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It really is laughable that the Sevco lemmings mobilised themselves to prevent the serialisation of a book that seeks to lift the lid on the death of their old club and those who caused it, but yet did SFA to prevent those very events from transpiring.
Well done chaps, still playing a blinder.
This U-turn by The Sun is extremely serious.
At least two assualts on the manager of a football team. Followed by letter bombs to the same man, a QC and an MSP. The court accepts that it was a ‘bit of banter’ brought about by the perpetrators viewing an episode of the A-team.
The same manager is then assaulted on Live television at Tynecastle. The incident is witnessed by everyone in the country, but the court ignores the evidence.
Craig Whyte is allowed his choice of administrators, against the will of HMRC.
The First Minister, who described a large group of violent people as “the fabric of Scottish society”, has secret meetings with HMRC and refuses to make public what was said.
Walter Smith, for no apparent reason, disappears off the map.
Bomber Brown, after making his mouth go, also disappears without trace.
Mark Daly exposes the goings on at Ibrox – then silence.
Alex Thompson – not a peep out of him recently.
And all the time, the SFA and SPL throw the rules down the toilet, as every meaningful investigation into all of this is delayed and further delayed.
Now, something or someone has caused a national rag to back off the story, big time. Sorry folks, but this has got feck all to do with ‘sales’ or a few threatening emails from phuds.
I am sure Phil is presently working on his response to this and I can only hope that Alex Thompson will respond publicly.
For the moment, let no one be in any doubt, Scotland is corrupt to the core and extreme inimidation at a very high level is now obvious.
Remember, Alex Salmond who called a summit over a football match, has witnessed far worse since, and done nothing.
I seem to recall Collina retired shortly after a catastrophic mistake in denying Everton a legitimate late equaliser away to Villareal that would have led them to qualifing for the Champions League group stages. The ramifications of that decision are still hanging over Everton. How different would their and David Moyes’ history be had it not happened. If only other referees had that kind of integrity.
bestdressedchicken says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:26
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It is rich with irony.
How dare anyone tell them exactly what happened to their club. That could only be perceived as a vicious attack and must be stopped.
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:32
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You forgot the Justice Minister and Assistant Cheif Constable Corrigan describing how wonderful the fans had been at a recent league cup final. After 90 minutes of sectarian singing.
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:32
“….Now, something or someone has caused a national rag to back off the story, big time. Sorry folks, but this has got feck all to do with ‘sales’ or a few threatening emails from phuds…”
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I believe you are right.
Not for nothing are the influences in the background known as the FOD.
The Sun’s statement is straight from the mouth of the father of lies, every syllable of it, in an attempt to cover its craven submission to threat , not by the mindless morons, but by ‘respectable’ serpents slithering in the corridors of political and economic power.
It is an appalling state of affairs.
Every so often i get a wee bit down with all the crap that is spoken and written,heads against a brick wall syndrome overtakes me.Then I remember Sevco’s real position,Rangers death and i cheer up a bit.But what really cheers me up is, Explaining Debt to a H^n on you tube,if you are a wee bit down i would recommend watching.If you cant laugh at it,you are already to far gone.Even if you have seen it before watch it again,some of it is still very pertinent.
Stab in the dark here …. Suppose all those in a position to do the right thing (sfa spl sfl msm politicos etc) … But won’t do the right thing …. Won’t because sometime during their career building they were entertained in a more succulent way by chiefs of rfc …. And maybe just maybe there exists proof of this …. Careering destroying proof …. As I can’t see it being down to the brotherhoods …. As all cliques of that elk … And I do mean “ALL” are very very much on the decline ! …. To me at least there just has to be more than a good grip holding this fairytale together …. And I’m sure there are a few bro’s on here ainct tarred with sectarianism .. just a thought
The Iceman says:
September 1, 2012 at 22:16
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Lawwell and Celtic’s silence will in time come to be seen as the single greatest error in the club’s history.
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It seems to me , reading this blog , that the MSM in Glasgow are completely under the control of Rangers (both old &new) and apparently CFC don’t have a single source in the Glasgow/Scottish media they can turn to to get their point across. In the meantime , CFCs fans (and it is , predominantly) turn cartwheels in frustration at the way Rangers (old /new) are allowed to carry on.
Peter Lawell is , according to this board, acting in CFCs best interests (and of their fanbase) in so doing.
Really ?
As I posted on RTC , if CFC aren’t going to speak out why would anyone else do so ? Why SHOULD the BBC get involved in a football issue – why don’t CFC ?
It was Celtic who were cheated the most and consequently suffered the most.
Change/progress/punishments will ONLY come from CFC speaking out. Everything else is wishful thinking IMO.
Was the league cup draw seeded, 4 SPL at home, 4 SPL away, none drawn against each other?
Celtic v Raith Rovers
Rangers v Motherwell
St Mirren v Hamilton Academical
Queen of the South v Dundee United
Hearts v Livingston
Dunfermline Athletic v Aberdeen
St Johnstone v Queen’s Park
Stenhousemuir v Inverness CT
You know, I was totally green regarding Phil Mac Giolla Bhain – that was, until I listened to a podcast on The Away End http://www.theawayend.net/ about social-historic aspects of the Old Firm. A snoozathon for non-Glaswegians no doubt, but I was actually deeply impressed by the guy being interviewed – and it turned out to be him. I found him objective and rather insightful on the subject. But I still know very little about him apart a few paragraphs of background, so in other words, nothing.
Living abroad and being severely out of the loop on certain matters sometimes gives you a chance to listen to things at face value. It helps me do as ma auld maw said, ‘Always take people as you find them.’ Now I’m probably the type who feels the Glasgow preoccupation with all things Irish history borders on the obsessive. It’s only second to religion as a no-no in the football context for me. But the fact that that newspaper has now ‘branded him’ in the way it has only makes me more curious to hear more of what he has to say.
I’ve just checked, and after a search of The Away End archives, found two more podcasts featuring the man. Here are links to three podcasts he features in. I believe they all relate in some way to the specific subject that started this blog and RTC. I’ll listen and make up my own mind Mr Sun person, thank you. Here’s the links if anyone else, like me, is catching up:
Salmond is despicable. His fingers I think are all over a lot of the SFA utterances and his good offices are certainly allowing the whole thing to be delayed sufficiently to allow New @Gers time to be embedded in the system. Like no other club, SEVCO have been given specific guarantees and agreements on the TV deal.
I’m sure Turnbull Hutton will be made more than welcome at Celtic Park….
tearsofjoy says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:19
‘.Peter Lawell is , according to this board, acting in CFCs best interests (and of their fanbase) in so doing.
Really ?..’
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Thought we had flogged this to death! There seems to be an element of trolling agent-provocateur-ship in raising it again. Read the answers previously given.
And as to your question as to why the BBC should get involved in a ‘football story’, I have to say, as politely as I can, you must be the only one on the planet who thinks this is a ‘football’
story.
It is a story of political and institutional corruption, and of denial of that corruption by elements within a public body funded by me and every other licence-payer. That’s why the BBC should be seriously getting in among it, and not backing off.
So let’s have no more of the juvenile nonsense, please.
Sorry, these direct links are easier if you’re a bit lost in the archives:
Salmond is despicable. His fingers I think are all over a lot of the SFA utterances and his good offices are certainly allowing the whole thing to be delayed sufficiently to allow New @Gers time to be embedded in the system. Like no other club, SEVCO have been given specific guarantees and agreements on the TV deal.
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Iceman,Do you have any info? Hope so,because I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights,and no rights to any TV money.Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know ?.
I have not read the article in the SUN nor do I intend to….but I would imagine any details surrounding the published comments…accusations etc as has been suggested on here…would lead me to think he may very well have legal redress against the paper and or individuals in this instance…
Now that would be interesting
Tic 6709 says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:07
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I would no sooner trust Salmond to run a bath never mind a country….
It would not surprise me in the slightest if we were to find out that he has actively intervened to a level that does not involve a paper trail…
Tic 6709 says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:07
‘….I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights,and no rights to any TV money.Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know ?’
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I think PMcConville covered these aspects on his blog at the time Sevco were admitted to Associate membership. I haven’t got the link, I’m afraid.
Danish Pastry says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:57
I note you last link appears to be to Episode 63 of the Away End.
The participants appear to have included :-
“Special episode this week, with THE SUN’S Paul Hughes, Scots-Irish journalist Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, and the NEWS OF THE WORLD’S Alan Rowan all featured on the podcast.
We also speak to Hearts fans to get their reaction to Jim Jefferies’ sacking, look at the Scotland squad, and discuss David Goodwillie’s future.
Not listended to the podcast but two thenNews International Journo’s appeared to be happy to be included on the same billing as this disreputable character.
Did they actually converse with Phil Mac Giolla Bhain?
Did they not check out who else was participating and get agreement from their bosses to appear given they were representing their papers.?
Rowan was with the Daily Record for 18 years and when he left he was Sports Editor, now appears to be semi retired. Therefore he surely knows the score.
Dec 2008
“Record’s sports editor leaves in Glasgow cull
Alan Rowan, the sports editor at the Trinity Mirror-owned Daily Record in Glasgow is among 13 staff at the Scottish tabloid and the Sunday Mail to have their applications for voluntary redundancy accepted.
Eight of the 13 to leave the titles, by the end of February, are from editorial. The other five are from IT, advertising and operations.”
Paul Hughes is still writing for the Sun and has doen for a number of years. Again he knows the score.
As I said earlier leave the sectarianism out of it but once again questions have to be asked of the motives of the MSM and the Sun in particular in relation to a footballing story realting to T’Rangers.
paulmac says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:24
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I would no sooner trust Salmond to run a bath never mind a country….
