Journey’s End?


UPTHEHOOPSMAY 8, 2016 at 07:0 As for Keith Jackson declaring Rangers …

Comment on Journey’s End? by wottpi.

UPTHEHOOPSMAY 8, 2016 at 07:0
As for Keith Jackson declaring Rangers signing an out of contract and injury plagued Liverpool teenager would be ‘a major coup’, where does one start!

There, sorted that for you 🙂

Hopefully the young boy can recover from his recent injuries to have a good solid career but there seems to be an ongoing problem with his hamstrings.
Liverpool blamed the first one on him playing too may games. Not really looking that good if he is needed to put in a fair number of shifts when a small tight squad is Wabrs preference. Even if used in the Academy, they got shot of six lads last week so numbers there could be thin as well. 

Anyway I note the DR got a full House in T’Rangers Bingo in their ‘The next Steven Gerrard’ article
Associate T’Rangers with an EPL club.
Associate potential signing with possibility of ELP teams and a Euro club being interested in signing.
Mention it all has to do with McParlands connections.
Inflate the lads worth to £8m when the transfermarket website has him listed at £563k
Mention the lad played in the Next Gen series founded by Warbs.

Jordan Rossiter joins Liverpool’s lengthy injury list after England blow

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FINLOCHMAY 5, 2016 at 11:39

Alex Salmond’s interest in helping Rangers was understandable and political for a bunch of reasons.

There is of course a distinct difference in actually helping and being seen to help and also with regard to what areas you can actually influence.
Spoken words are different from the actions taken.
However the political gains in terms of how the public may perceive your willingness to get involved in a matter can be the same.
Here is what Salmond said to the BBC

In the last few weeks I contacted both Rangers and HMRC, whose record in court is not particularly good at the present moment and I said once this Tribunal which is adjudicating on what genuinely owed – once that Inland Revenue Tribunal sets a sum – can’t that not be agreed as the sum that has to be paid and a time scale agreed to allow the club to pay it without going out of business.
“Now that seems to me an entirely reasonable proposition that would allow the Inland Revenue to get what they are due and allow Rangers to pay their obligations but continue as a vibrant part, not just of Scottish football, but of Scottish culture. I still think that is the best way forward.

To me that reads as -I understand the position of both parties, Rangers are in difficulty but taxes are clearly due, get a sum agreed and have the club pay up – one way or another. The implication is that if such an agreement is not forthcoming then the club would go out of business. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

The contentious part is whether or not you agree with Rangers being a vibrant part of Scottish Football and Culture and how you interpret the apparent barbed comment with regard to the success of HMRC in the courts.

As Homunculus says Tax matters were not devolved so Salmond could have easily kept his mouth shut.

However similar to the current issue of Ministry of Defence ship building contracts for the Clyde are we saying that our MSP’s should be more than happy to sit quietly and not try and get solutions for local businesses and employees just because defence contracts are a devolved matter? How would that look to the local electorate?

SNP MSP’s would lap it up if they had official correspondence from the MoD telling them to mind their own business with regard to ship building on the Clyde

Therefore I doubt whether both Scottish and UK Governments would couch requests and provide replies on such matters in terms that could be used publicly against each other. Subtle and meaningless Civil Service speak will be used so as not to offend anyone or given one party an advantage.

Like Scottc says most likely much ado about nothing.

Journey’s End?
UPTHEHOOPSMAY 4, 2016 at 19:13
I heed Big Pink’s warning but I see nothing wrong pointing out the hypocrisy of believing one club gains from ‘behind the scenes’ political influence, while another club with a high profile politician at the helm will not seek any advantage from such an appointment, regardless of how honest, open and public it is.

What exactly does someone the likes of John Reid bring to the football party, if not his connections.

It is of course not all rosy when it comes to having politicians involved. My own club had the buffoon Foukes as chairman and look where that got us!!
Similarly I always recall Edinburgh Councillor and Lord Provost Eric Milligan was always being  accused by Hibbies of the potential for positively influencing planning applications and the likes connected to Hearts because he was a known Jambo. The opposite being he would be able to bin anything that was going on re Easter Road.

The fact is that most politicians will seek to portray themselves in a good light with football clubs which they see as being at the heart of a community.
What they do exactly and how much involvement they have will depend on the individual and the issues involved. 

Tax dodging is however one issue that any savvy politician would steer well clear of and I for one find it hard to believe that Alex Salmond would be plotting behind the scenes and going out of his way to prop up the Scottish sporting face of the Union that he has fought to dismantle all his political life.

Journey’s End?
UPTHEHOOPSMAY 4, 2016 at 07:25

I get your frustration and in now way would I associate Celtic with the type of financial shenanigans that went on at Ibrox but the facts don’t lie.

Over decades the ‘Old Firm’ brand was happily used and exploited by both clubs for their own gain and, in the opinion of fans of other clubs, at the expense of the rest of Scottish Football. Hand in glove both clubs have expressed a desire to leave Scottish Football to further their own ambitions.

The success of both teams on the park cannot be argued with in terms of their dominance of the Scottish game, especially since the formation of the SPL.

While many a Hoops fan like yourself, joined again by fans of all other clubs, hoped the connection would have been clearly broken and a distance put between the two clubs when the newco was formed, the fear is that it may not be the case.

Yes Celtic have gone and brokered their own sponsorship deals etc and that is to be welcomed as the way forward but the Old Firm agenda is back.

It can be argued that this is mostly being stoked up by a ‘T’Rangers loving media’ but you must see how Celtic’s silence can quite easily be read by others, possibly wrongly,  as an quiet acceptance that ‘normal service is being resumed in the Parkhead boardroom and the GFA.

I can understand why the Celtic board don’t want to rock the boat but you must see why others can’t see a reason for why they would want to quietly play along with the charade.

I suspect both ‘cheeks’ see something to be gained next season by time both being in the top division.

As for your comment re the club from Govan receiving support from high level politicians, I can’t recall that club ever having an ex Cabinet Minister as their Chairman. Ex Secretary of Defence and Home Secretary, political influence doesn’t get much higher than that unless the Prime Minister is an avowed Raith Rovers fan!!

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Agree, if people aren't happy with six goals in a cup final encounter that went to extra time and a nerve wracking penalty shoot out then what is it that floats their boat?

Thinking back, by the end of it I had forgotten there was no crowd in Hampden and was wholly absorbed unlike some games I've watched in these strange times.

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