A guest blog by Auldheid
In the previous blog (http://www.tsfm.scot/how-not-to-govern-scottish-football/), TSFM wrote to Harper Macleod raising questions on their advice supplied to the then SPL Board in February 2013 when the Lord Nimmo Smith Decision re use of EBTs and side letters was announced.
A reply was received from Mr McKenzie on 18th September the gist of which can be discerned in the following reply sent on 4th October.
Dear Mr McKenzie 4th Oct 2014
Thank you for your response of 18th September to my letter of 5th September regarding the consequences of information on the true nature of EBTs for Craig Moore, Ronald De Boer and Tor Andre Flo being withheld from your good selves when establishing in 2012 the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission into the use of EBTs and side letters by Rangers FC from 1999.
In recognition of the points you made about publishing your responses on line, your letter of 18th September will not be published although readers of TSFM will be able to gather from this reply which is being published what those points were.
Anonymity.
It is a matter of real regret that not only was anonymity required, but that Harper MacLeod were used as a conduit to try and elicit a reply from the SPFL or SFA. In terms of anonymity there were three factors at play:
- Security. The individuals asking the questions are aware that any raised concerning Rangers can attract threats from the worst of the Rangers support. We know that they are a minority but nevertheless, as we have recently witnessed, some are ready to turn threat into action. It is a condemnation of Scottish society that fear has played its part in preventing the truth being revealed about Rangers FC’s use of EBTs since 1999.
- Collective. The Scottish Football Monitor is made up of supporters of many clubs in Scottish football and is in effect a collective. The letters reflect to a large extent the thinking and feelings of the majority of readers. If a name is required for any future correspondence from the SPFL or SFA, then it can be addressed to Mr John Macnab, and a Post Box address can be supplied if necessary in addition to this e mail address press@tsfm.scot.
- Accountability. The final factor is the most important because it is why Harper Macleod were approached. It was not just because you were responsible for commissioning the Lord Nimmo Smith enquiry, but because there is absolutely no form of direct accountability by either the SPFL or the SFA to the supporters of Scottish football clubs. Correspondence can be ignored or the content not fully addressed and the customer who pays the wages of both organisations has no means of redress at all. Had there been some oversight in say an Ombudsman type role, it would not have been necessary to involve Harper MacLeod and indeed your good self. We sincerely apologise for doing so along with our thanks for actually responding to our correspondence, but we would like the reasons for our approach being addressed by the clubs who make up both footballing authorities. We hope you pass this particular point on to both SFA and SPFL.
Provenance.
You ask what the provenance is of the information/evidencethat you were given. The answer is we do not know, it was taken from material uploaded mainly in June last year for purposes unknown. Whilst its provenance may be in doubt there is no question as to the veracity of the content of the material itself.
This, when put together, sets out the narrative that prompted our correspondence. This question of provenance simply looks like an excuse for football authority not investigating what the material suggests took place when Duff and Phelps were asked to supply all documents relating to EBTs (no distinction being made) from the inception of the SPL.
Even if the material itself could not be used directly, it should have prompted questions that would have either corrected the narrative or established that the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission was indeed misled either by accident or design, when those documents were not supplied.
The SPFL must surely have the powers to seek the original documents from BDO and the SFA cannot be totally impotent in that regard either.
Then there is the personal knowledge of current SFA President Campbell Ogilvie to draw on. A simple statement explaining why he saw no reason to make any distinction between the irregular DOS REBTs that he launched in 1999 and the later MGMRT EBTs of which he was a beneficiary would surely help clear the air?
Existence of Side Letters.
We note that the Commission were aware of the existence of side letters to Moore, De Boer and Flo at the time of its decision of 28th February 2013 and these were taken into account when determining the appropriate sanction. The existence of side letters is not the issue that was raised in our previous correspondence, it was the nature of the EBTs that was the issue raised. In fact it would seem that the Commission themselves were confused by the switching from the irregular REBT ebts in 2002/03 to the MGMRT EBTs that are subject to further appeal with regard to regularity by HMRC.
The side letters to De Boer and Flo of 30th August and 23 November 2000 related to the DOS REBTs that they were both paid under. It is not known if they had subsequent side letters relating to the MGMRT EBTs , which is possible, but as set out in previous correspondence there were two distinctive types of EBTs and the side letters supplied relate to the earlier irregular type.
The position regarding the Moore EBT is interesting in that whatever EBT side letter was known to the Commission in February 2012 it could only have related to payments made to him under an accompanying side letter from the MGMRT ebts after 2002/03.
That Mr Moore was paid under the REBT scheme in 1999 is a matter of supplied evidence. However there is no record of any side letter in relation to the payment under the 1999 arrangement, which may or may not have been reported in the contract lodged with the SPL and SFA. It was the absence of any side letter in respect of this payment that prevented HMRC pursuing the tax due on it as they did for De Boer and Flo in what has become known as “the wee tax case. “ The evidence of deliberate concealment by the Murray Group of the side letters to De Boer and Flo allowed HMRC to seek repayment outside the normal 6 year time limit.
However the absence of a side letter or tax demand for Mr Moore does not mean this particular payment is not deserving of further scrutiny since
- It was an irregular payment that other clubs could not avail themselves of (as applies to the other two EBTs to De Boer and Flo)
- It is not known if it was reported to the SPL/SFA under the registration rules of that period.
Finally thank you for forwarding our letter of 5th September and previous correspondence to the SFA Compliance Officer. Hopefully any further correspondence will be between him and ourselves, first to our email address, later to a PO Box if required.
It is the hope of all readers of The Scottish Football Monitor that the SFA will stop hiding behind the provenance excuse, which is destroying any semblance of integrity and proper governance of Scottish football and they will use their powers to properly acquire the information that will set the record straight and in doing so start to restore some of the lost trust which is essential for the wellbeing of Scottish football.
John Macnab
TSFM
Kicker Conspiracy says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:39 am
I see that Aberdeen and Dundee United were drawn together in the League Cup draw.
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I can’t begin to tell you my disappointment at that, because my club will now have to play a game I would rather they had avoided at any cost, for many reasons. A game against Aberdeen or Dundee Utd would have been the excellent sporting occasion a game against Rangers can never now be in my view. Frankly, this game is a horrible prospect, and I did not speak to a single Celtic fan at or after the game yesterday who was desperate for it to happen.
borussiabeefburg says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:43 am
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Celtic’s official site reported the actual League Cup draw roughly 10 minutes before it took place on live television yesterday, four minutes before they informed folk that the club had won 1-0 v ICT.