It would not surprise me in the slightest if we were to find out that he has actively intervened to a level that does not involve a paper trail…
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I think not leaving a paper trail would be difficult and Salmond is surely savvy enough not to think news of an actual meeting would not leak out.
If he did have discussions with senior officials of HMRC there should be a meeting/telephone note. If not the civil servant will have some difficult questions to answer.
tearsofjoy says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:19
As I posted on RTC , if CFC aren’t going to speak out why would anyone else do so ? Why SHOULD the BBC get involved in a football issue – why don’t CFC ?
It was Celtic who were cheated the most and consequently suffered the most.
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Why should the BBC get involved? They didn’t lose out due to RFC (extinct) cheating therefore they shouldn’t get involved. What version of media behaviour are you describing here? If a newspaper or broadcaster isn’t affected by the issue concerned then they have an excuse not to investigate?
We’ve dealt with some breathtaking instances on here of partiality by journalists, of poor standards and of outright bias and this morning in the ever contemptible Sun we have possible collusion in censorship. But you’re suggetsing a press system that can legitimately avoid issues if they aren’t affected by them?
What does that leave the papers and broadcasters to fill the print pages or airwaves with?
Of today’s stories, only News Internationals very own version of the RFC affair – phone hacking – which affected every other press outlet, would merit coverage or investigation. The other stories, which didn’t affect press or broadcast organisations can be safely ignored.
Our media is bad but it isn’t that bad yet.
An interesting point regarding the “history”, spiritual or otherwise, of TRFC – this is from a post on RM …
“I don’t see this being an issue until Rangers win their next trophy and leading pundits/officials are forced to talk about the updated honours list.”
He’s right. That *will* be interesting.
Tic 6709 says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:07
Iceman, do you have any info? Hope so, because I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights, and no rights to any TV money. Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know?
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Tic – As it stood you are correct. But they changed horses – from Ogilvie HQ, Mount Florida – 27 July;
“- The Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League have reached agreement on the purchase of a package of broadcasting rights which will allow the former to include The Rangers FC matches in contracts with broadcast partners.”
“Neil Doncaster, Chief Executive of the SPL: “We are pleased to have reached an agreement with the parties concerned. Discussions will now continue with our broadcast partners and we expect to be in a position to make a further announcement next week on broadcasting rights and the on-going EBT investigation.”
Haven’t found anything on the SPL website – no idea on value of “package” – or how it`s split
john clarke says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:52
JC
That’s all getting a bit condescending isn’t it?
There appears to be two camps among Celtic supporters. The PL ‘dignified silence’ camp and those of us that are not so convinced. It doesn’t make us guilty of ‘trolling agent-provocateur-ship’. We are all entitled to express our opinions on here and just because you and others happen to disagree doesn’t make it ‘juvenile nonsense’. I stopped posting yesterday because I detected a bit of a dismissive attitude towards me and thought what’s the point.
The only reasoning I have consistently read justifying Celtic’s silence is that of the carnage in the streets variety. If that is truly the case what a sad indictment of ‘the best wee country in the world’. The threat of violence overrides free speech – really? As I have said previously I just hope that a golden opportunity has not already been lost. I have supported Celtic for most of my life (50 next St Patrick’s day); it doesn’t mean that I blindly agree with everything they have done, past or future. Just for the record, no one will be happier than me if PL really is ‘playing a blinder’.
Thanks for info and corrections lads.It just get’s worse. I am still waiting for word from HMRC in regard to the conversations between them and Salmond,maybe they will sneak a reply if they are p^ssed off about his interfering.We can but hope.
Thanks John,Paul,twopandas.
It is certainly not juvenile nonsense to criticise Celtic’s silence.
No-one is accusing Celtic of behaving improperly in their own conduct. No-one is accusing Lawwell of not being an effective CEO of Celtic shifting their financial model whilst maintaining stability in difficult times with considerable skill and acuity – he deserves great praise for these achievements. In many ways Celtic, as regards their own governace and finances, is a model club. .
We are exploring a situation where the rules of the SFA have been ripped apart where it appears that investigations by courts and certainly by HMRC as well as footballing investigations are being deliberately delayed and side tracked to allow a fait accompli in which a club which is dead is ressurected and placed at the centre of Scottish football in a privileged position despite decades of cheating presumably with the complicity of the SFA, and I suspect under very powerful pressure from political leaders. Even today we see a silencing of a voice of truth by a national newspaper.
And Celtic say nothing. And from where we all can see have done nothing, and have made no attempt to prevent the destruction of the fabric of the game.
I am a Celtic fan – have been since I can remember anything and was carried over turnstiles by my dad before I went to school. I love the Celtic and always will. I choose not to go anymore or subscribe to anything to do with Scottish Football because Celtic are an integral member of the SFA – and its most significant one, outwith the discredited dead club and its followers. If they stay silent, then no-one else can or will do anything to stop this.
I believe it is already too late – we needed a total boycott of all games by all fans at the beginning of this season until the SFA were forced to follow their own rules.
Silence implies consent; refusal to condemn those whose actions are wrong implies consent. Continuing to play football within the auspices of the SFA and raising no formal complaints either to FIFA or UEFA or the CAS when you have a clear and unchallengable case for damages against both dead club and the SFA implies more than consent – it implies defeat and acquiescence.
As far as I can see, they are getting away with theft and cheating and fraud, and the biggest casualty of these actions, in footballing and possibly financial terms, is Celtic. This monster will be even more emboldened and when it emerges as it will (in the present guise or if that folds in the one after or the one after that – they have created an unkillable monster which has no constraints placed upon it) , at the top level of the game then the injustices that Celtic has suffered under the last regime will be as nothing compared to what will come next.
This silence is and will be prove to be the greatest error in Celtic’s history. It has allowed the injustices that the club has suffered to be swept under the carpet. and has allowed the drawing of a a blueprint to ensure that systematic injustice against the club will remain, and will be increased in the years and decades ahead. The cancer at the core of the SFA has spread and grown and now envelops the entire game.
Celtic has a duty – at the very least – to oppose the cheating in the governing body with all of the power at its disposal – not just for the game, but for its own dignity, self-respect and self-interest.
Common Law or the law of the land is in place so that there is a common framework and set of rules that can be applied across civil society and its communities.
It can be argued, and the opinion can be held, by anyone who pleases, that the current Rangers is the same club as last season’s Rangers. However, to hold that opinion one has to ignore the law and various football rules. These have been listed a number of times on a number of threads and I wont repeat here.
One could argue that in some way – indeed ‘philosophically’ is apt since that kinda means ‘depending how you look at it’! – it is indeed the same club. But similarly another could argue the opposite, and that it is clearly not the same club. Situations like this arise all the time in society and its by reference to the law that its sorted.
Interesting article
Bullying and threatening tactics being employed yet again
I really do despise them, and all that they represent
The closing lines of the Sun editorial from this morning’s edition. The last words in the matter indeed…they wish.
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The Rangers story has gripped the entire nation and it is one we will continue to tell.
We will tell it truthfully, honestly and without fear or favour.
That is a promise to every football fan and to every one of our army of loyal readers.
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campsiejoe says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:40
Interesting article
Bullying and threatening tactics being employed yet again
I really do despise them, and all that they represent
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Seconded. Well Regan and Doncaster, now do you feckin’ understand?
As I said before, “an appeaser is someone who feeds the Crocodile
hoping that it will eat him last”.
That’s your feckin’ legacy,you pair of twats.
Scots have been at the forefront in the search for free speech, and liberty all over the World,but we cant have it in our own Country,thanks to b^goted,rac^st fasc^sts ,who have been given free rein by the Politicians and media.
The Sun had another option, they could have told the truth and written about the threats and strong arm tactics of the Rangers Tribute Act supporters. They could then have also written a strongly worded press release stating that they will not be intimidated and bullied by thugs and that they will keep a list of every single threat made which would be fully investigated by the police.
But then again cowardice is practically in the DNA of Scottish journalism.
The publication of Phil’s book will be a positive development – it will re-ignite the debate over the financial (miss)management of RFC and the ability of the SFA to regulate for the good of the game.
It will be interesting to see the wider public reaction to the book, and to developments that then arise from the (eventual) liquidation of RFC.
It will also be interesting to see how Sevco react to the book – will they say no comment, its nothing to do with us (we are a new club)? Or will they say nothing to see, move along?
The publication of Phil’s book will be a positive development – it will re-ignite the debate over the financial (miss)management of RFC and the ability of the SFA to regulate for the good of the game.
It will be interesting to see the wider public reaction to the book, and to developments that then arise from the (eventual) liquidation of RFC.
It will also be interesting to see how Sevco react to the book – will they say no comment, its nothing to do with us (we are a new club)? Or will they say nothing to see, move along?
Hopefully RTC’s book will then take the public debate on RFC, EBTs, MSM, SFA further forward.
I would imagine that the publication of both books will make uncomfortable reading for many. The geenie is well and truly out of the bottle – keep the faith.
LTL @ 17:39pm
Thank you 🙂
After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller, bringing the SFA/Servco scandal to a much wider audience. We have much to thank the Sun for, but for all the wrong reasons.
P.S. I urge all TSFM bloggers to go out and purchase this book
Question for AS FM…Can we now expect a timetable to be issued for the public book burnings.?
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:32
Craig Whyte is allowed his choice of administrators, against the will of HMRC.
Steady, Doon.
HMRC were asked in court if they had any objection to D&P being appointed administrators and they made it very clear they did not, and were simply happy for RFC to be in administration ASAP (whoever the admin company) rather than allow them the 2 weeks notice they had given before appointing D&P.
Re Phils book .
