1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
Livenhope
Wrong day of the week to catch you
Apologies again
Try -The definitive Bioghraphy ,archie Macpherson
The Jock Stein Story -Archie MacPherson
can some one else also try this as it may be an issue with this type of book ,surely not again
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:46
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As I said before Steve…we are not in the inner circle…to engage with us runs the danger of exposing what is going on…that will never happen…the discussion needs to be exported beyond Scotland…
tomtom says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:43
Captain Haddock says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:44
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This is what’s wrong.D Utd,although cash strapped,seem quite happy to wait for their cash whilst as Tom Tom says CG spends more money than anyone else,with the exception of Celtic and not one voice is raised.
WE can assume that no timescale for payment of all football debts was set at the now infamous”5 way agreement”.In fact nothing was decided that would put obstacles in the way of Sevcos participation in Scottish Football.
THe SFA/SPL/SFL have stuck two fingers up at everyone.Sevco have no intention of paying anyone.That includes Rapid Vienna and the other foriegn clubs owed money.The SFA are willing to face the wrath of UEFA/FIFA rather than obstruct CGs plan.That’s if UEFA/FIFA can be bothered.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:55
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Thank God for that…
No problems fifa was in a bad mood anyway no harm done
liveinhope says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:02
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Thanks l.t.l see how its done fifa you ask a question and someone helps you out TAKE NOTE
Bought it myself, always wanted to read this but never got round to buying it.
Thanks to the poster who brought this up tonight.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the Universe but when it comes to stupidity we have the SFA as a fine example.”
― Albert Einstein
I’m sure that’s what he said, I may have picked it up wrong
Hmmm
Re the Templeton did he or did he not sign debate please allow me to make a contribution.
I have a long number of years experience dealing with Court and other appellate bodies timetables. In every case the timetables for doing, not doing or making representations on matters were clearly laid down by law and statute. On occasions parties failed to comply with these timetables which on the face of it would generally mean that their case or action would be thrown out. However there was another road they could go down basically asking that their failure to act in time be ignored. Again generally speaking if they could show that their failure was minimal, outwith their control and caused no obvious disadvantage their failure would be permitted and everyone would simply accept it and move on. This is a situation well recorded in case law.
Turning to the matter in hand, namely the Templeton registration.
If it is accepted that the transfer was in actual fact lodged after midnight, but within 1 hour of the timetable, and that the failure was due to computer malfunction I would suggest that on the balance of probability the SFA would take legal advice. Any solicitor would be fully aware of case law and advise that the registration should be permitted.
Sorry for going on a bit and having simplified the legal position somewhat but I think we should just move on.
I can well understand that this post may receive many thumbs down but I am only trying to throw some light on this debacle and hope we can move on to the many more obvious items of maladministration in the whole RFC(IA) case
liveinhope says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:38
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I’ve just placed an order on Amazon for a second-hand (good condition) copy of ‘Jock Stein- the definitive biography) at £00.01, plus a couple of quid postage. There are still other second-hand copies available.
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:03
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:46
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As I said before Steve…we are not in the inner circle…to engage with us runs the danger of exposing what is going on…that will never happen…the discussion needs to be exported beyond Scotland…
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1) Agreed – but even Alex Thomson seems to have stepped back, [PMG book aside], so who will be interested in taking an active interest from outside Scotland ? And I of course discount the usual suspects, FIFA/UEFA.
2) Also, just a random question to anyone in the know:
If there was a member of staff who worked for the SFA who was disgusted at the rule breaking etc., would they be given ‘whistle blower’ protection – if that is relevant ?
[Very hypothetical (!) and assuming of course that a media outlet would be interested in reporting any SFA leaks.]
gents just a post to check my old RTC log in still works
bjay @ 22:17
That may be the case for a first time oversight, but would a serial offender be given the same leeway
I very much doubt it
What makes this situation worse, is that the serial offender is actually being helped by the bodies who are supposed to be enforcing the rules
The BBC can be fined for inaccurate reporting, something which can happen if they fail to react correctly to people pointing out factual inaccuracies or bias on their web site.
Surprising then that they should have a story about Motherwell playing in the cup on the Second Division page for Scottish Football which is also on the overall UK football page.
‘….and caused no obvious disadvantage ..’
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In the same way that non-disclosure to the SFA of how much they were actually paying their EBT players caused no disadvantage?
Templeton is, by most accounts, a talented, perhaps gifted, player.
If , in their desire to screw Heartsinto accepting a low price, the transfer negotiating team missed the deadline by taking discussions into ‘extra time’, the SFA have ( surprise, surprise) given them an advantage to the disadvantage of the teams against whom Templeton will be fielded.
And, into the bargain, disregarded their own transfer ban, as has been remarked upon.
That’s the trouble the SFA face.
Having been complicit in cheatery, no one with any degree of savvy will believe anything they now may say.
And ‘moving on’ is not the correct response.
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:17
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Thanks bjay,
Completely agree. There’s no point in pursuing this one !
Concentration should be on the money trail rather than the football trail. At this point in time, distractions like this will be Manna from Heaven to CG/ AMcC /SFA / SPL, etc.
Let’s not take our eyes off the ball ?
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:24
‘..If there was a member of staff who worked for the SFA who was disgusted at the rule breaking etc., would they be given ‘whistle blower’ protection – if that is relevant ?’
—Aw, come on, Stevie BC. Share your disgust and blow your whistle! 🙂
Thanks john got it ordered
Re Templeton signing
We are focussing on the wrong ball
Who cares who signs for Sevco and whether the process followed the rules ?
Has nobody learned anything in the past 6 months?
There ARE no rules as long as corruption is endemic at the SFA
Corruption means “No rules”
Continual corruption means rules are abused continually
Scotland has the football equivalent of the Blair WMD scandal.
Corrupt to the core
Fans need to pressure clubs to fire every hired hand at the SPL SFL and SFA and start afresh .
If the clubs won`t do it we walk away
Starting with international matches and then with non ST attendees on pre announced “Walk Away Days”
Its as simple as that
It worked before and it will work again
Good Evening,
I wonder how many people recall who won the Oscar for best supporting actor in 1973.
I will give you a clue— the gent concerned has been described as a Romanian born British American Actor, was a pioneering partner of Orson Welles during his early career, and the film concerned was a legal based drama– which was later revived as a television series for a short time.
Now this was not your normal kind of legal drama based in the criminal court like Parry Mason or Petrocelli ( if you don’t who they are look them up )— no this was a legal drama based on the really exciting legal world of contract and the rights granted under the common law. In England, rights under Common Law are called Torts– In Scotland we call it the law of Delict.
Either way, Contract and Delict are not exactly the most riveting of topics for a drama– in fact many people — including many lawyers—- would describe this branch of the law as deadly dull!!!
Anyway, the actor concerned was John Houseman, and he won an Oscar for his portrayal of the brilliant, autocratic, domineering, mystical and intimidating Professor Charles Kingsfield — a man who seemed to know the details of every reported case concerning the American equivalent of Contract and Delict, and who could clearly explain the most complex or simple of legal principles, and as such someone who could keep someone right and who could examine complex factual situations and state clearly how the law would apply in the circumstances.
Riveting stuff eh?
Well it was actually– and it was a far more accurate portrayal of the life of many lawyers than the average crime based dramas. Further, the name of the film aptly described the real life experience of many lawyers who deal in the worlds of contract and delict.
The Film was called………. The Paper Chase!!!
Now that it has been settled which league The Rangers Football club will play in, That the transfer window has been and gone, that the Champions League qualifiers have been decided, that the Olymoics are finished and so on……. just what will dominate the back pages of the broadsheets and ragtops in the weeks to come?
Well there is the Champions League Group stages, The World Cup qualifiers, the Ryder Cup, The SPL, The SFL, The Ramsdens Cup and even Andy Murray in the US Open for a short while at least.
However, my bet for what will dominate the back pages?……. well that would be that little known sport known as……………… The Paper Chase!!!!
You see we are about to enter a strange new phase in this saga where for most of us there are—- to quote ex Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld—- the known Knowns, The known Unknowns, and the Unknown Unknowns.
We know there was an EBT scheme, we know certain people were rewarded or paid through that scheme and many of us believe that scheme to have been operated illegally with the result that a huge amount is due in unpaid tax and that Rangers FC operated in a manner which is contrary to the rules of football.
What we don’t know, is exactly how that scheme was operated in each and every case that has -so far- been revealed, nor who exactly was involved or responsible for the scheme and its operation. That kind of thing is a known unknown.
Then……. over and above those two…. there are the those things that may yet turn out to be a complete surprise… those things that can only become clear once someone has fought their way through the minute detail of………… The Paper Chase.
Such unknown unknowns may in fact have nothing to do with tax or EBT’s altogether, and may be things which are revealed purely as an aside to the main issues of the big tax case. Yet they may turn out to be very interesting and hugely significant matters in another context.
The operation of contracts of Employment, Football transfers, Football registrations and licences, money transfers, agents payments, EBT loan applications,recommendations and payments,tax returns,inter company transfers,expenses claims,mortgage applications (involving declaration of salary), investments,HP agreements,bank lodgements and withdrawels….. and all ancilliary matters……….don’t just happen because someone wishes them or thinks them up. For any of these things to happen there has to be paperwork, and more paperwork to back up the first paperwork and then further paperwork which is generated because of the transaction concerned and the paperwork that caused that to happen.
The Big Tax case will involve a plethora of paperwork. However, remember that the paperwork concerned will only be that paperwork that HMRC had access to and the paperwork which was voluntarily produced by MIH and perhaps Rangers PLC in support of their arguments and contentions. Anything that was not in the best interests of Rangers PLC could be left safely in a drawer far out of sight.
However, all Rangers PLC paperwork going back years should have been available to Duff & Phelps as Administrators of the company, and woe betide them as appointed officers of the court if it is later discovered that they have misplaced,lost, destroyed or damaged any paperwork which may be the subject of any investigation by the eventual liquidators.
