Fair Play at FIFA?

The following post comes about as a result of the research and work put in by Auldheid.

He has drafted the submission to FIFA detailed below after closely looking at their rules, and taking on board the points contained in the Glasnost “Golden Rule” blog. TSFM has attached the blog’s name to the report since the overwhelming – but not unanimous – view of our readership is that the SFA and the SPL have again gotten themselves into an almighty and embarrassingly amateur fankle over this issue.

We believe that tens of thousands of football fans will be lost to the game if the outcome of the LNS enquiry is not perceived to be commensurate with the scope and extent of the rule breaking that LNS found had taken place. In view of this, we believe that we have to do what we can to explore all possibilities for justice for those who love the game so much and yet are utterly disillusioned by recent events.

LNS is not being questioned here. He has found that RFC were guilty as charged by the SPL.

What is being questioned is the SFA’s crucial – and seemingly conflicted  – role in the LNS enquiry, as is the effectiveness of LNS’s recommended sanction as either a deterrent or an upholder of sporting integrity.

It came to our notice last week that FIFA have created a web site at

https://www.bkms-system.net/bkwebanon/report/clientInfo?cin=6fifa61&language=eng

that tells us that FIFA have implemented a regulatory framework which is intended to ensure that all statutory rules, rules of conduct and internal guidelines of FIFA are respected and complied with.

In support of that regulatory framework FIFA have set up the above site as a reporting mechanism by means of which inappropriate behaviour and infringements of the pertinent regulations may be reported.

FIFA say that their jurisdiction encompasses misconduct that (1) relates to match manipulation; (2) occurs in or affects more than one confederation, so that it cannot adequately be addressed by a single confederation; or (3) would ordinarily be addressed by a confederation or association, but, under the particular facts at issue, has not been or is unlikely to be dealt with appropriately at that level.

Discussions arising from the previous blog on TSFM, “Gilt Edged Justice”, which was published after Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) ruled on the registration of Rangers players who had contractual side letters that were not disclosed to the SFA as part of their registration, suggest that there may be possible unfortunate consequences for football arising from the evidence presented by the SFA to the LNS enquiry that informed its findings on registration and consequent eligibility. There is also a question of the propriety of the SFA providing evidence on an issue which could have had a negative impact on them had it been found that they had failed to carrying out their registration duties with due rigour over a period of ten years when the existence of EBTs was known to officials within the SFA.

On the basis that the LNS findings require that registration rules be clarified by FIFA and rewritten globally if necessary to remove any ambiguity and under clause 3 above, this appears to be an issue that the FIFA should examine and that the SFA cannot address.

The following report has therefore been submitted by TSFM on behalf of its readers to FIFA drawing on the content and debate following the “Gilt Edged Justice” blog in respect of the possible footballing consequences of the LNS enquiry.

The hope is that by speaking for so many supporters, FIFA will give the TSFM submission some weight, but individuals are free of course to make their own points in their own way.  We await acknowledgement of the submission.

The report Submitted to FIFA is as follows;

This report was prepared on behalf of the 10,000-strong readership of The Scottish Football Monitor at http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/
It is our belief that FIFA general rules of conduct were breached by the SFA and their employees in both creating and then advising The Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) enquiry into the non disclosure of full payment information to the Scottish Football Association (SFA) by Rangers F.C during a period of player registration over 10 years from 2000.

We believe that although the issue has been addressed by the SFA the particular facts at issue suggest that it has not been dealt with appropriately and we therefore ask FIFA to investigate. The facts at issue are that the process and advice given failed to uphold sporting integrity, and that a conflict of interest was at play.

We believe the advice provided and the enquiry set up, where SFA both advised and is the appellant body, breaches not only the integrity the registration rules were intended to uphold, but also totally undermines the integrity of the SFA in breach of General Conduct rules 1, 2 and 4. (See below.)

1.  Firstly we believe that the advice supplied to LNS that an incorrectly registered player was eligible to play as long as the registration was accepted by the SFA however unwittingly, undermines the intent of the SPL/SFA rules on player registration and so undermines the integrity of football in three ways.

• It incentivises clubs to apply for a player to be registered even if they know that the conditions of registration are not satisfied, in the hope that the application will somehow ‘slip through the net’ and be granted anyway (in which case it will be valid until revoked).

• A club which discovers that it has made an error in its application is incentivized to say nothing and to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ – because it would be in a better position by not confessing its mistake.

• And most importantly, it incentivises fraud.  By deliberately concealing relevant information, a club can ensure that a player who does not satisfy the registration conditions is treated as being eligible – and therefore allowed to play – for as long as a period as possible (potentially his entire spell with the club). Then, if the club is no longer around when the deception is finally discovered, imposing meaningful sanctions may be impossible.