The hordes were warned in plenty of time to question Murray ,they chose to dismiss Phil as a Timmy with an agenda ,that turned out to be a GRAVE mistake on their part .
Now they have chosen to dismiss his book as a sectarian ranter with an agenda and I am sure CG will do plenty of bumping of his gums about this probably stating he will not stand for this guy attacking deid club fc and the hordes will rally round CG even more than before .
This will boost his share issue uptake and ensure the hordes don’t dig too deep into the small print .
This however could be an even GRAVER mistake on their part ,only time will tell
Night Terror
I wont clog up the blog with links but I’ve looked back and there are plenty newspaper articles claiming Craig Whyte “fought” HMRC for the right to appoint their own administrators. One of the reasons given was that Whyte had ‘previous’ with Duff and Duffers.
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September 3, 2012 at 17:45
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After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller, bringing the SFA/Servco scandal to a much wider audience. We have much to thank the Sun for, but for all the wrong reasons.
P.S. I urge all TSFM bloggers to go out and purchase this book
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Agreed – the controversy re the Sun’s action will bring more publicity to the book, and as for the intimidation of journalists, that will ensure a much wider audience within that community. Once again, Sevco and their “Army of Loyal” fans, by their own actions, will be adversely affected by this. Shame.
And yes, I’ll be buying the book !
STV sport announcer says Motherwell are the first SPL team to meet Rangers in their new form.
I wonder how many e-mails are currently being sent by TRFC supporters as I type.
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:06
I wont clog up the blog with links but I’ve looked back and there are plenty newspaper articles claiming Craig Whyte “fought” HMRC for the right to appoint their own administrators. One of the reasons given was that Whyte had ‘previous’ with Duff and Duffers.
Well I was clogging up a seat in the court of session when this discussion took place and I can assure you HMRC had no objection to D&P.
nowoldandgrumpy says @ 18.12:-
It’s worse than that! The announcer actually said ( I think!) that Motherwell are the first SFL team to meet Rangers in their new form!
Apologies if I misheard this.
Night Terror
Pity the reporter for the Daily Mail (I know, I know) didnt clog up one of the other seats in the court that day, as he reported:
“Rangers appointed their preferred administrator after a court petition was lodged by HMRC to have one appointed for them.”
How surprising that the first SPL team that TRFC meet, would happen to be a team whose manager wanted them kept in the SPL and has never tried a leg against them in all the time he as been in charge of Motherwell FC.
Hold on there Doon
The Mail quote is entirely accurate – Rangers did get their preferred administrator.
My point was to say “Craig Whyte is allowed his choice of administrators, against the will of HMRC.” is not wholly accurate, as it was made clear in court that HMRC were not objecting to D&P (indeed they had kind words to say about D&P) being the appointed administrator, rather they were anxious for any administrator to be appointed before the day was out, rather than allow Whyte the 2 weeks between his announcement of intention to appoint D&P as administrator and Rangers actually entering administration.
I expected some interesting argument about the merits of D&P as administrators and their prior relationship with Mr Whyte, and was disappointed that none was forthcoming from HMRC.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:12
STV sport announcer says Motherwell are the first SPL team to meet Rangers in their new form.
I wonder how many e-mails are currently being sent by TRFC supporters as I type.
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This will be their first opportunity to try the £14 programmes and £1 entry fee
Re STV memory lapse it’s worse than that .they even did a piece saying a Celtic player was happy with the draw although it meant he missed out on an old firm draw .
I did not bother clicking on the link as the header said enough .
Night Terror says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:20
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Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:06
I wont clog up the blog with links but I’ve looked back and there are plenty newspaper articles claiming Craig Whyte “fought” HMRC for the right to appoint their own administrators. One of the reasons given was that Whyte had ‘previous’ with Duff and Duffers.
Well I was clogging up a seat in the court of session when this discussion took place and I can assure you HMRC had no objection to D&P.
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My take on this…
CW, as holder of a floating charge, was legally entitled to appoint the administrators of RFC.
For HMRC to object to his choice, they would would have had to make very serious allegations against D&P that they would have found difficult to substantiate at the time.
The choice of administrator is much less important (in the long term) than the choice of liquidator. HMRC have got their preference in this key regard. Everything that the administrators have done can be scrutinised (and, where necessary, undone) by BDO.
Sevco may currently own Rangers assets and trademarks; but they should be asked to pay substantially more to keep them.
I fully expect Ticketus to hold CW’s floating charge by the time the liquidation process is complete. Ticketus will object to the previous asset sale as sold under-value and, assuming BDO agree, Sevco will “reluctantly” agree to honour that charge in return for keeping Rangers assets.
In reality, Sevco and Ticketus investors are almost certainly the same people, so have no real reason to object.
HMRC will get nothing – no matter what happens with BDO. All that matters, I think, is that they have created a precedent for collecting what they regard as outstanding tax due from the many historic EBT schemes run by EPL teams. They are, I think, playing the long game.
So, an article that aimed to satirise creatures full of knee jerk hatred has been used as an excuse to cancel serialisation following the Sun receiving a barrage of complaints from enlightened, learned, noble members of Scottish Society (oh no, more irony).
Senior says:
September 3, 2012 at 17:45
After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller
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Yes, his publisher should be able to use this as a marketing opportunity – I can see one of those wrappers around it with ‘The Book That was Too Hot for The Sun!’ on.
Interesting to note that Phil’s book sits at no 3 in the current Amazon football books charts.
More worrying however are the “comments” attached to it on the site are beginning to resemble RM in all it’s glory. These idiots may use the internet to acheive their aim that nothing derogatory may ever be written about RFC, and in that respect they put us to shame as they really are bampots.
And with a date for publication shown as 8/9/12 not one of them will have read a word of it.
All good things come to those who wait 🙂 and after reading the VB statement on RM it cant come quick enough
I went to my local Waterstones down here in Englandshire to order Phil’s book. ‘That’s odd’ says the guy, consulting his computer,’ it’s down here as being published on the 1st, but not being printed, never seen that before, I’ll order it and see what happens but I can’t guarantee anything.’ They normally take payment in full for orders but he didn’t from me because they’re unsure if it’ll arrive. Can I be the first to postulate a conspiracy theory? I’ll keep you updated with developments, someone else might like to try their own bookshop.
Night Terror and Hirsute
Thank you for your thoughts on the appointment of Administrators, Duff and Phelps.
I hope we haven’t detracted from today’s real news which is why a rag – which recently took a decision in the interests of FOI, to publish pictures of a Prince in the buff – suddenly decided that it is now against FOI after all.
Phil’s mistake was obviously that he didn’t have any titty pictures in his book.
Just read the Herald’s article to Mr Reidy134 and he says he’ll be buying Phil’s book. It’ll be interesting to see what he makes of it (he’s still sitting on the fence I think).
CrazyHorse says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:17
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‘We are all entitled to express our opinions on here and just because you and others happen to disagree doesn’t make it ‘juvenile nonsense’.
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You’re right, of course.
There were many good posts, yours among them, over the last day or two, putting forward reasonable, balanced points of view. I felt that we had all mutually agreed that there was scope for amicable disagreement, having talked the thing out.
And then someone comes in from the beginning again, without anything new to add!
But it was that poster’s comment about the BBC not having to get involved in a ‘football’ story that I considered juvenile, not his view on the ‘silence’.
(I see Iceman has come back to the subject. But he has an argued point of view.)
Thanks Campsiejoe for this link to The Guardian article on today’s decision by Rupert Murdoch’s rag to drop the book.
It is sobering that only the UK media: Channel4, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph(since Roddy went on leave) are brave enough to stand up to the threats. Come on BBC, you have twice been brave enough to expose the truth – don’t give up or give in now. Murray/Whyte/Green its the same story -please keep going.
On a seperat point, Steven Davis was quoted in The Metro today saying he has received abuse from Rangers(ia) fans for leaving them – despite them getting – and I quote Davis here “£800,000 from Southampton” for him. I trust Charles Green understands that every penny of ANY amount received from Southampton goes to the Duff & Phelps creditors pot – you do understand that don’t you Mr Green? you can’t spend that on £800,000 for Templeton? that would be illegal? you do get that don’t you Mr Green?
Yes, his publisher should be able to use this as a marketing opportunity – I can see one of those wrappers around it with ‘The Book That was Too Hot for The Sun!’ on.
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Good thinking Livia! Perhaps the Record will steal a march on its biggest rival and run with the book!
Then again I might step outside my house tomorrow morning and be crushed by a falling Yak that has just been dropped by a flock of flying pigs who are migrating north for the winter!
What dates should we be looking out for in the near future.And will there be any more punishments for sevco/rankers just wondering
Many months ago I posted some rants about the M*sons and what would happen to keep the beast alive. It is, has been happening, and will continue to happen.
I took a look while shopping at the back pages of several papers including the S*N and the Evening Times. You could be forgiven for thinking that there is only one team in Glasgow, absolute full page spreads about the dark side.
We have a mountain to climb to overcome the Establishment. Most people seem to have given up on UEFA/FIFA but I wonder if they have been fully appraised of just what is going on. Does anyone have any information or feedback from them?
Don’t give up Good always triumphs over Evil in the long run.
Re .scottish 4th tier franchise being drawn against SPL club who has a history of playing recently in champion’s and also UEFA cup qualifying legs ,strange but the odds from the bookmakers will favour 4th tier on the day,eh Mr McCall ,can you up your level to a Peterhead or a Brechin,your fans are watching ,good moneys on you might be after Sally’s job so you might just up the effort ,dont worry ,Sally is finding pals hard to come by,Just ask Watty & Bomber.