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The time will almost certainly refer to when this webpage was created. The page will have been created prior to the draw; but published once the reality was known.
I do love (and subscribe to many) a conspiracy theory; but this would need just too many people keeping schtum to make it work.
Then again…. 😕
borussiabeefburg says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:43 am
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Celtic’s official site reported the actual League Cup draw roughly 10 minutes before it took place on live television yesterday, four minutes before they informed folk that the club had won 1-0 v ICT.
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The comms surrounding this fixture will have been thought out and agreed in advance of the draw. As a contingent liability. 😀 The time will almost certainly refer to when this webpage was created. The page will have been created prior to the draw; but published once the reality was known.
I do love (and subscribe to many) a conspiracy theory; but this would need just too many people keeping schtum to make it work.
Then again…. 😕
Apologies for double post. Was meant as an edit. Bloody phone. 😳
borussiabeefburg says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:43 am
Celtic’s official site reported the actual League Cup draw roughly 10 minutes before it took place on live television yesterday, four minutes before they informed folk that the club had won 1-0 v ICT.
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The time will almost certainly refer to when this webpage was created. The page will have been created prior to the draw; but published once the reality was known.
I do love (and subscribe to many) a conspiracy theory; but this would need just too many people keeping schtum to make it work.
Then again…. 😕
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Sounds as though their web team is switched-on and created advance pages to cover all eventualities.
It’s common practice in the print media when a story is going to break right on print time but it’s not clear what the result will be. Probably happens more in late-breaking sports results than news.
No conspiracy just making sure the paper was printed on time and gets distributed on time which saves having to meet a lot of additional costs if the paper is ‘late’.
Was the draw `live` or not?
mtp
upthehoops says:
November 2, 2014 at 7:35 am
Kicker Conspiracy says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:39 am
I see that Aberdeen and Dundee United were drawn together in the League Cup draw.
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I did not speak to a single Celtic fan at or after the game yesterday who was desperate for it to happen.
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Straw polls always have to be handled with care. I was on a double-decker heading to Glasgow city centre when someone shouted out the draw after checking their mobile.
The bus went mental with singing and shouting all explaing in graphic detail what we would be doing to a team whose name started with ‘H’. Rangers or Sevco was never mentioned – in reality it was like a war zone truce has ended and real hostilities had started.
In the city centre pub I meet my mates after games which always has other supporters there I can honestly say the main topic of conversation was tickets being like ‘gold-dust’ and how both sides were going to get them.
I wom’t be going to the game for my own personal reasons so I think I can be fairly detached about something I have always known was likely to happen at some stage.
The attendance will stand testament to what supporters want and all I think about is the poor sods – including many non footie fans – who will end-up battered and bruised no matter the result.
And that’s if they are lucky as it can always be much worse.
IF, and for me its a very big if, the “prepared page” story is correct
1) Why was it only prepared at 16:58 when you would think the concentration would be on publishing the result of the match rather than creating a holding page ❓ Creation of the holding page would have been earlier in the day.
2) Why wasn’t there one or more holding pages created for the ICT result which was also going to be breaking news ❓ Especially given I understand only Zaluska’s heroics prevented ICT scoring a last gasp equaliser.
My theory would be that the web publishing software holds a variable paramater of the system date and when the page is committed to publication (the button is pressed) it converts that variable into its datetime value at that precise moment. The draw was not live :poop: and the Celtic media staff have let that cat out of the bag.
One other point. If they were trying to rig it for the final they could easily have been scuppered. Remember Aberdeen have a recent cup victory at Celtic Park and I wouldn’t guarantee Celtic beating either of the new firm in a semi. And teams from Govan don’t have a very good record recently against Dundee United in the Cup while we all know Aberdeen like to upset the Govan applecart too
The new club were always going to have a first game since they were phoenixed against each and every SPL club.
They’ve already played a few including Caley and Saints this year.
No big deal.
If the two Glasgow giants had not successfully used afiliations having nothing to do with football to recruit fans from towns and cities outwith their own hinterlands then the upcoming game would have no special significance.
It is these deeply held (and not always spoken about) affiliations and the way they are exploited that causes the real issue and thats why matches between these clubs are so “special”.
Special to fans and media people too.
We live in a football world where our SFA gives a celtic player a 7 match for alleged racism but we accept and possibly allow the fans of our two best supported teams to revert back to traditions that are overwhelmingly sad.
And yes they make this a Big Game.
But Big because of a whole bunch of historic reasons that have allowed the big two to steal fans from all over the country for generations.
Maybe one day there will be supporters buses running from Glasgow to support Inverness but I doubt it – this situation is one way and for reasons that have always had nothing to do with football.
I was always fed up when people in Scotland would ask me “Celtic or Rangers”?
Saying “Neither”‘ didn’t work and the next question was which one was my “Second” team, – in an attempt to find out if I was from their own particular tribe.
That is Scotland.
And yes one of the clubs and its fan base was and is much worse than the other one but whataboutery never solved anything.
I have now caught-up with a lot of earlier posts on the ‘live’ draw.
I really have to say that some posters have let themselves down badly and had a knee-jerk reaction to seize on a conspiracy theory as the obvious answer.
In my experience conpiracy theories that are immediately obvious as such almost never are actual conspiracies which by their very nature are designed in secret to achieve results which may well be designed for public consumption.
Or more usually to hide the true source of the conspiracy.
In the situation of this draw and in this day and age of instant internet communication the only rational reasoning I can apply as to why this was done was to fly a totally erroneous ‘conspiracy’ theory although for the life of me I couldn’t think of a reason for that.
That – if I didn’t have the knowledge I have of both print and internet media – would lead me to investigate what had happened.
I haven’t done so because I am fairly sure my earlier post advances a much more realistic conclusion than a conspiracy theory on a grand scale that fell apart within seconds.
I’m afraid many posters have fallen into the trap we often blame the SMSM of committing which is spouting crap with no evidence to back it up or even looking for any counter evidence which would have destroyed a healthy dose of indignation at yet other ‘conspiracy theory’ being unmasked.
Better to engage brain and apply rational thought than automatically assume that everything is a conspiracy.
