1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
The future of Scottish Football is seriously in doubt due the actions of the following 3 No organisations.
1. RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
2.MSM
3.SPL/SFA/SL
If we deal with them in order, a brief summary of their part in this curruption of Scottish Football is detailed below.
1. RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
a) £134 million of debt to HMRC/Football Clubs/Small Creditors due to the fraudulent actions
of SDM/CW as previous owners of RFC and those associated with them that allowed these
criminal events to occurr.
b) D and D who sold the complete assets of RFC to Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act for the
derisory sum of £5.5 million, which resulted in the creditors of RFC being robbed of the
true value of this asset.
c) Charles Green who has advised every Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act supporter that they are
the “victims” of a conspiracy against the remains of their football club and is currently
putting in place further steps to brainwash the deluded Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
supporters by signing players that are completely outwith the current income of the club.
He is also preparing for a “share” issue that will potentially make him and his associated
“investors” who mainly remain anonymus very rich and more than likely lead Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act into a further Administration/Liquidation.
d) Ally McCoist who has brought the game into disrepute on more than one occaasion,by
making statements that are false and encourage the less educated supporter of Sevco/
Rangers Tribute Act to believe that retribution should be taken against anyone, who dares
not to share their views and beliefs.
e) RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act supporters who continue to sing their “folk” songs
while mainly on their travels to away games and are just an embarassment to all Scottish
Football Suppporters.
2. MSM
a) The MSM in Scotland (with a few notable exceptions) who have been 100% complicit in
protecting RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act by pedalling one lie after another to ensure
that all misdemeanours by the Club/Owners/Officials are conveniently ignored.
b) The complete inability of the MSM to report the truth by not investigating each matter
in a professional manner with intrusive journalism.
3. SPL/SFA/SL
a) These football organisations have been 100% complicit in ignoring nearly every rule within
their own rulebooks to ensure that RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act were allowed to
continue operating in Scottish Football without punishment, with the notable exception of
being placed in SL3, due to the integrity of the SL Member Clubs.
b) Let us be abundantly clear, that these discredited football organisations would have
permitted RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act to continue within the SPL if they possiibly
could have.
c) Continue to insist that Scottish Football will go into “meltdown” unless RFC/Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act are not in the SPL
As a supporter of one of Scotland’s “Diddy” teams, I will rejoice when RFC/Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act together with the MSM in Scotland are no longer of any relevance to Scottish Football.
In order to bring this sorry saga to a conclusion, it is imperative that all efforts are now made to
eradicate the cancer within the SPL/SFA/SL organisations to ensure that Scottish Football is
allowed to continue with integrity.
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(1) Why is Bocanegra stating he could go on a free transfer?
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Presumably that was the deal he made when he agreed to reduced wages at the original Rangers. Quite a few of the players who TUPE’d to Sevco seem to have left on free transfers, ‘with our thanks and best wishes’
I agree regards player registration at 2012 fc ,there seems to be something not quite right there .
Surely the SFA will be asked to clarify the situation ,unless they have something to hide
I was very suspicious with what went on when sevco 8055 had to play Brechin in the Ramsdens cup before the name switch could be complete .IMO this was a unexpected situation brought about by fan power and it gave the SFA and Sevco a problem they could have done without .
CG stating that S Naismith was still registered with 2012 fc even though he has played for Everton was strange to say the least
Now Bocanegra saying he could have moved to Santander on a free transfer
Something stinks here .
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Essex beancounter says:
September 1, 2012 at 07:38
it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you !
And now since I am on a roll and still in a questioning (not questionable!) mood, here is some I really want SR to start answering…….
(1) What si the difference between a conditional memership and an associate membership, given that Sevoc were granted a conditional membership in order to fulfill a fixture against Brechin and that this membership is not defined in any of the SFA rulebooks.
(2) What authority was granted by the members to you to give an unknowntype of membership for one game?
(3) When are the details of the 5 way agreement terms going to be released?
(4) Can you clarify the claims by Clyde and others that you stated in the SPL/SFA presentations to SFL clubs that SFA would prohibit Sevco from starting in the SPL anyway?
(5) Can you confirm that player registrations have fully complied with all SFA regulations this season – for the game against Brechin in particular?
(6) Why was the 5 way agreement confirmed during the opening ceremony of the Olympics?
(7) Have there been any conversations or communication from any representatives of Govt offices in either Holyrood or Westminsiter on the Sevco/Rangers NIL saga in the last 6 months?
(8) Have all fines owed by CW been paid by Rangers NIL/Sevco as part of the 5 way agreement?
(9) When did you know about the possibility of the new deal announced for Scottish team TV deal – was this before or after you used the term armageddon?
(10) Since the major story has been about Rangers NIL for the past 6 to 9 months and CO has been unable to participate in any of these discussions, what has been CO’s role these past 9 months?
(11) Since CO has admitted now that he had an EBT while at Rangers NIL and given he was responsible for player registrations, can you give details on what assurances were given to you of his non involvement in any EBT at Rangers NIL?
(12) What conversations and promises did you give on behalf on SFA members to Bill Millar or Charles Green prior to the CVA being refused?
(13) Given that there was a vote of no confidence seconded at the SFL meeting, are you confident you have the full support of all SFA members?
(14) Can you define your role as you see it and what your responsibilities are and how this relates to the events this summer?
(15) The email from you where you are stating that Rod Petrie was ensuring Charles Green was being kept up to date with events, can you explain why a non SFA member was having access to information that other members of the SFA were not privy to?
(16) What are the plans for Scottish football for the next 3 years?
(17) Given that Rangers NIL have for years misled the SFA on player registrations, can you explain how this was accomplished and what measures SFA are taking to ensure there cannot ever be a repeat of this behaviour?
(18) Given that the Scottish football fanbase as a whole holds the SFA and SPL offices and office holders in absolute contempt (the only thing Sevco/T’Rangers and all other clubs agree on), what plans do you have to placate the worries and concerns that we all share?
(19) What fit and proper testing was provided to you from T’Rangers on their new owners and why is this not being made public?
(20) Given that Scottish football has never qualified for any major tournament recently, what initiatives are going to be happening (not planned) to encourage local football talent?
scottc says:
September 1, 2012 at 08:23
(1) Why is Bocanegra stating he could go on a free transfer?
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Presumably that was the deal he made when he agreed to reduced wages at the original Rangers. Quite a few of the players who TUPE’d to Sevco seem to have left on free transfers, ‘with our thanks and best wishes’
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Ok – so why did the neds have to slam Naismith as a traitor if anyone could leave on a free transfer? If all Naismith had to do was sign over and then have his free transfer in the window to Everton, he I am sure would have done it. However – it was stated he was a traitor because he never TUPE’d over so Sevoc could get the money for him. Now they all left for nothing. And Davies fee from Southampton (nominal – not the 800K as that was denied by the club) was all they got?