But one thing is a sure bet ,steptoe & son are not in this together for much longer ,the horse has been dead for too long and Sally can’t pull the cart for much longer .How comforting it must be to sit with Old Charlie of a night and listen to his stories of dark times down at the coal face and eat all the cream scones ,you must be Sally,why else are you putting on so much weight,or are the pie’s not selling or are you staying behind to help the catering staff clear away.
But seriously ,Sally ,how much more of this can you take ,your 2nd wife must now be asking after Saturdays comment ,is she a McCoist or a Dougal ,she demands to know,does her DNA require checking,god forbid ,we dont want to go too deep into DNA ,they say families fall out more than friends,think about this .
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I went to my local Waterstones down here in Englandshire to order Phil’s book. ‘That’s odd’ says the guy, consulting his computer,’ it’s down here as being published on the 1st, but not being printed, never seen that before, I’ll order it and see what happens but I can’t guarantee anything.’ They normally take payment in full for orders but he didn’t from me because they’re unsure if it’ll arrive. Can I be the first to postulate a conspiracy theory? I’ll keep you updated with developments, someone else might like to try their own bookshop.
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Ordered my copy on Amazon a week or two ago. Delivery date is for the middle of this month??
Not available on the kindle.
The Iceman says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:28
‘..Celtic has a duty – at the very least – to oppose the cheating in the governing body with all of the power at its disposal – not just for the game, but for its own dignity, self-respect and self-interest..’
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Realistically, what would you have Celtic do?
As said before, they are only one vote. The only constitutional means open to them are to seek support from at least ten other SFA clubs to requistion an EGM.
Even if they at this stage got such support, what would be their motion? Censure the CEO? Reverse the decision to award Associate membership to a new club?
The first motion might conceivably be passed. The second??? !!!
Unconstitutional means? Perhaps an article or statement publicly accusing the SFA officers/board of facilitating and colluding in the cheating and skulduggery of the rogue club? A call for Sevco/Rangers to be expelled?
Without chapter and verse of evidence, they would be crucified by the MSM ( and libel suits would be filed)
There is a long way to go in this saga.
The results of a whole number of separate investigations are still to come in. It is at that stage, when facts have been established, that Celtic can properly raise their voice and insist on being listened to.
In the meantime, absolutely the right thing to do in principle, and the sensible thing in point of reality, is to sing dumb while watching and listening like a hawk to every utterance made, and every action undertaken, by the SFA Board to add to the record that is no doubt being carefully maintained.( Celtic have been here before, remember, and know what kind of people they have to deal with).
A premature cry to storm the battlements would achieve nothing.
I had an interesting discussion with one of “The Rangers” fans today and I was making the point that the figures don’t add up to which he shrugged his shoulders.
I then went on to say that maybe the snare issue (copyright acknowledged) would cover this year’s financial shortfall. I then asked the question what “holding company” would the fans be buying shares in this time around.
He then came out with what seems to be the new party line; “It will give people something to talk about. Why are you so pre-occupied with Rangers?”
I then said that due to what happened with the last Rangers holding company, and given that every club in the country has been told that they cannot survive without some form of Rangers, it was my responsibility to ask the relevant questions.
Due to the apathy of the previous Rangers support, the media, and the fact that the same thing seems to be happening again then it was my duty to ask questions to protect my club.
I think that is the response that we should articulate when discussing with “The Rangers” support; concern for our own clubs wellbeing because of the inability of their own fans and the media to ask the appropriate questions which in turn will have repercussions for our own clubs.
This is exactly what happened before and the guy I was speaking to was very vocal about the press at the time, and yet, less than two months later he has subsided back into his happy coma blissfully unaware that the next earthquake is rumbling just beneath the surface.
FIFA says:
September 3, 2012 at 12:25
The damage the Sun inflicted ………….. ,if this means Scotlands population has to severe or limit to extreme where possible all purchasing or otherwise of materials relating to this cancer then it has got to be done ,not easy but it is the only way ,lets start with the Sun.
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Also the paper’s – can’t bring myself to say newspaper – major advertisers. There’s more than one place to buy a car in Scotland!
One outcome of this is that the editorial team of The Sun are evidently now fully aware of the salient points contained in Phil’s book – i.e. the FACTS of the matter. The piece must have been prepared for press, if not laid out and subbed to fit. It will therefore have been condensed into sub-3-syllable words, with appropriate screaming headlines etc.
Having spent some time working at (not for) a tabloid newspaper, I know that it’s a special skill of a tabloid journalist to turn such a book into easily chewed fodder for the Great Unwashed and Semi-Literate.
Therefore, being that they will have picked up on all the “worst” bits for publication, it will be interesting to see how they refer to TRFC from now on, and how they treat the whole situation.
I am fortunate in that our receptionist buys the rag, so I’ll be able to keep an eye on it. 🙂
There is a wee bit of me thinking, or more truthfully hoping, that when the outcome of all of the current investigations are revealed, and the full extent of the wrongdoing is exposed, then all of those who have championed Sevco and their previous incarnation, will cut and run
Sevco will be left flapping in the wind, to face their fate alone
The MSM in particular will surely realise, that they can no longer defend the indefensible, and all of them including Stooges Inc will see what a pig’s ear they have made of everything
The instinct for self preservation is always the strongest, and all of those who have been unwilling to tell the truth, will attempt to save their own skins in time honoured fashion, by pretending they have been on top of everything from the start
This time though no one will be fooled by their arrogance and bluster, and it will be time for the reckoning
Webster
Re your not giving your money to Phil Mac because he was going to use The Sun:
Phil formerly wrote for The News of the World.
Although a certain strand of philosophy would maintain that you cannot do an ‘evil’, even to achieve a good. I would be more utilitarian, the greater good, I say.
The Sun wrote a puff piece about Phil’s book. I was waiting for them to write sensationalist stuff to plug it. They actually just wrote the nearest thing I have ever seen in my life – in The Sun – to the truth. They didnt need to ‘touch it up.’
Then I read their ‘Dear John’ letter this morning. I squirmed as much reading it, as he did writing it. An insult, even to the intellectually challenged.
So I say, WELL DONE, PHIL MAC! And publish where you will. An honest guy who has taken on the beast, now apparently, almost single handedly. All the terror you and your family have been subjected to, the sleepless nights, the fear you have lived with since you started this – your book deserves to be read.
I will give you my £8 for your courage.
Two quick comments on the Phil Mac issue:
It is unthinkable that Sun journalists didn’t read Phil’s blog nor know it’s contents inside out prior to offering any deal. Did they just run through a list of book titles, point at one about Rangers and go “Tell you what chaps, let’s serialise it!”. Of course not. Even if they considered him before as Sectarian, they went in with their eyes fully open.
Secondly, this now means that the book will be a disappointment no matter what. What could possibly be incendiary enough to force the laptop loyal to get so, well, incendiary about? I doubt the book has anything in it that we don’t already know and, if it had relevant, important and hitherto unknown information, you can be sure that the Sun would have published that and not an interview yesterday. Sales will no doubt go through the roof.
With regards to the serialisation Phil Mac’s book in “that” comic;
Could they have bought the rights with no intention of publishing extracts?
In other words buy the rights to ensure that it doesn’t see the light of day in an attempt to deny it publicity.
There goes my paranoia taking over me again.
I vowed never to post here again but I have decided to post this.
I am buying Phil’s book.
Cheers
I think today has been a landmark day for the MSM. It has shown its true colours and freedom of speech is definitely not on the agenda of Scottish journalists.
First up is Jabba’s latest apologia for Sevco, in which he conjures up the vision of Chuck & Sally being hauled up before the beaks at Hampden, but refers to an “army of Rangers fans right behind them”
From that we have to infer that (a) Sally lets out another dog (bear?) whistle, (b) the bears come srunning and (c) all of them march up the Hampden steps as an army, intent on waging war on the unjust and unfair SFA. If that is not an incendiary article, I don’t know what is.
Then shortly after we have the Sun’s craven capitulation to threats from so-called Rangers’ supporters which makes the nonentity of an editor take the unprecedented step of pulling a serialisation in mid-stream.
Ignore for a moment inconvenient facts like (a) MacGiollabhain should never have sold his story to the Sun in the first place, or (b) if it’s anything like his turgid tome on Dougiegate MacGiollabhain’s book will be unreadable.
These sorry episodes exposes the dark (royal?) blue underbelly of Scottish sporting journalism.
I doubt anything will change until the tax tribunal reports.
Those waiting for BDO to ride to the rescue can forget it; look at their handling of Farepak and draw your own conclusions.
Lord Hodge’s big stick for Diouf & Defer? They will wriggle off the hook on a minor technicality, assuming Lord Hodge is back from holiday long enough to read their report before the court adjourns for its autumn break.
The SPL investigation has already been tarnished as a “Celtic” plot so will be discounted as such by Jabba & pals.
The SFA is too busy worrying if they can get the blazers and brogues ready for Brazil to be bothered with uncovering any more wrongdoing in Scottish football.
It really is laughable that the Sevco lemmings mobilised themselves to prevent the serialisation of a book that seeks to lift the lid on the death of their old club and those who caused it, but yet did SFA to prevent those very events from transpiring.
Well done chaps, still playing a blinder.
This U-turn by The Sun is extremely serious.
At least two assualts on the manager of a football team. Followed by letter bombs to the same man, a QC and an MSP. The court accepts that it was a ‘bit of banter’ brought about by the perpetrators viewing an episode of the A-team.
The same manager is then assaulted on Live television at Tynecastle. The incident is witnessed by everyone in the country, but the court ignores the evidence.
Craig Whyte is allowed his choice of administrators, against the will of HMRC.