In fact, it may well be that BDO will even investigate what happened during the Administration as well as what occurred beforehand.
What is ceratin, is that the decision in the FTT will go into hitherto unexplored and unpublicised detail, and I believe that detail will reveal and fleshout known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns.
However, the up and coming SPL enquiry has a huge range of powers of investigation as can be seen by any examination of the SPL rules— including the power to take evidence from anyone involved in the game at the relevent time.
So, if for example, that enquiry demanded to see say Walter Smith, then should he turn up then Walter would be asked all sorts of potentially awkward questions. Of course, Walter could refuse to testify………. but then what inference would you draw from such a stance?
Further, all of the matters under investigation occurred under the watchful eye of the SFA. How did that happen? Did the SFA fail in its duties as a licensing body? A regulatory body? An administrative body?
Were the personnell of the SFA negligent in any way? Were they complicit? Were they conflicted,compromised, deceived or misled at any time, and if so by whom, when, for what purpose and with what result?
What paperwork did the SFA have, who gave it to them, how does it compare with tax returns,bank transfers and payments and agreements between the club and player?
Oh….. and of course……….. once all the paperwork and the detail has been exposed and the minutiae of the known knowns, the known unknows, and the unknown unknowns have been revealed………… how will all that stand when scrutinised against the various and numerous statements made through the press over the years by the named and unamed sources so oft quoted in our newspapers?
Contract and Delict, Tax, Licensing and Registration Procedures……. deadly dull and boring stuff………… from which you just might get some truly high drama!
The Paper Chase……..coming to a screen near you……. soon enough!
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:55
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paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:48
I think you picked up my sentiment wrong.
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You’ve done it again! You are just toooo subtle!
liveinhope says:September 5, 2012 at 21:23
no i just put up my last post by rubbing 2 apples together seemed to work I have tried a google search but no luck thanks for all your help
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Try this and then liveinhope !
I am writing to you in order to seek clarification on a matter regarding Rangers Football Club (currently in Administration, awaiting liquidation), and The Rangers Football Club.
The former company (now re-named RFC 2012 plc), will shortly be liquidated, leaving behind it a trail of unpaid debts to both private creditors and HMRC, estimated to be in a a range between £70m and £140m.
I am at a loss to understand how a new company calling itself “The Rangers Football Club” can possibly be trading legally under this near-identical name, plying the same trade, from the same premises, wearing the same company uniform, employing many of the same employees and presenting itself to all in sundry as the same (old) club.
As a mere layman, my understanding of commercial law does not run particularly deep, but if this is not a blatant example of a phoenix company then I really do not understand what more they could do to make it so.
I do understand that there are now different director(s) at the helm of the company, but given that Charles Green has been on record as stating that he became involved in the day to day running of the old club shortly after administration, but months before liquidation, I’d have thought that that, in effect, would have made him a “shadow director” of the old company?
I am, in equal measures, astounded and disgusted that a company who’s mismanagement and theft from the public purse which has cost each and everyone of us dearly should, to all intents and purposes, be allowed to carry on as if nothing happened.
I look forward to your reply,
Yours sincerely,
Bestdressedchicken
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Today I received a reply.
The reply is marked private and confidential, which I must respect, but I can paraphrase..
Dear Bestdressedchicken,
The Scottish Government seeks to allow the SFA to rule its own procedures and mechanisms without any governmental interference.
FIFA does not take kindly to interference from external governmental bodies in its affairs.
The Scottish Government is committed to sport and football is at the heart of that commitment.
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And that’s it.
Insipid, dismissive and completely failing to addressing any of the points in the e-mail, which in my opinion have nothing to do with football whatsoever.,,nothing to see here, move along quietly, we’re not looking so best you don’t either.
Is there any actual evidence of Alex Salmond’s “go easy on them” talk with HMRC or is it all speculation?
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
Is there any actual evidence of Alex Salmond’s “go easy on them” talk with HMRC or is it all speculation?
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An FOI request was refused because it could be detrimental to Scottish?UK government relations(paraphrased)
It does not answer your question but it surely tells us that something of an embarrassing or incriminating nature was said.
Well, it tells me that, anyway.
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The whole of Scottish Football has been subjected to the biggest sporting conspiracy, scandal and fraud that has ever taken place.
While Rangers Football Club are obviously the largest single factor they have been ably assisted at every stage by the a fully conspiring MSM who have failed to ask even one intrusive question on the matter and the Scottish Football Organisations SPL/SFA/SL, who have failed completely to apply their own rules and have allowed anarchy to take place.
Even the Watergate Scandal only came to light because of the intrusive journalism which was carried out by the Washington Post despite the “Establishment” doing everything they could to destroy the investigation.
Meanwhile hear in Scotland with a few exceptions in the MSM and the perseverance of the “Internet Bampots” noyhing of this scandal would have got into the public domain apart from the minor financial indescretion of Rangers Football Club of defrauding their creditors of £134 million.
While the road ahead may well be long, it is imperative that all decent football supporters continue in their efforts to ensure that all guilty parties are brought to justice.
Good posts and arguments, guys, but I’m still hopeful that a wee victory somewhere might be the start of bringing the whole lot crashing down.
There might be a drip effect to come when so many instances of favouritism, rule bending/breaking and affrontory just get too much for some of the clubs and chairman who are so far suffering in silence.
Despite the reluctance of the msm to report or question so far, we may be seeing the beginnings of some slight changes in attitude (even Traynor?). Things like the Brechin “trialists”, no action against certain singing habits, or late registrations, can be challenged and proven, even if it is some time in the future, and might chip away at the silence and complicity.
If these things get more talked about and kept in the public eye then you never know, someone may break ranks to try to save themselves.
We can only do what we can do, and all that I can do is keep trying to get some questions out there.
Alternatively, I suspect that the fear factor is a huge motivator in all this, and that clubs are hoping that given time and enough rope, TRFC will cease to be the problem it is, or it will just cease to be. TRFC fans may also have a point that the other clubs will be grateful for any additional income this might bring in the meantime.
The lack of an immediate reponse to the rise of Sevco and the associated problematic behaviour, as assisted by the football authorities and the media, leads me to think that there is a long game being played here by those involved who still have sporting integrity at heart. Jim Spence’s claim that a significnat number of clubs will not accept early restructuring is a case in point.
As no one party is prepared to be the one that pulls the plug though – our role should still be one of raising the issues, asking the questions, and when TRFC fail again and the SFA / msm need to face their failings, keeping the focus on the reasons why.
For these reasons, I’m against dropping or forgetting any of the issues that should be questioned.
I’ll be adding the Templeton registration to the spreadsheet of shame.
Have just listened to SSB with HK on ITunes. I’ve actually warmed to him tonight !
Times are a changin’ !
Something seems to be in the air !
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
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Another fine post, reminding us that the real facts in all of these matters will emerge.
(I followed avidly the ‘Paper Chase’ Tv series in the late ’70s. It would be interesting to explore whether there was a noticeable increase in the number of applications to Law Faculties in the States when it was running, because it was quite an inspiring programme, even for me).
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
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The Scottish Gov = The SNP = Politicians
Politicians are concerned about one thing and one thing only
Will their response influence your vote?
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Nuff Said
Carl31. OT but I loved the use of fora instead of commonly used forums, when we forget our grammar and spelling and our Latin and where our words come from, it’s a surrender to barbarianism and an ignorance of the structure of our language. MSM take note. As someone on RTC previously quoted Cato ‘Delenda est Carthago’ Give me pedantry or give me Death.
Trying to do a wee bit of digging into income streams at Ibrox and who benefits.
Could someone give me an idea of where I might find who owns the catering franchise and who benefits from liquor and food sales. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I might have something to post on this a bit later.
PS. Please stick with me on this. I can assure you it is relevant to the purpose of the blog
Captain Haddock says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:35
For these reasons, I’m against dropping or forgetting any of the issues that should be questioned.
I’ll be adding the Templeton registration to the spreadsheet of shame.
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I can’t disagree Sir !
I just thought it was a distraction to the main point, but you are right in saying it should not be forgotten.
Also agree that recent MSM soundbites seem to be more hardening.
I posted earlier about HK on SSB. I’ve never heard him talk like that before !
Could be the start of something good ?
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:54
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PS. Please stick with me on this. I can assure you it is relevant to the purpose of the blog
Trying to do a wee bit of digging into income streams at Ibrox and who benefits.
Could someone give me an idea of where I might find who owns the catering franchise and who benefits from liquor and food sales. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I might have something to post on this a bit later
PS. Please stick with me on this. I can assure you it is relevant to the purpose of the blog
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bjay,
I can’t help you, but I wish you well on this if you are serious !
Cheers
Apologies if this has already been noted, my immediate reaction to Phil McG’s ‘Downfall’ was to reflect on the recent foreign film masterpiece staring Bruno Ganz, which has been lampooned multiple times all freely available on the internet.
Just as Bruno Ganz’s character wanted all the money and to rule the world, money is the key to getting Scottish Football to change, emails and pointing out other people’s failings will just butt up against an organisation populated by managers with a bolier-plated brass neck.
Money rules; morals , principals , and doing the right thing in most walks of life come a poor second.
A mass boycott of Scottish international matches will hit the SFA in the pocket, however the deafening silence of the Tartan Army represents a ‘national’ support who don’t give a toss about the future of the game. So a boycott will not happen.
I’m afraid that the dominance of Celtic and ‘Rgers’ (as was) simply divides the country in football terms , so the wider football fan base cannot go for the jugular with the SFA, as to really stick it to Rgers , sort of means that you are on Celtic’s side. I am hopefiul that a consensus can develop in Scottish football, how do we get a better game and train our efforts on preventing a fix to allow Rgers (as was) to jump a few divisions.