2.   Secondly we believe the process followed was inappropriate due to a Conflict of Interest. Had the LNS enquiry not ruled on the basis of advice supplied by The SFA, they and those persons advising the LNS enquiry, could have been subjected to censure and the SFA to potential compensation claims had LNS found that the players were indeed ineligible to play and results then been annulled as was SFA practice when an ineligible player played.

3.  Finally we contend that a law should not be applied according to its literal meaning if to do so would lead to an absurdity or a manifest injustice or in this case loss of football integrity.
See http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/gilt-edged-justice/

4. We therefore ask FIFA to investigate both the process used and advice given to Lord Nimmo Smith to satisfy themselves that FIFA’s intentions with regard to upholding the integrity of football under FIFA rules have not been seriously damaged by the LNS findings and also to reassure Scottish football supporters that the integrity of our game has not been sacrificed by the very authority in whose care it has been placed to promote the short term cause of commercialism to the games long term detriment.

General Rules of Conduct (These are taken from the FIFA web site itself and can be found as part of completing the submission process)

1. Persons bound by this Code are expected to be aware of the importance of their duties and concomitant obligations and responsibilities.

2. Persons bound by this Code are obliged to respect all applicable laws and regulations as well as FIFA’s regulatory framework to the extent applicable to them.

3. N/A

4. Persons bound by this Code may not abuse their position in any way, especially to take advantage of their position for private aims or gains.

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4,057 thoughts on “Fair Play at FIFA?


  1. I recall at school certain pupils were referred to by teachers as having brians in their feet if they were good at footie but not the sharpest tool in the box. Listening to SSB tonighy DJ fits that bill.


  2. Green– Whyte— Amber— RED!!!!!

    SFA in the dock now– they know and we know what undertakings were given to get a football licence.

    Is it a coincidence that all of this has happened now after the 3rd division title has been won?

    Can it all be sorted out before the start of next season and where do Mr Bryson’s rules on proper registration and eligibility apply when it comes to club officials?

    Dare I ask the question– does a club who misled the league and the SFA to get a licence get to keep the 3rd division title if the CEO told blatant lies to get them into the league in the first place?

    The mind fair boggles.


  3. briggsbhoy says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:25

    DJ has no brain cells in his body, pathetic excuse of a football impersonator


  4. I have a post in moderation but believe it or not the fella on FF reposted by scapaflow14 made it much better than I could hope to! Are they waking up? Finally!


  5. So, a governing organisation bent the rules to accommodate a new member, thereby putting that organisation’s credibiity at risk.

    Now it appears that this rule bending was based on deception.

    Regardless of what happens to the new member – in this scenario – would the head of the governing organsiation not have to resign forthwith ?

    [I am thinking Regan certainly – but possibly Longmuir too. Won’t hold my breath though…]


  6. 2 things:

    1. The Disposition of the assets was from the Admins direct to Sevco Scotland “in the terms of an Agreement” – I don’t know anyone who has seen the terms of said Agreement. Maybe it mentions Sevco5088? It would certainly be interesting to look it over.

    2. It would be nice to spend a day where Rangers, entirely through their own doings, past and present, weren’t the number one story in “sport”.

    🙁


  7. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:28

    Dare I ask the question– does a club who misled the league and the SFA to get a licence get to keep the 3rd division title if the CEO told blatant lies to get them into the league in the first place?
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    I’ve said it before on RTC and here, the club should have been expelled and records expunged when they had the chance

    Now is the best chance to get rid of Regan, Doncaster, Ogilvie and Longmuir for them bending over backwards and being complicit in this debacle. They, and RFC(IL) are ALL responsible.


  8. Shit for brains “well we don’t know that yet” DJ on SSB, my God wake up son the truth is out there and has been for a longtime.


  9. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:28

    Green– Whyte— Amber— RED!!!!!

    SFA in the dock now– they know and we know what undertakings were given to get a football licence.

    Is it a coincidence that all of this has happened now after the 3rd division title has been won?

    Can it all be sorted out before the start of next season and where do Mr Bryson’s rules on proper registration and eligibility apply when it comes to club officials?

    Dare I ask the question– does a club who misled the league and the SFA to get a licence get to keep the 3rd division title if the CEO told blatant lies to get them into the league in the first place?

    The mind fair boggles.
    …………………………………..

    You seem to forget…the SFA have no shame what so ever! So ignoring this latest bout of dishonesty should be fairly staright forward for them!


  10. theglen2012 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:50

    2. It would be nice to spend a day where Rangers, entirely through their own doings, past and present, weren’t the number one story in “sport”.

    ========================================

    You support the expulsion of TRFC from Scottish football then ?