The First Minister, who described a large group of violent people as “the fabric of Scottish society”, has secret meetings with HMRC and refuses to make public what was said.
Walter Smith, for no apparent reason, disappears off the map.
Bomber Brown, after making his mouth go, also disappears without trace.
Mark Daly exposes the goings on at Ibrox – then silence.
Alex Thompson – not a peep out of him recently.
And all the time, the SFA and SPL throw the rules down the toilet, as every meaningful investigation into all of this is delayed and further delayed.
Now, something or someone has caused a national rag to back off the story, big time. Sorry folks, but this has got feck all to do with ‘sales’ or a few threatening emails from phuds.
I am sure Phil is presently working on his response to this and I can only hope that Alex Thompson will respond publicly.
For the moment, let no one be in any doubt, Scotland is corrupt to the core and extreme inimidation at a very high level is now obvious.
Remember, Alex Salmond who called a summit over a football match, has witnessed far worse since, and done nothing.
I seem to recall Collina retired shortly after a catastrophic mistake in denying Everton a legitimate late equaliser away to Villareal that would have led them to qualifing for the Champions League group stages. The ramifications of that decision are still hanging over Everton. How different would their and David Moyes’ history be had it not happened. If only other referees had that kind of integrity.
bestdressedchicken says:
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It is rich with irony.
How dare anyone tell them exactly what happened to their club. That could only be perceived as a vicious attack and must be stopped.
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September 3, 2012 at 13:32
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You forgot the Justice Minister and Assistant Cheif Constable Corrigan describing how wonderful the fans had been at a recent league cup final. After 90 minutes of sectarian singing.
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:32
“….Now, something or someone has caused a national rag to back off the story, big time. Sorry folks, but this has got feck all to do with ‘sales’ or a few threatening emails from phuds…”
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I believe you are right.
Not for nothing are the influences in the background known as the FOD.
The Sun’s statement is straight from the mouth of the father of lies, every syllable of it, in an attempt to cover its craven submission to threat , not by the mindless morons, but by ‘respectable’ serpents slithering in the corridors of political and economic power.
It is an appalling state of affairs.
Every so often i get a wee bit down with all the crap that is spoken and written,heads against a brick wall syndrome overtakes me.Then I remember Sevco’s real position,Rangers death and i cheer up a bit.But what really cheers me up is, Explaining Debt to a H^n on you tube,if you are a wee bit down i would recommend watching.If you cant laugh at it,you are already to far gone.Even if you have seen it before watch it again,some of it is still very pertinent.
Stab in the dark here …. Suppose all those in a position to do the right thing (sfa spl sfl msm politicos etc) … But won’t do the right thing …. Won’t because sometime during their career building they were entertained in a more succulent way by chiefs of rfc …. And maybe just maybe there exists proof of this …. Careering destroying proof …. As I can’t see it being down to the brotherhoods …. As all cliques of that elk … And I do mean “ALL” are very very much on the decline ! …. To me at least there just has to be more than a good grip holding this fairytale together …. And I’m sure there are a few bro’s on here ainct tarred with sectarianism .. just a thought
The Iceman says:
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Lawwell and Celtic’s silence will in time come to be seen as the single greatest error in the club’s history.
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It seems to me , reading this blog , that the MSM in Glasgow are completely under the control of Rangers (both old &new) and apparently CFC don’t have a single source in the Glasgow/Scottish media they can turn to to get their point across. In the meantime , CFCs fans (and it is , predominantly) turn cartwheels in frustration at the way Rangers (old /new) are allowed to carry on.
Peter Lawell is , according to this board, acting in CFCs best interests (and of their fanbase) in so doing.
Really ?
As I posted on RTC , if CFC aren’t going to speak out why would anyone else do so ? Why SHOULD the BBC get involved in a football issue – why don’t CFC ?
It was Celtic who were cheated the most and consequently suffered the most.
Change/progress/punishments will ONLY come from CFC speaking out. Everything else is wishful thinking IMO.
Was the league cup draw seeded, 4 SPL at home, 4 SPL away, none drawn against each other?
Celtic v Raith Rovers
Rangers v Motherwell
St Mirren v Hamilton Academical
Queen of the South v Dundee United
Hearts v Livingston
Dunfermline Athletic v Aberdeen
St Johnstone v Queen’s Park
Stenhousemuir v Inverness CT
You know, I was totally green regarding Phil Mac Giolla Bhain – that was, until I listened to a podcast on The Away End http://www.theawayend.net/ about social-historic aspects of the Old Firm. A snoozathon for non-Glaswegians no doubt, but I was actually deeply impressed by the guy being interviewed – and it turned out to be him. I found him objective and rather insightful on the subject. But I still know very little about him apart a few paragraphs of background, so in other words, nothing.
Living abroad and being severely out of the loop on certain matters sometimes gives you a chance to listen to things at face value. It helps me do as ma auld maw said, ‘Always take people as you find them.’ Now I’m probably the type who feels the Glasgow preoccupation with all things Irish history borders on the obsessive. It’s only second to religion as a no-no in the football context for me. But the fact that that newspaper has now ‘branded him’ in the way it has only makes me more curious to hear more of what he has to say.
I’ve just checked, and after a search of The Away End archives, found two more podcasts featuring the man. Here are links to three podcasts he features in. I believe they all relate in some way to the specific subject that started this blog and RTC. I’ll listen and make up my own mind Mr Sun person, thank you. Here’s the links if anyone else, like me, is catching up:
http://www.theawayend.net/articles/the-away-end-archive/565-podcast-37-rangers-v-phil-mac-giolla-bhain
http://www.theawayend.net/articles/the-away-end-archive/596-podcast-41-phil-mac-giolla-bhain
http://www.theawayend.net/articles/the-away-end-archive/822-paul-hughes-and-phil-mac-giolla-bhain
Salmond is despicable. His fingers I think are all over a lot of the SFA utterances and his good offices are certainly allowing the whole thing to be delayed sufficiently to allow New @Gers time to be embedded in the system. Like no other club, SEVCO have been given specific guarantees and agreements on the TV deal.
I’m sure Turnbull Hutton will be made more than welcome at Celtic Park….
tearsofjoy says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:19
‘.Peter Lawell is , according to this board, acting in CFCs best interests (and of their fanbase) in so doing.
Really ?..’
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Thought we had flogged this to death! There seems to be an element of trolling agent-provocateur-ship in raising it again. Read the answers previously given.
And as to your question as to why the BBC should get involved in a ‘football story’, I have to say, as politely as I can, you must be the only one on the planet who thinks this is a ‘football’
story.
It is a story of political and institutional corruption, and of denial of that corruption by elements within a public body funded by me and every other licence-payer. That’s why the BBC should be seriously getting in among it, and not backing off.
So let’s have no more of the juvenile nonsense, please.
Sorry, these direct links are easier if you’re a bit lost in the archives:
Episode 37:
http://theawayend.libsyn.com/webpage/2011/01
Episode 41
http://theawayend.libsyn.com/webpage/2011/02
Episode 63
http://theawayend.libsyn.com/webpage/2011/08
The Iceman says:
September 3, 2012 at
Salmond is despicable. His fingers I think are all over a lot of the SFA utterances and his good offices are certainly allowing the whole thing to be delayed sufficiently to allow New @Gers time to be embedded in the system. Like no other club, SEVCO have been given specific guarantees and agreements on the TV deal.
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Iceman,Do you have any info? Hope so,because I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights,and no rights to any TV money.Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know ?.
I have not read the article in the SUN nor do I intend to….but I would imagine any details surrounding the published comments…accusations etc as has been suggested on here…would lead me to think he may very well have legal redress against the paper and or individuals in this instance…
Now that would be interesting
Tic 6709 says:
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I would no sooner trust Salmond to run a bath never mind a country….
It would not surprise me in the slightest if we were to find out that he has actively intervened to a level that does not involve a paper trail…
Tic 6709 says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:07
‘….I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights,and no rights to any TV money.Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know ?’
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I think PMcConville covered these aspects on his blog at the time Sevco were admitted to Associate membership. I haven’t got the link, I’m afraid.
Danish Pastry says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:57
I note you last link appears to be to Episode 63 of the Away End.
The participants appear to have included :-
“Special episode this week, with THE SUN’S Paul Hughes, Scots-Irish journalist Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, and the NEWS OF THE WORLD’S Alan Rowan all featured on the podcast.
We also speak to Hearts fans to get their reaction to Jim Jefferies’ sacking, look at the Scotland squad, and discuss David Goodwillie’s future.
http://www.theawayend.net
Direct download: Aug_2nd_2011.mp3″
Not listended to the podcast but two thenNews International Journo’s appeared to be happy to be included on the same billing as this disreputable character.
Did they actually converse with Phil Mac Giolla Bhain?
Did they not check out who else was participating and get agreement from their bosses to appear given they were representing their papers.?
Rowan was with the Daily Record for 18 years and when he left he was Sports Editor, now appears to be semi retired. Therefore he surely knows the score.
Dec 2008
“Record’s sports editor leaves in Glasgow cull
Alan Rowan, the sports editor at the Trinity Mirror-owned Daily Record in Glasgow is among 13 staff at the Scottish tabloid and the Sunday Mail to have their applications for voluntary redundancy accepted.
Eight of the 13 to leave the titles, by the end of February, are from editorial. The other five are from IT, advertising and operations.”
Paul Hughes is still writing for the Sun and has doen for a number of years. Again he knows the score.
As I said earlier leave the sectarianism out of it but once again questions have to be asked of the motives of the MSM and the Sun in particular in relation to a footballing story realting to T’Rangers.
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I would no sooner trust Salmond to run a bath never mind a country….