As a suuporter of one of Scotland’s “Diddy” teams for the last 50 years and season ticket holder for about 30 years, I have never been closer to giving up supporting the game I love, when there was still a possibilty of Rangers Tribute Act being allowed membership of the SPL this year, despite the endless list of “indescretions” that they are guilty of.
Thankfully the SL League Chairman did not go along with this charade and demoted them to SL3, which was leniency in the extreme, when they should have been relegated to the lowest level within Scottish Football.
Unfortunately all these nice football clubs within SL3 will be subjected to two visits a year from Rangers Tribute Act and be subjected to the full vigours of their songbook.
There is no place in football for this “minority” supporter who spread a cancer through Scottish Football.
We can but dream that the Scottish Football Authorites and Police Forces in Scotland will actually
take some action against this “minority”
In the meantime I can take satisfaction that I will not be subjected to this behaviour for at least the nnext 3 years, unless the Rangers Tribute Act are fast tracked back to the SPL by our corrupted football authorities.
Longtime lurker.
Could you elaborate on your response or point me in the right direction. (Close and Azure)
And yes I am serious but need a bit of guidance.
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
‘And that’s it.
Insipid, dismissive and completely failing to addressing any of the points in the e-mail, which in
my opinion have nothing to do with football whatsoever.,,nothing to see here, move along quietly, we’re not looking so best you don’t either…’
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Well done for writing .
I wish many more of us as individuals, not as an ‘organised campaign’ ( we have seen how this Government can dismiss a huge response to a ‘consultation’ on the grounds that it was an ‘orchestrated’ response!) would write.
However, the reply you got to your letter, and the replies I got from the BBC , tell us that no public figure in Scotland is going to put himself at risk, career-wise or socially, by causing difficulties for a specific section of the populace ( which includes powerful men in the business and political world as well as their knuckle-dragging serfs).
The preservation and protection of a particular football club transcends the ordinary political and social differences, such that a SNP First Minister and Government are happy to accommodate the baseness of arch anti-nationalists as well as defer to the more polished lying and deceitful board-room executives who have virtually destroyed any notion of sporting integrity in the Administration of Scottish football..
It’s a ‘Mad world, my masters’, I fear.
M8 Dreamer
Sorry but there is no such thing as a “diddy” team and I really wish that term was expunged from common parlance!
Do not walk away from your team, your community, your heritage, your choice, your social and sporting pastime… because more than anything else that will be a victory for those who would run the game arrogantly, with self interest and negligently.
Protest, complain, boycott or whatever by all means, but do not walk away because the game itself needs you and tens of thousands like you!
john clarke says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:15
However, the reply you got to your letter, and the replies I got from the BBC , tell us that no public figure in Scotland is going to put himself at risk, career-wise or socially, by causing difficulties for a specific section of the populace ( which includes powerful men in the business and political world as well as their knuckle-dragging serfs).
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It is not easy to speak out against those who make it clear from the ‘get-go’ that they know where you live.
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:43
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Speaking to RangersTV, McCoist said: “It’s bizarre. I have noticed that in some sections people are annoyed at the way our fans have reacted.
“We are where we are. We said we would accept it. The fans wanted it and the fans got it.
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Ally and the fans wanted to go to the third division?
Not any more than they would want a boil on their arses.
Realising that the third division looked inevitable, they decided to pretend that’s what they wanted all along.
Their constant whinging and moaning about the ‘hatred’ from other fans that caused them to end up in division three tells its own story.
iki says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:23
‘It is not easy to speak out against those who make it clear from the ‘get-go’ that they know where you live.’
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I know.
I myself thought long and hard before giving my real name even to my MP and the BBC and especially the newspapers.
These places all have staff who might leak details, accidentally or on purpose. And I’m in relatively safe Edinburgh!
No one should put his personal safety at risk over a footballing issue.
It is, however, a shocking indictment of the ‘best wee country in the world’ that we have to think in such a way, and have had to think in that way for generations.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
Your posts are the literary equivalent of the dance of the seven veils! Always enticing, teasing and tantalising.
Always enlightening, thoughtful and veritable also however. Many thanks for your efforts to date as they play an integral part not only in illuminating but keeping this blog on track also.
None more so than your latest effort re the paper chase ….. to elaborate further, the parallels with the rise and downfall of Al Capone exhibit an extraordinary level of irony when reviewing the rise and downfall of a certain David Murray.
Despite corrupt practices, media supplicancy, collaboration of legislative/policing bodies and an enthralled fan base it was ultimately the paper chase that ‘nailed’ him and his organisation.
EKBhoy says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:07
‘so the wider football fan base cannot go for the jugular with the SFA, as to really stick it to Rgers , sort of means that you are on Celtic’s side…’
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That is a very perceptive observation, EKBhoy.
The reason why Celtic FC do not ‘speak out’ is precisely because it is not a Celtic-Rangers matter, and for them to speak out would undoubtedly divert people from the central issue.
It has repeatedly been stated by me and others, that this blog is not about taking sides as between Celtic and Rangers.
The SPL chairmen did not take sides as between Celtic and Rangers.
The SFA DID take sides.
But NOT between Celtic and Rangers, but between Rangers and EVERY other club, and between sporting integrity and cheatery.
There have been repeated attempts , even on this blog, to suggest that the perfectly legitimate attempts to unearth the degree to which the SFA and the MSM and significant political figures corruptly favour one club, is no more than a witch-h.nt instigated by Celtic supporters.
Now, it would be idle to deny that many Celtic supporters are delighted at the ‘downfall’ of their principal footballing rival.
But their delight did not CAUSE the downfall.
It would likewise be idle to deny that the collective memory of Celtic supporters is that the SFA has been corruptly in favour of one club over every other club.
But there is now, for all to see, at least prima facie evidence that that has in fact been the case!
The strength of this blog has been that , as the facts have begun to appear and have been recognised by other clubs as having nothing to do with Celtic’paranoia’, it has stuck to trying to ask questions that the MSM don’t ask as to how the SFA has behaved.
And posters who have no particular interest in Celtic have in the main been as indignant and angry at both Rangers and the SFA as any paranoid Celtic supporter.
They know that their clubs have been abused and treated contemptuously by both RFC(IA) and the SFA. They want things to change.
In wanting that, they are not taking the side of Celtic, but the side of truth and fairness in sport.
Re: subliminals and such, anyone care to comment on the rumor that if you read “Downfall” backwards it says, “Rangers are dead.”
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:18
BRTH,
Many of us self proclaimed “Diddys” wear the label as an ironic badge of honour. We are attempting to claim ownership of an insult that has been used against us.
We have something they will never have, the deep melancholic gallows bond that forms from watching your team week in, week out, year in, year out, with only the smallest chance of any hint of success.
Diddy and proud I say! 🙂
Morning all,
This is not going to be the most insightful post but for what it is worth I have occasionally posted on RTC and you may know that i remain a very passionate Aberdeen & Scotland supporter despite now having the fortunate to reside in Christchurch, New Zealand.
I travelled home and away for a number of years supporting Scotland rarely if ever missing a home game – even friendlies. Even after emmigrating 8 years ago I have got up at all hours of the morning to watch Scotland on ESPN, computer and even on occasions via text updates on BBC. Often wearing a kilt, top, flag etc and it has been known for me to ge a hiding from my wife in the morning for waking up the kids at 4.00 am after celebrating a goal or telling the referee where to stick his whistle.
Anyway for the first time in my life, and I am 42, I cannot get any enthusiasm whatsoever for a Scotland game. I never thought I would say this but I do not know whether I want Scotland to win or lose. I don’t know if I want a full house or not. I do know whatever happens good or bad that the MSM will put a positive spin on the importance of TTFNAR to the national game and it makes me sick.
I am sick that the majority are being ignored. I am sick of the MSM, I am sick of the SFA, SPl, SFL, i am sick of the silence, I am sick of jabba, the bullies, the cowards, the ex-players, the arrogance, the greed, the politicians. I am particularly sick that I feel so glad to be living so far away from a country that seems to want to protect a “culture” and attitude that disgusts and repels most or all good people.
What the hell is this all about.?
Please give me my game and my country back.
bestdressedchicken:
Perhaps you should reply that this is NOT a footballing question. It is a question of whether a business can trade under the name of a company which is in the throes of liquidation.
It is not a question for the SFA. It is a matter of law.
Any given business must adhere to legal requirements. That is not government interference, it is the law of the land.
Is the Scottish Government saying that the SFA are above the law of the land?
Nice to see how the Scottish Government replies to that one.
If various personnel associated with RFCia are charged with fraud, tax evasion etc…., would that also be left to the SFA?
I guess I should buy shares in Egg producing companies in Scotland. There are certainly lots of chickens over there. And as chickens do, if you leave them all to it, they seem to find their way into some very lofty positions.
Carl31. OT but I loved the use of fora instead of commonly used forums, when we forget our grammar and spelling and our Latin and where our words come from, it’s a surrender to barbarianism and an ignorance of the structure of our language.
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OT still …
I have to disagree. “Forums” is a perfectly acceptable plural form of “forum”. Certainly the Latin plural is entirely correct, but the word has been subsumed into modern English and therefore sticking an “s” on the end is not a grammatical or spelling error.
Conversely and vaguely hypocritically, the one that annoys me is the use of “media” to refer to one medium. 😉
(I would just like to add that only a few weeks ago I had a marvellous time wandering about the Fora Imperiali and Via Appia Antica in Rome attempting to decipher the inscriptions on the triumphal arches and tombs without the use of a guidebook. Those bloody abbreviations! 🙂 )
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
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As ever a heart warming post from BRTH. After months of this farce i have found myself resiting from posting on here and other blogs and sending off emails to all and sundry as continually we fall on deaf ears. BRTH posts (and others) gives me knew found hope each time i read such a clear outline of the scandal that is Scottish Football.
Some will be aware of my involvement in football at a Boys Club level and the administrative nightmare that has become. (We recieved another fine for failure to show at a recent league meeting even though our volunteers already give up 2 nights a week and both weekends!!).