One of the major and most heated talking points at Parkhead yesterday was the fact that for two games recently they ran-out of chips at half-time and there was no sauce sachets although at the last game it was salt packets that were in absence.
On such weighty matters are the fans actually driven to near revolt and I think it’s important to remember that.
tykebhoy says:
November 2, 2014 at 8:22 am
This matter is easily resolved, as follows A question for Celtic- When and how were your people informed of the draw result, and at what time did you post the semi-final draw result on your website? A question for the BBC- was what was broadcast live the “real” draw? If so at what time were the balls drawn? There are questions that could be asked of the SFA, but frankly I wouldn’t suggest that anyone wastes their time on that front.
Another approach might be to investigate twitter timelines, to see whether any tweets carrying news of the draw are timed earlier than the “live” broadcast.
I don’t have any personal view on the matter, but if it was established that any shennanigans took place on this occasion, then I think that would clearly point to a long history of such antics. The person caught shoplifting for the first time is very seldom in fact a first offender, if you know what I mean!
And so it begins………
Anthony Stokes can’t wait for the return of the big derby
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anthony-stokes-cant-wait-league-4552306
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In fairness to Celtic I’d imagine they had all possible outcomes written before the draw.
@bill I also don’t doubt that. What I doubt is that they wrote 3 different news stories, one of which to be published, less than 10 minutes after a match has finished while still presumably compiling the news story for that match which has just finished. If the time stamp on the web page is when text started to be added to the pre-publshed page then the news story on the match would surely have a timestamp of before 3.00 pm when at least the teamsheets (that do appear at the bottom of the story) were known.
The official CelticFC tweet of the LC semi draw is timed at 5.09pm. I can’t find any earlier notifications, but I haven’t looked very hard.
@ ecobhoy
Good to see the Herald keeping up with the blog. 🙄
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/ashley-firm-had-financial-control-of-rangers-retail-2-years-ago.25756326?
@neepheid the Celtic tweet reads as 5.07pm to me as does a Radio Clyde tweet. It took bbcsport over 90 minutes to tweet it.
John Clark says:
November 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm
What I can call for, and what I would actually have expected (naive, or what?)is for Celtic supporters to show their contempt for the fixture by staying away from it. And for the Celtic CEO to instruct his players to remain absolutely non-committal, and refuse to be drawn into any attempt by the media to get them to ‘legitimise’ the match.
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A completely empty Celtic end would be the ultimate two finger salute to the blazers and the media, and I would love to see it. However, would Celtic not have to be involved in some capacity in bringing such a glorious scenario to pass? Are there rules which would force them to return unsold tickets?
At the back of a lot of supporters minds would be the prospect of allowing their club’s players and officials to enter an environment with 25000 Sevco supporters without the backing (or, I hate to have to say it, protection) of thousands of Celtic supporters.
TSFM says:
November 1, 2014 at 10:46 pm
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Think I’m gonna have to remove the poop
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Please don’t! And please can there also be a “bull” icon to go with it (which could sit by the lamb for company when not in use), for when public service broadcasters (whose role in a democracy is to report the facts) spout untruths and misleading information about the status and history of a two year old football club.
Finally, I think it would look more appropriate if the crying unhappy face, not the sideways smiley one, was right next to the poop. Thanks
tykebhoy says:
November 2, 2014 at 9:16 am
What I doubt is that they wrote 3 different news stories, one of which to be published, less than 10 minutes after a match has finished while still presumably compiling the news story for that match which has just finished. If the time stamp on the web page is when text started to be added to the pre-publshed page then the news story on the match would surely have a timestamp of before 3.00 pm when at least the teamsheets (that do appear at the bottom of the story) were known.
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I haven’t a clue what software is used by Celtic but preparing the draw story in advance makes absolute sense because the department involved would be under pressure because of the time proximity with the match result and all the after-match statements stuff to go out as well.
They probably use templates for their internet ‘pages’ which usually can be written into ‘live’ although that increases the chance of errors slipping through. However far easier and safer, if time allows, is to pre-prepare the different stories onto a word-processor to check and edit and then when the draw is known to simply cut and paste the correct one onto the internet template, press the button and bingo it’s uploaded. It literally takes a second to do that.
As to the point you make about time stamping: If you have access to the non-public side of document creation you will see the time of opening the template but it’s normal also to see the time of every revision with only the last revision being automatically generated and publicly shown.
If I am correct there probably was only a creation time of the web page and no subsequent revisions so the time which was publicly printed is the creation time. However that is a guess on my part and if I am correct that time should have been manually altered before the ‘send’ button was pushed.
Below is how the three pre-prepared stories would look on the word proceesor document. It isn’t rocket science and as you’ll see they are almost identical. But the cutting and pasting would be done within 1 second of the draw being announced:
the taxman cometh says:
November 1, 2014 at 12:09 am
somethings afoot
sir donald of fundlay saying not the same club
http://imgur.com/Y1SQ220
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Catching up a bit with this one, but surely we’re finally getting somehwere! We now have a favourable “Counsel’s opinion” on the matter without having to raise the going rate of £1500…
tykebhoy says:
November 2, 2014 at 9:33 am
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@neepheid the Celtic tweet reads as 5.07pm to me as does a Radio Clyde tweet. It took bbcsport over 90 minutes to tweet it.
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Looked again, and you are correct- so the question is, what time was the draw broadcast? Wasn’t it scheduled for 5.05?
Big Pink says:
November 1, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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John Clark says:
November 1, 2014 at 9:51 pm
And as for Packy Bonner and the Celtic dressing room and( to a lesser extent, Deila) the whole damn lot should be lobotomised. And Peter Lawwell as well, who was probably standing at the dressing room door orchestrating their ‘cheer’ for the benefit of the BBC.
And as for the BBC Radio Scotland weasel, he is beyond contempt for his desperate, begging insistence to foreign players to say something good about ‘Rangers’ and how they ‘missed’ the ‘Old Firm’, and how much they knew about ‘Rangers’ and how important they were.I was almost sick listening to it.
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You know John – and I do understand there is a touch of bunker-mentality in my thoughts – it makes no difference who – Celtic players or directors or the MSM or anyone else – thinks today’s outcome is good. There are those of us who know that it is a serious blight on our national identity and a danger to the well-being of our children and loved ones.