It would not surprise me in the slightest if we were to find out that he has actively intervened to a level that does not involve a paper trail…
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I think not leaving a paper trail would be difficult and Salmond is surely savvy enough not to think news of an actual meeting would not leak out.
If he did have discussions with senior officials of HMRC there should be a meeting/telephone note. If not the civil servant will have some difficult questions to answer.
tearsofjoy says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:19
As I posted on RTC , if CFC aren’t going to speak out why would anyone else do so ? Why SHOULD the BBC get involved in a football issue – why don’t CFC ?
It was Celtic who were cheated the most and consequently suffered the most.
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Why should the BBC get involved? They didn’t lose out due to RFC (extinct) cheating therefore they shouldn’t get involved. What version of media behaviour are you describing here? If a newspaper or broadcaster isn’t affected by the issue concerned then they have an excuse not to investigate?
We’ve dealt with some breathtaking instances on here of partiality by journalists, of poor standards and of outright bias and this morning in the ever contemptible Sun we have possible collusion in censorship. But you’re suggetsing a press system that can legitimately avoid issues if they aren’t affected by them?
What does that leave the papers and broadcasters to fill the print pages or airwaves with?
Of today’s stories, only News Internationals very own version of the RFC affair – phone hacking – which affected every other press outlet, would merit coverage or investigation. The other stories, which didn’t affect press or broadcast organisations can be safely ignored.
Our media is bad but it isn’t that bad yet.
An interesting point regarding the “history”, spiritual or otherwise, of TRFC – this is from a post on RM …
“I don’t see this being an issue until Rangers win their next trophy and leading pundits/officials are forced to talk about the updated honours list.”
He’s right. That *will* be interesting.
Tic 6709 says:
September 3, 2012 at 15:07
Iceman, do you have any info? Hope so, because I am nearly sure any new club has no voting rights, and no rights to any TV money. Any new club except Sevco that is. Could be wrong (the very first time).Anybody know?
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Tic – As it stood you are correct. But they changed horses – from Ogilvie HQ, Mount Florida – 27 July;
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=10252&newsCategoryID=1
“- The Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League have reached agreement on the purchase of a package of broadcasting rights which will allow the former to include The Rangers FC matches in contracts with broadcast partners.”
“Neil Doncaster, Chief Executive of the SPL: “We are pleased to have reached an agreement with the parties concerned. Discussions will now continue with our broadcast partners and we expect to be in a position to make a further announcement next week on broadcasting rights and the on-going EBT investigation.”
Haven’t found anything on the SPL website – no idea on value of “package” – or how it`s split
john clarke says:
September 3, 2012 at 14:52
JC
That’s all getting a bit condescending isn’t it?
There appears to be two camps among Celtic supporters. The PL ‘dignified silence’ camp and those of us that are not so convinced. It doesn’t make us guilty of ‘trolling agent-provocateur-ship’. We are all entitled to express our opinions on here and just because you and others happen to disagree doesn’t make it ‘juvenile nonsense’. I stopped posting yesterday because I detected a bit of a dismissive attitude towards me and thought what’s the point.
The only reasoning I have consistently read justifying Celtic’s silence is that of the carnage in the streets variety. If that is truly the case what a sad indictment of ‘the best wee country in the world’. The threat of violence overrides free speech – really? As I have said previously I just hope that a golden opportunity has not already been lost. I have supported Celtic for most of my life (50 next St Patrick’s day); it doesn’t mean that I blindly agree with everything they have done, past or future. Just for the record, no one will be happier than me if PL really is ‘playing a blinder’.
Thanks for info and corrections lads.It just get’s worse. I am still waiting for word from HMRC in regard to the conversations between them and Salmond,maybe they will sneak a reply if they are p^ssed off about his interfering.We can but hope.
Thanks John,Paul,twopandas.
It is certainly not juvenile nonsense to criticise Celtic’s silence.
No-one is accusing Celtic of behaving improperly in their own conduct. No-one is accusing Lawwell of not being an effective CEO of Celtic shifting their financial model whilst maintaining stability in difficult times with considerable skill and acuity – he deserves great praise for these achievements. In many ways Celtic, as regards their own governace and finances, is a model club. .
We are exploring a situation where the rules of the SFA have been ripped apart where it appears that investigations by courts and certainly by HMRC as well as footballing investigations are being deliberately delayed and side tracked to allow a fait accompli in which a club which is dead is ressurected and placed at the centre of Scottish football in a privileged position despite decades of cheating presumably with the complicity of the SFA, and I suspect under very powerful pressure from political leaders. Even today we see a silencing of a voice of truth by a national newspaper.
And Celtic say nothing. And from where we all can see have done nothing, and have made no attempt to prevent the destruction of the fabric of the game.
I am a Celtic fan – have been since I can remember anything and was carried over turnstiles by my dad before I went to school. I love the Celtic and always will. I choose not to go anymore or subscribe to anything to do with Scottish Football because Celtic are an integral member of the SFA – and its most significant one, outwith the discredited dead club and its followers. If they stay silent, then no-one else can or will do anything to stop this.
I believe it is already too late – we needed a total boycott of all games by all fans at the beginning of this season until the SFA were forced to follow their own rules.
Silence implies consent; refusal to condemn those whose actions are wrong implies consent. Continuing to play football within the auspices of the SFA and raising no formal complaints either to FIFA or UEFA or the CAS when you have a clear and unchallengable case for damages against both dead club and the SFA implies more than consent – it implies defeat and acquiescence.
As far as I can see, they are getting away with theft and cheating and fraud, and the biggest casualty of these actions, in footballing and possibly financial terms, is Celtic. This monster will be even more emboldened and when it emerges as it will (in the present guise or if that folds in the one after or the one after that – they have created an unkillable monster which has no constraints placed upon it) , at the top level of the game then the injustices that Celtic has suffered under the last regime will be as nothing compared to what will come next.
This silence is and will be prove to be the greatest error in Celtic’s history. It has allowed the injustices that the club has suffered to be swept under the carpet. and has allowed the drawing of a a blueprint to ensure that systematic injustice against the club will remain, and will be increased in the years and decades ahead. The cancer at the core of the SFA has spread and grown and now envelops the entire game.
Celtic has a duty – at the very least – to oppose the cheating in the governing body with all of the power at its disposal – not just for the game, but for its own dignity, self-respect and self-interest.
Common Law or the law of the land is in place so that there is a common framework and set of rules that can be applied across civil society and its communities.
It can be argued, and the opinion can be held, by anyone who pleases, that the current Rangers is the same club as last season’s Rangers. However, to hold that opinion one has to ignore the law and various football rules. These have been listed a number of times on a number of threads and I wont repeat here.
One could argue that in some way – indeed ‘philosophically’ is apt since that kinda means ‘depending how you look at it’! – it is indeed the same club. But similarly another could argue the opposite, and that it is clearly not the same club. Situations like this arise all the time in society and its by reference to the law that its sorted.
Interesting article
Bullying and threatening tactics being employed yet again
I really do despise them, and all that they represent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/sep/03/sun-scotland?CMP=twt_gu
A rather poignant article from Desmond Kane from as far back as April 6th.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/desmond-kane/salmond-risks-political-own-goal-rangers-intervention-171009369.html
The closing lines of the Sun editorial from this morning’s edition. The last words in the matter indeed…they wish.
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The Rangers story has gripped the entire nation and it is one we will continue to tell.
We will tell it truthfully, honestly and without fear or favour.
That is a promise to every football fan and to every one of our army of loyal readers.
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campsiejoe says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:40
Interesting article
Bullying and threatening tactics being employed yet again
I really do despise them, and all that they represent
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/sep/03/sun-scotland?CMP
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Seconded. Well Regan and Doncaster, now do you feckin’ understand?
As I said before, “an appeaser is someone who feeds the Crocodile
hoping that it will eat him last”.
That’s your feckin’ legacy,you pair of twats.
Scots have been at the forefront in the search for free speech, and liberty all over the World,but we cant have it in our own Country,thanks to b^goted,rac^st fasc^sts ,who have been given free rein by the Politicians and media.
The Sun had another option, they could have told the truth and written about the threats and strong arm tactics of the Rangers Tribute Act supporters. They could then have also written a strongly worded press release stating that they will not be intimidated and bullied by thugs and that they will keep a list of every single threat made which would be fully investigated by the police.
But then again cowardice is practically in the DNA of Scottish journalism.
The publication of Phil’s book will be a positive development – it will re-ignite the debate over the financial (miss)management of RFC and the ability of the SFA to regulate for the good of the game.
It will be interesting to see the wider public reaction to the book, and to developments that then arise from the (eventual) liquidation of RFC.
It will also be interesting to see how Sevco react to the book – will they say no comment, its nothing to do with us (we are a new club)? Or will they say nothing to see, move along?
The publication of Phil’s book will be a positive development – it will re-ignite the debate over the financial (miss)management of RFC and the ability of the SFA to regulate for the good of the game.
It will be interesting to see the wider public reaction to the book, and to developments that then arise from the (eventual) liquidation of RFC.
It will also be interesting to see how Sevco react to the book – will they say no comment, its nothing to do with us (we are a new club)? Or will they say nothing to see, move along?
Hopefully RTC’s book will then take the public debate on RFC, EBTs, MSM, SFA further forward.
I would imagine that the publication of both books will make uncomfortable reading for many. The geenie is well and truly out of the bottle – keep the faith.
LTL @ 17:39pm
Thank you 🙂
After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller, bringing the SFA/Servco scandal to a much wider audience. We have much to thank the Sun for, but for all the wrong reasons.
P.S. I urge all TSFM bloggers to go out and purchase this book
Question for AS FM…Can we now expect a timetable to be issued for the public book burnings.?