I spoke to my SFA rep(Coach development ) last week and commented on the RFC/ SEVCO Affair and how my amateur boys club needs to provide paperwork and the like to operate within the confines of Youth Football yet the biggest most succesful club in our country (aye right!!) dead but now reincarnate are allowed to operate outwith the rules and regulations of our main governing body and football leagues. he could not offer an explanation or answer,other than “i know its shocking” . The people at this level are also fed up . They are trying to promote football as a Sport encouraging all the positives it brings whilst trying to hide from the complete sham and corruption of its Masters(SFA etc).
Hopefully the paper trail start the real Downfall and ultimate collapse. If the paperwork at Senior level is anything like the tons i have gathered over the years at our low level then they will be held bang to rights. It will be interesting to see what documents are missing and from whom. If there are no duplicate or triplicate copies of any document that can only mean corruption (or really poor admin Campbell) from said missing party.
Final comment is that how do i motivate young players who are very talented by saying they could make it big in the game and go on to play at the highest level when some of our current stars reckon that is Division 3???? Abandoning all international ambitions. The country needs them??? (Aye Right)
M8
Good stuff, I sometimes wonder just how the Watergate affair might have developed if there were Internet Bampots crawling all over it.
BRTH
Great stuff as ever, also remember a movie, think it was called Class Action where the prosecuting team ask for some documents, thinking they will get little or nothing and 2 vanloads turn up in an attempt to drown them in paperwork.
Irony is wonderful isn’t it 🙂
CARLOS BOCANEGRA could be back at Rangers next week after it emerged his move to Spain is in danger of collapsing.
The USA skipper’s season-long loan deal with Racing Santander is in the balance because of an administrative botch-up by the second division outfit.
The Spanish FA are now seeking permission from FIFA to rubber-stamp the deal despite a delay in filing the paperwork ahead of the transfer deadline.
If that fails Bocanegra will be back at Ibrox next week. A Gers source said: “There has been a hitch at their end. We’re unsure if the deal has gone through.”
I know that we have all be give false hope before but going on the latest updates the FTT decision is due in September then we have 25 sleeps to the end of the month. The end of the month is a Sunday so it is doubt the result will be released then. So lets make that 23 sleeps to Friday 28th. If I recall rightly the parties involved will get the results 7 days before the public so lets say the 21st. But is that working days? Could it be the 19th? Therefore possibly a around 13 sleeps for people with squeeky bums?
(PS I am reminded of the MIllenium Trilogy where Mickael Blomkvist aims to publish is expose at the same time as Lisbeth Salander’s trial. Is it coincidence or good planning that Downfall, out in a few days, and the proposed RTC book, possibly due in October , will form the bread on a nice juicy sandwich?)
Perhaps,rather than a mass e-mail campaign,we could ask the mods to construct 1 that the majority of the blog would agree with.
Like an e-mail to send to all 92 clubs asking how they would vote on a no-confidence motion of the SFA.It would interesting to see what kind of feedback we get from the clubs.
Can’t help thinking that Charlie wanted to be late with the Templeton signing. Having the door slammed shut would enable the sevco franchise to heap yet more ‘blame’ on the footballing authorities.
Imagine his disgust if the blazers invented the computer glitch just to let them in !!
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
Wonderful.
What do we reckon.- £5k or 10k a week.
An possible unplanned £260k to £520k a year for Mr Charles to find.
Bocanegra returning would be hailed as a new signing by Mr Charles:-D
Oops, mucked up the 😀
Schneeb says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:35
Wouldn’t be surprised given all the drivel coming out of Ibrox.
Mr Charles is going around saying he is cash rich, has the season ticket money in the bank and he has investors a plenty lined up.
He gets off to an early start by nabbing a few players from the SPL and signs the injury prone Kyle, he manages to offload some high earners through loans or pushing them out the door to save even more cash but then after signing Sebastien Faure on 21 August nothing. Then it is a mad scramble to agree terms with Templeton.
Now maybe Templeton and his agent were playing it for all they could but if you are the most financially secure club in Scotland surely a wee deal could have been done by 11:30 just to make sure everything went through by the deadline.
Let us not forget that they clearly had some spare cash in the wallet that must have been set aside for Ryan McGowan’s fees and wages being that he only spurned their advances a few hours earlier.
As I say the timing deadline thing isn’t the issue, it is the fact that money still appears to be tight down Govan way despite all the talk.
Another excellent post by BRTH. I think a lot of supporters are just looking at what has gone on so far, and are pretty reluctant to believe that a full, far and thorough investigation will take place on any level. So far we have been given no reason to believe that anyone in Scotland with any authority, will do the right thing and simply do their jobs without fear or favour. That is all that people want to happen. Not a witch hunt, just the application of rules and laws that the rest of us abide by.
Good Morning.
Another first class post from BRTH.
Follow the paper, follow the money, join up the dots, it will lead us to the guilty parties.
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
Their reputations are trashed but why would they bring this on themselves? What is it they value more than their reputations?
What is there to fear? The Truth?
Not long to go now!
Goosy 5th Sept @ 22.54.
You’re right. It’s the only way. Chairmen have to put the right people on SFA, SPL and SFL boards and committees to get the right thing done at the right time. We need to get out of this ordure, and make sure it doesn’t repeat. A level playing field for all, in every aspect of the sport. Anything else is only papering over the cracks.
Peter says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:14
Good stuff, I sometimes wonder just how the Watergate affair might have developed if there were Internet Bampots crawling all over it.
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The Watergate burglary and the subsequent scandals were revealed without the need for internet bampots because journalists were determined to investigate and were allowed to do so. Therein lies the difference between then and now.
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:19
….Even the Watergate Scandal only came to light because of the intrusive journalism which was carried out by the Washington Post despite the “Establishment” doing everything they could to destroy the investigation…
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I had the honour to meet Carl Bernstein a few years back. I asked him if at any time he, and bear in mind the presure he and Woodward were under, had felt like giving up in his pursuit of the truth behind Watergate.
A simple reply : “No”. A real journalist prepared to ask the difficult questions and take the heat.
Has anyone from the MSM asked McCoist if he had an EBT and if so how much had he paid back? No, didn’t think so. The MSM should hold their heads in shame.
BRTH – loved The Paper Chase!
/ Red Lichtie
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
Racing are a basket case of a club since an Indian “investment company” bought them beginning of last year. They immediately sacked their manager and started going downhill from then.
They appointed a new manager during this close season only for the guy (Unzue) to walk out as he had a disagreement with the “board” I say “board” as they don’t have any directors registered with the Spanish FA yet. Unzue has a signed contract but the club will not honour it so he is taking them to court. The local council are also taking the club to court on a seperate matter but for the love of me, I cannot remember what it was for. During Unzue’s short spell in the job, he set about signing players and getting rid of some to prepare themselves for this season in Segunda as they were relegated last year. He signed 7 players while he was employed as coach. He offloaded a fair few as well
The day after he walked out, Racing appointed Fabri as their new coach and now he is reorganising the playing squad which includes trying to get rid of the 7 players that Unzue signed.
The fans stage protests at every “board” meeting and home game and have actually managed to gain access to the meetings to pelt the attendees with eggs, fruit and anything else they can get their hands on.
The “board” members now have security guards to accompany their every move due to the hostility shown by the fans who are trying to save their club.
There’s plenty more available in the Spanish sports papers and press about this story but perhaps the club have reneged on Bocanegra’s contract and they are heavily in debt and IIRC, they missed players wages a couple of times last season.
Another excellent contribution from BRTH.
Clearly RTC, SFM and well-informed individuals continue to have a role in exposing the scandal relating to Rangers and Scottish football but, as inferred by BRTH, I think that many of us are relying on the liquidation process and the role of BDO in exposing this matter to the wider public and seeing guilty parties dealt with in a more satisfactory way.
Born out of ignorance, one concern I have in this regard is the cost of that process. I have no doubt that a paper chase, forensically executed, would unearth most of the scandal but I am ignorant of the process and am concerned about the cost and who pays for it. Is this an additional burden that falls to creditors? Does HMRC pay for the investigation?
I wouldn’t like our hopes to be shattered by conclusions reached that the cost of the subsequent enquiries were prohibitive and as a result the matter will not be further pursued “in the public interest”.
Can one of our experts put my mind at rest?
I think very little of BRTH’s “paper chase” – a great cointribution yesterday by BRTH – will ever see the light of day.
We have a whole mass of vested interests determined to hide most of what happened. We may see some individuals prosecuted from RFC, but I suspect the shenanigans and culture of the SFA and SPL and SFL and the directed and deliberately maladministered administration by D and P skewed to protect the future of Rangers and not the interests of the creditor will essentially be covered up. Lord Hodge will Ok their report and tell us all to move on. The extent of political interference, collusion and involvement will remain buried.
BDO will prove a very narrowly focused and selective “paper chase” – key individuals and their transactions only will be fully explored. Much will not be touched.
So, Whyte and Murray and possibly one or two others hung out to dry – the rest to be ignored – unless Daly or RTC or Alex Thomson can dig the dirt despite being hampered by the powers that be determined to keep it hidden.
CW says:
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Stopped listening to ssb this season, but can you enlighten me to what HK said last night which reflected in a mood swing.
Thanks
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
I got the same insipid standard reply.
What really ‘tickled me pink’ was the reference, at the end, to the monies granted are some of the proceeds of criminal ill-gotten gains which are pumped back into the game in Scotland – what a way to launder money.
For a while I thought the irony was intended but on reflection, the football world in Scotland is in such turmoil that the above quote is accepted as normal.
All in all it’s now a waste of time writing to the Scottish government – they are preoccupied governing some other country, possibly Somalia. .
