this mean Sevco can go and spend £150M and sign Messi on August 31st – Barca would terminate his registration with Spanish FA and he would be out of contract/without club – and he could then be registered as out of contract player the next day
(OK, replace £150M with £150 and replace Messi with Broadfoot – but you know what I mean!)
what is to stop the Warchest being opened this summer?
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In theory yes, but in theory it’s the same club and they have a huge sum of cash sitting in the bank.
Don’t see anything stopping pre-contract agreements being signed by sevco.
Galling fiver says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 12:40
I don’t think there will be an SPL2 either, I’m betting on absolutely no change whatsoever. If an SPL2 comes about with an invite for Rangers, (and frankly why bother if no Rangers invite, as you would be better to properly negotiate a complete restructuring), I don’t know if the tumbril’s will start rolling into Hampden, but I am sure a whole bloody convoy of them will be rolling into Celtic Park ;-), and I am equally sure that the powers that be are painfully aware of that.
According to the Twitter, Richard Keys and Andy Gray have had the following exchange today on TalkSport
Keys “looks like a momentous week at Ibrox”
Gray “aye, and not in a good way”
Have you ever had that feeling of déjà vu?
Look at this offering from Wilson in today’s Herald, although look away now if you’re asthmatic – reading it carries a distinct risk of choking:
“The financial crisis of last year, and the takeover saga that followed, diminished the club’s stature. Those values, as well as a culture of excellence, financial sustainability and an ethos of openness, decorum and responsibility, need to be restored.”
Restored? Really? Words fail me……they really do.
Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:02
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According to the Twitter, Richard Keys and Andy Gray have had the following exchange today on TalkSport
Keys “looks like a momentous week at Ibrox”
Gray “aye, and not in a good way”
Have you ever had that feeling of déjà vu?
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Maybe Green has told them something? He’s pretty chummy with those two.
AC on £775K p/a as a 4th tier Scottish Football Club Manager.
Surely another Football World Record can now be claimed……..and in due course the largest ever monetary losses at a 4th tier club…. if their audited annual accounts are ever submitted.
Could be, DP. Am intrigued by this mention of Thursday, shares suspended, admin, what?
Ok guys
If there where to be an SPL 2 ,entry by invite,I would expect any club invited would have to produce financial evidence to match or surpass a critera that would allow such a set up to complete a season, without a member club having to change its name half way through,or some kind of accounts,there is one club out there that financial shennanigans of unreached heights would have to be pulled off to get in ,no!!!.
scapaflow14 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 11:56
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Tom English doing a web chat at mid day, here’s your chance to have a say
http://thesteamie.scotsman.com/viewpost.aspx?id=693
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Excellent live Q&A this …
Rules you say?
barcabhoy’s post earlier, intimated that sevco have to split all sfl3 games 50/50
is this correct?
i didn’t think chico verde would stand for the other sfl3 clubs steali…i mean taking what due to them, if this indeed is way the gates are split.
Cant see any split they way they have been reporting world record crowds at home,when they have not achieved these
jimlarkin
I think what Barcabhoy was getting at is that St Mirren want rid of 11-1 voting system so that a proposal could be put in place regarding gate receipts being shared. What he asked was that would St Mirren want to do this if they were in SFL3 (where they would have highest attendances) and they would have to share their money with clubs who bring less to the table.
yourhavingalaugh
Please don’t suggest they sell Ibrox and move to Hampden. I live near there!
Wish it was Thursday 🙂 has ally been pulled up about his swearing at the ref on Sunday yet? 😉 oh sorry I forgot he’s untouchable where lunny’s concerned silly me!!!
Danish Pastry says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:16
Crappy live exchange. I twice posted questions questioning the SPL Inquiry result and why not a single column inch of note has been written. It didn’t appear. I can only assume the questions are being screened before appearing, and therefore Tom is only answering the questions he likes to look of.
I know there are places a responsible journalist has to be careful not to go until sure, but why not a least ask the questions openly? I would like to add being a tabloid journalist to driving an unmarked police car down the M8 as my list of things I’d like to do for a day. I’d sort out some Rangers “myths” and get a few idiot drivers off the roads.
Danish at 1 :16
I managed to get a question answered.