Maybe if I had a financial interest in that match (like the people above) I’d think differently, but I’d expect others to tell me that my opinion bore no weight simply because of it.
I can’t threaten Celtic with the withdrawal of my support if they endorse the OF brand – because I already have withdrawn it on account of what I see as their lack of moral leadership of their fanbase over this issue. Consequently, I would also assume that those who have not already done so over that would be unlikely to do so now.
I understand those who say that Celtic and others have to be careful what they say for fear of reprisal. I really do, but surely we have to realise that if that is the choice they are forced to make, then everything that follows from that is a lie and unworthy of the passion we as fans have invested in the game over the years. I also think it is ridiculously ironic to stand behind the “social unrest” defence whilst bigging up an organised hatefest in the early spring.
Maybe I’m jumping the gun (I hope I am), but a failure to draw a moral line in the sand, no matter the rationale or how well-intentioned, leads to the destruction of everything on the beach. For me right now, especially today, the beach is full of drunken lager louts on their first trip to the seaside.
My inclination is to head for the hills.
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BP…and that, exactly, is what many of us have done, and yes, Essex does have hills! I did so, with a particularly heavy heart, exactly 35 years ago, a wound that has never quite healed.
What is even sadder, is that the underlying culture(s) still prevail, despite the genuine improvement in Scottish, and in particular, West of Scotland society. 🙁
A whole 3 months of build up , which by my arithmetic means another 1.5 loans worth Mike Ashley style loans. I’m not sure I can stand the rubbish emanating from Ibrox and the SMSM in the intervening period.
On the football front, no one will be bought from Rangers due to their 1980 s approach to the game , Hampden pudding pitch , Craig Thomson allowing a free flowing game , will be offset against EL commitments every other week completed; comfortable 3 to 4 nil win for Celtic.
In football terms an utter non-event.
In SMSM terms , Christmas come early , I do remember a DR headline in recent time “Old Firm at War” and the usual suspects enjoying it. I fear more of the same garbage with the Celtic mgt team goaded for the next 3 months.
@neepheid. I didn’t hear the “live” draw but yes it was scheduled for 5.05. If normal practice was followed first of all there would probably have been the introductory guff from the BBC presenter then he would have either named the draw party or handed over to the official for the draw party who would announce who was drawing the first ball for each tie and then the 2nd ball. Even on a 5 minute programme where time was of the essence would the complete draw have been made within 3 minutes. Of course it could have been tweeted before all the balls were out of the bag …….
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 9:25 am
@ ecobhoy
Good to see the Herald keeping up with the blog. 🙄
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/ashley-firm-had-financial-control-of-rangers-retail-2-years-ago.25756326?
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I bet it doesn’t surprise you to know that The Herald was made aware of my information when I posted it back in the day and it chose like all the other papers informed to ignore it.
The info was a matter of Public Record at Companies House and therefore cast-iron but for whatever reason the SMSM chose to ignore it – I wonder why?
I really must dig out my original post in 2013 to get the date 😆
Still nice to see that Mr Williams has woken from his slumbers to claim a 2-year-old ‘Exclusive’ and I suppose he has had the humility not to have claimed it as a ‘World Exclusive’ which I now do – trade mark to follow 🙄
Of course as well as being in accord with his SMSM colleagues Mr Williams is also in the company of AIM who have done nothing about Rangers Retail Ltd being listed as a subsidiary of RIFC Plc despite it being a matter of record that it is in-reality controlled by another company who can also buy it out at basically the drop of a hat or lover’s tiff probably is a more accurate description.
I will lightly pass over Mr Williams’ other recent ‘exclusive’ vis a vis trademark ownership involving Rangers Media Ltd other than to say it now appears he has learnt a lesson about too readily accepting documentation from parties with vested interests.
Good journalism is a long hard learning curve so I must congratulate Mr Williams on making a start although I wonder whether some of his earlier published comments might have attracted the attention of a very powerful Ibrox ‘player’ and led to a few suggestions from his legal representatives.
So we end-up with not quite a retraction but more a ‘clarification’.
Setting aside my own fear that a piece of the establishment jigsaw ‘fell’ into place last night and the suspicions and frustrations with the petty hype in the aftermath of the draw.Can we expect to see that anything has actually changed in the run up to this match?
theoldshed says:
November 2, 2014 at 10:18 am
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the taxman cometh says:
November 1, 2014 at 12:09 am
somethings afoot
sir donald of fundlay saying not the same club
http://imgur.com/Y1SQ220
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Catching up a bit with this one, but surely we’re finally getting somehwere! We now have a favourable “Counsel’s opinion” on the matter without having to raise the going rate of £1500…
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ToS (?)…grab that quote…it is nearer £6k in my areas of operation…and that is just for starters! :poop:
PS… a wholly inappropriate “poop” before it is withdrawn
PPS… StevieBC…you’re were pooping brilliant back there!
Sorry but pre-prepared pages does NOT make sense. If that was the case, the pages would have been prepared on Thursday or Friday when the semi-finalists were known, not on Saturday after a match that needed a report.
With reference to my earlier post about ‘the draw’being or not being ‘live’,I have to say that what I was fulminating about was NOT related to any view of there being a ‘conspiracy’ to fake the draw, but about the duplicity of BBC Scotland in pretending that the draw on Radio, which I listened to, was actually being made live at the time.
The technical ‘explanations’ made by subsequent posters who started and ran with the hare of ‘knee-jerk conspiracies’, are above my understanding: I’ve no clear idea of that kind of stuff.
Can I be assured that when I heard Richard Gordon handing over to the ‘drawers’ at about 5.05 pm, that he was speaking live and that the ensuing draw was actually happening when I heard it?
TSFM says:
November 1, 2014 at 10:46 pm
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Think I’m gonna have to remove the poop 🙁
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I’m busy checking the exact time of the poop’s first appearence. Is it a live poop? I hope not. We should be told.
In reality, a ‘keech’ symbol would be better (a little DR logo, perhaps?). Failing that, a cow (= manure). Poop, like bulls***, is a bit of trans-Atlantic English that seems out of place. Cow manure, on the other hand, is a fine summary of most tabloid journalism. So if there is to be a change I’d vote for a wee coo symbol.
Moo’ ving on …
Danish Pastry says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:24 am
‘..Cow manure, on the other hand, is a fine summary of most tabloid journalism….’
