The following post comes about as a result of the research and work put in by Auldheid.
He has drafted the submission to FIFA detailed below after closely looking at their rules, and taking on board the points contained in the Glasnost “Golden Rule” blog. TSFM has attached the blog’s name to the report since the overwhelming – but not unanimous – view of our readership is that the SFA and the SPL have again gotten themselves into an almighty and embarrassingly amateur fankle over this issue.
We believe that tens of thousands of football fans will be lost to the game if the outcome of the LNS enquiry is not perceived to be commensurate with the scope and extent of the rule breaking that LNS found had taken place. In view of this, we believe that we have to do what we can to explore all possibilities for justice for those who love the game so much and yet are utterly disillusioned by recent events.
LNS is not being questioned here. He has found that RFC were guilty as charged by the SPL.
What is being questioned is the SFA’s crucial – and seemingly conflicted – role in the LNS enquiry, as is the effectiveness of LNS’s recommended sanction as either a deterrent or an upholder of sporting integrity.
It came to our notice last week that FIFA have created a web site at
https://www.bkms-system.net/bkwebanon/report/clientInfo?cin=6fifa61&language=eng
that tells us that FIFA have implemented a regulatory framework which is intended to ensure that all statutory rules, rules of conduct and internal guidelines of FIFA are respected and complied with.
In support of that regulatory framework FIFA have set up the above site as a reporting mechanism by means of which inappropriate behaviour and infringements of the pertinent regulations may be reported.
FIFA say that their jurisdiction encompasses misconduct that (1) relates to match manipulation; (2) occurs in or affects more than one confederation, so that it cannot adequately be addressed by a single confederation; or (3) would ordinarily be addressed by a confederation or association, but, under the particular facts at issue, has not been or is unlikely to be dealt with appropriately at that level.
Discussions arising from the previous blog on TSFM, “Gilt Edged Justice”, which was published after Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) ruled on the registration of Rangers players who had contractual side letters that were not disclosed to the SFA as part of their registration, suggest that there may be possible unfortunate consequences for football arising from the evidence presented by the SFA to the LNS enquiry that informed its findings on registration and consequent eligibility. There is also a question of the propriety of the SFA providing evidence on an issue which could have had a negative impact on them had it been found that they had failed to carrying out their registration duties with due rigour over a period of ten years when the existence of EBTs was known to officials within the SFA.
On the basis that the LNS findings require that registration rules be clarified by FIFA and rewritten globally if necessary to remove any ambiguity and under clause 3 above, this appears to be an issue that the FIFA should examine and that the SFA cannot address.
The following report has therefore been submitted by TSFM on behalf of its readers to FIFA drawing on the content and debate following the “Gilt Edged Justice” blog in respect of the possible footballing consequences of the LNS enquiry.
The hope is that by speaking for so many supporters, FIFA will give the TSFM submission some weight, but individuals are free of course to make their own points in their own way. We await acknowledgement of the submission.
The report Submitted to FIFA is as follows;
This report was prepared on behalf of the 10,000-strong readership of The Scottish Football Monitor at http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/
It is our belief that FIFA general rules of conduct were breached by the SFA and their employees in both creating and then advising The Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) enquiry into the non disclosure of full payment information to the Scottish Football Association (SFA) by Rangers F.C during a period of player registration over 10 years from 2000.We believe that although the issue has been addressed by the SFA the particular facts at issue suggest that it has not been dealt with appropriately and we therefore ask FIFA to investigate. The facts at issue are that the process and advice given failed to uphold sporting integrity, and that a conflict of interest was at play.
We believe the advice provided and the enquiry set up, where SFA both advised and is the appellant body, breaches not only the integrity the registration rules were intended to uphold, but also totally undermines the integrity of the SFA in breach of General Conduct rules 1, 2 and 4. (See below.)
1. Firstly we believe that the advice supplied to LNS that an incorrectly registered player was eligible to play as long as the registration was accepted by the SFA however unwittingly, undermines the intent of the SPL/SFA rules on player registration and so undermines the integrity of football in three ways.
• It incentivises clubs to apply for a player to be registered even if they know that the conditions of registration are not satisfied, in the hope that the application will somehow ‘slip through the net’ and be granted anyway (in which case it will be valid until revoked).
• A club which discovers that it has made an error in its application is incentivized to say nothing and to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ – because it would be in a better position by not confessing its mistake.
• And most importantly, it incentivises fraud. By deliberately concealing relevant information, a club can ensure that a player who does not satisfy the registration conditions is treated as being eligible – and therefore allowed to play – for as long as a period as possible (potentially his entire spell with the club). Then, if the club is no longer around when the deception is finally discovered, imposing meaningful sanctions may be impossible.
2. Secondly we believe the process followed was inappropriate due to a Conflict of Interest. Had the LNS enquiry not ruled on the basis of advice supplied by The SFA, they and those persons advising the LNS enquiry, could have been subjected to censure and the SFA to potential compensation claims had LNS found that the players were indeed ineligible to play and results then been annulled as was SFA practice when an ineligible player played.
3. Finally we contend that a law should not be applied according to its literal meaning if to do so would lead to an absurdity or a manifest injustice or in this case loss of football integrity.
See http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/gilt-edged-justice/4. We therefore ask FIFA to investigate both the process used and advice given to Lord Nimmo Smith to satisfy themselves that FIFA’s intentions with regard to upholding the integrity of football under FIFA rules have not been seriously damaged by the LNS findings and also to reassure Scottish football supporters that the integrity of our game has not been sacrificed by the very authority in whose care it has been placed to promote the short term cause of commercialism to the games long term detriment.
General Rules of Conduct (These are taken from the FIFA web site itself and can be found as part of completing the submission process)
1. Persons bound by this Code are expected to be aware of the importance of their duties and concomitant obligations and responsibilities.
2. Persons bound by this Code are obliged to respect all applicable laws and regulations as well as FIFA’s regulatory framework to the extent applicable to them.
3. N/A
4. Persons bound by this Code may not abuse their position in any way, especially to take advantage of their position for private aims or gains.
More on the Calderwood issue. Take Dunfermilne job for a wee while then come to Rangers. Cheers David.
http://t.co/Tm4IlDo6J7
The MSM would be camped in Calderwoods garden today , and a FIFA investigation underway had roles been reversed back in 2003. There must be some amount of broon envelopes still flying about.
