Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?

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EasyJambo on September 7, 2012 at 15:57  5 0 Rate This Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug Dual contracts …

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easyJambo on September 7, 2012 at 15:57
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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug
Dual contracts hearing will kickstart next week. Procedural hearing on Tuesday and Wednesday. No evidence to be heard yet. #Rangers
Some movement at last

Got excited and even considered that the FTT might have ruled.
Then I saw who tweeted it.
So I will wait for a second confirmation.

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Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?
The Grant Russell tweets

@STVGrant: @EdgarBlamm @StMiley @hen1rik It is a new company. So they aren’t responsible for the debt of the old company.

@STVGrant: @StMiley @hen1rik My stance hasn’t changed at all. My opinion club would continue if SFA membership transferred. It was.

Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?
Grant Russell of STV tweeting that TRFC are a new company so not liable for the oldco debts. However as the membership was transfered, then the club is the same club.

Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?
Grant Russell of STV now saying all electronic transfer done before 12 and issues with the computer were at the SFL end and not SFA. So why was this not mentioned before and why the concern about having Templeton registered on time, if according to his tweet this was already made earlier in the night.

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Make our Mind Up Time
SUNSPORT has seen documentary evidence that Hampden bosses asked Rangers to accept the loss of FIVE league titles and FOUR Scottish Cups.
The draft papers were given to Gers chief executive Charles Green at a top-secret summit this summer.

Top brass wanted Green to accept “EBT sanctions” in return for newco Gers getting the chance to be parachuted into Division One.

The package of punishments — instantly REJECTED by Green — would have stripped Gers of NINE major trophies won between 2001 and 2011.

They were NOT asked to give up any of their League Cup wins. Details of the offer, made during discussions involving Green, the SPL, SFA, SFL and administrators Duff and Phelps, emerged last night.

Had Green accepted the EBT sanctions, he’d have agreed to “(i) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of Champion Club (as defined in SPL Rules) of the Scottish Premier League for each and all of Seasons 2002/03, 2004/05, 2008/09, 2009/10 and 2010/11; (ii) the withdrawal from Rangers FC, RFC and Sevco of the award and status of winner of the Scottish Cup for each and all of Seasons 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08 and 2008/09”.

Among a list of “Agreements and Undertakings” which Green was asked to accept were: “(i) accept and agree to be bound by each and all of the EBT Sanctions; (ii) the SFA and the SPL agree that no further sanctions will be imposed with respect to or concerning the EBT Payments and Arrangements; and (iii) RFC and Sevco shall not directly or indirectly make any claim and/or representation to have won any of the Championships and/or Cups which are the subject of any and all of the EBT Sanctions”.

It’s understood Green rejected the offer of EBT sanctions as Gers have still to be found guilty of any misuse of the Trusts. An independent commission appointed by the SPL will begin a hearing on November 13 regarding the alleged undisclosed payments.

HMRC is expected to announce the findings of its first-tier tribunal hearing on the EBTs within weeks.

Gers have already refused to co-operate with the former hearing.

And Green is facing an SFA charge of bringing the game into disrepute after claiming the process was “fundamentally misconceived”.

The leaked papers appear to add weight to Green’s assertion that a range of penalties have been considered before any guilt is proved.

SunSport has also seen an exchange of correspondence between HMRC and the SPL dating back to October and November 2010. Yet there was no official Hampden probe into Gers’ use of Trusts until earlier this year.

But with Green having already threatened to take his case to law, the emergence of the secret documents shows stripping of titles has been on the Hampden agenda since the close-season.

Earlier this month, Green said: “The club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process we believe is fundamentally misconceived.”

Make our Mind Up Time
IMO there is no final draft of the agreement.
Would Charles not have said “The agreement”?
He distinctly says “The draft agreement”.

Now either that, or the only things in the final agreement are the transfer embargo and the payment of football debts.

Make our Mind Up Time
oldrab says:

September 19, 2012 at 23:21

The SFA……
They added: “Now that the club’s status has been confirmed by the SPL and SFL, we will consider the award of transfer once Rangers FC satisfy the necessary criteria.”
Interesting that comment, as they granted full membership without any of the conditions in the draft agreement being met or even agreed.
So what has changed in the final version that allowed Sevco to get full membership?
However we will never know, as I posted previously, everything to do with Sevco is to be kept totally confidential.
Could it be that there is no final agreement and that we have been lied to again by the SFA?
Is this the reason for the newly created conditional membership. Was it more important that they play the Ramsdens cup tie than have any agreement finalised?

Is anyone aware of this level of secrecy from the SFA ever happening in the past?
Can the SFA legally be allowed to make an agreement with an organisation, that was not even a football club at that time and that that decision affects every football club and every football supporter, and then decide that no one should ever know what that agreement is?
Apologies for another rant.

Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?
Surely this is taking things to far?

@bellacaledonia: The BNP in town: http://t.co/FHqOn962

Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?
From twitter

@ShaunGibson1888: The Rangers in deep trouble again http://t.co/GuR3EiEr via @ShaunGibson1888 – The word from contractors who work for Charles Green.

Word from inside Ibrox today is that they are £600,000 in Debt. This is Charles Greens new-company. Rules for brand new clubs are, you MUST stick to strict financial paths, and any debt incurred in 1st season as a brand new side can see you throw out. I wonder if the SFA will come in and help, as there is no way the SFL will help “The Rangers Football Club” get through its maiden season as a club.

I know several people who do contract work for TRFC and the word is 4 or 5 companies are due out £600,000 and lawyers letters have been sent out and court cases almost arranged. If true, and if “big if” the SPL hammer TRFC with EBT penalties, could see The Rangers thrown out of football in its 1st season of existence.

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