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Yes, DP, you’ve got it off pat! 😆
Folks; given the general absence of scruples which runs through the core of the game like a stock of rock without the lettering, I can understand why people are asking questions about the conduct of the draw. I don’t think we are letting ourselves down by asking those questions – it is rather proof of the lack of trust we have in those who run the game. However, there really is nothing to see here.
The Celtic newsroom in my day would have been prepared for the draw. They use a content management system to prepare the pages, and all news stories will come from the same template.
My guess is that whoever was waiting on the draw opened up the page for editing at the time time-stamped on the page, so that they could key in all the information, such as dates, which could be entered in advance. When the draw is made it is a simple matter of keying four words, hitting enter, and being first with the story.
The new CMS obviously time-stamps the item when it is created. So does WordPress, the CMS on which this site is built. I also regularly see different times on my local PC and the remote server. Currently there is a 3 minute difference between my PC and my remote server where my website sits. The result of them synchronising to two different servers (which is a also a tad worrying, but true nonetheless).
In my time at CP, the time-stamp would have been on publication, not page creation. Whoever designed the old CMS was clearly on the ball eh? 🙂
If WGS is openly suggesting that we have to manipulate the game then it is surely time to throw in the towel and stop referring to it as sport.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9546153/strachan-league-needs-rangers?
Martin,
Not to be smug, but I have been saying exactly that for two years 🙂
OK maybe a wee bit smug 😎
Seriously though, none of the people who make their living from football appear to give a :poop: about the effect this thing brings to our country. It’s like asking Lockheed to vote for disarmament. Not gonna happen, but it doesn’t make them right.
I’ve read all of the comment about the draw and been amazed that the real fix has not been spotted.
Celtic have been given a bye into the final rather than having to meet any one of the New Firm! 😈
Scottish Football needs a strong Arbroath.
BRTH CQN Nail on head
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?cqn_match_reports_=celtic-1-0-inverness&cpage=13#comment-2367974
“Good Morning All.
I have read all the comments since the draw was made and note all the feelings expressed about the semi final against yon other team from Glasgow.
In that vein and in that light can I point out something that is just a plain fact though many will not see it this way.
No Scottish Financial institution — whether it be bank, pension fund, insurance company, property company or whatever has stepped forward to invest in or save or prop up the entity that was Rangers PLC or what is now referred to as Rangers International Football club or whatever.
No major Scottish businessman has sought to empty his pockets, cashed in his pension, sold his shares in Apple or whatever to save or invest in that football club to the extent that it in anyway resembles the club that was taken over by or later ran by David Murray.
Paul recently referred to it as a husk of a club. I don’t think that was being disrespectful as it is a husk — a shadow — a pale impression — a figment of the imagination — of the club that existed 3-4 years ago.
Why do I say that?
Because the facts are plain- plain as day – plain as the nose on your face.
The club that existed under David Murray, like David Murray and like Gavin Masterton and like the club that existed under Masterton — could only live and breathe whilst artificially fed money by the Bank of Scotland via a few now disgraced and financially banished idiots.
Those days are gone, finished, binned, disappeared.
In the interim, the ability to play at Ibrox has been gerrymandered and kidnapped by a guy who would have been revealed as a complete Walter Mitty and corporate lunatic ( Craig Whyte ) by the most cursory of investigations by the press or anyone else.
The outgoing board of Rangers PLC at the time knew it and pointed it out while the press printed rubbish about Billionaire status and that he owned Braehead shopping centre.
Rubbish, rubbish, more rubbish and complete rubbish. But it sold papers becaue back in the day we all believed i newspapers and what they said.
PUKE!
We then had the corporate shenanigans of the Yorkshireman with the big hands who now lives mortgage free in a substantial villa and grounds in France.
Strangely he did not own such a pad before he became involved in the Ibrox club.
He was acting along with the likes of Richard Hughes and Imran Ahmed — and of course Craig Whyte and others. Dear God Almighty – those three wouldn’t give you an electric shock if they owned their own power station unless they were getting paid for it.
They wouldn’t give you the steam of their pee on a cold day unless it as for personal gain.
Now — once again all the institutions, all the establishment types– could have ploughed money into Charlie’s PLC. But they didn’t they stayed away — stayed miles away. Ran away!
While the daft punters strolled in, lapped up the sales speech, parted with the cash which Charlie is still removing to this day — though not as fast as he removed circa £25 MILLION — none of which was spent on players, the stadium, casinos, hotels, superstores and the likes.
On the contrary, Charlie sold everything from the Image rights to the car park eventually.
Rangers – or whatever you want to call them — have no money. They had no money last month and they will have no money next month.
In the interim they have Mike Ashley’s loan.
Loans need to get paid back.
Ashley did not lend money to Newcastle he bought Newcastle for a ridiculous price and then promptly stopped putting money in and started taking money out.
Ask yourself this:
Since the arrival of Mike Ashley has Newcastle Utd progressed as a football team?
Compare today’s Newcastle to the one that Keegan used to rant about which boasted David Ginola, Beardsley, Les Ferdinand and many other household names.
Who can you name now from the magpie ranks?
The alternatives to Ashley’s money were Brian Kennedy or Dave King.
Go and ask Port Vale fans or Sale Sharks fans what they think of Kennedy;s stewardship and what he does? He is not popular. I have a friend who held a very senior position in his organisation at one point and his opinion is that he takes far more out than he will ever put in.
Another senior and experienced businessman I know believes that Kennedy’s bid was all just show with no substance at all.
As for the glib and shameless liar …….. I am just not even going there.
So — forget what you might read in the press. They are a joke, desperate to sell newspapers and have had so many things wrong before that their words are not worth the toilet paper they are printed on.
Rangers cannot afford the team they have at the moment. They cannot afford any type of improved team or to pay additional wages, transfer fees, loan fees or what have you.
They LOSE £1 MILLION per month and can’t cover it up.
Their books do not balance.
Their business plan does not stack up and over the past 3 years approximately 20 directors have all had a look and reached the same conclusion from the inside.
Their position is worse today than it was yesterday and the day before. It is worse than it was under Murray and Whyte in terms of running a business on a day to day basis without any extraordinary items or debts such as the big tax case.
The press are desperate to make this tie something that it is not.
It is a semi final which is three months away against some other team — although that other team may not be there at all in that timescale.