The assumption is they TUPE’d over
Naismith denies any discussions took place. Did Broadfoot TUPE over? If so what thanks did he get?
Edu? He never played for them, so why….
Sorry – this player registration stinks to high heaven!
If Naismith is as CG states still registered as a sevco player ,how come he has played in the EPL for Everton ,does this not mean that Everton have played an ineligible player and do Everton know this
As I said Templeton has probably made a poor career move.
I see Green is omce again blaming the old registrations and adding in that he and Sally having to spend time at the disciplinary hearings resulted in the lack of signing, when it is surely clear to all that he is has merely been shifting the financial deckchairs around on his potential Titanic.
We all know that other clubs in Scotland would not be buying much so no surprises there.
Celtic could do with improving the squad for the CL assualt but only secured their spot on Wednesday. No point in splashing cash before then. Now one would expect they had targets lined up but they only had two days to do deals. They also have the January window if required. That being said Celtic fans may be a bit concerend about the lack of strength in few positions on the park.
However the club that the MSM told us were looking for players, whose manager said they were short in numbers, who were looking at multiple trialists at Murray Park were the Sevconians.
Yet all they have is one player.
Will the difficult questions ever be asked?
Ok ,thats the window closed ,Charlie will now know what his monthly outgoings are going to be for the next 12 months at least ,can we share this info I am sure any potential investors will want to know this,c’mon Charlie how many sell out saturdays do you require between now and the end of the season.
From the Herald………….
“After the Scottish Football League transfer window closed at midnight, Rangers’ 12-month registration embargo began, meaning that McCoist can only sign players under the age of 18 until next September, when he can sign free agents.”
My understanding is that the embargo prohibits them from registering any players, free agents or not. Am I wrong?
Invisible says
Thanks, I’d forgotten about the scandal of the SFA’s dealings with a non member, another one for the spreadsheet of shame.
Great list of issues you raise, hope TSFM peruses them for The List.
For the players like Naismith, FIFA had to grant temporary transfer
On 20th July, Naismith received provisional international clearance from FIFA which allowed him to play while arbitration over his move from Rangers continued.
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This has not been resolved and the SFA mey well be still holding his registration…
For the transfer embargo – T’Rangers cannot register anyone over the age of 18 – free agent or not. We will not see Michael Owen playing up front at Montrose for a Tribute Band anytime soon, so hopefully we can put that one to rest too 🙂
your correct. On 1st september, 2013 the embargo will end and they will be able to buy players again. The problem is the transfer window will have closed. the only players they will be able to buy are free agents.
But until 1/9/13 it is under 18s only…
Johnny says
I asked similar questions recently. If the SFA still hold registrations for players other FAs will now be involved, as well as Uefa, Fifa, etc. The SFAs shenanigans might come back to haunt them.
Teams playing against these players should raise the issues near the end of the season though, for maximum effect. What a shambles and further disgrace for Scottish fitba if this was the case.
Or, CG is being less than truthful again…what are the chances of another letter from Mr Lunney?
The Invisible Line says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:24
Thanks for the info regards Naismith
The Invisible Line says: September 1, 2012 at 07:43
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Brilliant list of questions from the Invisble Line.
Can someone email these questions to every journalist email they can find? and perhaps to the editors of papers as well to stop the sports journalists burying them?
The sheer scale of stuff that Charles Green has said that hasn’t came true is mind-boggling. Surely some people are starting to worry about the lies he is telling? there must be some journalists querying this – even if just in their own quiet moments? or is the constant feed of stories the way to stop anyone looking back to previous nonsense? surely they must see the parallels with Murray/Whyte?
and the players are registered at the SFA by The Rangers – so why is Green trying to blame the SFA for his tea having so many players registered he registered them to try to get money for them!
Loads of questions on here about sevco. Player registrations, fit and proper person, rule bending etc.
What are the clubs doing in regard to getting some answers?
Whilst I am normally suspicious of all things sevco Ithink the players leaving on frees is not one. They agreed to Tupe on that basis. Sevco hadvto agree or they would have walked. Had to chortle at thconvenient computer fault. Templeton`s signing thus breaks the embargo. Quelle surprisel
The Invisible Line
Thanks.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:17
From the Herald………….
“After the Scottish Football League transfer window closed at midnight, Rangers’ 12-month registration embargo began, meaning that McCoist can only sign players under the age of 18 until next September, when he can sign free agents.”
My understanding is that the embargo prohibits them from registering any players, free agents or not. Am I wrong?
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After 1st Sep next year they can register players who are out of contract, same as any other club.
I have it on good authority that TRFC signed Templeton at 00:05, five minutes into the Transfer Window’s stoppage time, as added by referee Campbell Ogilvie. 🙂
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:17
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Depends on the wording of the SFA punishment….The common term used in the papers is a transfer embargo…which would suggest they are not permitted to conduct transfers from other clubs…however I would suggest the SFA punishment would be constructed around the registration of players as opposed to transfers…after all there is nothing to stop players leaving on a transfer…
Therefore a free agent could sign for the club…but can he be registered? I would say no…but then again we are talking about the SFA…who as we have established…is a departmental office of SEVCO..so rules for them don’t exist!
The Iceman – agreed – but I would liek to think the “leaving with our best wishes” will extend someday to Naismith as well since he did no different than Edu or Bocangera – but actually helped them by taking his pay off to Everton to avoid Sevco forking out 60K for the month. So if indeed they all TUPE’d over on condition of a free transfer, then Naismith actually provided Sevco/T’Rangers with more benefit given the money they saved on his pay.
But ths won’t be reasoned in the Bears Den in RM – better to say thanks to Edu (only thing he did apparently is scoring a last minute goal against Celtic) than to say thanks to Naismith, who led the players in the renogociations in April to ensure no staff redundancies – and was the only one who was able to articulate that CG had indeed created a new club – one that he felt he had no connection with. For that last part in particular, the Peepil have created a hate fuelled thread against him – and now even when he tweets that he cannot believe D&P got 3.5 million, he is denegrated – along with tar and feathers type comments.
He was one of the few I saw that came out of this sad saga looking better than he did previously – in my eyes at least. I thought his press conference was enlightening – to see a footballer be articulate – all the other badge kissers left by the back door for Sion etc, but they seem to be especially focusing on him.
Someone we will need in our national team may be thinking twice about coming north of the border to play for the national team……..