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 13:32
Steady, Doon.
HMRC were asked in court if they had any objection to D&P being appointed administrators and they made it very clear they did not, and were simply happy for RFC to be in administration ASAP (whoever the admin company) rather than allow them the 2 weeks notice they had given before appointing D&P.
Re Phils book .
The hordes were warned in plenty of time to question Murray ,they chose to dismiss Phil as a Timmy with an agenda ,that turned out to be a GRAVE mistake on their part .
Now they have chosen to dismiss his book as a sectarian ranter with an agenda and I am sure CG will do plenty of bumping of his gums about this probably stating he will not stand for this guy attacking deid club fc and the hordes will rally round CG even more than before .
This will boost his share issue uptake and ensure the hordes don’t dig too deep into the small print .
This however could be an even GRAVER mistake on their part ,only time will tell
Night Terror
I wont clog up the blog with links but I’ve looked back and there are plenty newspaper articles claiming Craig Whyte “fought” HMRC for the right to appoint their own administrators. One of the reasons given was that Whyte had ‘previous’ with Duff and Duffers.
Senior says:
September 3, 2012 at 17:45
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After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller, bringing the SFA/Servco scandal to a much wider audience. We have much to thank the Sun for, but for all the wrong reasons.
P.S. I urge all TSFM bloggers to go out and purchase this book
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Agreed – the controversy re the Sun’s action will bring more publicity to the book, and as for the intimidation of journalists, that will ensure a much wider audience within that community. Once again, Sevco and their “Army of Loyal” fans, by their own actions, will be adversely affected by this. Shame.
And yes, I’ll be buying the book !
STV sport announcer says Motherwell are the first SPL team to meet Rangers in their new form.
I wonder how many e-mails are currently being sent by TRFC supporters as I type.
Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:06
Well I was clogging up a seat in the court of session when this discussion took place and I can assure you HMRC had no objection to D&P.
nowoldandgrumpy says @ 18.12:-
It’s worse than that! The announcer actually said ( I think!) that Motherwell are the first SFL team to meet Rangers in their new form!
Apologies if I misheard this.
Night Terror
Pity the reporter for the Daily Mail (I know, I know) didnt clog up one of the other seats in the court that day, as he reported:
“Rangers appointed their preferred administrator after a court petition was lodged by HMRC to have one appointed for them.”
How surprising that the first SPL team that TRFC meet, would happen to be a team whose manager wanted them kept in the SPL and has never tried a leg against them in all the time he as been in charge of Motherwell FC.
Hold on there Doon
The Mail quote is entirely accurate – Rangers did get their preferred administrator.
My point was to say “Craig Whyte is allowed his choice of administrators, against the will of HMRC.” is not wholly accurate, as it was made clear in court that HMRC were not objecting to D&P (indeed they had kind words to say about D&P) being the appointed administrator, rather they were anxious for any administrator to be appointed before the day was out, rather than allow Whyte the 2 weeks between his announcement of intention to appoint D&P as administrator and Rangers actually entering administration.
I expected some interesting argument about the merits of D&P as administrators and their prior relationship with Mr Whyte, and was disappointed that none was forthcoming from HMRC.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:12
STV sport announcer says Motherwell are the first SPL team to meet Rangers in their new form.
I wonder how many e-mails are currently being sent by TRFC supporters as I type.
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This will be their first opportunity to try the £14 programmes and £1 entry fee
Re STV memory lapse it’s worse than that .they even did a piece saying a Celtic player was happy with the draw although it meant he missed out on an old firm draw .
I did not bother clicking on the link as the header said enough .
Night Terror says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:20
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Doon the slope says:
September 3, 2012 at 18:06
I wont clog up the blog with links but I’ve looked back and there are plenty newspaper articles claiming Craig Whyte “fought” HMRC for the right to appoint their own administrators. One of the reasons given was that Whyte had ‘previous’ with Duff and Duffers.
Well I was clogging up a seat in the court of session when this discussion took place and I can assure you HMRC had no objection to D&P.
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My take on this…
CW, as holder of a floating charge, was legally entitled to appoint the administrators of RFC.
For HMRC to object to his choice, they would would have had to make very serious allegations against D&P that they would have found difficult to substantiate at the time.
The choice of administrator is much less important (in the long term) than the choice of liquidator. HMRC have got their preference in this key regard. Everything that the administrators have done can be scrutinised (and, where necessary, undone) by BDO.
Sevco may currently own Rangers assets and trademarks; but they should be asked to pay substantially more to keep them.
I fully expect Ticketus to hold CW’s floating charge by the time the liquidation process is complete. Ticketus will object to the previous asset sale as sold under-value and, assuming BDO agree, Sevco will “reluctantly” agree to honour that charge in return for keeping Rangers assets.
In reality, Sevco and Ticketus investors are almost certainly the same people, so have no real reason to object.
HMRC will get nothing – no matter what happens with BDO. All that matters, I think, is that they have created a precedent for collecting what they regard as outstanding tax due from the many historic EBT schemes run by EPL teams. They are, I think, playing the long game.
So, an article that aimed to satirise creatures full of knee jerk hatred has been used as an excuse to cancel serialisation following the Sun receiving a barrage of complaints from enlightened, learned, noble members of Scottish Society (oh no, more irony).
Senior says:
September 3, 2012 at 17:45
After reading the Guardian article my initial reaction is that this may well be the start of the dam burst. Mac Giolla Bhain will become a household name. The Sun will be known as the paper of appeasement, in spite of all their claims of being a tough, hard-hitting newspaper the Sun will be seen as a cowardly rag.
Mac Giiolla Bhain’s book may have sold well on it’s own merits, but it is now guaranteed to become a best seller
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Yes, his publisher should be able to use this as a marketing opportunity – I can see one of those wrappers around it with ‘The Book That was Too Hot for The Sun!’ on.
Interesting to note that Phil’s book sits at no 3 in the current Amazon football books charts.
More worrying however are the “comments” attached to it on the site are beginning to resemble RM in all it’s glory. These idiots may use the internet to acheive their aim that nothing derogatory may ever be written about RFC, and in that respect they put us to shame as they really are bampots.
And with a date for publication shown as 8/9/12 not one of them will have read a word of it.
All good things come to those who wait 🙂 and after reading the VB statement on RM it cant come quick enough
I went to my local Waterstones down here in Englandshire to order Phil’s book. ‘That’s odd’ says the guy, consulting his computer,’ it’s down here as being published on the 1st, but not being printed, never seen that before, I’ll order it and see what happens but I can’t guarantee anything.’ They normally take payment in full for orders but he didn’t from me because they’re unsure if it’ll arrive. Can I be the first to postulate a conspiracy theory? I’ll keep you updated with developments, someone else might like to try their own bookshop.
Night Terror and Hirsute
Thank you for your thoughts on the appointment of Administrators, Duff and Phelps.
I hope we haven’t detracted from today’s real news which is why a rag – which recently took a decision in the interests of FOI, to publish pictures of a Prince in the buff – suddenly decided that it is now against FOI after all.
Phil’s mistake was obviously that he didn’t have any titty pictures in his book.
Just read the Herald’s article to Mr Reidy134 and he says he’ll be buying Phil’s book. It’ll be interesting to see what he makes of it (he’s still sitting on the fence I think).
CrazyHorse says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:17
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‘We are all entitled to express our opinions on here and just because you and others happen to disagree doesn’t make it ‘juvenile nonsense’.
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You’re right, of course.
There were many good posts, yours among them, over the last day or two, putting forward reasonable, balanced points of view. I felt that we had all mutually agreed that there was scope for amicable disagreement, having talked the thing out.
And then someone comes in from the beginning again, without anything new to add!
But it was that poster’s comment about the BBC not having to get involved in a ‘football’ story that I considered juvenile, not his view on the ‘silence’.
(I see Iceman has come back to the subject. But he has an argued point of view.)
campsiejoe says: September 3, 2012 at 16:40
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/sep/03/sun-scotland?CMP=twt_gu
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Thanks Campsiejoe for this link to The Guardian article on today’s decision by Rupert Murdoch’s rag to drop the book.
It is sobering that only the UK media: Channel4, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph(since Roddy went on leave) are brave enough to stand up to the threats. Come on BBC, you have twice been brave enough to expose the truth – don’t give up or give in now. Murray/Whyte/Green its the same story -please keep going.
On a seperat point, Steven Davis was quoted in The Metro today saying he has received abuse from Rangers(ia) fans for leaving them – despite them getting – and I quote Davis here “£800,000 from Southampton” for him. I trust Charles Green understands that every penny of ANY amount received from Southampton goes to the Duff & Phelps creditors pot – you do understand that don’t you Mr Green? you can’t spend that on £800,000 for Templeton? that would be illegal? you do get that don’t you Mr Green?
Yes, his publisher should be able to use this as a marketing opportunity – I can see one of those wrappers around it with ‘The Book That was Too Hot for The Sun!’ on.
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Good thinking Livia! Perhaps the Record will steal a march on its biggest rival and run with the book!
Then again I might step outside my house tomorrow morning and be crushed by a falling Yak that has just been dropped by a flock of flying pigs who are migrating north for the winter!
What dates should we be looking out for in the near future.And will there be any more punishments for sevco/rankers just wondering
Many months ago I posted some rants about the M*sons and what would happen to keep the beast alive. It is, has been happening, and will continue to happen.
I took a look while shopping at the back pages of several papers including the S*N and the Evening Times. You could be forgiven for thinking that there is only one team in Glasgow, absolute full page spreads about the dark side.