    Good choice. 😉


  11. The final nail in the coffin http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/stv-reveal-new-green-whyte-links-can-green-survive/comment-page-1/#comment-66763

    The director notifications for Sevco 5088 Ltd received at Companies House today show the address given for Green as: 48 SKYLINES VILLAGE, SKYLINES VILLAGE, LIME HARBOUR, LONDON, E14 9TS.

    That is also the address given as the registered office.

    On a very quick look the only thing I can see at that address is: ’1SC GUARDING LIMITED’ which is a security company whose director is David Anthony Jones who might have no connection with Mr Green or Sevco 5088 Ltd.

    There is a similarly named company ’1SC GUARDING (UK) LLP’ whose address is KINGS LODGE, LONDON ROAD, WEST KINGSDOW, SEVENOAKS. TN15 6AR.

    The two members of the Limited Liability partnership are the same David Anthony Jones of the Sevenoaks address and INDEPENDENT SECURITY CONSULTANTS SERVICES LIMITED of 48 Skylines.

    The APPLICATION FOR STRIKING-OFF Sevco 5088 Ltd was made on 07/01/2013. This application is important to see who applied for the striking-off.

    Because Mr Green told STV with regard to Mr Whyte and Mr Earley’s involvement in Sevco 5088: “Neither of them had a role in Sevco 5088. That was a company formed by Field Fisher Waterhouse for the purpose of acquiring Rangers.

    “Of course, what everyone knows, in the ensuing weeks, as the model unfolded, Sevco Scotland acquired Rangers, not Sevco 5088.

    “The company that was originally formed was not required and was handed back to Craig Whyte.”

    So if the company was handed back to Wee Craigie then either he or someone acting on his behalf you would have thought would have applied for the striking-off.

    But if it was Mr Green that would strike me as strange because he has stated to STV that the company was handed back to Craig Whyte. However if it was FFW then whose instructions were they acting on?

    Does the plot thicken or is it becoming clearer? Judge for yourself:

    The Striking-off notice was signed by Charles Green on 27/12/2012 and the agents are given as Caroline Nicholls of FFW 35 Vine Street, London.

    So we have another unanswered question. If Mr Green handed Sevco 5088 back to Craigie in May 2012 why is he applying to cancel it in late December 2012. I would have thought it had nothing to do with him.

    Did FFW know that there were two other directors and if they did why weren’t these directors also contacted re the striking-off? And if FFW weren’t told of this fact is that something for the dossier 🙂

    Oh I should have added some of those pesky little legal bits as it helps Strathpol.

    Green signed the Striking-off form as a director of Sevco 5088. The rules require that only one director need sign if the company only has a sole director well that’s the only sensible thing I’ve seen all day.

    But if there are two directors then both must sign and if there are 3 or more the majority must sign and those rules are printed on the form Green signed.

    And then more of that annoying bureaucracy! Notice of the striking-off application must be made to all other directors within 7 days of it being made and failure to do so is an offence.

    I know how much Green loves the geegees so I must observe that in the Dossier Stakes I reckon that Craigie is several lengths clear of Green’s dead horse which doesn’t even look as though it has enough steam left to cross the finishing line. I reckon all bets are off 🙂


  12. theglen2012 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:50
    ………………………………..

    I honestly cannot see an end to this anytime soon Glen…


  13. StevieBC says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:56
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    Ehhhh….I was misquoted!


  14. theglen2012 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:50
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    2 things:

    1. The Disposition of the assets was from the Admins direct to Sevco Scotland “in the terms of an Agreement” – I don’t know anyone who has seen the terms of said Agreement. Maybe it mentions Sevco5088? It would certainly be interesting to look it over.

    2. It would be nice to spend a day where Rangers, entirely through their own doings, past and present, weren’t the number one story in “sport”.

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    Mr Green’s representative on 27th June 2012 was quoted as saying:-

    “For the avoidance of doubt, Sevco 5088 Limited bought the assets of the Rangers Football Club and then transferred them to Sevco Scotland Limited so that all the assets would be in the Scottish registered company that is Rangers FC.”

    from: http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/mr-whyte-mr-green-sevco-5088-sevco-scotland-and-prospectus-risk-factors/


  15. theglen2012 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 19:50

    2 things:

    1. The Disposition of the assets was from the Admins direct to Sevco Scotland “in the terms of an Agreement” – I don’t know anyone who has seen the terms of said Agreement. Maybe it mentions Sevco5088? It would certainly be interesting to look it over.

    2. It would be nice to spend a day where Rangers, entirely through their own doings, past and present, weren’t the number one story in “sport”.

    ==========================

    As your inverted commas indicate, this is not a story about sport, it’s about lying, cheating, deception and fraud.

    This is front page news, not back page. The fact that it is a sporting business is an irrelevance.