Very sad!
tomtom/Paulmac
Thanks for the clarification. I suppose hypothetically they could approach other clubs and ‘encourage’ them to release transfer targets from their contracts. Nah that’s just daft, they’d never do anything like that…………………………
If indeed the player signed after midnight….which would then be in breach of the punishment…there could be an interesting issue should any club decide to challenge the players participation in any game involving SEVCO in any competition..
“If Templeton has signed for Sevco”
It shows 100% that SPL/SFA/SFL are corrupt to the core
RIP Scottish football, I hope you can live with yourself
Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir, may you rot in hell.
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Templeton decided himself to sign for Rangers, how can that possibly be attibuted to the SFA?
Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir are CEO of their respective organisations, they answer to their boards. The Boards constitute all the member clubs, they do not apply and execute strategy on their own, all board members agree and ask the CEO to execute the strategy.
So who are the profesional board:
Professional Game Board:
Chairman: Rod Petrie (Scottish FA)
Members: Jim Ballantyne (SFL), Neil Doncaster (SPL), Peter Lawwell (SPL), David Longmuir (SFL), Alan McRae (Scottish FA), Campbell Ogilvie (Scottish FA), Stewart Regan (Scottish FA), Sandy Stables (SHFL) and Ralph Topping (SPL).
I will ask a question from long ago, Celtic v Rangers being drawn together in the semi final of the scottish cup never happened in the 70’s and very early 80’s, so was this SFA corruption? were Celtic ever paired with Rangers in a Scottish cup semi final? I would suggest that only when Aberdeen and Dundee United rose to prominance did Celtic v Rangers semi final pairings happen, Why? to ensure one Glasgow team was in the final.
So Rangers to SEVCO to Racing Santander….3 clubs…need to remind myself on the conditions of 3 clubs in one season…when did the season officially start and when does the 3 club rule kick in?
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
Fritz Agrandoldteam says:
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
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Yes no one i think is denying them to be corupt, but too whose advantage?
Scotland about to start their World Cup campaign – a World Cup which really is coming home – and a young 23 year old footballer is about to embark on his best years where he should be concentrating on getting into the national team and helping that team book a place in Brazil.
Instead, he opts to play in the 4th tier where the Scottish manager has already stated that the chances of getting into the Scotland team will be slim and none.
A national disgrace!
Oldco took the Scotland manager from the national team, regularly withdrew players from the national squad – lying that these players were injured – had players stick the fingers up at Scottish football from the subs bench, bought good Scottish players and stuck them on the bench at Ibrox removing these players from top flight football, and had supporters who openly supported England rather than Scotland.
Yet they have the full support of the Scottish PL, Scottish FA and the Scottish MSM and Alex Salmond (Scottish NP!!) who described them as “the fabric of Scotland.”
Away and fling sh1te at yerselves, the lot of you!!
Good Morning.
Great posts Invisible Line.You will probably win the Euro Lottery before you get answers. The fact that these questions can be asked after all these months shows the lack of transparency and the level of corruption.
As I said yesterday the snakes that slither around the corridors of Hampden are the ones who need to be rid of and the only way that can happen is if clubs with integrity get together and demand an EGM and pass the motions to do so.
As for Sevco signings only God and Campbell Ogilvie probably know to whom players are registered.
Young Templeton has been sold a pup and has been badly advised.
The one overiding factor which people seem to have forgotten is that BDO are still capable of ripping up all the deals done by D&P and if that happens there will be no Sevco or “The Rangers”.
In the days before computer it was blamed on the fax machine. In the days before the fax machine they probably blamed it on the post.
The slithering snakes will hiss and rattle to come up with any excuse to help the Brotherhoods chosen ones.
We were never paranoid, we were right.
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
Doon the slope says:
Scotland about to start their World Cup campaign – a World Cup which really is coming home – and a young 23 year old footballer is about to embark on his best years where he should be concentrating on getting into the national team and helping that team book a place in Brazil.
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Is Tempelton not English?
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Instead, he opts to play in the 4th tier where the Scottish manager has already stated that the chances of getting into the Scotland team will be slim and none.
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He is a professional he plays for money?
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Oldco took the Scotland manager from the national team, regularly withdrew players from the national squad – lying that these players were injured – had players stick the fingers up at Scottish football from the subs bench, bought good Scottish players and stuck them on the bench at Ibrox removing these players from top flight football, and had supporters who openly supported England rather than Scotland.
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Yes , I have no complaint there.
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Yet they have the full support of the Scottish PL, Scottish FA and the Scottish MSM and Alex Salmond (Scottish NP!!) who described them as “the fabric of Scotland.”
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Yes but this is what we have to live in, one support waving union jacks and wearing english shirts, and another waving tricolours.
Paulmac says:
September 1, 2012 at 10:25
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So Rangers to SEVCO to Racing Santander….3 clubs…
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So Rangers to SEVCO to THE Rangers to Racing Santander….4 clubs…
Fixed that for you.
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 10:45
Fritz Agrandoldteam says:
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
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Yes no one i think is denying them to be corupt, but too whose advantage?
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Are you serious,or still pissed from last night’s excitement,whose advantage ?.
Are you incapable of discerning the truth from all the available information out there for over a year ?.Or did you only come on here to stir the sh^te as usual.
Templeton was able to be registered after ‘time up’ because Bobby Tait was in charge.
Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
I think I made it quite clear that the SFA have been dubious to say the least for many years, the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.
Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
Sorry in case i did not understand your question I thought Jorge Cadette was a fantastic player.
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:15
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Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
I think I made it quite clear that the SFA have been dubious to say the least for many years, the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.
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I wouldn’t even give you a TD for that comment. You don’t half talk a lot of Lillian Gish.
enfakid
If you cant even guess the nationality of someone who was born in Glasgow, I dont think this is the blog for you.
Catching up – “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
• CG gets “censured” [aka – strong disapproval?]
• Sally gets a 3 match ban suspended for 1 year [aka – no sanction at all?]
These aren’t in the SFA published range of penalties for breaching Association Rules 1,2,66 & 71.
Where does the SFA go from here on? Well;
An Association mandated as Guardian of the Game upholding rules and standard’s– and that does neither – is no longer an Association mandated as Guardian fit & proper to monitor Rules and Standards
It`s kind of very simple – The SFA no longer has a purpose or right to Govern the Game in Scotland.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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September 1, 2012 at 11:30
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If you cant even guess the nationality of someone who was born in Glasgow, I dont think this is the blog for you.
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Can you explain that?
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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so you actually agree with me?
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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Nope
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so you actually agree with me?
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Nope
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
nope
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
this is what you call genius
“NOPE”
sheer genius. clown!