Lord Wobbly says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 08:15
Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 07:01
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Charles Green recently made big noises about buying back the
Arsenal shares that Graig Whyte sold. We know that this was
bluster and aimed at keeping TRFC fans onside. Can the sale of the Slim Jim Baxter memorabilia at this time be seen as a bit of an own goal by Charles or is the desperation for cash worse than we thought?
Thanks to The Craiter on KDS for the link.
http://www.mctears.co.uk/auctions/lot.aspx?id=75c157ef-8764-4289-87ca-6a4d96bb3ae0&page=1&referrer=browse
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Do you know for sure that Charles is selling this? Just because it used to be on display at Ibrox doesn’t necessarily mean that Rangers owned it.
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Sounds as though some family member had loaned it out to Rangers to display and now needs the cash. But might be Rangers organising a PR coup because if it goes to auction and the club buys it then it will go down well with the fans who will believe that Green is not only interested in the history but is prepared to spend money to secure it for the club. You have to remember that ST time isn’t that far away.
zoyler says:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 20:01
Don’t know the story of what went on today between the Green Brigade and the polis but wonder who paid the . As the club is normally responsible for policing in the environs of their own ground and this happened some distance away who pays for this jolly for the boys in dark blue?
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It’s was clear from a number of Celtic sites last week that a march was being organised from the Gallowgate to Parkhead on Saturday in support of those banned from the stadium either by Celtic or the Courts and for the general activities of the police aimed at, in particular, the Green Brigade.
I do believe that there are some issues that need to be sorted between StrathPol and particularly some sections of the Rangers and Celtic supports who quite unusually seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue.
However it was quite clear that a conscious decision was being taken with regard to yesterday’s march that it was going ahead and the police would be powerless to stop it because of the numbers who would be taking part and the fact that it would be happening in the public arena.
The whole tone was one of confrontation and that force would prevail and although I don’t know this for a fact I formed the impression that the necessary permission wasn’t being sought.
From a long history of being involved in official and unofficial marches and demonstrations my personal view is that the marchers/demonstrators were very ill-advised. They had issued a challenge to StrathPol that they would control the streets and the police would be powerless and would actually be unable to stop them. There is also the ordinary members of the public to consider and their convenience.
There was no way StrathPol were going to ignore this – they had to act and I have no doubt that some organisers behind the whole thing would be hoping for some split heads to get the blood and the passions flowing and I hope there was minimal physical contact for everyone’s sake.
As to costs obviously the taxpayers picks up the tab but I doubt if the organisers or the participants gave that aspect much thought. The police cannot allow no-go areas in Glasgow or the prospect of thousands taking part in an unlicensed march along a route where tens of thousands were heading for a football match. It doesn’t take much imagination to see this could have turned into a disaster and Celtic’s good name would have been dragged in the mud by an ever-eager MSM.
I have watched some of the clips on the net and must admit I was surprised to hear the sound of the police helicopter and the police horses in attendance as well which shows that StrathPol obviously expected the possibility of large numbers taking part which thankfully didn’t appear to have materialised.
Later yesterday I saw various reports that English casuals from various teams were meeting in Glasgow for an organised ruck today and this may have been another factor in police thinking that the best thing to do was nip the demo in the bud. As I mentioned earlier there are some issues that need dealt with re the police and some sections of football support but breaking the law is usually not the best way to achieve this IMO.
beatipacificiscotia says:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 18:51
I have put together a little piece which I intend to distribute to news desks and sports desks throughout Europe. If anyone can suggest a good source of contact details that would be much appreciated. It is a massive task. Please feel free to take what I have, play around with it if if needs it, and do your own distributing. All help welcome.
I will be sending this out with a copy of the commission report. This is the biggest untold story in world football. It needs to be told. Only pressure from outside Scotland will make a difference. Succulent Lamb is alive and well in Scotland.
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I think the piece you have put together is great but I find it hard to believe it will see the light of day which would be disappointing because it is a massive effort and deserves an airing.
IMO It is too long and too complex and would suffer badly from being run through on-line translators which could easily turn bits into a joke in a local language. Something like this needs skilled translation I’m afraid.
The idea is great but all the detailed rule book stuff although important as a reference document is next to useless in news terms especially for a foreign readership. You really have a maximum of a few shortish pars to attract attention and if you actually achieve that then you might hold that attention for another 10-12 pars shortish pars. The beauty about keeping it short and simple is that there will definitely be someone on the foreign publication with good enough English to get the thrust of the story and explain it to colleagues.
One trick is actually to have multiple ‘versions’ with something right up at the top involving a local team or football issue linked to Rangers. That hopefully would provide a ‘hook’ to catch interest. Trust me the story, no matter how good, will never be used unless it catches someone’s eye.
If the MSM here and in England are basically incapable or unwilling of showing an interest in the shambles which Scottish football is becoming administratively then think how much harder it will be with a foreign language publication. Always remember that even if you interest a foreign media outlet they are highly likely to pick-up the phone or email an contact over here to ask if there is anything in the ‘story’ and I don’t need to comment on what the response is likely to be.
Personally I think more effort should be put into ‘winning’ something like Fifa saying they will look-at the Auldheid/TSFM approach – that would give a great ‘nose’ to the story especially if it came in the silly season when football news was scarce.
Getting things published is helluva hard work and the blunderbluss approach isn’t very productive and a host of selective sniper shots aimed at specific targets is a better way to go. As part of that it would be helpful to identify foreign journos who have written about Rangers/Celtic or any Scottish team in the past and contact them as they will have some knowledge and perhaps an interest.
Hi all, North and South, and from all persuasions, Happy St Patricks Day..
smartbhoy says:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 22:55
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Just a point……
Nearly daily we have posters on here criticising Radio Clyde and specifically SSB.
I have one question……..?? Why tune in?
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Well, some decent callers do get through. Check the first caller on the podcast of yesterday’s show. Fire and brimstone on the presenters:)
Now the first caller on Sportsound Extra was an SSB regular, says he’s a Celtic fan, but the crux of his every call is: ‘Ah miss Rangers’. I’m not entirely convinced he’s a supporter of the grand old team.
Rather than boycott it, why not phone in? It is a platform for fans’ voices, albeit staffed by panelists who believe only two teams in Scotland really matter and one of them underachieves:D
Why not a concerted call campaign? Otherwise they’ll get away with their guff about the “StrathPolice figures only prove we need Rangers in the SPL!” It’s actually becoming comedy central …
I tuned into SSB just after the Celtic game, a cracker where Aberdeen recovered well from an early set back and contributed to an exciting game of football. I was wondering what SSB would say about the game. I’d have been forgiven for thinking I had tuned into a Multi Media Political Broadcast on behalf of “Lets get The Rangers back early” party.