  16. Scottish football needs someone to step forward and raise a standard, a focal point for the rest to rally. Someone to table a vote of no confidence in the current incumbents and begin a process of recovery, that includes justice, integrity (and maybe even reconstruction!) The administrators have demonstrated at every juncture that they are simply not fit for purpose. Step forward the venerable Turnbull Hutton and watch the rest of the game funnel in behind his lead????


  17. Im sevco, no im sevco, no im sevco,, nah im sevco, feck off im sevco, cant we all be sevco, who knows lets ask D Murray haha just my take.


  18. chipm0nk says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:07
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    I agree 100%.

    And Rangers fans are among those who are being affected.

    Sometimes that can be missed due to the behaviour of those parts of the support who (a) like to blame their problems on everyone else and (b) live in another century.


  19. Who best to assist Green and Ahmed in compiling their Dossier on Whyte.

    Alistair Campbell or Paul Baxendale Walker?


  20. Gawd love the Bears on the Darkside discussing whether Green should stay away from the game tomorrow.

    ‘You might get 2 “Green must go” crayon banners,but I give bears more credit than this.I doubt there will be any significant protest,and frankly,when the day comes that a Rangers CEO is advised to stay away from Ibrox,because of a miniscule element,will be a very sad day indeed.’

    I can only assume that Green’s memory problems are proving highly contagious or it was a significant element of the support that Green was hiding from in safe houses when his life was threatened by them.

    If I ever have a spare day I must try and count-up all the people who might feel they were in serious physical danger if they showed their face at Ibrox. If the Bears are lucky there might be one last chance left to put their house in order and cut out the cr*p – if they don’t they will be gone and they will have no one left but themselves to blame not even their past owners IMO.


  21. macbrayne says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:20

    Who best to assist Green and Ahmed in compiling their Dossier on Whyte.

    Alistair Campbell or Paul Baxendale Walker?
    ====================================

    One would “sex the dossier up”…

    but I couldn’t imagine what the other chap would do with it… 🙄


  22. macbrayne says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:20
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    Who best to assist Green and Ahmed in compiling their Dossier on Whyte.

    Alistair Campbell or Paul Baxendale Walker?
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    Better either of those two than Dr John Reid, his devastating dossiers never see the light of day 😉


  23. theglen2012 says:

    I agree.

    However to a large extent the Rangers fans must accept that they not only sat by and watched this happen, they actually attacked anyone who tried to tell them what was going on.

    It happened with Murray, it happened with Whyte, it is happening with Green. It is ongoing, even now.

    Everything is a conspiracy, everyone else is out to get them, mostly it is being orchestrated by Peter Lawwell and some cabal of the media, the footballing authorities and just about anyone else they can dream up.

    Unfortunately they should have looked inwards, at Murray, Green, Whyte and the other directors who sat back and watched what was going on.


  24. To summarised my thought on what happened with the tale of the two Sevcos

    Based on the documents, interviews and tapes in the public domain it is likely that D&P negotiated the deal with Sevco 5088 with Green as the front man for Whyte and Earley (all three were directors at 9th May). Whyte and Earley both provided funding towards the exclusive rights to negotiate the deal with D&P.

    Very close to 14th June (date of the CVA failure & asset sale), Green provided D&P with the authority, or an assignation, on behalf of Sevco 5088 to transfer the assets to Sevco Scotland (only with Green as director) under the premise of having the assets transferred to a Scottish based company.

    Whyte claims that neither he nor Earley were aware of, or at least authorised, this deal. They may have been aware of it but assumed that they would get their cut of the new company. Green has since said that Whyte claimed 25% of the newco. That would make sense if Green, Ahmed, Whyte and Earley had set up the initial deal.

    Green has said that he shafted Whyte, which I think is correct, in that Whyte and Earley have been excluded from any rights to Sevco Scotland.

    Basically one Spiv has shafted another Spiv.

    What I would like to know, or at least have sight of the documentation, is what Green provided to D&P authorising the sale of assets directly to Sevco Scotland. Did D&P act in good faith or were they party to the gang rape of Whyte?

    This story is going to run and run, with a fair chance that one or more of the participants will face court action down the line.


  25. Apologies for the typos above, but one other question.

    Did Oldco RFC actually provide the funds that financed the exclusivity deal between Sevco 5088 and D&P through the £250,000 paid to Banstead who had one or more of the Earleys as directors?


  26. oldcobrokemyheartbycheating says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:14

    Im sevco, no im sevco, no im sevco,, nah im sevco, feck off im sevco, cant we all be sevco, who knows lets ask D Murray haha just my take.
    ————————————————————-
    I’m sevco, no I’M sevco. I’m Sevco, and so’s my wife!