I’m glad that the Jambos kept one of their star young players yesterday and I hope CG had to dig deep into his pocket for Templeton but it is interesting, after all the talk of 5 or 6 ‘bodies’ coming in (how flattering for the prospective signing targets) TRFC end up with a net reduction in players….
Made me laugh to see charley blame SFA for this by keeping him busy on transfer day! And ironic that by charley retaining the registrations of players who refused to tupe over from Rfc plc (IA), he has reduced the number if slots in the squad to sign players ala SFL rules!
Hoisted by t’own petard charley 🙂
this thubs up / down is a piece of crap, if you select one it doesn’t change or worse it selects another vote that is the opposite that you have selected.
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vote for me as any click will do and i will look like a look like a credible clown.
MSM Alert Guys
Recently, the disreputable people in this saga have used as example the Olympics, and this week the planned CL Draw to deflect attention or use as cover for SFA “bad news” [re CG + Sally Guilty Non-Sanctions]. Bear in mind these examples were “short blips”. Therefore, it`s not rocket science to believe that in the next few weeks and months to come more “negative publicity” will have to be put “out there”.
I guarantee you that the MSM and the PR monkeys have 6 dates engraved on their 3 month diaries
• 19th September
• 2nd October
• 23rd October
• 7th November
• 20th November
• 5th December
These are CFC CL fixtures dates. 23 October and 7th November are especially noteworthy as the two CL fixtures against Barcelona with the 7th November the Home Leg. Thus I`ll bet the evening of 6th November is reserved by the MSM/PR for a big one – possibly nuclear – to be smothered by CL cover. Multiple Choices;
• Lord Hodge COI Report [or whatever that is really about]
• Criminal Investigations
• BDO Liquidation of RFC
• Football Debts – including European Clubs
• EBT Revelations
• SFA / SPL Embarrassing bits and pieces
• Other Tidings of disrepute
Am expecting MSM PR to warm up on the evening of 18 September – We`ll be waiting jabber + co
David Templeton’s dad was Henry Templeton, whom Ayr United supporters of a certain age will remember. A great wee player in Ally MacLeod’s Second Division title winning side. His full name is David Cooper Templeton but apparently when his parents split up he took to his mum’s side of the family and they all supported Celtic.
I agree that’s it’s a sad day when a 23 year old player, who the night before showed he could thrive in the Premiership, chooses to go to the Third Division. He could have bided his time and got a move soon enough down south. His loss, although I’m sure he’ll be happy looking at his bank statement.
enfakid
Okay I’ll bite.
“…….. the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.”
Jim Farry/the SFA would not have withheld Jorge Cadete’s registration had Celtic been due to face Motherwell or Dundee – thats my opinion.
Celtic were due to play their one time rivals, Rangers – that’s a fact.
Cadete’s registration was withheld until after that match was played – that’s a fact.
Jim Farry later lost his job for deliberately withholding the players registration – that’s a fact.
You CANNOT have a ‘personal grievance between a person and an organisation’ – have a wee think about it.
As I was saying…you don’t half talk a lot of Lillian Gish.
End of correspondence, I really can’t be bothered.
An interesting thread on Rangers Standard following Chris Graham’s blog re Phil’s book Downfall, Alex Thomson and RTC (TSFM).
CGm doubted the poster’s (Mac) affiliations re content of post.
Mac, in a later post gives his real name and residence.
“….Phil has undoubtedly written things that have been objectionable, to say the least, he has also brought some issues that previously we were unaware of to our attention. Whether we like it or not Phil has exposed, at various times, issues that should have had Rangers fans outside Ibrox in our droves demanding answers. Does this make me an apologist for Phil?”
Yes thank you for that, i had some memory that he could have played for England or Scotland, but that his preference was England. However you have clearly shown he is Scottish and I apologise.
There is something very rotten about the whole Sevco player registration and transfer saga. Green was whyte with rage and biting the carpet when MacGregor, Naismith, Whittaker etc left because he wanted the transfer fee money. Now we are seeing a whole heap of players having their contracts terminated, leaving for free, supposedly going on loan but no fee demanded for them. Were these players only registered with the SFA and not with Sevco? Where and who with were the contracts held?
On to another point a out last night’s fiasco with Templeton. Of course, the usual skulduggery seems to be at play in regards to timings, and to underline blackmail and extortion by Sevco on Hearts to sell one of their best players. The questions begs, are Hearts SO fiscally challenged that they had no choice but to sell that player, and was this financial predicament caused by the failure of RFC(IA) to pay for Wallace in the first place. So it would appear that Sevco took advantage of the fact that RFC(IA) had not paid for Wallace which caused the necessity for Hearts to sell. Simply appalling behaviour and devoid of ethics, morals and integrity.
Hearts proved the previous evening that they could compete at a high level with their performance at Anfield. This result would have given them confidence and belief for the season and future ahead. How demoralising to have the star of that game sold the next day. Same old Scottish football culture in evidence, the clubs all suffer from glass ceilings as they believe the negative publicity fed to them by the MSM and their own authorities.
It is well beyond time for new governance, new structures, and a new culture and belief to be implemented into the Scottish game. We must demand change, radical change that is, not window dressing or rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic but a complete fresh start from the top down.
There is nothing wrong with the game itself in Scotland, nor the players. The game needs more focus on many levels, youth being the priority not foreigners.
Scotland Behave says:
September 1, 2012 at 12:29
Great post.
SFA,total disgrace again….yet they are still calling all the shots in scottish football.
I stated months ago on the rtc forum that I would follow scottish clubs in european comps,and that would be my full participation in scottish football,nothing that has occured recently with the mccoist/green slap on the wrist fiasco,has made me change my mind…..in fact it has made me more alienated from scottish football.
I much prefer to play golf,watch rugby and other sports,and am grateful that I no longer live in Scotland.It has got to the stage where I honestly hope that the national team get gubbed by every team they face in the world cup qualifiers,perhaps this might bring about the severe changes that are needed at the sfa.
People should boycott the world cup matches as a start as the powers at the sfa are totally taking everyone for a ride.
Once again totally disgusted
Listening to Off The Ball:
Tam Cowan ” As a Rangers player, did you ever give the referee a wee nod or a wink? ”
Gary Bollan ” I cant say it didn’t happen “.
In other news, Hearts were brilliant, Motherwell were great, Susan Boyle wasn’t.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
Where have i actualy said that Farry’s deliberate attempt to withold Jorge Cadetes’s registrastion was anything less than scandalous?