Livenhope
Wrong day of the week to catch you
Apologies again
Try -The definitive Bioghraphy ,archie Macpherson
The Jock Stein Story -Archie MacPherson
can some one else also try this as it may be an issue with this type of book ,surely not again
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:46
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As I said before Steve…we are not in the inner circle…to engage with us runs the danger of exposing what is going on…that will never happen…the discussion needs to be exported beyond Scotland…
tomtom says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:43
Captain Haddock says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:44
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This is what’s wrong.D Utd,although cash strapped,seem quite happy to wait for their cash whilst as Tom Tom says CG spends more money than anyone else,with the exception of Celtic and not one voice is raised.
WE can assume that no timescale for payment of all football debts was set at the now infamous”5 way agreement”.In fact nothing was decided that would put obstacles in the way of Sevcos participation in Scottish Football.
THe SFA/SPL/SFL have stuck two fingers up at everyone.Sevco have no intention of paying anyone.That includes Rapid Vienna and the other foriegn clubs owed money.The SFA are willing to face the wrath of UEFA/FIFA rather than obstruct CGs plan.That’s if UEFA/FIFA can be bothered.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:55
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Thank God for that…
No problems fifa was in a bad mood anyway no harm done
liveinhope says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:02
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Thanks l.t.l see how its done fifa you ask a question and someone helps you out TAKE NOTE
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Bought it myself, always wanted to read this but never got round to buying it.
Thanks to the poster who brought this up tonight.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the Universe but when it comes to stupidity we have the SFA as a fine example.”
― Albert Einstein
I’m sure that’s what he said, I may have picked it up wrong
Hmmm
Re the Templeton did he or did he not sign debate please allow me to make a contribution.
I have a long number of years experience dealing with Court and other appellate bodies timetables. In every case the timetables for doing, not doing or making representations on matters were clearly laid down by law and statute. On occasions parties failed to comply with these timetables which on the face of it would generally mean that their case or action would be thrown out. However there was another road they could go down basically asking that their failure to act in time be ignored. Again generally speaking if they could show that their failure was minimal, outwith their control and caused no obvious disadvantage their failure would be permitted and everyone would simply accept it and move on. This is a situation well recorded in case law.
Turning to the matter in hand, namely the Templeton registration.
If it is accepted that the transfer was in actual fact lodged after midnight, but within 1 hour of the timetable, and that the failure was due to computer malfunction I would suggest that on the balance of probability the SFA would take legal advice. Any solicitor would be fully aware of case law and advise that the registration should be permitted.
Sorry for going on a bit and having simplified the legal position somewhat but I think we should just move on.
I can well understand that this post may receive many thumbs down but I am only trying to throw some light on this debacle and hope we can move on to the many more obvious items of maladministration in the whole RFC(IA) case
liveinhope says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:38
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I’ve just placed an order on Amazon for a second-hand (good condition) copy of ‘Jock Stein- the definitive biography) at £00.01, plus a couple of quid postage. There are still other second-hand copies available.
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:03
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:46
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As I said before Steve…we are not in the inner circle…to engage with us runs the danger of exposing what is going on…that will never happen…the discussion needs to be exported beyond Scotland…
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1) Agreed – but even Alex Thomson seems to have stepped back, [PMG book aside], so who will be interested in taking an active interest from outside Scotland ? And I of course discount the usual suspects, FIFA/UEFA.
2) Also, just a random question to anyone in the know:
If there was a member of staff who worked for the SFA who was disgusted at the rule breaking etc., would they be given ‘whistle blower’ protection – if that is relevant ?
[Very hypothetical (!) and assuming of course that a media outlet would be interested in reporting any SFA leaks.]
gents just a post to check my old RTC log in still works
bjay @ 22:17
That may be the case for a first time oversight, but would a serial offender be given the same leeway
I very much doubt it
What makes this situation worse, is that the serial offender is actually being helped by the bodies who are supposed to be enforcing the rules
The BBC can be fined for inaccurate reporting, something which can happen if they fail to react correctly to people pointing out factual inaccuracies or bias on their web site.
Surprising then that they should have a story about Motherwell playing in the cup on the Second Division page for Scottish Football which is also on the overall UK football page.
Just pointing it out like…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 22
‘….and caused no obvious disadvantage ..’
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In the same way that non-disclosure to the SFA of how much they were actually paying their EBT players caused no disadvantage?
Templeton is, by most accounts, a talented, perhaps gifted, player.
If , in their desire to screw Heartsinto accepting a low price, the transfer negotiating team missed the deadline by taking discussions into ‘extra time’, the SFA have ( surprise, surprise) given them an advantage to the disadvantage of the teams against whom Templeton will be fielded.
And, into the bargain, disregarded their own transfer ban, as has been remarked upon.
That’s the trouble the SFA face.
Having been complicit in cheatery, no one with any degree of savvy will believe anything they now may say.
And ‘moving on’ is not the correct response.
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:17
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Thanks bjay,
Completely agree. There’s no point in pursuing this one !
Concentration should be on the money trail rather than the football trail. At this point in time, distractions like this will be Manna from Heaven to CG/ AMcC /SFA / SPL, etc.
Let’s not take our eyes off the ball ?
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 22:24
‘..If there was a member of staff who worked for the SFA who was disgusted at the rule breaking etc., would they be given ‘whistle blower’ protection – if that is relevant ?’
—Aw, come on, Stevie BC. Share your disgust and blow your whistle! 🙂
Thanks john got it ordered
Re Templeton signing
We are focussing on the wrong ball
Who cares who signs for Sevco and whether the process followed the rules ?
Has nobody learned anything in the past 6 months?
There ARE no rules as long as corruption is endemic at the SFA
Corruption means “No rules”
Continual corruption means rules are abused continually
Scotland has the football equivalent of the Blair WMD scandal.
Corrupt to the core
Fans need to pressure clubs to fire every hired hand at the SPL SFL and SFA and start afresh .
If the clubs won`t do it we walk away
Starting with international matches and then with non ST attendees on pre announced “Walk Away Days”
Its as simple as that
It worked before and it will work again
Good Evening,
I wonder how many people recall who won the Oscar for best supporting actor in 1973.
I will give you a clue— the gent concerned has been described as a Romanian born British American Actor, was a pioneering partner of Orson Welles during his early career, and the film concerned was a legal based drama– which was later revived as a television series for a short time.
Now this was not your normal kind of legal drama based in the criminal court like Parry Mason or Petrocelli ( if you don’t who they are look them up )— no this was a legal drama based on the really exciting legal world of contract and the rights granted under the common law. In England, rights under Common Law are called Torts– In Scotland we call it the law of Delict.
Either way, Contract and Delict are not exactly the most riveting of topics for a drama– in fact many people — including many lawyers—- would describe this branch of the law as deadly dull!!!
Anyway, the actor concerned was John Houseman, and he won an Oscar for his portrayal of the brilliant, autocratic, domineering, mystical and intimidating Professor Charles Kingsfield — a man who seemed to know the details of every reported case concerning the American equivalent of Contract and Delict, and who could clearly explain the most complex or simple of legal principles, and as such someone who could keep someone right and who could examine complex factual situations and state clearly how the law would apply in the circumstances.
Riveting stuff eh?
Well it was actually– and it was a far more accurate portrayal of the life of many lawyers than the average crime based dramas. Further, the name of the film aptly described the real life experience of many lawyers who deal in the worlds of contract and delict.
The Film was called………. The Paper Chase!!!
Now that it has been settled which league The Rangers Football club will play in, That the transfer window has been and gone, that the Champions League qualifiers have been decided, that the Olymoics are finished and so on……. just what will dominate the back pages of the broadsheets and ragtops in the weeks to come?
Well there is the Champions League Group stages, The World Cup qualifiers, the Ryder Cup, The SPL, The SFL, The Ramsdens Cup and even Andy Murray in the US Open for a short while at least.
However, my bet for what will dominate the back pages?……. well that would be that little known sport known as……………… The Paper Chase!!!!
You see we are about to enter a strange new phase in this saga where for most of us there are—- to quote ex Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld—- the known Knowns, The known Unknowns, and the Unknown Unknowns.
We know there was an EBT scheme, we know certain people were rewarded or paid through that scheme and many of us believe that scheme to have been operated illegally with the result that a huge amount is due in unpaid tax and that Rangers FC operated in a manner which is contrary to the rules of football.
What we don’t know, is exactly how that scheme was operated in each and every case that has -so far- been revealed, nor who exactly was involved or responsible for the scheme and its operation. That kind of thing is a known unknown.
Then……. over and above those two…. there are the those things that may yet turn out to be a complete surprise… those things that can only become clear once someone has fought their way through the minute detail of………… The Paper Chase.
Such unknown unknowns may in fact have nothing to do with tax or EBT’s altogether, and may be things which are revealed purely as an aside to the main issues of the big tax case. Yet they may turn out to be very interesting and hugely significant matters in another context.
The operation of contracts of Employment, Football transfers, Football registrations and licences, money transfers, agents payments, EBT loan applications,recommendations and payments,tax returns,inter company transfers,expenses claims,mortgage applications (involving declaration of salary), investments,HP agreements,bank lodgements and withdrawels….. and all ancilliary matters……….don’t just happen because someone wishes them or thinks them up. For any of these things to happen there has to be paperwork, and more paperwork to back up the first paperwork and then further paperwork which is generated because of the transaction concerned and the paperwork that caused that to happen.
The Big Tax case will involve a plethora of paperwork. However, remember that the paperwork concerned will only be that paperwork that HMRC had access to and the paperwork which was voluntarily produced by MIH and perhaps Rangers PLC in support of their arguments and contentions. Anything that was not in the best interests of Rangers PLC could be left safely in a drawer far out of sight.
However, all Rangers PLC paperwork going back years should have been available to Duff & Phelps as Administrators of the company, and woe betide them as appointed officers of the court if it is later discovered that they have misplaced,lost, destroyed or damaged any paperwork which may be the subject of any investigation by the eventual liquidators.
In fact, it may well be that BDO will even investigate what happened during the Administration as well as what occurred beforehand.