We have a mountain to climb to overcome the Establishment. Most people seem to have given up on UEFA/FIFA but I wonder if they have been fully appraised of just what is going on. Does anyone have any information or feedback from them?
Don’t give up Good always triumphs over Evil in the long run.
Re .scottish 4th tier franchise being drawn against SPL club who has a history of playing recently in champion’s and also UEFA cup qualifying legs ,strange but the odds from the bookmakers will favour 4th tier on the day,eh Mr McCall ,can you up your level to a Peterhead or a Brechin,your fans are watching ,good moneys on you might be after Sally’s job so you might just up the effort ,dont worry ,Sally is finding pals hard to come by,Just ask Watty & Bomber.
But one thing is a sure bet ,steptoe & son are not in this together for much longer ,the horse has been dead for too long and Sally can’t pull the cart for much longer .How comforting it must be to sit with Old Charlie of a night and listen to his stories of dark times down at the coal face and eat all the cream scones ,you must be Sally,why else are you putting on so much weight,or are the pie’s not selling or are you staying behind to help the catering staff clear away.
But seriously ,Sally ,how much more of this can you take ,your 2nd wife must now be asking after Saturdays comment ,is she a McCoist or a Dougal ,she demands to know,does her DNA require checking,god forbid ,we dont want to go too deep into DNA ,they say families fall out more than friends,think about this .
martin o’neill says:
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I went to my local Waterstones down here in Englandshire to order Phil’s book. ‘That’s odd’ says the guy, consulting his computer,’ it’s down here as being published on the 1st, but not being printed, never seen that before, I’ll order it and see what happens but I can’t guarantee anything.’ They normally take payment in full for orders but he didn’t from me because they’re unsure if it’ll arrive. Can I be the first to postulate a conspiracy theory? I’ll keep you updated with developments, someone else might like to try their own bookshop.
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Ordered my copy on Amazon a week or two ago. Delivery date is for the middle of this month??
Not available on the kindle.
The Iceman says:
September 3, 2012 at 16:28
‘..Celtic has a duty – at the very least – to oppose the cheating in the governing body with all of the power at its disposal – not just for the game, but for its own dignity, self-respect and self-interest..’
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Realistically, what would you have Celtic do?
As said before, they are only one vote. The only constitutional means open to them are to seek support from at least ten other SFA clubs to requistion an EGM.
Even if they at this stage got such support, what would be their motion? Censure the CEO? Reverse the decision to award Associate membership to a new club?
The first motion might conceivably be passed. The second??? !!!
Unconstitutional means? Perhaps an article or statement publicly accusing the SFA officers/board of facilitating and colluding in the cheating and skulduggery of the rogue club? A call for Sevco/Rangers to be expelled?
Without chapter and verse of evidence, they would be crucified by the MSM ( and libel suits would be filed)
There is a long way to go in this saga.
The results of a whole number of separate investigations are still to come in. It is at that stage, when facts have been established, that Celtic can properly raise their voice and insist on being listened to.
In the meantime, absolutely the right thing to do in principle, and the sensible thing in point of reality, is to sing dumb while watching and listening like a hawk to every utterance made, and every action undertaken, by the SFA Board to add to the record that is no doubt being carefully maintained.( Celtic have been here before, remember, and know what kind of people they have to deal with).
A premature cry to storm the battlements would achieve nothing.
I had an interesting discussion with one of “The Rangers” fans today and I was making the point that the figures don’t add up to which he shrugged his shoulders.
I then went on to say that maybe the snare issue (copyright acknowledged) would cover this year’s financial shortfall. I then asked the question what “holding company” would the fans be buying shares in this time around.
He then came out with what seems to be the new party line; “It will give people something to talk about. Why are you so pre-occupied with Rangers?”
I then said that due to what happened with the last Rangers holding company, and given that every club in the country has been told that they cannot survive without some form of Rangers, it was my responsibility to ask the relevant questions.
Due to the apathy of the previous Rangers support, the media, and the fact that the same thing seems to be happening again then it was my duty to ask questions to protect my club.
I think that is the response that we should articulate when discussing with “The Rangers” support; concern for our own clubs wellbeing because of the inability of their own fans and the media to ask the appropriate questions which in turn will have repercussions for our own clubs.
This is exactly what happened before and the guy I was speaking to was very vocal about the press at the time, and yet, less than two months later he has subsided back into his happy coma blissfully unaware that the next earthquake is rumbling just beneath the surface.
FIFA says:
September 3, 2012 at 12:25
The damage the Sun inflicted ………….. ,if this means Scotlands population has to severe or limit to extreme where possible all purchasing or otherwise of materials relating to this cancer then it has got to be done ,not easy but it is the only way ,lets start with the Sun.
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Also the paper’s – can’t bring myself to say newspaper – major advertisers. There’s more than one place to buy a car in Scotland!
One outcome of this is that the editorial team of The Sun are evidently now fully aware of the salient points contained in Phil’s book – i.e. the FACTS of the matter. The piece must have been prepared for press, if not laid out and subbed to fit. It will therefore have been condensed into sub-3-syllable words, with appropriate screaming headlines etc.
Having spent some time working at (not for) a tabloid newspaper, I know that it’s a special skill of a tabloid journalist to turn such a book into easily chewed fodder for the Great Unwashed and Semi-Literate.
Therefore, being that they will have picked up on all the “worst” bits for publication, it will be interesting to see how they refer to TRFC from now on, and how they treat the whole situation.
I am fortunate in that our receptionist buys the rag, so I’ll be able to keep an eye on it. 🙂
There is a wee bit of me thinking, or more truthfully hoping, that when the outcome of all of the current investigations are revealed, and the full extent of the wrongdoing is exposed, then all of those who have championed Sevco and their previous incarnation, will cut and run
Sevco will be left flapping in the wind, to face their fate alone
The MSM in particular will surely realise, that they can no longer defend the indefensible, and all of them including Stooges Inc will see what a pig’s ear they have made of everything
The instinct for self preservation is always the strongest, and all of those who have been unwilling to tell the truth, will attempt to save their own skins in time honoured fashion, by pretending they have been on top of everything from the start
This time though no one will be fooled by their arrogance and bluster, and it will be time for the reckoning
Webster
Re your not giving your money to Phil Mac because he was going to use The Sun:
Phil formerly wrote for The News of the World.
Although a certain strand of philosophy would maintain that you cannot do an ‘evil’, even to achieve a good. I would be more utilitarian, the greater good, I say.
The Sun wrote a puff piece about Phil’s book. I was waiting for them to write sensationalist stuff to plug it. They actually just wrote the nearest thing I have ever seen in my life – in The Sun – to the truth. They didnt need to ‘touch it up.’
Then I read their ‘Dear John’ letter this morning. I squirmed as much reading it, as he did writing it. An insult, even to the intellectually challenged.
So I say, WELL DONE, PHIL MAC! And publish where you will. An honest guy who has taken on the beast, now apparently, almost single handedly. All the terror you and your family have been subjected to, the sleepless nights, the fear you have lived with since you started this – your book deserves to be read.
I will give you my £8 for your courage.
Two quick comments on the Phil Mac issue:
It is unthinkable that Sun journalists didn’t read Phil’s blog nor know it’s contents inside out prior to offering any deal. Did they just run through a list of book titles, point at one about Rangers and go “Tell you what chaps, let’s serialise it!”. Of course not. Even if they considered him before as Sectarian, they went in with their eyes fully open.
Secondly, this now means that the book will be a disappointment no matter what. What could possibly be incendiary enough to force the laptop loyal to get so, well, incendiary about? I doubt the book has anything in it that we don’t already know and, if it had relevant, important and hitherto unknown information, you can be sure that the Sun would have published that and not an interview yesterday. Sales will no doubt go through the roof.
With regards to the serialisation Phil Mac’s book in “that” comic;
Could they have bought the rights with no intention of publishing extracts?
In other words buy the rights to ensure that it doesn’t see the light of day in an attempt to deny it publicity.
There goes my paranoia taking over me again.
I vowed never to post here again but I have decided to post this.
I am buying Phil’s book.
Cheers
I think today has been a landmark day for the MSM. It has shown its true colours and freedom of speech is definitely not on the agenda of Scottish journalists.
First up is Jabba’s latest apologia for Sevco, in which he conjures up the vision of Chuck & Sally being hauled up before the beaks at Hampden, but refers to an “army of Rangers fans right behind them”
From that we have to infer that (a) Sally lets out another dog (bear?) whistle, (b) the bears come srunning and (c) all of them march up the Hampden steps as an army, intent on waging war on the unjust and unfair SFA. If that is not an incendiary article, I don’t know what is.
Then shortly after we have the Sun’s craven capitulation to threats from so-called Rangers’ supporters which makes the nonentity of an editor take the unprecedented step of pulling a serialisation in mid-stream.
Ignore for a moment inconvenient facts like (a) MacGiollabhain should never have sold his story to the Sun in the first place, or (b) if it’s anything like his turgid tome on Dougiegate MacGiollabhain’s book will be unreadable.
These sorry episodes exposes the dark (royal?) blue underbelly of Scottish sporting journalism.
I doubt anything will change until the tax tribunal reports.
Those waiting for BDO to ride to the rescue can forget it; look at their handling of Farepak and draw your own conclusions.
Lord Hodge’s big stick for Diouf & Defer? They will wriggle off the hook on a minor technicality, assuming Lord Hodge is back from holiday long enough to read their report before the court adjourns for its autumn break.
The SPL investigation has already been tarnished as a “Celtic” plot so will be discounted as such by Jabba & pals.
The SFA is too busy worrying if they can get the blazers and brogues ready for Brazil to be bothered with uncovering any more wrongdoing in Scottish football.
Plus ca change