Someone suggested that come December the only survival plan was for Rangers to SELL players not buy them.
That plan involves the potential sale of Liam McLeod, Ian Black, and anyone else who might just attract a few hundred thousand pounds in transfer fees.
Right now that is what it is going to take to keep the lights on unless Ashley pumps in more money.
He only bought Newcastle for the exposure and the shirt sales That is it.
He already controls the shirts sales at Ibrox and he may well not want any more exposure with the brand — Rangers being a far more toxic name in many ways than Newcastle Utd. That could harm Sports Direct and he will never harm that name recklessly.
So — forget about this tie it is miles away.
Forget about Scottish Football being desperate for a return to the good old days. There are plenty who don’t want that and some of them are within football itself as they realise that the threat of Armageddon was a myth, a lie, a well peddled falsehood that only served to protect one team and the newspaper industry.
There were no good old days financially. It was all a can of fresh air propped up on an accounting and banking myth for many clubs who all banked with the Bank of Scotland and whose most intimate financial details were known where they shouldn’t have been.
Not any more. That is gone and the banking practices that once blighted the land have been sufficiently tightened that many in the banking industry don’t go to the loo without fear of losing their jobs and keep money aside for tomorrows compensation claims.
Forget the idea that Celtic as a company are desperate for Rangers to come back. They are not in my opinion.
Yes, Celtic have lost domestic league revenue as a result of the Rangers demise, that is a fact and Peter Lawwell has stated that.
Yes, Celtic like others may have presumed that the best thing to do in the shock circumstances of 2011 was to try and calm the ripple effect of Rangers going bust. That has since proven to be cobblers and a plain stupid idea.
However, we are three years on from there and in that time Celtic PLC have consistently made better profits albeit in reliance on Champion’s League money which may well prove ever harder to achieve. But is has sweet floof adams to do with Rangers.
Yes, Celtic mishandle their own PR by not checking what their own ticket literature says or getting close enough to their fans to ask how they want the relationship with any new Rangers entity to be defined or by using the term “old firm” where they shouldn’t.
However, that is more to do with completely getting the PR and the tone right rather than as part of some master plan as it is obvious there can be no master plan with the Ibrox club and it would be crazy to have any master plan that even remotely involves them.
Yes, Celtic in the interim have squandered money on poor buys,have pissed their own fans off with poor PR and so on, and could have maybe done more to secure and advance non footballing income by being more innovative in terms of management.
Celtic are far from perfect in terms of management or vision or communication or whatever. That too is as plain as the nose on your face.
However, no club in Scottish Football or Scottish Football itself can rely or plan on any business model in which past Rangers, current Rangers or future Rangers is a key part because no one knows if it will be there or in what shape or form it will be there or who is going to run it.
Think of the tiniest most insignificant club in Scotland. Think of semi professional clubs like Gala Fairydean or Cove Rangers. Think of junior clubs like Maryhill, Yoker, Arthurlie, Pollok whatever.
All of these clubs are more financially secure and less likely to go bust and fall down than the Ibrox outfit. They make more money or make less of a loss.
No one is interested in any kind of Rangers other than their own fans ( many of whom have walked away completely over the years ) and the pathetic, desperate for a story to keep their jobs, press corps.
So – forget it.
It is a game we play sometime in the future in a different calendar year.
Get on with exploring how we advance our own club and team and how we make a difference in line with the ethos that started the football club in the first place.
By the way, football was only a means to an end for Celtic at the start. Had Walfrid thought that a Bingo Club called Celtic would have fed more people then we would all be sitting in with eyes down waiting to shout “house” every Saturday. We could have been an Athletics club or a cycling club or a knitting bee.
But we are not, we are a football club in the main.
Next we play a team from Romania called Astra.
Sometime in the future we will play a team which could just as easily be called 2nd Hand Lada.
Several previous careless owners, no engine, uninsurable, balding tyres, rusted body, now power steering, untaxed and aged plastic seating.
Previously sold for £1.”
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:45 am
The rouble with WGS et al, is that their working assumption is that when Rangers return to the top flight, it will be back to the situation pre Craig Whyte. Unfortunately for them, it s more likely that we will see a return to the sort of Rangers that existed pre-1985. Not the 9 in a row years, and not a gold mine for the other clubs. They are like General’s preparing to fight the last war, oblivious to the world changing under their feet. The fans truly are Lions led by fecking Donkeys
Big Pink,
I think in our own individual ways we have all been saying something broadly similar for the past two years – it’s what has brought us together.
I am aware of the financial realities and the willful lack of concern shown by those who earn their living from the game for anything outside their own narrow interests.
Nevertheless WGS’s comments are deeply disappointing.
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:45 am
‘..If WGS is openly suggesting that we have to manipulate the game then it is surely time to throw in the towel and stop referring to it as sport.’
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That’s Strachan saying the ‘right things’ as a paid employee, of course. Not guts enough when the crunch comes to live up to his independent, feisty, plain-talking, honest-Joe image.
Pity how corrosive of ‘sporting integrity’ has been the result of SDM’s cheating nature, and the truth deniers in the media.
Our blog is generally a collection of like minded individuals, many of whom would like nothing better than to see the zombie club fail.
However like the 45 in the referendum we tend to get caught up in our own wee world from time to time and loose a bit of perspective on how others view the situation.
Be in no doubt, the footballing authorities and those who run clubs all wanted a club playing out of Ibrox.
Despite all the shenanigans of the last few years the size of the T’Rangers support will always mean there is a possibility of a club surviving in one form or another in the top flight in Scotland.
Therefore the day was always going to come when this fixture would happen.
Reduced capacity or not at Brazil’s national stadium McCoist is for once correct that a Celtic v T’Rangers game will be a hot ticket.
The best we can hope for is that those who do attend are on their best behaviour and the day pases without any major incidents.
Anything else will result in our whole game being put back 30 years. There is a hefty weight on the shoulders of the MSM, both clubs and on both sets of fans.
PS like the referendum result the draw was the draw fair and square. The real problem lies with the machinations leading up to it, not with how the event itself panned out.
ppscottc says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:05 am
Sorry but pre-prepared pages does NOT make sense. If that was the case, the pages would have been prepared on Thursday or Friday when the semi-finalists were known, not on Saturday after a match that needed a report.
