John Clark Meets “The SFA”

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ThomTheThim 16th February 2016 at 12:06 pm   The thing is your …

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ThomTheThim 16th February 2016 at 12:06 pm
 
The thing is your club is well represented in the SFA/SPFL and is part of the decision making process on all the important issues so would surely play their own part in that incompetence and corruption?

They’re the wealthiest club in the country. Have the largest stadium with possibly the highest average attendance and can afford to buy any of their rivals players, win more trophies than most clubs and continue to be favourites for every domestic competition.

And yet many Celtic fans still think the authorities/media/referees/society has it in for them…. and plenty of Rangers fans think likewise about their club too. Can they both be right?

The ‘old firm’ have dominated Scottish football for years and wanted/want it to benefit them to the detriment of all others. Scottish football is promoted on the back of this. A Pan-European league would be a different prospect altogether.

Let’s assume Celtic and Rangers would be included in an Atlantic league. They’d have no more influence on matters than Ajax, PSV, Benfica, Porto, Anderlecht and I can’t see them liking that.

I think the novelty would soon evaporate for the clubs and supporters if they were not winning as much as they’re used to and with those clubs mentioned, amongst others, who’s to say they should.

What of the other Scottish clubs? Would Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Utd be invited into any Atlantic League and if so what would the Scottish domestic scene look like? How would that affect the Scottish national team? Can’t see much benefit there.

Strong domestic national leagues with qualification for European competition, even if that’s split into its own sections, with equal and fair access for all clubs and more equitable financial distribution that’s not rigged to enrich the already wealthy clubs. That’s what I’d like to see. Never. Going. To. Happen.        

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John Clark Meets “The SFA”
Ah, the Atlantic League. I’m not surprised this could be back on the agenda. If it ever was. I’m uncomfortable with the idea of clubs leaving their domestic leagues to form a European ‘super’ league and have a sinking feeling something is about to be broken beyond repair in the pursuit of imagined millions. 


John Clark Meets “The SFA”
tamjartmarquez 15th February 2016 at 8:56 pm
 
Sadly I think it’s inevitable the CL will be revamped in order to benefit the usual suspects from the big 5 leagues. These clubs are already the biggest and wealthiest yet they still want more money. All of it, preferably.
 
I think this is in response to the massive new TV deal in England, £8b once overseas rights are included, and the other clubs in Europe are trying to find ways of competing with this. Some Dutch and Portuguese clubs, maybe Celtic, might get tossed a bone but every other team not part of this cabal will not be invited.
 
What will definitely speed up the process is if England loses a CL spot, which is possible if the Italian clubs perform well in the near future.
 
Agents get richer, advertisers get more exposure, clubs make more money and players get wealthier. The fans? We get to pay extortionate ticket prices, never mind the cost of refreshments, programmes, travel or strips. If we don’t want to do any of that we’re then pushed in the direction of subscription TV and the whole thing starts again.    


John Clark Meets “The SFA”
RyanGosling 5th February 2016 at 11:44 pm
 
Resident bear? Suppose I am in a way but have been in hibernation for a good few years. A few things have happened recently that have got me thinking I’d like to go back to Ibrox. Maybe I will.
 
My view on the OC/NC debate that Cuddlybear is currently engaged in is that they play at Ibrox, in a blue strip, are called Rangers but are only a few years old. And everyone should be fine with that. They are the same but different and it really in no big deal.   
 
That should provide an excellent opportunity to do things in a better way. To create a new history, one that has a link to the past, but remains separate. I have my doubts if that will be allowed to happen but live in hope.         
 


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DARKBEFOREDAWN, again a very sensible post and a good read. I don’t think looking abroad for examples is particularly informative. Different countries will have their own set of rules and it’s probably not a one size fits all situation.

Why not keep it in Scotland and use Airdrionians as an example? They may have got their name back but they were founded in 2002 as Airdrie Utd after the original club went into liquidation. 


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DARKBEFOREDAWN, that’s a good post. What I would say is that this Rangers are the same but different. They are a result of the old one being liquidated. An emotional connection is obvious but surely there can be no claim to any titles previously won by the old club? 

As for the EBTs was it not the incorrect use of them that was the problem? It’s the side letters, not regestering payments with the SFA, not supplying information and lying to authorities that is the issue.

An emotional response is understandable and when all is said and done it’s only a football club. I sat in the rear of the Govan stand for years with my family. For me this is the second version of the club and I don’t think that’s a big deal. They still play at Ibrox, play in blue strips….


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I personally haven’t read anything that has made me think anyone should be removed from this site. From what I’ve read, the debate has been pretty civilised. I really dont see a problem. I think sometimes the terms ‘troll’ and ‘squirrel’ can be misused to shut down conversations. 

No one has to read every post and if anyone wants to raise other issues for discussion then they are free to do so. I’m sure the Mods will step in if they feel things are getting out of hand. 

The discussions this last week or so have improved my understanding of certain issues and I think that’s a really positive thing. 

I read, and occasionally post, on SFM because I’m broadly in agreement with what is discussed on here. We shouldn’t exist in a self-congratulatory bubble or be unwelcoming to posters who have a different take on things. 


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Specifically who has this vice like grip on the football authorities and media? It seems everybody, whichever team they support, is unhappy with the authorities and media. Reading, listening and interpreting the exact same things but coming to completely different conclusions. 

On on that note, whilst I don’t agree with our new poster, I have enjoyed reading his posts and the responses from the more clued up on here. 

As for JJ, it seems to me he is just offering his readers an updated version of succulent lamb. Let’s call it cyber lamb. I think he knows his audience well and has no problem playing to it. 

I think everyone has been poorly served and continues to be poorly served by the SMSM. Is that because of an agenda, finances, a lack of journalistic talent or just the media doing what the media do? Take your pick, I guess. 


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Nice picture at the top from Nightmare Alley. I do like a good Film Noir. For the purists these are low budget affairs with no major stars (Rangers) that may or may not involve a death (Rangers, again), a double cross (Greene/Whyte), a private detective, also known as a ‘dick’, trying to work out what the hell is going on but is hopelessly behind the curve and manipulated by others (Keith Jackson), a collection of chancers, charlatans and criminals (Rangers boardroom) and with a narrative and worldview that’s undeniably pessimistic (armageddon). Have we been watching one these past few years?

In the 1940s when loads of these classic movies were made the term Film Noir wasn’t around in Hollywood. It was coined by a French critic who noticed the similarities within these movies and the term stuck. Some argue that Film Noir is not a genre but a state of mind. What’s the state of mind of many in the Rangers saga? Cognitive dissonance?

So Film Noir is seen as an accurate and widely used description these days. Seems like the opposite is true of the Old Firm.       


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