During the programme a Rangers supporter comes out with Rangers are innocent of any wrongdoing. No correction by Clyde.
Now I imagine they maybe thought saying that the FTT decision was under appeal was too complicated to explain or that the LNS findings said they were guilty of breaking the registration rules but that was only an administrative error, but what about the £14 MILLION of tax payers money that they paid to players to keep going rather than to the tax man? That was theft. If a bank was robbed of £14 MILLION it would be national headlines but that particular item is conveniently hidden amongst the fog of the media war.
The thing is the more the media sing their song the greater the resistance to what they want happening
The other thing is that their stated reason for an early return is a lie. Rangers will take at least four years to reach a level of putting other SPL clubs in their place (if they last that long). So they will be no more a competitive challenge to Celtic than any other club. Indeed they could reduce the points tally of other clubs with draws that might have been wins for them and make the competition even less.
The msm helped create this mess and they seem hell bent on recreating it. For whose benefit? No one, including The Rangers whose old corpse they fed off, but their own.
Thankfully both a Celtic and The Rangers supporter told Clyde where to shove it, even though for different reasons. I expect a change of tone from Clyde as more supporters do the same.
willmacufree says:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 at 23:58
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Angus 1983 @ 17.02 complains about TDs. And often it’s incomprehensible. I see TTaswell got TDs for a very simple logical answer to your perfectly legitimate question.
I think sometimes people TD if they do not like the perceived tone of the post, regardless of the message.
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TU/TDs are a very blunt instrument with which to respond to, often sharp, posts on TSFM.
If a post is addressing several points it is impossible to know precisely which particular comment has elicited the button click. TU/TDers should post a brief note of explanation.
Interesting conversation last night in a Glasgow hostelry ,the barman brought up on his app that kettling is legal after a challenge in the euro courts a while back ,but another point that he made was that due to the changes in the way Scotland will be policed the local forces need to justify their staffing levels before budgets are set,hence we seem to be seeing more of a visible prescence on our streets,if yesterday’s overtime bill for say ,a 4 hour shift [time on top payment] would be £16k bottom line ,just as well Glasgow is a peacefull city as there could not have been many police in other areas of Glasgow if 200 where crammed into a car park in the Gallowgate,but hey what price is safety.
We had the following message banner at Celtic park yesterday. I am sure all the good people of the TSFM will like the legend!
Great game of football yesterday and a fantastic advert for the Scottish game. Our fans always have a cracking day here and we had our friends from Dynamo Berlin over for the match as well.
Gutted that we capitulated at the end but we have built the foundations of a good side here and the young ones will have learned a valueable lesson.
Apologies, i can’t find the image anywhere else.
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=4&fid=27&sty=2&act=1&mid=2113054930
Anyone know the rules surrounding the use of Trialists in the SFL
i think it’s going to be coming up in August, so we may as well brace ourselves for it
I was at Celtic Park yesterday. It is utterly absurd that anyone is questioning 4 minutes added time. Aberdeen continually wasted time, there were injuries, and the Referee has it at his discretion to add time if he believes substitutions are taking excessively long.
ecobhoy says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 10:09
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Lord Wobbly says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 08:15
Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 07:01
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Charles Green recently made big noises about buying back the
Arsenal shares that Graig Whyte sold. We know that this was
bluster and aimed at keeping TRFC fans onside. Can the sale of the Slim Jim Baxter memorabilia at this time be seen as a bit of an own goal by Charles or is the desperation for cash worse than we thought?
Thanks to The Craiter on KDS for the link.
http://www.mctears.co.uk/auctions/lot.aspx?id=75c157ef-8764-4289-87ca-6a4d96bb3ae0&page=1&referrer=browse
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Do you know for sure that Charles is selling this? Just because it used to be on display at Ibrox doesn’t necessarily mean that Rangers owned it.
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Sounds as though some family member had loaned it out to Rangers to display and now needs the cash. But might be Rangers organising a PR coup because if it goes to auction and the club buys it then it will go down well with the fans who will believe that Green is not only interested in the history but is prepared to spend money to secure it for the club. You have to remember that ST time isn’t that far away.
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If it is not TRFC selling these Items, and I appologise if I have been a bit previous in my assumption that it is,then would’nt the sensible thing be for TRFC make an offer on this memoribilia to avoid going to auction. If it has been in place at Ibrox since 2005 would it not make sense to buy it for the Club? Would the fans not be upset at losing a piece of old club history which in my opinion would be more of an emotional meaning to the Club than some shares in another Club. Just my opinion.
Celtic Underground @celticrumours
Off the Ball, 16/03/2013 – http://bbc.in/13VhTUD go to 56:25 to hear Calderwood say Murray “installed” him at Dunfermline.
Lord Wobbly at 08.05. You would have to see the incident yourself to make a conclusion, but in my opinion it was genuine, there was no hint of sarcasm visible.
Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 13:42
ecobhoy says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 10:09
Sounds as though some family member had loaned it out to Rangers to display and now needs the cash. But might be Rangers organising a PR coup because if it goes to auction and the club buys it then it will go down well with the fans who will believe that Green is not only interested in the history but is prepared to spend money to secure it for the club. You have to remember that ST time isn’t that far away.
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If it is not TRFC selling these Items, and I appologise if I have been a bit previous in my assumption that it is,then would’nt the sensible thing be for TRFC make an offer on this memoribilia to avoid going to auction. If it has been in place at Ibrox since 2005 would it not make sense to buy it for the Club? Would the fans not be upset at losing a piece of old club history which in my opinion would be more of an emotional meaning to the Club than some shares in another Club. Just my opinion.
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TRFC may have made an offer prior to the auction being arranged and/or the seller might have preferred to wait and see if they got a better price at auction. And as I mentioned previously if it is being done as a PR stunt then a successful and smiling Charlie at the auction will get a reasonable amount of publicity compared to just buying it because he is showing the Bears that he will protect the history.
I don’t know if you know the background to the Arsenal shares but they actually were an important bit of the Rangers history and probably much more important than one of Slim Jim’s caps but as a Celtic supporter I could be wrong on that.
Danish Pastry says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 11:35
“Now the first caller on Sportsound Extra was an SSB regular, says he’s a Celtic fan, but the crux of his every call is: ‘Ah miss Rangers’. I’m not entirely convinced he’s a supporter of the grand old team.”