From Scotsman live chat with Tom English
13:43
Comment From Rob
Tom, in your opinion will there be an SPL 2 next season and,if so, will Rangers be in it ?
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No and no.
But I have been wrong before…
I wonder if its because Sevco no longer get an up front charge of 5% on their away issue. Maybe they misunderstand and class that as going 50:50?
And Wilson just has to be pi55 taking?
beatipacificiscotia says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:51
Got a few in early on re Green’s plans and possible escape.
Not sure Tom has a full grasp on the financial aspects. But then who does??
beatipacificiscotia says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:51
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Danish Pastry says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:16
Crappy live exchange. I twice posted questions questioning the SPL Inquiry result and why not a single column inch of note has been written. It didn’t appear. I can only assume the questions are being screened before appearing, and therefore Tom is only answering the questions he likes to look of ….
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I thought it was very good. There were nearly 600 people firing off questions. Only one comment of mine got through, but I noticed that on that one a little green mark appeared after I sent it. That didn’t happen with the others, so I think there was also a technical issue of actually getting through. It’s a great format. I sent a final comment asking him to invite Stuart Cos on too. More of this say I.
I truly believe I have slipped into Green’s parallet universe.
I have just heard him on STV not only say he had agreed to help rehabilitate CW but that the names of the Rangers investors are a matter of public record. No doubt as clear as his asdfghjkl.ltd company.
Please tell me that the reporter should have reacted to that and demanded to be told the names.
There must be some cracking Whyte tapes still to come.
Stifler’s Mom says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 13:05
Look at this offering from Wilson in today’s Herald, although look away now if you’re asthmatic – reading it carries a distinct risk of choking:
“The financial crisis of last year, and the takeover saga that followed, diminished the club’s stature. Those values, as well as a culture of excellence, financial sustainability and an ethos of openness, decorum and responsibility, need to be restored.”
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I totally agree with Wilson that: ‘A culture of excellence, financial sustainability and an ethos of openness, decorum and responsibility, need to be restored’ at the Glasgow Herald before it dies from the weak pro-Establishment journalism which is destroying the paper.
If another bout of Admin is a real possibility, tRFC better watchout and make sure the tax man is paid….Mr Longmuir was scathing and unyeilding, when dealing with clubs in the past who had been through an insolvency event, even if it was whilst members of a seperate organisation (SPL)……
‘We are of the opinion that lessons are not being learned,’
‘For example, clubs have to realise that, going forward, they cannot treat their HMRC obligations as something akin to a credit card’
‘‘duty to protect the integrity and on-going smooth-running of the league’.
This was of course when Dundee FC entered Admin for a second spell, worth noting his comments again if it were to pass that an SFL club went into Admin for a second time! 😉
Sugar Daddy says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 10:41
yourhavingalaugh says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 09:08
same for Imran Ahmad before he resigned
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When did Imran resign as I thought he was still commercial director of TRFCL. For some reason he didn’t go onto the RIFC Plc board but there will be method in the madness.
I expected a roll out of all the same ole faces (silent e in there) after CW tape gate II. But they never came out to play, feel so stupid now. Never mind, maybe even they don’t want anywhere near what’s coming on Thursday, if we have survived nuclear war that is. Them Koreans what they like(don’t answer that Charles).
I think Cammy Bell cannot put pen to paper until September 1st, unless it is in a non-footballing capacity. So maybe a three month contract as some sort of liaison officer or maybe a scouting role for the summer
Ok a wee poll
Thumbs up if you believe something genuinely explosive will happen on Thursday
Thumbs down if you think there will be at best a damp squib
We’ll see who is right on Friday morning!
Will the new screens at Ibrox be of the ‘hover’ variety?
arabest1 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 14:27
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Will the new screens at Ibrox be of the ‘hover’ variety?
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Gold plated Blu Ray hover variety (and probably coin operated too)
scottc says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 14:25
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I think Cammy Bell cannot put pen to paper until September 1st, unless it is in a non-footballing capacity. So maybe a three month contract as some sort of liaison officer or maybe a scouting role for the summer
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Physio?
Facilities manager?
they may even need a coaching team soon!