Actually feel sorry for Templeton 🙁 at 23 or therabouts we all made decisions that in the cold light of day realised were really not a good move!?! ………….. I. Have a feeling the wee niggles of doubt have started in the pit of his stomach already……….. If he’d just had a little patience I think he would’ve had much bigger, better offers in the January window 🙂 och well really hope hearts get their payment this time,once bitten twice shy and all that jazz!
Delboy 12.42
Tam Cowan. As a Rangers player,did you ever give the referee a wee nod or a wink or an EBT
fixed that for you
I say give the lad enfakid a break. He sounds reasonably reasonable, at most junctures, to me.
We need more folks from the RFCRIP camp here, willing to discuss rather than bludgeon, to balance things out.
Angus says:
September 1, 2012 at 12:59
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I say give the lad enfakid a break. He sounds reasonably reasonable, at most junctures, to me.
We need more folks from the RFCRIP camp here, willing to discuss rather than bludgeon, to balance things out.
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‘Reasonably reasonable’. Did you see his comment at 13.07…..aye he seems reasonable to me lol.
Off oot to a fitba match.
I hope Hearts don’t get their money. I hope Sevco fold having paid no-one anything and leave behind a vast pile of manured chaos for the crooked incompetents who run the game to sort out. Ihope multiple teams fold and the leagues collapse. I hope Scotkand are then suspended from international football by an irate UEFA. Only with such a cataclysm can any real change be realised
stevensanph says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:32
your correct. On 1st september, 2013 the embargo will end and they will be able to buy players again. The problem is the transfer window will have closed. the only players they will be able to buy are free agents.
But until 1/9/13 it is under 18s only…
Their transfer embargo ends on 1 September 2013. When will the SFA transfer window actually shut though?
31 August 2013 is a Saturday,
1 September 2013 is a Sunday.
Anyone else worried that the SFA transfer window next year might close AFTER the embargo ends, giving CG a day or maybe two to make signings?
With the distraction of the transfer window out of the way now, it might get very interesting on the football pitch – and very quickly – as the season unfolds.
Whilst CFC has the exciting CL matches coming up, Sevco and its support will be settling down to life in the bottom tier and playing in stadia which will not quite compare to the Camp Nou.
Whilst that is not to disrespect honest SFL3 clubs – it is to make the point that the Sevco fans will soon fully realise where they are in Scottish football.
And the main point is this: if Sevco don’t suddenly start turning on the style in SFL3 with some high scoring wins, will the fans take out their frustrations on their ineffective manager?
That would indeed be Karma for the disgrace that is McCoist.
enfakid:
Ignore this clown.
StevieBC @ 13:39
This is actually when real trouble could begin
As you say when they realise where they really are in the game, not only will they take their frustrations out on Green & Sally, but there is a real danger that the attack dogs will be unleashed again, and we will all be made to suffer
They will demand that they are catapulted into the top tier next season, and will use whatever tactics they deem appropriate to achieve this, with threatening and bullying being their weapons of choice
Stooges Inc will again fill their pampers, and will try and persuade everyone that this must happen for the good of football
It really is time now to focus on the Hampden slitherers, and make sure they are held to account for every move they make
David Stoker @davidstoker_lfc
You can’t beat a classic, strongly worded no holds barred Hearts statement. Especially liked the pop at ‘greedy agents’.
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Has anyone seen this statement?
Gentleman Green quoted on BBC website as saying:
“Alistair and I have, unfortunately, spent six hours in Hampden for the wrong reasons, when what we ought to have been doing is speaking to agents and speaking to players,” he said.
“Alistair and I have, unfortunately, spent six hours in Hampden for the wrong DOINGS…”
There, corrected that for you Charles!
More seriously, just how many ‘digs’ at the football authorities is this man, and his lap-dog, going to be allowed to get away with? If it’s correct that Templeton’s regestration wasn’t completed until after midnight, then you’d think Green would be full of gratitude towards his ‘facilitators’, or at least not criticising them. Still, why shut up when you’ve been given a clear indication that you can get away with saying whatever you want and the worst thing that happens to you is you sit having tea with your mates for 6 hours. I think it’s time that Vlad and Lennon were knocking on Regan’s door demanding refunds!!!
The future of Scottish Football is seriously in doubt due the actions of the following 3 No organisations.
1. RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
2.MSM
3.SPL/SFA/SL
If we deal with them in order, a brief summary of their part in this curruption of Scottish Football is detailed below.
1. RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
a) £134 million of debt to HMRC/Football Clubs/Small Creditors due to the fraudulent actions
of SDM/CW as previous owners of RFC and those associated with them that allowed these
criminal events to occurr.
b) D and D who sold the complete assets of RFC to Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act for the
derisory sum of £5.5 million, which resulted in the creditors of RFC being robbed of the
true value of this asset.
c) Charles Green who has advised every Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act supporter that they are
the “victims” of a conspiracy against the remains of their football club and is currently
putting in place further steps to brainwash the deluded Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act
supporters by signing players that are completely outwith the current income of the club.
He is also preparing for a “share” issue that will potentially make him and his associated
“investors” who mainly remain anonymus very rich and more than likely lead Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act into a further Administration/Liquidation.
d) Ally McCoist who has brought the game into disrepute on more than one occaasion,by
making statements that are false and encourage the less educated supporter of Sevco/
Rangers Tribute Act to believe that retribution should be taken against anyone, who dares
not to share their views and beliefs.
e) RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act supporters who continue to sing their “folk” songs
while mainly on their travels to away games and are just an embarassment to all Scottish
Football Suppporters.
2. MSM
a) The MSM in Scotland (with a few notable exceptions) who have been 100% complicit in
protecting RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act by pedalling one lie after another to ensure
that all misdemeanours by the Club/Owners/Officials are conveniently ignored.
b) The complete inability of the MSM to report the truth by not investigating each matter
in a professional manner with intrusive journalism.
3. SPL/SFA/SL
a) These football organisations have been 100% complicit in ignoring nearly every rule within
their own rulebooks to ensure that RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act were allowed to
continue operating in Scottish Football without punishment, with the notable exception of
being placed in SL3, due to the integrity of the SL Member Clubs.
b) Let us be abundantly clear, that these discredited football organisations would have
permitted RFC/Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act to continue within the SPL if they possiibly
could have.
c) Continue to insist that Scottish Football will go into “meltdown” unless RFC/Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act are not in the SPL
As a supporter of one of Scotland’s “Diddy” teams, I will rejoice when RFC/Sevco/Rangers
Tribute Act together with the MSM in Scotland are no longer of any relevance to Scottish Football.
In order to bring this sorry saga to a conclusion, it is imperative that all efforts are now made to
eradicate the cancer within the SPL/SFA/SL organisations to ensure that Scottish Football is
allowed to continue with integrity.
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(1) Why is Bocanegra stating he could go on a free transfer?