What is ceratin, is that the decision in the FTT will go into hitherto unexplored and unpublicised detail, and I believe that detail will reveal and fleshout known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns.
However, the up and coming SPL enquiry has a huge range of powers of investigation as can be seen by any examination of the SPL rules— including the power to take evidence from anyone involved in the game at the relevent time.
So, if for example, that enquiry demanded to see say Walter Smith, then should he turn up then Walter would be asked all sorts of potentially awkward questions. Of course, Walter could refuse to testify………. but then what inference would you draw from such a stance?
Further, all of the matters under investigation occurred under the watchful eye of the SFA. How did that happen? Did the SFA fail in its duties as a licensing body? A regulatory body? An administrative body?
Were the personnell of the SFA negligent in any way? Were they complicit? Were they conflicted,compromised, deceived or misled at any time, and if so by whom, when, for what purpose and with what result?
What paperwork did the SFA have, who gave it to them, how does it compare with tax returns,bank transfers and payments and agreements between the club and player?
Oh….. and of course……….. once all the paperwork and the detail has been exposed and the minutiae of the known knowns, the known unknows, and the unknown unknowns have been revealed………… how will all that stand when scrutinised against the various and numerous statements made through the press over the years by the named and unamed sources so oft quoted in our newspapers?
Contract and Delict, Tax, Licensing and Registration Procedures……. deadly dull and boring stuff………… from which you just might get some truly high drama!
The Paper Chase……..coming to a screen near you……. soon enough!
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:55
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paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:48
I think you picked up my sentiment wrong.
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You’ve done it again! You are just toooo subtle!
liveinhope says:September 5, 2012 at 21:23
no i just put up my last post by rubbing 2 apples together seemed to work I have tried a google search but no luck thanks for all your help
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Try this and then liveinhope !
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jock-Stein-The-Definitive-Biography/dp/1905156375
A reply from the Scottish Government.
On the 8th of August I wrote:
Dear sirs,
I am writing to you in order to seek clarification on a matter regarding Rangers Football Club (currently in Administration, awaiting liquidation), and The Rangers Football Club.
The former company (now re-named RFC 2012 plc), will shortly be liquidated, leaving behind it a trail of unpaid debts to both private creditors and HMRC, estimated to be in a a range between £70m and £140m.
I am at a loss to understand how a new company calling itself “The Rangers Football Club” can possibly be trading legally under this near-identical name, plying the same trade, from the same premises, wearing the same company uniform, employing many of the same employees and presenting itself to all in sundry as the same (old) club.
As a mere layman, my understanding of commercial law does not run particularly deep, but if this is not a blatant example of a phoenix company then I really do not understand what more they could do to make it so.
I do understand that there are now different director(s) at the helm of the company, but given that Charles Green has been on record as stating that he became involved in the day to day running of the old club shortly after administration, but months before liquidation, I’d have thought that that, in effect, would have made him a “shadow director” of the old company?
I am, in equal measures, astounded and disgusted that a company who’s mismanagement and theft from the public purse which has cost each and everyone of us dearly should, to all intents and purposes, be allowed to carry on as if nothing happened.
I look forward to your reply,
Yours sincerely,
Bestdressedchicken
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Today I received a reply.
The reply is marked private and confidential, which I must respect, but I can paraphrase..
Dear Bestdressedchicken,
The Scottish Government seeks to allow the SFA to rule its own procedures and mechanisms without any governmental interference.
FIFA does not take kindly to interference from external governmental bodies in its affairs.
The Scottish Government is committed to sport and football is at the heart of that commitment.
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And that’s it.
Insipid, dismissive and completely failing to addressing any of the points in the e-mail, which in my opinion have nothing to do with football whatsoever.,,nothing to see here, move along quietly, we’re not looking so best you don’t either.
Is there any actual evidence of Alex Salmond’s “go easy on them” talk with HMRC or is it all speculation?
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
Is there any actual evidence of Alex Salmond’s “go easy on them” talk with HMRC or is it all speculation?
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An FOI request was refused because it could be detrimental to Scottish?UK government relations(paraphrased)
It does not answer your question but it surely tells us that something of an embarrassing or incriminating nature was said.
Well, it tells me that, anyway.
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The whole of Scottish Football has been subjected to the biggest sporting conspiracy, scandal and fraud that has ever taken place.
While Rangers Football Club are obviously the largest single factor they have been ably assisted at every stage by the a fully conspiring MSM who have failed to ask even one intrusive question on the matter and the Scottish Football Organisations SPL/SFA/SL, who have failed completely to apply their own rules and have allowed anarchy to take place.
Even the Watergate Scandal only came to light because of the intrusive journalism which was carried out by the Washington Post despite the “Establishment” doing everything they could to destroy the investigation.
Meanwhile hear in Scotland with a few exceptions in the MSM and the perseverance of the “Internet Bampots” noyhing of this scandal would have got into the public domain apart from the minor financial indescretion of Rangers Football Club of defrauding their creditors of £134 million.
While the road ahead may well be long, it is imperative that all decent football supporters continue in their efforts to ensure that all guilty parties are brought to justice.
M8 Dreamer & BRTH ………
Excellent reading – thank you.
CW / Bjay says
Good posts and arguments, guys, but I’m still hopeful that a wee victory somewhere might be the start of bringing the whole lot crashing down.
There might be a drip effect to come when so many instances of favouritism, rule bending/breaking and affrontory just get too much for some of the clubs and chairman who are so far suffering in silence.
Despite the reluctance of the msm to report or question so far, we may be seeing the beginnings of some slight changes in attitude (even Traynor?). Things like the Brechin “trialists”, no action against certain singing habits, or late registrations, can be challenged and proven, even if it is some time in the future, and might chip away at the silence and complicity.
If these things get more talked about and kept in the public eye then you never know, someone may break ranks to try to save themselves.
We can only do what we can do, and all that I can do is keep trying to get some questions out there.
Alternatively, I suspect that the fear factor is a huge motivator in all this, and that clubs are hoping that given time and enough rope, TRFC will cease to be the problem it is, or it will just cease to be. TRFC fans may also have a point that the other clubs will be grateful for any additional income this might bring in the meantime.
The lack of an immediate reponse to the rise of Sevco and the associated problematic behaviour, as assisted by the football authorities and the media, leads me to think that there is a long game being played here by those involved who still have sporting integrity at heart. Jim Spence’s claim that a significnat number of clubs will not accept early restructuring is a case in point.
As no one party is prepared to be the one that pulls the plug though – our role should still be one of raising the issues, asking the questions, and when TRFC fail again and the SFA / msm need to face their failings, keeping the focus on the reasons why.
For these reasons, I’m against dropping or forgetting any of the issues that should be questioned.
I’ll be adding the Templeton registration to the spreadsheet of shame.
Find it here
http://tinyurl.com/95adxoc
p.s.
Have just listened to SSB with HK on ITunes. I’ve actually warmed to him tonight !
Times are a changin’ !
Something seems to be in the air !
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
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Another fine post, reminding us that the real facts in all of these matters will emerge.
(I followed avidly the ‘Paper Chase’ Tv series in the late ’70s. It would be interesting to explore whether there was a noticeable increase in the number of applications to Law Faculties in the States when it was running, because it was quite an inspiring programme, even for me).
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
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The Scottish Gov = The SNP = Politicians
Politicians are concerned about one thing and one thing only
Will their response influence your vote?
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Nuff Said
Carl31. OT but I loved the use of fora instead of commonly used forums, when we forget our grammar and spelling and our Latin and where our words come from, it’s a surrender to barbarianism and an ignorance of the structure of our language. MSM take note. As someone on RTC previously quoted Cato ‘Delenda est Carthago’ Give me pedantry or give me Death.
Trying to do a wee bit of digging into income streams at Ibrox and who benefits.
Could someone give me an idea of where I might find who owns the catering franchise and who benefits from liquor and food sales. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I might have something to post on this a bit later.
PS. Please stick with me on this. I can assure you it is relevant to the purpose of the blog
Captain Haddock says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:35
For these reasons, I’m against dropping or forgetting any of the issues that should be questioned.
I’ll be adding the Templeton registration to the spreadsheet of shame.
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I can’t disagree Sir !
I just thought it was a distraction to the main point, but you are right in saying it should not be forgotten.
Also agree that recent MSM soundbites seem to be more hardening.
I posted earlier about HK on SSB. I’ve never heard him talk like that before !
Could be the start of something good ?
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:54
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Close and Azure.
bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:51
Trying to do a wee bit of digging into income streams at Ibrox and who benefits.
Could someone give me an idea of where I might find who owns the catering franchise and who benefits from liquor and food sales. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I might have something to post on this a bit later
PS. Please stick with me on this. I can assure you it is relevant to the purpose of the blog
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bjay,
I can’t help you, but I wish you well on this if you are serious !
Cheers
Apologies if this has already been noted, my immediate reaction to Phil McG’s ‘Downfall’ was to reflect on the recent foreign film masterpiece staring Bruno Ganz, which has been lampooned multiple times all freely available on the internet.
Just as Bruno Ganz’s character wanted all the money and to rule the world, money is the key to getting Scottish Football to change, emails and pointing out other people’s failings will just butt up against an organisation populated by managers with a bolier-plated brass neck.
Money rules; morals , principals , and doing the right thing in most walks of life come a poor second.
A mass boycott of Scottish international matches will hit the SFA in the pocket, however the deafening silence of the Tartan Army represents a ‘national’ support who don’t give a toss about the future of the game. So a boycott will not happen.
I’m afraid that the dominance of Celtic and ‘Rgers’ (as was) simply divides the country in football terms , so the wider football fan base cannot go for the jugular with the SFA, as to really stick it to Rgers , sort of means that you are on Celtic’s side. I am hopefiul that a consensus can develop in Scottish football, how do we get a better game and train our efforts on preventing a fix to allow Rgers (as was) to jump a few divisions.