    Cheer up Chico, You know what they say,
    Some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad,
    other things just make you swear and curse
    When you’re chewing on lifes gristle,
    don’t grumble, give a whistle
    and this will help things turn out for the best (all together now!)

    ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo


  27. Can’t get my head round who is buying shares, can someone tell me what a shareholder has a share in again, and if possible is there any reward in owning a load of them at any point, takeover, tax break anything. The trading thing is not sinking in, as I have not seen a reason for buying if they dont make tied in date. Sorry for being fick.


  28. FF are now praising bomber for being right all along!!!!!!!

    let’s watch them eat their young!!!!


  29. easyJambo says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:36

    What I would like to know, or at least have sight of the documentation, is what Green provided to D&P authorising the sale of assets directly to Sevco Scotland. Did D&P act in good faith or were they party to the gang rape of Whyte?
    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I think it worth remembering that Green was in Ibrox working with D&P before the assets of oldco were sold – who knows what level of access he had and what might have happened.

    But you’re right the critical thing that we have worked back to is that very tighttime and legal window separating Sevco 5088 Ltd and Sevco Scotland Ltd and the roles that the footballing authorities, D&P and Green, Ahmad, Whyte and Earlie played.

    This must be a key area for BDO to investigate and, of course, Strathpol, the SFA, and Uncle Tom Cobley an all.

    Tbh I tend to believe Whyte’s story more than Green’s and that certainly says something about the man because I wouldn’t trust Whyte for a nanosecond. But the reason is that there isn;t really anything that Whyte has been caught-out on whereas so many of Green’s claims have been blown out the water or just sound fantasy.


  30. erfeelgood says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:42

    HaHa brilliant, C Heston, C Green the similarities are brilliant, out of date NRA organization Mr Heston with self deluded belief’s, Mr Green CEO of organization desperate to cling on to past, of things I probably can’t say on here. HaHa happy Friday all.


  31. theglen2012 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:16

    Glen fair point, there is every chance that a lot of folk who just wanted to help their team are going to lose money they can’t really afford to lose.


  32. So here’s a question.

    If the Duff and Duffer sale to sevco green comes apart, I presume that means that the IPO comes apart, and that green has no shares in nothing. If I created am illegitimate company and paid himself out of it’s coffers would he now have to give back his salary?


  33. Galling fiver says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:43

    Can’t get my head round who is buying shares, can someone tell me what a shareholder has a share in again, and if possible is there any reward in owning a load of them at any point, takeover, tax break anything. The trading thing is not sinking in, as I have not seen a reason for buying if they dont make tied in date. Sorry for being fick.
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    You’re not thick you’re just not a spiv with inside knowledge of what’s actually going on.

    I gave it all up a long time ago as these guys are always 10 steps ahead of you because they know the plan and outsiders don’t. So unless you are lucky you will get shafted most of the time.


  34. havent seen this posted yet, taken from hibs forum, twitter is always nonsense but :pray:

    @timomouse: As for grapevine rumours, before trading opens on Monday, Rangers shares will be suspended and an announcement made to AIM

    @timomouse: This will be regarding an MVL in which shares will pass immediately to a consortium headed by Walter Smith for a new newco.

    @timomouse: However, they will not have deeds to Ibrox and Murray Park. The rest of season will be 3-0 defeats with newco starting in Paisley in SFL2

    @timomouse: The Rangers Football Club Est 2012 will play their last ever game at Ibrox tomorrow.


  35. Before I get too carried away with the thought of Sevco being punished by the SFA, I keep recalling what that cabal have gone through to ensure their continued existence.The rule breaking,the rule invention, the delays in process, the threats of Armageddon and the 5-way con job. I can only think that if CG gets sacked, then the cabal will again jump to aid Sevco. They will find a way to distance the other directors by saying they have taken quick action against CG and they were also duped.

    I hope I am wrong, but.

    Is it just me?


  36. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:10
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    Before I get too carried away with the thought of Sevco being punished by the SFA, I keep recalling what that cabal have gone through to ensure their continued existence.The rule breaking,the rule invention, the delays in process, the threats of Armageddon and the 5-way con job. I can only think that if CG gets sacked, then the cabal will again jump to aid Sevco. They will find a way to distance the other directors by saying they have taken quick action against CG and they were also duped.

    I hope I am wrong, but.

    Is it just me?
    ————————————————-
    No you are not wrong, you just need to go back and read Humble Pies excellent piece from the early hours.


  37. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:10

    It’s not just you. We can’t beat ‘The Establishment’.


  38. There is not a hope in hell of Sevco playing in an SPL2.


  39. Cheers eco, you overestimate me, should I buy now ? #trigger


  40. Any news from the Sevco board meeting this evening?

    Will Charles Green be having a breakaway biscuit his tea?