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Presumably that was the deal he made when he agreed to reduced wages at the original Rangers. Quite a few of the players who TUPE’d to Sevco seem to have left on free transfers, ‘with our thanks and best wishes’
I agree regards player registration at 2012 fc ,there seems to be something not quite right there .
Surely the SFA will be asked to clarify the situation ,unless they have something to hide
I was very suspicious with what went on when sevco 8055 had to play Brechin in the Ramsdens cup before the name switch could be complete .IMO this was a unexpected situation brought about by fan power and it gave the SFA and Sevco a problem they could have done without .
CG stating that S Naismith was still registered with 2012 fc even though he has played for Everton was strange to say the least
Now Bocanegra saying he could have moved to Santander on a free transfer
Something stinks here .
T Johnbhoy
Our Yorkshire Pudding
I like that.
Essex beancounter says:
September 1, 2012 at 07:38
it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you !
And now since I am on a roll and still in a questioning (not questionable!) mood, here is some I really want SR to start answering…….
(1) What si the difference between a conditional memership and an associate membership, given that Sevoc were granted a conditional membership in order to fulfill a fixture against Brechin and that this membership is not defined in any of the SFA rulebooks.
(2) What authority was granted by the members to you to give an unknowntype of membership for one game?
(3) When are the details of the 5 way agreement terms going to be released?
(4) Can you clarify the claims by Clyde and others that you stated in the SPL/SFA presentations to SFL clubs that SFA would prohibit Sevco from starting in the SPL anyway?
(5) Can you confirm that player registrations have fully complied with all SFA regulations this season – for the game against Brechin in particular?
(6) Why was the 5 way agreement confirmed during the opening ceremony of the Olympics?
(7) Have there been any conversations or communication from any representatives of Govt offices in either Holyrood or Westminsiter on the Sevco/Rangers NIL saga in the last 6 months?
(8) Have all fines owed by CW been paid by Rangers NIL/Sevco as part of the 5 way agreement?
(9) When did you know about the possibility of the new deal announced for Scottish team TV deal – was this before or after you used the term armageddon?
(10) Since the major story has been about Rangers NIL for the past 6 to 9 months and CO has been unable to participate in any of these discussions, what has been CO’s role these past 9 months?
(11) Since CO has admitted now that he had an EBT while at Rangers NIL and given he was responsible for player registrations, can you give details on what assurances were given to you of his non involvement in any EBT at Rangers NIL?
(12) What conversations and promises did you give on behalf on SFA members to Bill Millar or Charles Green prior to the CVA being refused?
(13) Given that there was a vote of no confidence seconded at the SFL meeting, are you confident you have the full support of all SFA members?
(14) Can you define your role as you see it and what your responsibilities are and how this relates to the events this summer?
(15) The email from you where you are stating that Rod Petrie was ensuring Charles Green was being kept up to date with events, can you explain why a non SFA member was having access to information that other members of the SFA were not privy to?
(16) What are the plans for Scottish football for the next 3 years?
(17) Given that Rangers NIL have for years misled the SFA on player registrations, can you explain how this was accomplished and what measures SFA are taking to ensure there cannot ever be a repeat of this behaviour?
(18) Given that the Scottish football fanbase as a whole holds the SFA and SPL offices and office holders in absolute contempt (the only thing Sevco/T’Rangers and all other clubs agree on), what plans do you have to placate the worries and concerns that we all share?
(19) What fit and proper testing was provided to you from T’Rangers on their new owners and why is this not being made public?
(20) Given that Scottish football has never qualified for any major tournament recently, what initiatives are going to be happening (not planned) to encourage local football talent?
scottc says:
September 1, 2012 at 08:23
(1) Why is Bocanegra stating he could go on a free transfer?
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Presumably that was the deal he made when he agreed to reduced wages at the original Rangers. Quite a few of the players who TUPE’d to Sevco seem to have left on free transfers, ‘with our thanks and best wishes’
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Ok – so why did the neds have to slam Naismith as a traitor if anyone could leave on a free transfer? If all Naismith had to do was sign over and then have his free transfer in the window to Everton, he I am sure would have done it. However – it was stated he was a traitor because he never TUPE’d over so Sevoc could get the money for him. Now they all left for nothing. And Davies fee from Southampton (nominal – not the 800K as that was denied by the club) was all they got?
The assumption is they TUPE’d over
Naismith denies any discussions took place. Did Broadfoot TUPE over? If so what thanks did he get?
Edu? He never played for them, so why….
Sorry – this player registration stinks to high heaven!
If Naismith is as CG states still registered as a sevco player ,how come he has played in the EPL for Everton ,does this not mean that Everton have played an ineligible player and do Everton know this
As I said Templeton has probably made a poor career move.
I see Green is omce again blaming the old registrations and adding in that he and Sally having to spend time at the disciplinary hearings resulted in the lack of signing, when it is surely clear to all that he is has merely been shifting the financial deckchairs around on his potential Titanic.
We all know that other clubs in Scotland would not be buying much so no surprises there.
Celtic could do with improving the squad for the CL assualt but only secured their spot on Wednesday. No point in splashing cash before then. Now one would expect they had targets lined up but they only had two days to do deals. They also have the January window if required. That being said Celtic fans may be a bit concerend about the lack of strength in few positions on the park.
However the club that the MSM told us were looking for players, whose manager said they were short in numbers, who were looking at multiple trialists at Murray Park were the Sevconians.
Yet all they have is one player.
Will the difficult questions ever be asked?
Ok ,thats the window closed ,Charlie will now know what his monthly outgoings are going to be for the next 12 months at least ,can we share this info I am sure any potential investors will want to know this,c’mon Charlie how many sell out saturdays do you require between now and the end of the season.
From the Herald………….
“After the Scottish Football League transfer window closed at midnight, Rangers’ 12-month registration embargo began, meaning that McCoist can only sign players under the age of 18 until next September, when he can sign free agents.”
My understanding is that the embargo prohibits them from registering any players, free agents or not. Am I wrong?
Invisible says
Thanks, I’d forgotten about the scandal of the SFA’s dealings with a non member, another one for the spreadsheet of shame.
Great list of issues you raise, hope TSFM peruses them for The List.
For the players like Naismith, FIFA had to grant temporary transfer
To quote Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Naismith
On 20th July, Naismith received provisional international clearance from FIFA which allowed him to play while arbitration over his move from Rangers continued.
Unquote
This has not been resolved and the SFA mey well be still holding his registration…
For the transfer embargo – T’Rangers cannot register anyone over the age of 18 – free agent or not. We will not see Michael Owen playing up front at Montrose for a Tribute Band anytime soon, so hopefully we can put that one to rest too 🙂
your correct. On 1st september, 2013 the embargo will end and they will be able to buy players again. The problem is the transfer window will have closed. the only players they will be able to buy are free agents.