Heard the same guy 3/4 weeks ago on Sportsound Extra saying same thing.
He gives the impression of being a concerned CFC supporter pointing out some deficiencies in team/manager.
Then moans about CFC needing the Govan Club.
He’s a plant. Who’s?
In reference to Radio Clyde , they are merely pandering to their target audience as are the MSM in general. Clyde undoubtedly use ‘plants’ to call in and promote their own agenda ….. return to OF life, they will just blunder on , it is like going down to the pub and having your ears assaulted by the local moron.
No matter what happens on Clyde, the Rangers (losing £1m per month) will not want to be in the SPL next year getting duffed up by the likes of Hibs, Inverness, Aberdeen and the Arabs. Their loyal support would walk away in those circumstances, so in my view their DNA will guide them to a slow meander through the leagues , hoping that something turns up ( akin to the current Govt economic strategy).
In the medium to longer term , the lifeblood is being drained out of Scottish football by a failure from the SFA to provide vision and mgt of the game to boost the standards, being next door to the bloated EPL is a double whammy. In 10 years the SPL will be an under-21 league with the exception of Celtic; the Rangers will take at least 10 years to get back to a level of performance that could be considered adequate; the SFA will continue to act to protect the Rangers; mis-management will be the watchword.
The current media assault on the product and the harsh economic times will result in several clubs going into admin / liquidation (every pound is a prisoner) , we are undoubtedly in a downward spiral.
Anyone else think that the phone call made by SDM to Mr Calderwood, wouldn’t have been the only one he made in the interests of Scottish Football.
Auldheid (@Auldheid) says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 11:36
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… Thankfully both a Celtic and The Rangers supporter told Clyde where to shove it, even though for different reasons. I expect a change of tone from Clyde as more supporters do the same.
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Indeed, I thought they were quite stunning calls in each their own way. Now we just need some more people to expose the nonsense they are talking. The pessimism for the panelists was absurd. Right now I’m watching a great match from Hampden with a terrific atmosphere and bumper crowd. Is this Scottish football dying? Even SSB can’t talk this down 🙂
St Mirren v Hearts. Fantastic game. Great advert for Scottish football. Well done the Buddies.
Superb stuff from St. Mirren today. Hugely entertaining game.
Last 4 main trophies in Scotland won by Kilmarnock, Celtic, Hearts and St Mirren.
But the only important thing is to have a strong Rangers, isn’t it???
Only saw the second half but marvellous stuff.
Hard luck Hearts and very very well done St Mirren. Thoroughly deserved
Could I just ask that all those who see only a short, bleak future for the game in this country please find something else to do and leave the rest of us to get on with supporting and enjoying it.
As a Buddie I’m lovin this Armageddon.
Cannae type for tears, mind ye….
fishnish says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 17:19
As a Buddie I’m lovin this Armageddon.
Cannae type for tears, mind ye….
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What a great game with two teams giving it their all – real advert for Scottish Football at its best.
fishnish says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 17:19
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As a Buddie I’m lovin this Armageddon.
Cannae type for tears, mind ye….
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Bad luck Hearts but so happy for your club fishnish … aye bring on more Armageddon fitba 😀
In a dramatic twist in the aftermath of the final, it’s just been discovered that all players in this seasons League Cup were in fact ineligible. Only Rangers appear to have correctly registered their players stated a Mr Bryson. Due to this blunder, St.Mirren will be stripped of the trophy and see it given to the new Ibrox club as their first trophy success.
Fines will be issued to 41 clubs with proceeds going directly to Green’s business as way of an apology. Rangers will now be nominated to play in Europe with Mr Bryson already examining ways to include them despite UEFA rules.
First game I have bothered watching since the LNS shocker and great it was. Well done the St Mirren and Hearts both did Scotland proud! An Irish Captain lifting the trophy on St Patrick’s Day it was written in the stars.
Congratulations to St Mirren on a wonderful cup win and condolences to hearts, both sides made it a fantastic game. I listened to to Keevins, Guidi and Dalziel yesterday, on the way to and home from the match at Celtic Park. This was nothing but Armageddon revisited. Not only is the proposal of fast tracking TRFC preposterous, but their timing was abysmal, making such an argument on a weekend when we have all been treated to some fantastic, entertaining, competitive and ultimately unpredictable games.
In many years of following the game I consider this to be one of the most blatant examples of formulating an argument in the absence of applying even a minimal degree of intellectual rigour. To state boldly that Scottish football would die within two years if the fast tracking of a team in the 3rd Division is not implemented is beyond reason, particularly when the only evidence they could offer was the view of Alec smith now billed as a sage of Scottish football and the attendance figures at Celtic Park and Ibrox.
However a number of simple questions should expose the stupidity of this view very easily
1. is it not true that falling attendances at Ibrox and Celtic park, rather than weaken the game will actually strengthen it by closing the financial gap?
2. Which team should be compelled to give up their place in the top league to accommodate this proposal ?
3. Surely they agree the winners of the 1st Division should be promoted and receive the rightful reward for their efforts ? (Even TRFC agree if you win a league you should be promoted)
4. Can they please define sporting integrity, so that people are at least aware of what they are being asked to abandon ?
5. Are sales of their newspapers falling and this is seen as the best way of ensuring a large number of their potential demographic continue to purchase their publications?
The argument they propose, turns logic upside down, it cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny. Whomsoever gets the opportunity should expose their idiocy. Ongoing ridicule of this nonsense is not only appropriate but probably necessary to undermine what is part of a wider concerted campaign to privilege one club, to make it again first among (un)equals
Re the phone-in ‘plants’…
Astroturf callers.
…Fake grassroots.
Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 16:55
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Superb stuff from St. Mirren today. Hugely entertaining game
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In 2011
Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said the game had been a “great advert for Scottish football”.
He added: “This was the showpiece final everyone wanted to see, and it was a great advert for Scottish football.
Now if Kenny said that today we would all agree.
Well doe to both teams excellent game. You cannot beat armageddon.
In fact I armageddon pleasure from Scottish football without the fabric of society fc.
Kilgore Trout says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 17:11
Only saw the second half but marvellous stuff.
Hard luck Hearts and very very well done St Mirren. Thoroughly deserved
Could I just ask that all those who see only a short, bleak future for the game in this country please find something else to do and leave the rest of us to get on with supporting and enjoying it.