Cammy Bell can join The Rangers FC and start being paid as soon as his contract with Kilmarnock expires. He cannot though be registered as a member of the playing staff until 1st September. There is a subtle difference there.
Who knows what Thursday might bring.
Lets be honest, nothing would surprise you with this ongoing circus.
However, if another administration is inevitable, would it not be in the interests of TRFC to take the points deduction now?
I wouldn’t expect anything less of Mr Green.
The money is definitely running out? His thinking would be why take the points hit next season in what may be a competitive league, when they can get the quick fix administration now and still have sufficient points in the bag to gain promotion.
The chief exec of the SFL would no doubt prefer it this way too!
scapaflow14 says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 14:25
….Thumbs down if you think there will be at best a damp squib
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Damp Squib probably.
I usually feel pessimistic when I hear the clacking of Madam Defarge’s kitting needles on this forum.
Mind you the way things are going……
Theoldcourse says
Do you have a link to that interpretation?
I have been wondering why an embargo on players seems to exclude “signing” them, meaning agreeing a contract, even if they can’t actually play due for example, to season dates. Why would this be right? An embargoed club agreeing a contract within the embargo period means the embargo is flawed. A club can’t play every player they sign (15 per game of course) but having them in their squad is an advantage in all kinds of ways especially if you are signing players so the opposition cant have them. Some previous here for RFC. The argument that its the player’s right to agree a contract within 6 months of an existing one finishing is fine normally but that should exclude any with an embargoed club!
Am i the only person bothered by this?
Captain Haddock, I have no link but that is my interpretation of the ruling that was handed down. They were very clear that it was a REGISTRATION embargo. I am sure Mr Bell and his agent will have a greed a suitable signing fee to cover that period of unemployment from his previous employment with Kilmarnock until 1st September 2013. It not really that much of a problem for me. There are not that many players who might agree to such a deal and of course The Rangers FC are still going to have to field a team and pay them for the month of August.
scottc says
I think Cammy Bell cannot put pen to paper until September 1st, unless it is in a non-footballing capacity. So maybe a three month contract as some sort of liaison officer or maybe a scouting role for the summer
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Rangers are under a registration embargo, not a signing ban. They can sign any out of contract players now but only register tehn come 1st September.
Being only an “Associate” member club must jeopardise Sevco’s chances of surviving another Administration. To all intents and purposes they are currently on probation and would surely be seen as a complete liability at Park Gardens,if a similar scenario ensued.
OK , Am being Stupit………….
For info. re. player signings. It’s registration rather than signing that’s important, I think. The rules appear to leave wriggle room for players out of contract.
The Tribunal found Rangers FC guilty in respect of Rule 66 and imposed the maximum fine of £100,000 payable within 12 months. In addition, the Tribunal imposed a prohibition in terms of Article 94.1 and 95 of the Articles of Association, prohibiting Rangers FC for a period of 12 months from the date of determination from seeking registration with the Scottish FA of any player not currently with the club, excluding any player under the age of 18 years.
1. REGISTRATION PERIODS
Registration Periods will apply to professional Players (as defined in the FIFA Regulations) who compete in football at Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League level. The Registration Periods will not apply to amateur Players (as defined in the FIFA Regulations).
1.1 T o those Clubs to which Registration Periods apply, a professional Player may only be registered to play for such a Club during one of two Registration Periods per year as determined by the Board from time to time. Notwithstanding the foregoing provision, a professional Player who has failed to find employment during a registration period may sign and be registered for a Club outwith the Registration Periods.
1.2 I nternationally and Domestically, a professional Player may be registered with a
maximum of three Clubs to which registration periods apply during one playing season. Notwithstanding the foregoing the professional Player is only eligible to play official matches for two Clubs, to which registration periods apply, in any one playing season.
1.3 T he Scottish FA will effect the registration of professional Players during two
Registration Periods and will provide the Club for which the professional Player is
registered with a Player Passport indicating the Club(s) said Player has been registered with since his 12th birthday.
1.4 T he Scottish FA may in its absolute discretion, in exceptional circumstances, sanction an application for registration of a professional Player outwith the Registration Periods subject to specific conditions, Board approval and, where required, approval of FIFA.