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Always remember that blank web pages are always pre-prepared as templates. But they shouldn’t be confused with the content which may or may not be pre-prepared. The cup draw content could have been pre-prepared but obviously a match report content can’t be.
That content can be pre-prepared in different ways: Either by copy and pasting one of three different pre-written stories dependant on the draw result. Or, the main body of the content could be pre-written with blanks for the appropriate team names to be inserted again dependant on the draw result.
Celtic will have a laid-down procedure for doing this or should have. And the page content could have been pre-prepared at any time from Thursday/Friday or even Saturday when it suited Celtic’s editorial team.
I truly doubt if they would have waited until after the match finished to start thinking about it.
Obviously if the draw story was written after the match finished it can’t be regarded as pre-prepared but I doubt if the person writing the match story would have also been writing the draw story as well.
Although, considering it would take the blink of an eye to transmit a pre-prepared cup draw story then it would be no big deal if it was the same person.
Even if the method used didn’t involve cutting and pasting the correct version of the 3 pre-prepared stories (taking 1 second) but instead involved adding the four team names in the correct places I doubt that would take more than 20 seconds.
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:45 am
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If WGS is openly suggesting that we have to manipulate the game then it is surely time to throw in the towel and stop referring to it as sport.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9546153/strachan-league-needs-rangers?
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I wonder what he meant by ‘manipulation’? I’d like to think that it was a return to a bigger top league (16 would probably do it, manipulation wise).
But as BRTH points out, there’s no certainty that current New Entity XI will be around, or competing at their current level. I’m kind of hoping the red & black scarvers or Fleshers Haugh will succeed in forming a new entity that we can all respect.
Didn’t realise that Fleshers Haugh was also the site where Jacobite troops gathered during 1746. Now that puts an even better complexion on the whole enterprise.
ecobhoy says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:39 pm
This non-story neatly illustrates the problem when people lose all confidence in institutions, the default position can all too easily become one of seeing conspiracy in everything.
The only solution is for the institutions to set about rebuilding trust, sadly, there is no sign of that even being on the Agenda, let alone being implemented.
John Clark says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:23 am
Can I be assured that when I heard Richard Gordon handing over to the ‘drawers’ at about 5.05 pm, that he was speaking live and that the ensuing draw was actually happening when I heard it?
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Well I’ve seen absolutely nothing credible to suggest it wasn’t a live draw.
DP
Don’t forget that WGS is a big Hibee – and his team may be the least likely of the “big three” in the division to gain promotion.
From that perspective a bigger league may well be on is wishlist – although it won’t happen. Even to accommodate a failed promotion bid by TRFC.
Danish Pastry says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:44 pm
you make a good point and I’ve nothing in particular against a sixteen team league.
However if such a league is formed with the specific purpose of accommodating certain teams rather than the betterment of the game as a whole then what is the proposal if for whatever reason some of them don’t make it.
An eighteen team league?
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:00 pm
Or how about a league, where certain team(s) are exempt from relegation? Football leagues are at their best when they are unapologetically Darwinian
Yesterday, a few people pointed out that my theory (that the right people rebuilding a new Rangers would be good for the game) was flawed on account of the people who appear to be hinting at that very thing.
I concede that point. On reflection though it may be that the humility inherent in such a move with an obviously new club may well temper the worst excesses of self-entitlement. Additionally it may actually give the Bears pause for thought about just what their traditions are. Some interesting and thoughtful contributions on that on FF at the minute.
Thoughts?
“The Old Firm have not met since Rangers went into liquidation……with Rangers then demoted to the then Third Division.” Today’s Sunday Times. And it took the joint brains of Douglas Alexander and Mark Walker to come up with this tosh. Beyond hapless.
scapaflow says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Exactly!
wottpi says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:15 pm
‘..Be in no doubt, the footballing authorities and those who run clubs all wanted a club playing out of Ibrox…’
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And made damned sure of it at the expense of truth and integrity, like some kind of crooked gambling syndicate of low-lifes fixing races, or matches,or boxing bouts.
Accommodation of blatant cheating destroys any notion of fair play and honest dealings: if the legislators themselves are at it, a sport self-destructs.
And the individuals make liars and cheats of themselves.
” What did you on the SFA, daddy?” ” oh, nothing much,son, just rigged Scottish Football and made a joke of Sporting Integrity by abusing my authority and catering to the unthinking masses and money-grubbers”
saw this on KDS
Anyone confirm?
“On the subject of image rights, I walked past a William hill today and it had posters in the window of us and sevco, whilst quite clearly being sevco I noticed the badge had been blurred out? Yet ours wasn’t?
Thought that was odd”
the taxman cometh says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:30 pm
saw this on KDS
Anyone confirm?
“On the subject of image rights, I walked past a William hill today and it had posters in the window of us and sevco, whilst quite clearly being sevco I noticed the badge had been blurred out? Yet ours wasn’t?
Thought that was odd”
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Obviously Wm Hill haven’t made them odds-on-favourite for the Cup so expect a full-scale boycott, mass pickets of Hill’s shops and no permission to use trade marks 😆
ecobhoy says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Don’t disagree, but, experience from elsewhere is that once trust has gone, people default to believing the worst, without thinking about the specifics of the case or without common sense being applied
Ecobhoy
I am disappointed that I had to remove your earlier post due to the insulting language you directed at other posters.
There was no madness attached to the story on TSFM. The subject was raised, as were some eyebrows, and then explanations were delivered. I believe that is what we are supposed to do – monitor events.
I certainly saw no crazies – and we lost no credibility in my view, or in the view of the mods.
And in truth, for all the boggling of minds, and although the explanations offered by BP and others seem plausible and highly likely, we have had no definitive explanation as yet.
Let the mods decide what is right and proper for the blog.
Big Pink says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm
The gut reaction was “Are you out of your tiny mind?”
But, the discussion on FF leads me to think there may be hope. The long journey the Rangers fans have been on over the last few years, has been interesting to watch, its good to see that the final destination may not be what many of us have feared
the taxman cometh says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:07 pm
BRTH CQN Nail on head.
“Because the facts are plain- plain as day – plain as the nose on your face……..”
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Perhaps, it is because I am a “neutral”, do not support any football team, have no emotional links in that direction, I can identify with Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan’s CQN piece.