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I thought the final was excellent, and Hearts could have been out of sight at one point before St Mirren got themselves into it. Overall it was superb stuff amid a great atmosphere.
It is tiresome that there are a large number of pundits whose starting point is nothing at all can be good about Scottish football while there is no Rangers in the top league. If you take away the rule of sporting achievement on the field being the only route to progression you might as well stop football. Rangers are where they are for a very good reason, and they will eventually work their way up. Let us hope when they do arrive in the top league they play fair financially, however their twisted logic that everyone needs to be taught a lesson won’t come cheaply. How is a return to the domination of the Murray years going to be financed?
Radio Scotland interview after the match, Danny Lennon says to Chick Young
“I’m just happy for you Chick that one of your teams has won a major trophy”
Only saw the second half but marvellous stuff.
Hard luck Hearts and very very well done St Mirren. Thoroughly deserved
Could I just ask that all those who see only a short, bleak future for the game in this country please find something else to do and leave the rest of us to get on with supporting and enjoying it.
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This is the crux really. I was in the walking away from the game camp after the non-punishment of old Rangers after LNS. But today’s game has given me a lot to think about. Surely we should still get out and support our game, and just stay away whenever our club has the misfortune to meet The Rangers? Drops in attendance are already being latched on to by our friends in the MSM as proof of how much old club/new club are missed. The fact the drops are modest everywhere except Parkhead are neither here nor there to these idiots. I think I will go back but continue to stay away from Scotland games and, as said, any match involving Sevco.
I have to say, the most important game for me now is the Dundee Utd-Celtic semi. A win for United would be another shot in the arm for the game no matter how many of our regulars would be upset!
Hi All
Some great reading again today,the football at our national home restored the scottish game to a level way above what our leaders want us to believe ,it is a real shame that as part of the 5 way agreement the 1st division was not included in this as there has been some sublime games in this division ,poor crowds but that will change when Sevco bring their circus to town,maybe we have been looking at this from the wrong angle and the TRFC could actually be the saviour of Scottish football,every cloud etc,ok the arguments are still there and will be ,but the truth will out in the future and the incumbants involved have very short noses, if any,but if we are to look at what German football went through over the last 10 years the wheel is already there,why copy a buckled wheel,[Austrian] when what the Germans done in a short period of time scottish football,s janitors are still looking fot leadership,the only positive here is Gordan Strachan and maybe ,just maybe ,Mr Regan has the Ally ,sorry backing he needs,it looks like good times ahead,well done St Mirren & Hearts,next Friday well ,lets hear the msm interview, wee Strachan. ,he is owed a few and no doubt will collect .
I find it sad, regardless of the rather strange Calderwood development, that some fans still bring up the final day in 2002/03, insinuating some dodgy practices. Once again I would remind them that Rangers won by five goals at home that day while Celtic won by four goals, and missed a penalty, away from home. Why do we never hear about Killie lying down? And some other title clinching scorelines from the last few years include Killie 1 Rangers 5 and Killie 0 Celtic 6. Then there was the famous St Mirren 0 Celtic 5, some Hearts fans still moaning about that one. As I said before, when the OF have the scent of a title in their nostrils they can run up scores like that, especially when they have most of the ground to themselves as the home fans generally would rather be anywhere else when the gruesome twosome turn up to party!
Rangers beat calderwoods Dunfermline 4 times in league 2002-03, 6-1, 3-0, 3-1 and infamously 6-1 again
Dunfermline conceded 18 goals against rangers in 02-03, that represents about 25% of the total 71 league goals total
newshedenvy says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 12:01
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Angus 1983 @ 17.02 complains about TDs. And often it’s incomprehensible. I see TTaswell got TDs for a very simple logical answer to your perfectly legitimate question.
I think sometimes people TD if they do not like the perceived tone of the post, regardless of the message.
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If a post is addressing several points it is impossible to know precisely which particular comment has elicited the button click. TU/TDers should post a brief note of explanation.
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Quelle surprise.
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Yes Bob the classic St Mirren 86 game , just think how much worse it would be for those Hearts fans if they found out that Kevin Kelly had given the St Mirren job to Alec Smith.
Bobferris 70
Yes Bob the classic St Mirren 86 game , just think how much worse it would be for those Hearts fans if they found out that Kevin Kelly had given the St Mirren job to Alec Smith.
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Seems to me Celtic are the only team that thrashes other legitimately. Dunfermline 1 Celtic 8, Celtic 9 Aberdeen 0, Aberdeen 0 Celtic 6, Last season you beat Hibs, Hearts and St Mirren 5-0. Was Calderwood manager in the 1-8 game? I genuinely don’t know.
bobferris70 says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 22:08
Seems to me Celtic are the only team that thrashes other legitimately. Dunfermline 1 Celtic 8, Celtic 9 Aberdeen 0, Aberdeen 0 Celtic 6, Last season you beat Hibs, Hearts and St Mirren 5-0. Was Calderwood manager in the 1-8 game? I genuinely don’t know.
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It is the nature of the beast to believe teams try harder / don’t try, for whatever reason, against their team. I remember even Richard Gough claiming Aberdeen tried harder against his side at a time when they had a better record against Celtic than Rangers!
For the record the Dunfermline Manager at the 8-1 loss to Celtic was Jim Leishman.
well done the Buddies and Hearts ….great sport and very watchable but is it going to get anyone out of their armchair to spend £30 quid in the week we saw Barcelona and Spurs on our TV for nothing . I think not This essentially is Scottish Football’s problem
Congratulations St. Mirren!
Great to see the silverware being shared around the SPL – and can only have positive effects on the game.
And when TRFC secure the SFL3 title will they have ‘a world record celebration’?
…to try and stay relevant – and to try to ‘rub our noses in it’ even though we might be laughing: full-timers against part-time footballers (but who are probably also full-time posties, plumbers, etc.)
And with McCoist supposedly on i.r.o. 750K to a million a year, it does beg the question: what will his league winning bonus be?
If it is in line with his SFL3 peers – I would guess maybe 5,000 pounds tops? (Too high?)
Or would McCoist be too embarrassed to accept a bonus – due to his team’s significantly unfair sporting advantage over all other SFL3 teams throughout the course of the season?
Well done the Jolly Old Saints. Smashing game to watch and the third goal was immense for a young lad.
Also well done to James Calderwood – Good grassin’ geez. Cosgrove was on to it like you might expect a journalist would.