As a suuporter of one of Scotland’s “Diddy” teams for the last 50 years and season ticket holder for about 30 years, I have never been closer to giving up supporting the game I love, when there was still a possibilty of Rangers Tribute Act being allowed membership of the SPL this year, despite the endless list of “indescretions” that they are guilty of.
Thankfully the SL League Chairman did not go along with this charade and demoted them to SL3, which was leniency in the extreme, when they should have been relegated to the lowest level within Scottish Football.
Unfortunately all these nice football clubs within SL3 will be subjected to two visits a year from Rangers Tribute Act and be subjected to the full vigours of their songbook.
There is no place in football for this “minority” supporter who spread a cancer through Scottish Football.
We can but dream that the Scottish Football Authorites and Police Forces in Scotland will actually
take some action against this “minority”
In the meantime I can take satisfaction that I will not be subjected to this behaviour for at least the nnext 3 years, unless the Rangers Tribute Act are fast tracked back to the SPL by our corrupted football authorities.
Longtime lurker.
Could you elaborate on your response or point me in the right direction. (Close and Azure)
And yes I am serious but need a bit of guidance.
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
‘And that’s it.
Insipid, dismissive and completely failing to addressing any of the points in the e-mail, which in
my opinion have nothing to do with football whatsoever.,,nothing to see here, move along quietly, we’re not looking so best you don’t either…’
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Well done for writing .
I wish many more of us as individuals, not as an ‘organised campaign’ ( we have seen how this Government can dismiss a huge response to a ‘consultation’ on the grounds that it was an ‘orchestrated’ response!) would write.
However, the reply you got to your letter, and the replies I got from the BBC , tell us that no public figure in Scotland is going to put himself at risk, career-wise or socially, by causing difficulties for a specific section of the populace ( which includes powerful men in the business and political world as well as their knuckle-dragging serfs).
The preservation and protection of a particular football club transcends the ordinary political and social differences, such that a SNP First Minister and Government are happy to accommodate the baseness of arch anti-nationalists as well as defer to the more polished lying and deceitful board-room executives who have virtually destroyed any notion of sporting integrity in the Administration of Scottish football..
It’s a ‘Mad world, my masters’, I fear.
M8 Dreamer
Sorry but there is no such thing as a “diddy” team and I really wish that term was expunged from common parlance!
Do not walk away from your team, your community, your heritage, your choice, your social and sporting pastime… because more than anything else that will be a victory for those who would run the game arrogantly, with self interest and negligently.
Protest, complain, boycott or whatever by all means, but do not walk away because the game itself needs you and tens of thousands like you!
john clarke says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:15
However, the reply you got to your letter, and the replies I got from the BBC , tell us that no public figure in Scotland is going to put himself at risk, career-wise or socially, by causing difficulties for a specific section of the populace ( which includes powerful men in the business and political world as well as their knuckle-dragging serfs).
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It is not easy to speak out against those who make it clear from the ‘get-go’ that they know where you live.
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:43
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Speaking to RangersTV, McCoist said: “It’s bizarre. I have noticed that in some sections people are annoyed at the way our fans have reacted.
“We are where we are. We said we would accept it. The fans wanted it and the fans got it.
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Ally and the fans wanted to go to the third division?
Not any more than they would want a boil on their arses.
Realising that the third division looked inevitable, they decided to pretend that’s what they wanted all along.
Their constant whinging and moaning about the ‘hatred’ from other fans that caused them to end up in division three tells its own story.
iki says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:23
‘It is not easy to speak out against those who make it clear from the ‘get-go’ that they know where you live.’
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I know.
I myself thought long and hard before giving my real name even to my MP and the BBC and especially the newspapers.
These places all have staff who might leak details, accidentally or on purpose. And I’m in relatively safe Edinburgh!
No one should put his personal safety at risk over a footballing issue.
It is, however, a shocking indictment of the ‘best wee country in the world’ that we have to think in such a way, and have had to think in that way for generations.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
Your posts are the literary equivalent of the dance of the seven veils! Always enticing, teasing and tantalising.
Always enlightening, thoughtful and veritable also however. Many thanks for your efforts to date as they play an integral part not only in illuminating but keeping this blog on track also.
None more so than your latest effort re the paper chase ….. to elaborate further, the parallels with the rise and downfall of Al Capone exhibit an extraordinary level of irony when reviewing the rise and downfall of a certain David Murray.
Despite corrupt practices, media supplicancy, collaboration of legislative/policing bodies and an enthralled fan base it was ultimately the paper chase that ‘nailed’ him and his organisation.
EKBhoy says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:07
‘so the wider football fan base cannot go for the jugular with the SFA, as to really stick it to Rgers , sort of means that you are on Celtic’s side…’
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That is a very perceptive observation, EKBhoy.
The reason why Celtic FC do not ‘speak out’ is precisely because it is not a Celtic-Rangers matter, and for them to speak out would undoubtedly divert people from the central issue.
It has repeatedly been stated by me and others, that this blog is not about taking sides as between Celtic and Rangers.
The SPL chairmen did not take sides as between Celtic and Rangers.
The SFA DID take sides.
But NOT between Celtic and Rangers, but between Rangers and EVERY other club, and between sporting integrity and cheatery.
There have been repeated attempts , even on this blog, to suggest that the perfectly legitimate attempts to unearth the degree to which the SFA and the MSM and significant political figures corruptly favour one club, is no more than a witch-h.nt instigated by Celtic supporters.
Now, it would be idle to deny that many Celtic supporters are delighted at the ‘downfall’ of their principal footballing rival.
But their delight did not CAUSE the downfall.
It would likewise be idle to deny that the collective memory of Celtic supporters is that the SFA has been corruptly in favour of one club over every other club.
But there is now, for all to see, at least prima facie evidence that that has in fact been the case!
The strength of this blog has been that , as the facts have begun to appear and have been recognised by other clubs as having nothing to do with Celtic’paranoia’, it has stuck to trying to ask questions that the MSM don’t ask as to how the SFA has behaved.
And posters who have no particular interest in Celtic have in the main been as indignant and angry at both Rangers and the SFA as any paranoid Celtic supporter.
They know that their clubs have been abused and treated contemptuously by both RFC(IA) and the SFA. They want things to change.
In wanting that, they are not taking the side of Celtic, but the side of truth and fairness in sport.
Re: subliminals and such, anyone care to comment on the rumor that if you read “Downfall” backwards it says, “Rangers are dead.”
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:18
BRTH,
Many of us self proclaimed “Diddys” wear the label as an ironic badge of honour. We are attempting to claim ownership of an insult that has been used against us.
We have something they will never have, the deep melancholic gallows bond that forms from watching your team week in, week out, year in, year out, with only the smallest chance of any hint of success.
Diddy and proud I say! 🙂
Morning all,
This is not going to be the most insightful post but for what it is worth I have occasionally posted on RTC and you may know that i remain a very passionate Aberdeen & Scotland supporter despite now having the fortunate to reside in Christchurch, New Zealand.
I travelled home and away for a number of years supporting Scotland rarely if ever missing a home game – even friendlies. Even after emmigrating 8 years ago I have got up at all hours of the morning to watch Scotland on ESPN, computer and even on occasions via text updates on BBC. Often wearing a kilt, top, flag etc and it has been known for me to ge a hiding from my wife in the morning for waking up the kids at 4.00 am after celebrating a goal or telling the referee where to stick his whistle.
Anyway for the first time in my life, and I am 42, I cannot get any enthusiasm whatsoever for a Scotland game. I never thought I would say this but I do not know whether I want Scotland to win or lose. I don’t know if I want a full house or not. I do know whatever happens good or bad that the MSM will put a positive spin on the importance of TTFNAR to the national game and it makes me sick.
I am sick that the majority are being ignored. I am sick of the MSM, I am sick of the SFA, SPl, SFL, i am sick of the silence, I am sick of jabba, the bullies, the cowards, the ex-players, the arrogance, the greed, the politicians. I am particularly sick that I feel so glad to be living so far away from a country that seems to want to protect a “culture” and attitude that disgusts and repels most or all good people.
What the hell is this all about.?
Please give me my game and my country back.
bestdressedchicken:
Perhaps you should reply that this is NOT a footballing question. It is a question of whether a business can trade under the name of a company which is in the throes of liquidation.
It is not a question for the SFA. It is a matter of law.
Any given business must adhere to legal requirements. That is not government interference, it is the law of the land.
Is the Scottish Government saying that the SFA are above the law of the land?
Nice to see how the Scottish Government replies to that one.
If various personnel associated with RFCia are charged with fraud, tax evasion etc…., would that also be left to the SFA?
I guess I should buy shares in Egg producing companies in Scotland. There are certainly lots of chickens over there. And as chickens do, if you leave them all to it, they seem to find their way into some very lofty positions.
http://www.azurecatering.co.uk/
http://www.closebrothers.com/
John clarke @ 02:02?
Dead on!
martin o’neill says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:48
Carl31. OT but I loved the use of fora instead of commonly used forums, when we forget our grammar and spelling and our Latin and where our words come from, it’s a surrender to barbarianism and an ignorance of the structure of our language.
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OT still …
I have to disagree. “Forums” is a perfectly acceptable plural form of “forum”. Certainly the Latin plural is entirely correct, but the word has been subsumed into modern English and therefore sticking an “s” on the end is not a grammatical or spelling error.
Conversely and vaguely hypocritically, the one that annoys me is the use of “media” to refer to one medium. 😉
(I would just like to add that only a few weeks ago I had a marvellous time wandering about the Fora Imperiali and Via Appia Antica in Rome attempting to decipher the inscriptions on the triumphal arches and tombs without the use of a guidebook. Those bloody abbreviations! 🙂 )
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:04
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As ever a heart warming post from BRTH. After months of this farce i have found myself resiting from posting on here and other blogs and sending off emails to all and sundry as continually we fall on deaf ears. BRTH posts (and others) gives me knew found hope each time i read such a clear outline of the scandal that is Scottish Football.