  41. Scotzine has just posted that the Rangers trade mark is owned by The Rangers Football Club LTD not Rangers International


  42. HumblePie hit the nail on the head. The SFA will never impose any rule or regulation which damages Rangers in any way.In fact they will rip up any rule of the game or the land or logic to protect their supposed existence even when they are dead and their next incarnation is revealed as a fraudulent and possibly illegal organisation and even though the finances of the game have been brought to their knees by their persistent misconduct and recklessness.
    Sadly of course the SFA is the incarnation of all of the clubs in Scotland. It’s not just the corrupt individuals at the top who are rotten to the core but all of those in charge of all of the clubs in whose name this monstrosity is perpetrated.


  43. Galling fiver says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 20:43

    Can’t get my head round who is buying shares, can someone tell me what a shareholder has a share in again, and if possible is there any reward in owning a load of them at any point, takeover, tax break anything. The trading thing is not sinking in, as I have not seen a reason for buying if they dont make tied in date. Sorry for being fick.
    _________________________________________________

    who is buying shares?

    These shares are traded in an open market. Ignore the fact that some are owned by directors for the moment.

    If you can foresee a share price falling, it is as good as spotting a share that will rise. The technique is called “short selling”. In this case you sell shares that you don’t own via your broker. Hopefully, the share price falls as you have predicted. You then buy the required number of shares via your broker to cover your position. (Of course if the price goes up you learn a valuable lesson). I’ve no idea if this is happening in this case but it is one reason why “buys” would appear when most people would have the same question as you at this point.


  44. In essence the problems genuine Rangers and Pars fans face is greed. If theyare to reform, they need to resolve to move to a new ground.

    Celtic faced a greedy landlord more than 115 years ago and built a new ground.

    Rangers and Dunfermline will remain crippled financially if they remain in hock to rogue landlords. A short term move, assuming a new Sevco emegres, would force the landlotd’s hand, be it Green, Whyte or Masterton.

    I wish the genuine fans of both teams well.

    One of the biggest losers tonight is Stewart Gilmour, friend and confidante of Mr Green. His club, after its biggest triumph in 26 years, has been humiliated and now risks being taken over by Rangers’ minded folk once TRFC goes into mvl.

    It is too costly to start a club from scratch, far less one of Rangers’ ambitions. The only, ONLY, way back to the SPL for Rangers is to take over another club. St Mirren is the obvious candidate.


  45. scapaflow14 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:31

    Anyone know what the filing deadlines are for form AP01?

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    I would have thought that the document became legal at the time of signing. Not filing the document doesn’t render the document void, just opens up the people responsible for filing it to prosecution for not keeping companies house up to date. AFAIK,


  46. slimshady61 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:41
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    With what money? If the administration sale comes apart. then no sevco scotland, no IPO, no cash.


  47. The SFA at the time of issuing a license to sevco were unaware of anything untoward. Therefore no problem here. Protocol the LNS enquiry. Move along bampot and let great administrators do…….erm….what is it again?


  48. You had me right up to the “don’t own ” part. Told you@special. Had a few, I’ll try reading again tomorrow.


  49. scapaflow14 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:31

    Anyone know what the filing deadlines are for form AP01?
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    I have found that submission deadlines for Companies House forms are routinely broken and usually nothing happens to the offender.


  50. scapaflow14 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:29

    Scotzine has just posted that the Rangers trade mark is owned by The Rangers Football Club LTD not Rangers International
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    Yea but TRFCL is a wholly-owned subsidiary of RIFC Plc if my recollection of the AIM Prospectus is correct.


  51. Humble Pie says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 00:04

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    Hanlon’s Razor

    I think this deserves elevation to the status of a TSFM blog page in its own right. One is Probably overdue in any case.

    Any chance Big Pink?


  52. Just to clarify something: Phil McGB did not say there was an emergency board meeting happening right now. There is however a board meeting scheduled before tomorrow’s game. It is this to which he was referring, I think.


  53. slimshady61 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:41

    …..One of the biggest losers tonight is Stewart Gilmour, friend and confidante of Mr Green

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    ” friend and confidante ”

    ..what are you basing this on?

    Gilmour was very scathing of Mr Green the last time I heard


  54. So now the link between Whyte and Green seems to be clear and will no doubt result in an over late media frenzy. I don’t know about anybody else but I fully expect Green to be jettisoned with haste although this may not assist in the issue of who, or what, actually owns the assets.

    This is clearly an issue for the police to become involved in as it appears to involve fraud, and conspiracy to defraud creditors which to be fair is Craig Whyte’s modus operandi. It also brings into question the role of the administrators Duff and Phelps in this process. Most people commented that they have never witnessed an administration like this at a football club. No staff were made redundant indeed they attempted to sign a player, Daniel Cousan, to increase costs. That should have rung alarm bells for anyone who has witnessed the administrations at Motherwell, Dundee, Portsmouth and lately Dunfermline. So instead of ensuring that the company at least traded on a break even basis until the CVA was voted on it seems that they actually racked up another £4M debt as well as their own £5M in charges. This process we are led to believe is still under investigation after allegations of a conflict of interest although like most issues this tawdry affair it is moving at the pace of an asthmatic snail.