All these big scores and no mention of dodgy decisions ,hmm,where all the supposedly bad refs given the day off for these matches.cant have it both ways.
bobferris70 @ 19:02
I think this almost-regular will get over it pretty quickly, and probably won’t be too surprised either.
5 different winners in 5 consecutive competitions. Not many would have predicted that.
A world record perhaps!
By the way, you can turn the radio on again. Game abandoned. Waterlogged pitch.
Press release:-
Scotland football team falls to 66th place in FIFA’s world rankings.
From FIFA’s list of 207 National Associations, Scotland have risen to No. 1 on the Corrupt Association list.
SFA CEO Stewart Regan, when asked how long he thought the SFA might hold on to the top slot,
said in reply, that Rangers will always be an integral part of Scottish football and therefore the SFA should have no difficulty holding on to its No 1 ranking in FIFA’s most corrupt Association list.
Well done to St. Mirren…a great game…
Now when can St. Mirren expect home gates to match the numbers that turned out at Hampden to support them?..
manandboy says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 07:48
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A spokesman for the North Korean Football Association was said to be furious to lose top spot…but added we found it difficult to compete with that level of corruption…they have invited the SFA to North Korea as part of an exchange program..
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manandboy says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 07:48
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A spokesman for the North Korean Football Association was said to be furious to lose top spot…but added we found it difficult to compete with that level of corruption…they have invited the SFA to North Korea as part of an exchange program..
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In reply, the SFA Chairman,Campbell Ogilvie is reported to have said that while the SFA have always been admirers of the North Korean style of management, the Board unanimously agreed that the SFA would gain very little, if anything, from such an exchange and therefore have declined the invitation.
Wavetower ……remember them
They were the owners of the old Rangers. They changed their name to The Rangers FC Group Ltd. Registration number 07380537, and incorporated on 17/09/2010.
Accounting reference date is 30/09
Directors Craig Whyte and Andrew Ellis. Issued capital £1 , with the ultimate owner being Liberty Capital.
So why mention them now. Well, this company has never issued accounts. It hasn’t lodged an annual return since November 2011. It must have engaged in some form of trading as it had a CCJ against it in July 2012
What’s particularly interesting is that companies house moved to strike the company off on 17th July 2012. Unusually for a Whyte company it reacted instantly and the striking off notice was removed on 4th August 2012. Anyone who has followed Whyte’s actions would know that the only conclusion was that there was value in the company, possibly significant as the response was instant.
What’s also interesting is that nothing at all has happened since. No accounts , no annual return, and no further action by Companies House
The question is why Companies House have decided to take no action against a company owned by a notorious abuser of its own regulations. Equally interesting is why Whyte has kept this company going ?
There has long been suspicion that Green has had to settle with Whyte as part of the asset deal. This company is likely to have been part of any settling. I wonder, and this is just me thinking aloud, whether BDO have any power to oppose a winding up of this business.
“Now when can St. Mirren expect home gates to match the numbers that turned out at Hampden to support them?..”
Sorry but this type of comment really annoys me – especially from a fan of a team that has drawn fans from around the Country that would otherwise have supported other more local teams. Over 2 decades of 2 teams winning the top Division leaves few new fans follow the rest. You will find most of Paisley was at the game as it was pretty much a one off. I wonder where the 250,000 (ahem) that went to Seville are every week to watch the team that’s top of the league thats got 20-30,000 seats empty most weeks?
Seriously some people should think before they comment. Both Celtic and Rangers fans appears to think they are better than the rest of us – if either of those teams went 20 years without a trophy you would probably find your attendances would be not much different than the rest of us – everyone would support the team that’s winning or some EPL side instead.
There are no “special fans” just football fans. There pretty much the same for every team. The problem we have in this country is the people at the top and the people in the media seem to value some fans and clubs above others – that’s utterly wrong.
Charlie Adam said on TV after what was a brilliant match with a cracking atmosphere that the final everyone really wants is a Celtic Rangers one. That sums up why Scottish football will never recover. We need lots of strong teams but that’s not what those at the top or in the media want.
On another accounts note. Murray International are due to lodge accounts by the end of this month , or be in breach of companies house regulations.
Given where we are now, you can expect a positive press release sometime in the next 10 days, which will bear absolutely no relation to the real position shown in the accounts.
The aim is to get the PR Spin reported by the business media, who will then be reluctant to make themselves look incompetent by having to reverse field a few days later.
There were signs last year , that some in the business media were getting a bit sick of being taken for mugs by Murray. It will be interesting to see how it’s reported this year
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Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 21:29
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Rangers beat calderwoods Dunfermline 4 times in league 2002-03, 6-1, 3-0, 3-1 and infamously 6-1 again
Dunfermline conceded 18 goals against rangers in 02-03, that represents about 25% of the total 71 league goals total
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Dunfermline, and most Scottish based players outside celtic and rangers dont get great wages and a big slice of their pay is based on win bonuses.
People are suggesting that an entire squad of players secretly decided to lie down to Rangers and lose out on much needed mortgage money and not one player spoke out about it, or is the suggestion is that Calderwood set the team up with a change of tactics to allow them to ship goals, again surely over the years at least one player would have made comment about it.
Several celtic” supporters” played for dunfermline that day along with guys who supported other scottish teams and someone after all these years would have had something to say.
The fact is both kilie and dunfermline capitulated that day and rangers ( maybe with some friendly refereeing) took more advantage of it than celtic.
Forest Hills (@ForestHills1903) says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:02
Charlie Adam said on TV after what was a brilliant match with a cracking atmosphere that the final everyone really wants is a Celtic Rangers one. That sums up why Scottish football will never recover. We need lots of strong teams but that’s not what those at the top or in the media want.
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This kind of lazy assumption is draining the life out of football elsewhere too. Look at ITV’s coverage of the English FA cup – in the last couple of seasons where there have been many tremendous ‘giant-killing’ results, their default setting is to show a game featuring Man U (usually v Fulham or some other premier division team). In consequence, they serve up what equates to a watered-down premier league match, and turn a blind eye to the teams who consider the cup the be a matter of footballing glory, and the cup loses even more of its fading charm.
georgiovasari says:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 at 12:52
… we had our friends from Dynamo Berlin …
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Aye, well, not sure whether we actually need friends like that.
Meantime, did anyone notice the front page piece in SoS yesterday regarding the marked drop in domestic violence correlated with the lack of OF games this year?
The police, apparently, are delighted at not having to deal with regular OF fallout, and are treating it as a “holiday”.