Some will be aware of my involvement in football at a Boys Club level and the administrative nightmare that has become. (We recieved another fine for failure to show at a recent league meeting even though our volunteers already give up 2 nights a week and both weekends!!).
I spoke to my SFA rep(Coach development ) last week and commented on the RFC/ SEVCO Affair and how my amateur boys club needs to provide paperwork and the like to operate within the confines of Youth Football yet the biggest most succesful club in our country (aye right!!) dead but now reincarnate are allowed to operate outwith the rules and regulations of our main governing body and football leagues. he could not offer an explanation or answer,other than “i know its shocking” . The people at this level are also fed up . They are trying to promote football as a Sport encouraging all the positives it brings whilst trying to hide from the complete sham and corruption of its Masters(SFA etc).
Hopefully the paper trail start the real Downfall and ultimate collapse. If the paperwork at Senior level is anything like the tons i have gathered over the years at our low level then they will be held bang to rights. It will be interesting to see what documents are missing and from whom. If there are no duplicate or triplicate copies of any document that can only mean corruption (or really poor admin Campbell) from said missing party.
Final comment is that how do i motivate young players who are very talented by saying they could make it big in the game and go on to play at the highest level when some of our current stars reckon that is Division 3???? Abandoning all international ambitions. The country needs them??? (Aye Right)
M8
Good stuff, I sometimes wonder just how the Watergate affair might have developed if there were Internet Bampots crawling all over it.
BRTH
Great stuff as ever, also remember a movie, think it was called Class Action where the prosecuting team ask for some documents, thinking they will get little or nothing and 2 vanloads turn up in an attempt to drown them in paperwork.
Irony is wonderful isn’t it 🙂
CARLOS BOCANEGRA could be back at Rangers next week after it emerged his move to Spain is in danger of collapsing.
The USA skipper’s season-long loan deal with Racing Santander is in the balance because of an administrative botch-up by the second division outfit.
The Spanish FA are now seeking permission from FIFA to rubber-stamp the deal despite a delay in filing the paperwork ahead of the transfer deadline.
If that fails Bocanegra will be back at Ibrox next week. A Gers source said: “There has been a hitch at their end. We’re unsure if the deal has gone through.”
I know that we have all be give false hope before but going on the latest updates the FTT decision is due in September then we have 25 sleeps to the end of the month. The end of the month is a Sunday so it is doubt the result will be released then. So lets make that 23 sleeps to Friday 28th. If I recall rightly the parties involved will get the results 7 days before the public so lets say the 21st. But is that working days? Could it be the 19th? Therefore possibly a around 13 sleeps for people with squeeky bums?
(PS I am reminded of the MIllenium Trilogy where Mickael Blomkvist aims to publish is expose at the same time as Lisbeth Salander’s trial. Is it coincidence or good planning that Downfall, out in a few days, and the proposed RTC book, possibly due in October , will form the bread on a nice juicy sandwich?)
Perhaps,rather than a mass e-mail campaign,we could ask the mods to construct 1 that the majority of the blog would agree with.
Like an e-mail to send to all 92 clubs asking how they would vote on a no-confidence motion of the SFA.It would interesting to see what kind of feedback we get from the clubs.
Can’t help thinking that Charlie wanted to be late with the Templeton signing. Having the door slammed shut would enable the sevco franchise to heap yet more ‘blame’ on the footballing authorities.
Imagine his disgust if the blazers invented the computer glitch just to let them in !!
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
Wonderful.
What do we reckon.- £5k or 10k a week.
An possible unplanned £260k to £520k a year for Mr Charles to find.
Bocanegra returning would be hailed as a new signing by Mr Charles:-D
Oops, mucked up the 😀
Schneeb says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:35
Wouldn’t be surprised given all the drivel coming out of Ibrox.
Mr Charles is going around saying he is cash rich, has the season ticket money in the bank and he has investors a plenty lined up.
He gets off to an early start by nabbing a few players from the SPL and signs the injury prone Kyle, he manages to offload some high earners through loans or pushing them out the door to save even more cash but then after signing Sebastien Faure on 21 August nothing. Then it is a mad scramble to agree terms with Templeton.
Now maybe Templeton and his agent were playing it for all they could but if you are the most financially secure club in Scotland surely a wee deal could have been done by 11:30 just to make sure everything went through by the deadline.
Let us not forget that they clearly had some spare cash in the wallet that must have been set aside for Ryan McGowan’s fees and wages being that he only spurned their advances a few hours earlier.
As I say the timing deadline thing isn’t the issue, it is the fact that money still appears to be tight down Govan way despite all the talk.
Another excellent post by BRTH. I think a lot of supporters are just looking at what has gone on so far, and are pretty reluctant to believe that a full, far and thorough investigation will take place on any level. So far we have been given no reason to believe that anyone in Scotland with any authority, will do the right thing and simply do their jobs without fear or favour. That is all that people want to happen. Not a witch hunt, just the application of rules and laws that the rest of us abide by.
Good Morning.
Another first class post from BRTH.
Follow the paper, follow the money, join up the dots, it will lead us to the guilty parties.
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
Their reputations are trashed but why would they bring this on themselves? What is it they value more than their reputations?
What is there to fear? The Truth?
Not long to go now!
Goosy 5th Sept @ 22.54.
You’re right. It’s the only way. Chairmen have to put the right people on SFA, SPL and SFL boards and committees to get the right thing done at the right time. We need to get out of this ordure, and make sure it doesn’t repeat. A level playing field for all, in every aspect of the sport. Anything else is only papering over the cracks.
Peter says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:14
Good stuff, I sometimes wonder just how the Watergate affair might have developed if there were Internet Bampots crawling all over it.
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The Watergate burglary and the subsequent scandals were revealed without the need for internet bampots because journalists were determined to investigate and were allowed to do so. Therein lies the difference between then and now.
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:19
….Even the Watergate Scandal only came to light because of the intrusive journalism which was carried out by the Washington Post despite the “Establishment” doing everything they could to destroy the investigation…
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I had the honour to meet Carl Bernstein a few years back. I asked him if at any time he, and bear in mind the presure he and Woodward were under, had felt like giving up in his pursuit of the truth behind Watergate.
A simple reply : “No”. A real journalist prepared to ask the difficult questions and take the heat.
Has anyone from the MSM asked McCoist if he had an EBT and if so how much had he paid back? No, didn’t think so. The MSM should hold their heads in shame.
BRTH – loved The Paper Chase!
/ Red Lichtie
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
Racing are a basket case of a club since an Indian “investment company” bought them beginning of last year. They immediately sacked their manager and started going downhill from then.
They appointed a new manager during this close season only for the guy (Unzue) to walk out as he had a disagreement with the “board” I say “board” as they don’t have any directors registered with the Spanish FA yet. Unzue has a signed contract but the club will not honour it so he is taking them to court. The local council are also taking the club to court on a seperate matter but for the love of me, I cannot remember what it was for. During Unzue’s short spell in the job, he set about signing players and getting rid of some to prepare themselves for this season in Segunda as they were relegated last year. He signed 7 players while he was employed as coach. He offloaded a fair few as well
The day after he walked out, Racing appointed Fabri as their new coach and now he is reorganising the playing squad which includes trying to get rid of the 7 players that Unzue signed.
The fans stage protests at every “board” meeting and home game and have actually managed to gain access to the meetings to pelt the attendees with eggs, fruit and anything else they can get their hands on.
The “board” members now have security guards to accompany their every move due to the hostility shown by the fans who are trying to save their club.
There’s plenty more available in the Spanish sports papers and press about this story but perhaps the club have reneged on Bocanegra’s contract and they are heavily in debt and IIRC, they missed players wages a couple of times last season.
Another excellent contribution from BRTH.
Clearly RTC, SFM and well-informed individuals continue to have a role in exposing the scandal relating to Rangers and Scottish football but, as inferred by BRTH, I think that many of us are relying on the liquidation process and the role of BDO in exposing this matter to the wider public and seeing guilty parties dealt with in a more satisfactory way.
Born out of ignorance, one concern I have in this regard is the cost of that process. I have no doubt that a paper chase, forensically executed, would unearth most of the scandal but I am ignorant of the process and am concerned about the cost and who pays for it. Is this an additional burden that falls to creditors? Does HMRC pay for the investigation?
I wouldn’t like our hopes to be shattered by conclusions reached that the cost of the subsequent enquiries were prohibitive and as a result the matter will not be further pursued “in the public interest”.
Can one of our experts put my mind at rest?
I think very little of BRTH’s “paper chase” – a great cointribution yesterday by BRTH – will ever see the light of day.
We have a whole mass of vested interests determined to hide most of what happened. We may see some individuals prosecuted from RFC, but I suspect the shenanigans and culture of the SFA and SPL and SFL and the directed and deliberately maladministered administration by D and P skewed to protect the future of Rangers and not the interests of the creditor will essentially be covered up. Lord Hodge will Ok their report and tell us all to move on. The extent of political interference, collusion and involvement will remain buried.
BDO will prove a very narrowly focused and selective “paper chase” – key individuals and their transactions only will be fully explored. Much will not be touched.
So, Whyte and Murray and possibly one or two others hung out to dry – the rest to be ignored – unless Daly or RTC or Alex Thomson can dig the dirt despite being hampered by the powers that be determined to keep it hidden.
CW says:
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Stopped listening to ssb this season, but can you enlighten me to what HK said last night which reflected in a mood swing.
Thanks
bestdressedchicken says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:08
I got the same insipid standard reply.
What really ‘tickled me pink’ was the reference, at the end, to the monies granted are some of the proceeds of criminal ill-gotten gains which are pumped back into the game in Scotland – what a way to launder money.
For a while I thought the irony was intended but on reflection, the football world in Scotland is in such turmoil that the above quote is accepted as normal.
All in all it’s now a waste of time writing to the Scottish government – they are preoccupied governing some other country, possibly Somalia. .