But until 1/9/13 it is under 18s only…
Johnny says
I asked similar questions recently. If the SFA still hold registrations for players other FAs will now be involved, as well as Uefa, Fifa, etc. The SFAs shenanigans might come back to haunt them.
Teams playing against these players should raise the issues near the end of the season though, for maximum effect. What a shambles and further disgrace for Scottish fitba if this was the case.
Or, CG is being less than truthful again…what are the chances of another letter from Mr Lunney?
The Invisible Line says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:24
Thanks for the info regards Naismith
The Invisible Line says: September 1, 2012 at 07:43
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Brilliant list of questions from the Invisble Line.
Can someone email these questions to every journalist email they can find? and perhaps to the editors of papers as well to stop the sports journalists burying them?
The sheer scale of stuff that Charles Green has said that hasn’t came true is mind-boggling. Surely some people are starting to worry about the lies he is telling? there must be some journalists querying this – even if just in their own quiet moments? or is the constant feed of stories the way to stop anyone looking back to previous nonsense? surely they must see the parallels with Murray/Whyte?
and the players are registered at the SFA by The Rangers – so why is Green trying to blame the SFA for his tea having so many players registered he registered them to try to get money for them!
Loads of questions on here about sevco. Player registrations, fit and proper person, rule bending etc.
What are the clubs doing in regard to getting some answers?
Whilst I am normally suspicious of all things sevco Ithink the players leaving on frees is not one. They agreed to Tupe on that basis. Sevco hadvto agree or they would have walked. Had to chortle at thconvenient computer fault. Templeton`s signing thus breaks the embargo. Quelle surprisel
The Invisible Line
Thanks.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:17
From the Herald………….
“After the Scottish Football League transfer window closed at midnight, Rangers’ 12-month registration embargo began, meaning that McCoist can only sign players under the age of 18 until next September, when he can sign free agents.”
My understanding is that the embargo prohibits them from registering any players, free agents or not. Am I wrong?
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After 1st Sep next year they can register players who are out of contract, same as any other club.
I have it on good authority that TRFC signed Templeton at 00:05, five minutes into the Transfer Window’s stoppage time, as added by referee Campbell Ogilvie. 🙂
Some links to last nights events
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q520/kaiser1874/TempsContract.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549467_279736952127918_76746153_n.jpg
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:17
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Depends on the wording of the SFA punishment….The common term used in the papers is a transfer embargo…which would suggest they are not permitted to conduct transfers from other clubs…however I would suggest the SFA punishment would be constructed around the registration of players as opposed to transfers…after all there is nothing to stop players leaving on a transfer…
Therefore a free agent could sign for the club…but can he be registered? I would say no…but then again we are talking about the SFA…who as we have established…is a departmental office of SEVCO..so rules for them don’t exist!
The Iceman – agreed – but I would liek to think the “leaving with our best wishes” will extend someday to Naismith as well since he did no different than Edu or Bocangera – but actually helped them by taking his pay off to Everton to avoid Sevco forking out 60K for the month. So if indeed they all TUPE’d over on condition of a free transfer, then Naismith actually provided Sevco/T’Rangers with more benefit given the money they saved on his pay.
But ths won’t be reasoned in the Bears Den in RM – better to say thanks to Edu (only thing he did apparently is scoring a last minute goal against Celtic) than to say thanks to Naismith, who led the players in the renogociations in April to ensure no staff redundancies – and was the only one who was able to articulate that CG had indeed created a new club – one that he felt he had no connection with. For that last part in particular, the Peepil have created a hate fuelled thread against him – and now even when he tweets that he cannot believe D&P got 3.5 million, he is denegrated – along with tar and feathers type comments.
He was one of the few I saw that came out of this sad saga looking better than he did previously – in my eyes at least. I thought his press conference was enlightening – to see a footballer be articulate – all the other badge kissers left by the back door for Sion etc, but they seem to be especially focusing on him.
Someone we will need in our national team may be thinking twice about coming north of the border to play for the national team……..
Very sad!
tomtom/Paulmac
Thanks for the clarification. I suppose hypothetically they could approach other clubs and ‘encourage’ them to release transfer targets from their contracts. Nah that’s just daft, they’d never do anything like that…………………………
If indeed the player signed after midnight….which would then be in breach of the punishment…there could be an interesting issue should any club decide to challenge the players participation in any game involving SEVCO in any competition..
“If Templeton has signed for Sevco”
It shows 100% that SPL/SFA/SFL are corrupt to the core
RIP Scottish football, I hope you can live with yourself
Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir, may you rot in hell.
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Templeton decided himself to sign for Rangers, how can that possibly be attibuted to the SFA?
Regan, Doncaster and Longmuir are CEO of their respective organisations, they answer to their boards. The Boards constitute all the member clubs, they do not apply and execute strategy on their own, all board members agree and ask the CEO to execute the strategy.
So who are the profesional board:
Professional Game Board:
Chairman: Rod Petrie (Scottish FA)
Members: Jim Ballantyne (SFL), Neil Doncaster (SPL), Peter Lawwell (SPL), David Longmuir (SFL), Alan McRae (Scottish FA), Campbell Ogilvie (Scottish FA), Stewart Regan (Scottish FA), Sandy Stables (SHFL) and Ralph Topping (SPL).
I will ask a question from long ago, Celtic v Rangers being drawn together in the semi final of the scottish cup never happened in the 70’s and very early 80’s, so was this SFA corruption? were Celtic ever paired with Rangers in a Scottish cup semi final? I would suggest that only when Aberdeen and Dundee United rose to prominance did Celtic v Rangers semi final pairings happen, Why? to ensure one Glasgow team was in the final.
So Rangers to SEVCO to Racing Santander….3 clubs…need to remind myself on the conditions of 3 clubs in one season…when did the season officially start and when does the 3 club rule kick in?
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
Fritz Agrandoldteam says:
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
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Yes no one i think is denying them to be corupt, but too whose advantage?
Scotland about to start their World Cup campaign – a World Cup which really is coming home – and a young 23 year old footballer is about to embark on his best years where he should be concentrating on getting into the national team and helping that team book a place in Brazil.
Instead, he opts to play in the 4th tier where the Scottish manager has already stated that the chances of getting into the Scotland team will be slim and none.
A national disgrace!
Oldco took the Scotland manager from the national team, regularly withdrew players from the national squad – lying that these players were injured – had players stick the fingers up at Scottish football from the subs bench, bought good Scottish players and stuck them on the bench at Ibrox removing these players from top flight football, and had supporters who openly supported England rather than Scotland.