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THE absence of Old Firm matches this year has led to a marked decline in the number of domestic violence incidents, Scotland’s most senior police officer has said.
Steve House, who takes over as Chief Constable of Police Scotland in two weeks time, said there was now effectively a “holiday” period for police with the regular Celtic vs Rangers games on hold.
In previous seasons, police found that domestic violence incidents rocketed in the wake of the four-times a year game between Scottish football’s most bitter rivals. But, with Rangers having been demoted to the Scottish Third Division this year, House said the effect on crime was already noticeable across the country.
Asked whether there had been an impact on levels of domestic violence since the Old Firm clashes ended, he said: “We aren’t seeing those spikes that we had after Old Firm games and there aren’t the same levels. This isn’t so much about the 50,000 people at the game who are well policed, it’s the whole country that reacts, or those outside the game.”
House said that the lack of the fixture had also removed a massive strain on police resources. “We had one year when there were seven games. We’ll take the holiday while we can.”
Figures collated by Strathclyde Police in 2011 showed that, on one Old Firm weekend, there had been 142 cases compared to an average of 67. It found the average for an Old Firm weekend was 107 incidents.
No figures for the last year have yet been published to show whether domestic violence has officially fallen.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/old-firm-absence-leads-to-drop-in-domestic-violence-1-2841538
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Agreed, the notion of a team lying down is ridiculous. There may have been individual players who were less than wholly committed, but that could apply to any game and for the benefit of any team
From memory that day Celtic missed a penalty and Rangers scored one which should never have been given . Neither of those events was the responsibility of Dunfermline. Had Celtic scored and Rangers not been awarded a very dodgy penalty the title would have gone to Celtic
Forest Hills (@ForestHills1903) says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:02
Charlie Adam said on TV after what was a brilliant match with a cracking atmosphere that the final everyone really wants is a Celtic Rangers one. That sums up why Scottish football will never recover. We need lots of strong teams but that’s not what those at the top or in the media want.
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It was a brilliant match with a cracking atmosphere and I have to say that the utter despondency of the Hearts players was obvious in their faces – these were guys who had played their hearts out for the jersey as did St Mirren.
I enjoyed yesterday’s game more than many a dour bile-ridden Celtic/Rangers game and you are totally correct that we need a strong league, not just two teams, for the good of Scottish Football.
The pundits are all worried about their jobs now the Old Firm has been discarded in the sectarian trashcan and I for one most certainly don’t miss it not when we see some of the exciting games we’ve seen this season.
From the Scotsman article:
“But, with Rangers having been demoted to the Scottish Third Division this year, House said the effect on crime was already noticeable across the country.”
Rangers were not demoted.
Forest Hills (@ForestHills1903) says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:02
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… Charlie Adam said on TV after what was a brilliant match with a cracking atmosphere that the final everyone really wants is a Celtic Rangers one. That sums up why Scottish football will never recover. We need lots of strong teams but that’s not what those at the top or in the media want.
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I heard that too, but then thought that I must have misinterpreted his words; after all, the match outshone many a dreary, ill-tempered, OF affair. Charlie’s ‘everyone” must be a few blinkered pundits and TV executives.
Anybody clued up on Stuart Cosgrove’s oblique ‘Charlotte 18’ reference on OtB with regard to Masterton and/or SDM?
Henry Clarson says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:35
“Rangers were not demoted.”
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But has there been any effect on crime figures in Strathclyde police area since they’ve been out of the SPL?
Odd comment from Charlie Adam. Apparently, he’s a die hard Dundee FC supporter. Does he not want them to reach a final or win a cup ever again?
Danish,
Some stuff here on a range of matters including Charlotte 18 and Media House that may be of interest: http://www.scottishmediamonitor.com/features2.cfm?ID=34
Danish Pastry says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:41
Charlotte 18 was posted earlier on as per below and with the link blu provides above
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Parson St. Bhoy says:
Friday, March 15, 2013 at 17:58
The Bank of Scotland found itself in the news once again after The Sunday Times claimed it had obtained papers showing that the Bank of Scotland’s treasurer and managing director, Gavin Masterton CBE had arranged, between 1999 and 2000, a loan for an associate to buy shares in Dunfermline Athletic Football Club of which Masterton was also a director. It was claimed Masterton gave a guarantee that the shares would be bought off him before the loan had to be repaid; then, in 2001 – after Masterton had retired – the shares were later acquired by Stadia, a company Masterton owned. The Stadia group later collapsed with reported debts of £25m. A man in charge of corporate lending racking up losses of millions of pounds in his own private ventures in four years would’ve been a major embarrassment had it not been for the Scarborough Development Group – a company that used Jack Irvine’s Media House for its PR – setting up a new company: SDG Caledonia to take over Masterton’s stake and a share held by venture capitalist company, 3i for a nominal sum. The Bank of Scotland was then able to recycle the debt. The associate’s loan application from the Bank of Scotland Corporate Banking offered £69,250 at 1½% above base rate, with no security, no arrangement fees and interest payments deferred until the end of the three-year loan period. After two years, a letter from solicitors for Wood Investments (Masterton was a director) declared they would arrange with the Bank of Scotland to have the loan account cleared using funds from Stadia which left them in control of Dunfermline Athletic Football Club. The Sunday Times claimed that a letter from Masterton discussed with his associate a realignment of shares in Stadia on the basis of a firm called Charlotte 18 holding 75%. Charlotte 18 appeared on paper to be a director-less offshore company in the British Virgin Islands.
If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.
J. Paul Getty
So, every SPL clubs is in debt to Mastertons BOS – overdraft, loans, day to day banking facilities
Almost every club, probably at the banks insistence, used mastertons company to build their new stadiums (putting them into more debt)
That is the CLUBS problem.
HBOS were £760M into Murrays companies – that is the BANKS problem
How to get the money back?
Put the squeeze on the clubs
source the steel for stadium construction from Murrays companies – boosting them to ensure a return
Ensure a successful RFC with CL income to repay debts
One of the 1st things Fergus did when he took over Celtic was change banks. the public reason given at the time was down to their treatment of the club over the overdraft level but it was also widely rumoured that there were concerns that the bank may have been sharing sensitive club information with “third parties”
Now, this is a “mad timmy conspiracy” and it really should be ignored – shouldn’t it
However, given what we ahve seen in the past 13 years (at least) is it so implausible?