    One would think that the court processes themselves should be in the dock given the length of time it takes to get a decision while everyone; lawyers on both sides, court costs rack up. When is the powers that be going to wake up and realise that the people involved in this thrive on the slow legal processes that eventually bring them to account. If indeed it ever does.
    Now I’ve spoken above about the business aspects of this debacle above but we should not forget that this is actually a sport we are talking about.

    What is it that the people that run our sport cannot understand?
    To make our league competitive they are attempting to shoe horn in a club that guarantees a £10M loss per annum. They tell us it’s because of sponsorship for the game. They tell us it is because of the TV contract. They tell us it is for the good of the game. If our sport depends on a club like this then frankly football in this country deserves to die.

    Will anything be done regarding the latest revelations on STV tonight? I doubt it as the main characters in the SFA, SPL and SFL are in this up to their necks. I think the only thing that would bring them down is a tape from Craig Whyte where they promise an SPL title in two years!
    For good or bad these culprits must now come clean and disclose all details within the five way agreement. What is it that has been promised within this document? We keep being told to move on. Well until honesty and transparency has been restored to football in this country the simply we can’t. Until people who made shady deals and gave dishonest testimony at hearings are dealt with we can’t move on.

    If ‘The Rangers’ suffer another insolvency event what happens then? Will they be sent back to Division Three again, or Two if reconstruction goes through, if they are forced into liquidation. Will they just be allowed to continue this time as if nothing has happened? That is the problem they are now faced with because they have started down a road where there seems to be no way back.


  55. Three Questions and a recollection/

    1) Can you really hold on to an APO1 form for 11 months before submitting it?

    2) (One for Bryson) once registered, as it seemed to have been acted upon today, does the APO1 stand until revoked, even if it is later found to be incorrect or even forged?

    3) The SFA ban on Whyte was to stop him holding any office relating to Scottish Football.
    Does that exclude having a link or a hold over a PLC that rents out a stadium and training facility to the limited company that holds the license/registration?

    I thought the blackmail one earlier today was a beezer but it is the gift that keeps giving.

    RECOLLECTIONS

    Paul Murray and Brian Kennedy are now looking like saints.
    While I always thought Kennedy was probably looking for a rent back the stadium type deal I thought he was pretty upset at the time when Green came out of left field and that his final shot across D&P’s bows was heartfelt and genuine.

    For those who have forgotten.

    Brian Kennedy insists the Rangers administrators will have ‘blood on their hands’ if they make another wrong call in picking the next king of Ibrox.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2143254/Rangers-crisis-Brian-Kennedy-hits-back.html


  56. Pure speculation…
    Could the debt dome be converted….not to a supermarket but THE NEW/OLD GOVAN JAIL.
    Would it be big enough to contain all the crooks connected to Debt Dome?


  57. Catching up here and now we know the reason for the rush to promote Sevco to a possible SPL2.
    One thing wrong with the master plan.Like last season,the fans won’t accept it.
    If they’re deid,they’re deid.
    Let them work their way up like everyone else.
    If rules are broken,again,to suit a club who may not be in business this time next week,then why bother with reconstruction.
    Why not just give,sorry,I don’t know what they’ll be called,the title and the CL place.
    That’s what we’re talking about.
    You have rules or you don’t!
    To argue that Sevco must be promoted to the top division,against the rules, for the sake of the game but they must then adhere to the rules is ludicrous.
    By Monday morning,the SPL meeting will be about more than reconstruction.Bet most clubs still go with a plan to support a dead business rather than taking the sensible approach,even though.their own fans have told them this is not acceptable.
    Armaggedon may now be upon us but if the rumours are right,Gilmore has covered his arse.
    St Mirren Park,home of whatever they’re called,with 500m fans and a £100m turnover.
    What happens to the Buddies fans though?.