The reality is, as has been described elsewhere, for “a loss making enterprise with no credit line from a bank” (copyright Phil Mac), and for all the reasons given by BRTH, it will be an uphill struggle.
After one of THE strangest administrations I have witnessed, a copy of Jon Pritchett’s article for international business magazine Forbes, should have been passed to—- strike that, there was no-one to pass it to.
Far too late now, and it will become more difficult with time.
Mike Ashley, who knows?
I avoided the poop 😈
Latest unsuccessful troll posted this. Thought it was too good to bin, but God forbid anyone wants to have a discussion with him 🙂
Note that the (Ex) is added by the system automatically when the O*d F*rm is invoked!
Peter22 says:
:poop:
Famous song says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm
“The (Ex) Old Firm have not met since Rangers went into liquidation……with Rangers then demoted to the then Third Division.” Today’s Sunday Times (who to be fair were just quoting BBC’s news at ten which lets not forget took 90 mins to tweet the draw, in case of inaccuracies).
I can only quote our originator and probably the main reason I still take part:
“there are a lot of factual inaccuracies reporting this story but surprisingly they all seem to be in the same direction”
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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….However if such a league is formed with the specific purpose of accommodating certain teams rather than the betterment of the game as a whole then what is the proposal if for whatever reason some of them don’t make it.
An eighteen team league?
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Haha. To be honest, I doubt even they would have the brass neck to push through a panic league enlargement, to 16 or 18.
Would love to see a bigger league myself — with 3-U/D a la the EPL.
@BP I expect WGS was indeed speaking from a personal East Coast perspective.
PS Would love to be a fly on the wall at the CG v Llambias encounter
There would certainly be an irony if a flesher Haugh (sp) chrysalis was crushed underfoot by an (ex)O!d F!rm stampede.
Mods your :poop: emoticon has gone viral
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1b_60gCQAAy6WH.jpg
TSFM says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Ecobhoy
I am disappointed that I had to remove your earlier post due to the insulting language you directed at other posters.
There was no madness attached to the story on TSFM. The subject was raised, as were some eyebrows, and then explanations were delivered. I believe that is what we are supposed to do – monitor events.
I certainly saw no crazies – and we lost no credibility in my view, or in the view of the mods.
And in truth, for all the boggling of minds, and although the explanations offered by BP and others seem plausible and highly likely, we have had no definitive explanation as yet.
Let the mods decide what is right and proper for the blog.
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I don’t think I have ever questioned the right of the mods to operate this blog as they see fit whether I agree or not.
I won’t this time either but obviously my post was designed to raise various issues which I thought were important and I believed affected the status of TSFM.
I have always as a poster actually tried to post within what I gathered were acceptable parameters set by the mods and obviously have failed to do on this occasion.
I would also observe that I didn’t identify any individuals in what you describe as my ‘insulting language’ and indeed that was never my intention. I was more concerned about trends that IMO have been taking place.
Smugas says:
November 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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There would certainly be an irony if a flesher Haugh (sp) chrysalis was crushed underfoot by an (ex)O!d F!rm stampede.
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Wouldn’t it just. Mind you, that Herald article about Rangers Retail referred to earlier might just raise enough eyebrows to encourage more support of the alternative merchandise initiative. Although throwing the profits into shares in RIFC just seems counter productive.
Regarding the (rare) post I made in the early hours today, I wasn’t suggesting that the LC semi final draw was pre-recorded, as some appear to have assumed here. It is accepted by me that the draw took place live at the scheduled time. Look back at what was posted.
My concern was that in advance some folk appeared to know the definite outcome of that live draw, and I wondered if any satisfactory explanation could be offered. I’ve since seen a video recording of the draw, and remain suspicious.
Did not see the LC draw and do not purchase any papers ,can anyone advise who was in attendance and who was the wearer of the heat seeking glove this time.
Thanks
scapaflow says:
November 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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Mods your :poop: emoticon has gone viral
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1b_60gCQAAy6WH.jpg
…does this mean that TSFM cannot delete it from the list of emoticons…?
…poo poo Barney McGroo….
..coat and hat on already…underneath the tin hat! 😆 😆 😆
Martin says:
November 2, 2014 at 11:45 am
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If WGS is openly suggesting that we have to manipulate the game then it is surely time to throw in the towel and stop referring to it as sport.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9546153/strachan-league-needs-rangers?
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Much as I admire WGS
I have to say his comments completely ignores the violence and hooliganism he himself witnessed at many Rangers and Celtic games It also ignores the violent treatment dished out to his successor Neil Lennon by those who objected to his origins
Football personalities are expected to comment on the TRFC v CFC draw. Given the liquidation of Rangers it is only natural that a successor playing their first match against Celtic is a newsworthy story
But is it asking too much for these guys to plead for peace on and off the field?
Indeed
Has anyone in the media broken ranks and called for peace?
Or have they been salivating just as much for the hatred off the park?
Does that sell more papers?
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Goosy,
Purely in the interests of balance I’m fairly sure WGS remembers the ground that the pitch invader made a beeline for him too. Still doesn’t give him completely free reign to comment without responsibility though.
For the second time today I have to issue an apology. The post I referred to earlier from peter22 turned out to be a genuine first time poster injecting some humour. I apologise to peter22 and hope we hear from him soon 🙂
Think lurking is best for me anyway 👿
TSFM
try these guys
Whyte Enterprises
Chancer Street
Monaco
Apparently they’re experts in the field. 😈
borussiabeefburg says:
November 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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I’ve never been one to dismiss conspiracy theories within Scottish football. In fact, I’ve wondered about them my whole life so I can’t come on here and tell you you’re talking nonsense.
So let’s discuss why there would be the need to ensure Celtic played The Rangers at this stage? Is it a need for the authorities to ‘legitimise’ the fixture again? There is a very real chance The Rangers, and indeed Celtic, would not have beaten Aberdeen or Dundee Utd so playing each other in the final couldn’t be guaranteed. I’m struggling to see what benefit there is to ensure they play now.
Personally I am pig sick Celtic have to play them at all.
TSFM says:
November 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm
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We are looking to purchase a device which can record incoming telephone calls – either POTS or mobile – with a sufficient degree of fidelity to include the conversations in our podcasts.
We did purchase a small device which purported to do just that, but it is very noisy and proved to be a waste of money.
Any advice would be gratefully received. Contact us at podcast@tsfm.scot
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