We now have revelations that Longmuir, Peat, Ogilivie were all RFC shareholders, Smith was the SFA CEO a rangers player and subsequently Rangers CEO (2 jobs he had absolutely no qualifications for and was an unmitigated disaster in)
The SFA chairman was at RFC when players were knowingly and willfully incorrectly registered with the SFA – and when he had left the club and was at the SFA, he did not address the issue….probably because he stood to lose a £95k loan he had received from RFC.
The fact he owed ANY club money should have been enough to disqualify him from the position of chairman, but not in Scotland.
Then we have Sandy brysons testimony – I’m actually shocked this man survived the Cadette affair that brought down farry. To then hear he has come up with a new, unprecidented twist on an age old rule during LNS adds further fuel to the conspiracy
Now we have Jimmy calderwood confirming he was offered teh job at another club by Murray with the dangling carrot of a move to RFC if he “was a good boy”
Its not surprising that Jimmy was ultimately shafted by RFC – along with everyone else.
Dunfermline are in the financial mess they are in due to bad management, however, had the SFA and Lord Hodge done their job properly, Dunfermline would have still been in the SPL 9with greater income) and may not be at deaths door today.
I’m not holding my breath that given ANY of the above revelations will see any action from the SFA, UEFA or FIFA, it certainly won’t be in the press.
But one thing is 100% clear to me, the game is scotland is totally corrupt and, quite simply, does not merit our support.
If you want to continue funding this farce, fill your boots. If your club does nothing about it – then they are equally complicit, so don’t expect change and accept what you are given.
But i’ll not spend another penny on the professional/senior game in this country until it is completely overhauled.
I’ve been away for a few days so apologies if I’m covering old ground
To me, the Charlie Adam comments fit in perfectly with David Longmuir’s famous circular re colt teams. The media pundits are welcome to their view and if that is regular old firm fixtures then so be it, albeit I agree his default setting of “everyone wants…” is always frustrating, incorrect and never challenged, although efforts are made by Cosgrove, Gordon and Spence to name but a few.
I regard it however as David Longmuir’s job (as opposed to just the above’s personal viewpoints on a radio show) to take on board the view that a healthy mix of strong teams is best. Now maybe it is his honest view that colt teams is the way to achieve that – from a players perspective I can almost understand it. Personally, and therefore from a fans perspective survey of one, ie. me, I think he is wholly wrong for precisely the reasons so passionately put by Forest Hills at 9.02. Whilst not deliberately trying to be controversial he needs to find a way of ‘handicapping’ the stronger teams which I’ll gve him the benefit of the doubt was his intention with the Colts idea. I don’t mean giving the rest of us a ten point start, I’ve never been convinced by the USA college draft system often championed, I would just like an idea to apparently be for the greater good to achieve more days like Hampden on Sunday. Celtic and a no doubt eventually resurgent sevco will have no alternative in that situation but to react and invest, that’s their choice, their perogative, but I guess that’s my final point – it is up to the supporters and boards of the top teams to fund any success that they may eventually win, not the rest of us by providing token opposition. And to be clear at the moment I don’t regard that as particularly Celtic’s fault by the way!
I’ll be fair to David Longmuir as well. By far and away the worst example to me of policies to support the top two as was, was undoubtedly the old SPL prize fund distribution as I’ve said on here many times. No issue with the first prize, that was agreed at the start, played for and won. But the drop from 2nd to 3rd being bigger than 3rd to 12th. Please? That such a structure was presumably voted in by all twelve teams. Disgusting.
Thanks @blu and @wottpi
Well done SC for dropping that into the public domain on radio.
‘Almost every club, probably at the banks insistence, used mastertons company to build their new stadiums (putting them into more debt)’
NTHM, while I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, as someone very closely involved with Stadia Investment Group, that statement just isn’t true. Proposals were put to various clubs, but the business model was so fundamentally flawed, that without exception, the clubs knocked it back. The only club that was tied in was Livingston, who had to be put into Administration in 2005 to save Masterton’s reputation and allow HBOS to recycle Livingston’s debt via SDG Caledonia Ltd, a company set up specifically for that purpose.
Thanks to all those who have posted so much information regarding Masterson, Calderwood, Bank of Scotland and Charlotte 18. An eye opener to a mug like me, especially coming on top of Lords Hodge and Nimmo Smith desperately seeking any avenue to allow “Rangers” to escape the consequences of their actions.
Of course I expected nothing better from the SFA. The deep seated corruption of that organisation has been clear to anyone with half a brain for many years.
However it is now clear that the whole Scottish establishment is absolutely rotten to the core. Politicians, police, banks, the courts- it is a desperate picture of a corrupt little country totally run by a seedy cabal whose only loyalty is to each other- and yes, I’m talking handshakes here.
I have no solution to put forward, short of a total revolution that clears this stinking midden out once and for all, which of course will never happen. And even if it did, the scum would probably still rise to the top eventually.
As regards football, it is now crystal clear that I’ve been played for a sucker for many years and much money. Well I’ll never get a penny back, but at least I don’t have to pay another penny. That is all I can do, except watch in wonder as these low-life crooks and fraudsters (that’s the pillars of Scottish society, by the way) just carry on as before with total impunity.
Does anyone on here know, or can tell me how I can find out, when RFC changed their bankers from RBS to BofS. I know it was in the early 90’s but I don’t know the exact date.
finchleyflyer says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:54
Odd comment from Charlie Adam. Apparently, he’s a die hard Dundee FC supporter. Does he not want them to reach a final or win a cup ever again?
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Guys like him are often not too bright and tend to say what they think’s expected of them. Having been down in England for a good number of years he probably hasn’t a scooby about what really went on up here.
The ‘Adminisphere’ – The rarified organisational layers above the rank and file that makes decisions that are often profoundly inappropriate or irrelevant.
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finchleyflyer says:
Monday, March 18, 2013 at 09:54
Odd comment from Charlie Adam. Apparently, he’s a die hard Dundee FC supporter. Does he not want them to reach a final or win a cup ever again?
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Guys like him are often not too bright and tend to say what they think’s expected of them. Having been down in England for a good number of years he probably hasn’t a scooby about what really went on up here.
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I guess players enjoy the atmosphere and intensity and ignore the background to it all. Adam scored in this fixture – a positive memory and he answers a question honestly. Whichever reporter asked about the loss of the OF fixture could have asked about tax avoidance but didn’t. Strangely, I think these working class boys made good such as Adam and Dodds, won’t be condemned for tax dodging by those who know them. It’s not just corporatists (greedy thieves) who dodge tax.