  58. iceman63 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:29

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    HumblePie hit the nail on the head. The SFA will never impose any rule or regulation which damages Rangers in any way.In fact they will rip up any rule of the game or the land or logic to protect their supposed existence even when they are dead and their next incarnation is revealed as a fraudulent and possibly illegal organisation and even though the finances of the game have been brought to their knees by their persistent misconduct and recklessness.
    Sadly of course the SFA is the incarnation of all of the clubs in Scotland. It’s not just the corrupt individuals at the top who are rotten to the core but all of those in charge of all of the clubs in whose name this monstrosity is perpetrated.
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    iceman, we park our cars in the same garage. As I have been telling my friends over on Twitter who are in a state of elation – regardless of the criminal activity involved here, ALL the authorities involved will deal with this with one eye on the “social unrest” chestnut. Just like the LNS findings they will be sifting through the “car crash” here and looking for the slightest, most tenuous get out…`a la Bryson. Expect the authorities to come down heavily on one of the guilty parties (my money’s on Whyte) and he will probably do a good bit of time. The SFA will wait for this then , whatever the corporate carcass that is left of Sevco, they will casually side step it and give the membership to the new incarnation of “real” Rangers men and it will be 54 and counting. It will be so shameless, it will be embarrassing. The LNS verdict will have nothing on this. Sophistry and obFuscAtion


  59. Galling fiver says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:45

    You had me right up to the “don’t own ” part. Told you@special. Had a few, I’ll try reading again tomorrow.

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    Gf.

    Remember, you are dealing through a broker, who trusts you to pay for shares you buy, and you trust the broker to pay you for those you sell.

    Take an example (ignoring dealing charges and stamp duty).

    1. I buy 1000 shares at £1.00 each. I pay broker £1000. Price goes up to £1.50 during the day. I sell the 1000 shares. The broker pays me £1500. Profit to me £500.

    2. I sell 1000 shares at £1.00 each. Broker pays me £1000. Price goes down to £0.50 during the day. I buy the 1000 shares needed to cover my position. I pay the broker £500. Profit to me £500.

    The broker is making his money from the dealing charge (say £12 per trade, buy or sell), so he has made £24 from me that day.

    This is an over-simplification as your account with the broker doesn’t need to be settled immediately the trade is made. The broker is dealing with a trader who is further along the chain. The trader is making his money from the difference between his sell and buy prices (the bid and offer prices), not shown in above example.


  60. ecobhoy says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 21:46

    Echoboy that’s my understanding, but wanted it confirmed. The Rangers is a wholly owned subsidiary, but I wonder if it might be enough of a fig leaf to cover any embarrassment for the footballing authorities depending how this plays out. spin off?


  61. I take the St.Mirren link with a big pinch of salt.
    This seemed like a ‘logical’ route last year, before a ‘conditional’ licence was dreamed up by the authorities !

    Whatever happens – whether a ‘TRFC v2.0’ is playing out of Ibrox or not – I fully expect a repeat of last year.

    Intimidation, threats, dog whistles etc. to ensure the Govan club’s continued, malevolent presence in Scottish football – and in SFL2 next season. No sanctions – just a need ‘to move on for the good of Scottish football’.

    The authorities will roll over yet again.

    The same incompetents will remain in the same positions of authority at the SFA/SPL/SFL – and with the continued support of the member clubs.

    Yet more fans will become disillusioned and drift away…

    And so the circus will continue… 🙁


  62. So you don’t need to own shares to sell them, but you must honour the amount you sell by buying them.

    And if a certain spiv is doing so, and he does not own the thing he is attempting to hold the price on. Then, he’s selling shares he hasn’t got in something he doesn’t own and still making a profit? And here I am working hard for a living, some of this is effing brilliant mind you. I’ll stick to the goals galore coupon mind you.


  63. Tic 6709 says:
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    There is not a hope in hell of Sevco playing in an SPL2.

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    If your referring to the tweets quoted above by liveinhop my reading of them was that the New Newco would take up Sevco’s place in SFL2 next season and I assume would be ground sharing in Paisley.

    Of course even then that seems to ignore the obvious fact that if RFC Ltd went into liquidation then surely the SFL can’t simply hand their place in SFL2 over to a Newco.

    Doesn’t really make sense and I tbh I don’t think I’m quite buying the MVL rumour at the moment. All seems just a bit too quick but then maybe thats the idea? Implode before anyone can stop the next stage of the sham?


  64. scapaflow14 says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 22:26

    Again, if Rangers FC Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary and is considered “the club” then it can be sold “lock stock and barrel” to a new owner and continue.

    Same club, different owners, divested of embarrassing PLC and it’s Officers.

    The bluer knights take over and everything is as was intended. Club, debt free, owned by rangers men.


  65. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 22:28

    Indeed, excellent question.

    Why was Charles Green introduced to Ticketus.


  66. chipm0nk says:
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    Friday, April 12, 2013 at 22:26

    Again, if Rangers FC Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary and is considered “the club” then it can be sold “lock stock and barrel” to a new owner and continue.

    Same club, different owners, divested of embarrassing PLC and it’s Officers.

    The bluer knights take over and everything is as was intended. Club, debt free, owned by rangers men.

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    Except presumably they’d have no stadium or training ground and no cash to feed the £1m a month black hole?

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