Yet they have the full support of the Scottish PL, Scottish FA and the Scottish MSM and Alex Salmond (Scottish NP!!) who described them as “the fabric of Scotland.”
Away and fling sh1te at yerselves, the lot of you!!
Good Morning.
Great posts Invisible Line.You will probably win the Euro Lottery before you get answers. The fact that these questions can be asked after all these months shows the lack of transparency and the level of corruption.
As I said yesterday the snakes that slither around the corridors of Hampden are the ones who need to be rid of and the only way that can happen is if clubs with integrity get together and demand an EGM and pass the motions to do so.
As for Sevco signings only God and Campbell Ogilvie probably know to whom players are registered.
Young Templeton has been sold a pup and has been badly advised.
The one overiding factor which people seem to have forgotten is that BDO are still capable of ripping up all the deals done by D&P and if that happens there will be no Sevco or “The Rangers”.
In the days before computer it was blamed on the fax machine. In the days before the fax machine they probably blamed it on the post.
The slithering snakes will hiss and rattle to come up with any excuse to help the Brotherhoods chosen ones.
We were never paranoid, we were right.
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
Doon the slope says:
Scotland about to start their World Cup campaign – a World Cup which really is coming home – and a young 23 year old footballer is about to embark on his best years where he should be concentrating on getting into the national team and helping that team book a place in Brazil.
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Is Tempelton not English?
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Instead, he opts to play in the 4th tier where the Scottish manager has already stated that the chances of getting into the Scotland team will be slim and none.
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He is a professional he plays for money?
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Oldco took the Scotland manager from the national team, regularly withdrew players from the national squad – lying that these players were injured – had players stick the fingers up at Scottish football from the subs bench, bought good Scottish players and stuck them on the bench at Ibrox removing these players from top flight football, and had supporters who openly supported England rather than Scotland.
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Yes , I have no complaint there.
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Yet they have the full support of the Scottish PL, Scottish FA and the Scottish MSM and Alex Salmond (Scottish NP!!) who described them as “the fabric of Scotland.”
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Yes but this is what we have to live in, one support waving union jacks and wearing english shirts, and another waving tricolours.
Paulmac says:
September 1, 2012 at 10:25
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So Rangers to SEVCO to Racing Santander….3 clubs…
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So Rangers to SEVCO to THE Rangers to Racing Santander….4 clubs…
Fixed that for you.
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 10:45
Fritz Agrandoldteam says:
In the days before computers, registrations could be held up for loads of reasons – remember Farry/Cadette?
The SFA is corrupt to the core. End of.
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Yes no one i think is denying them to be corupt, but too whose advantage?
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Are you serious,or still pissed from last night’s excitement,whose advantage ?.
Are you incapable of discerning the truth from all the available information out there for over a year ?.Or did you only come on here to stir the sh^te as usual.
Templeton was able to be registered after ‘time up’ because Bobby Tait was in charge.
Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
I think I made it quite clear that the SFA have been dubious to say the least for many years, the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.
Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
Sorry in case i did not understand your question I thought Jorge Cadette was a fantastic player.
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:15
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Cassandra says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:04
Enfakid,
what would your opinion be re Jorge Cadette?
I think I made it quite clear that the SFA have been dubious to say the least for many years, the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.
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I wouldn’t even give you a TD for that comment. You don’t half talk a lot of Lillian Gish.
enfakid
If you cant even guess the nationality of someone who was born in Glasgow, I dont think this is the blog for you.
Catching up – “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
• CG gets “censured” [aka – strong disapproval?]
• Sally gets a 3 match ban suspended for 1 year [aka – no sanction at all?]
These aren’t in the SFA published range of penalties for breaching Association Rules 1,2,66 & 71.
Where does the SFA go from here on? Well;
An Association mandated as Guardian of the Game upholding rules and standard’s– and that does neither – is no longer an Association mandated as Guardian fit & proper to monitor Rules and Standards
It`s kind of very simple – The SFA no longer has a purpose or right to Govern the Game in Scotland.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
Doon the slope says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:30
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enfakid
If you cant even guess the nationality of someone who was born in Glasgow, I dont think this is the blog for you.
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Can you explain that?
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:33
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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Nope
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:36
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enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:33
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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Nope
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so you actually agree with me?
enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:41
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:36
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enfakid says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:33
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MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
September 1, 2012 at 11:22
So do you think that Farry was correct to withhold Jorge Cadette’s registration?
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Nope
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so you actually agree with me?
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Nope
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
nope
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
this is what you call genius
“NOPE”
sheer genius. clown!
I’m glad that the Jambos kept one of their star young players yesterday and I hope CG had to dig deep into his pocket for Templeton but it is interesting, after all the talk of 5 or 6 ‘bodies’ coming in (how flattering for the prospective signing targets) TRFC end up with a net reduction in players….
Made me laugh to see charley blame SFA for this by keeping him busy on transfer day! And ironic that by charley retaining the registrations of players who refused to tupe over from Rfc plc (IA), he has reduced the number if slots in the squad to sign players ala SFL rules!
Hoisted by t’own petard charley 🙂
this thubs up / down is a piece of crap, if you select one it doesn’t change or worse it selects another vote that is the opposite that you have selected.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
vote for me as any click will do and i will look like a look like a credible clown.
MSM Alert Guys
Recently, the disreputable people in this saga have used as example the Olympics, and this week the planned CL Draw to deflect attention or use as cover for SFA “bad news” [re CG + Sally Guilty Non-Sanctions]. Bear in mind these examples were “short blips”. Therefore, it`s not rocket science to believe that in the next few weeks and months to come more “negative publicity” will have to be put “out there”.
I guarantee you that the MSM and the PR monkeys have 6 dates engraved on their 3 month diaries
• 19th September
• 2nd October
• 23rd October
• 7th November
• 20th November
• 5th December
These are CFC CL fixtures dates. 23 October and 7th November are especially noteworthy as the two CL fixtures against Barcelona with the 7th November the Home Leg. Thus I`ll bet the evening of 6th November is reserved by the MSM/PR for a big one – possibly nuclear – to be smothered by CL cover. Multiple Choices;
• Lord Hodge COI Report [or whatever that is really about]
• Criminal Investigations
• BDO Liquidation of RFC
• Football Debts – including European Clubs
• EBT Revelations
• SFA / SPL Embarrassing bits and pieces
• Other Tidings of disrepute
Am expecting MSM PR to warm up on the evening of 18 September – We`ll be waiting jabber + co
David Templeton’s dad was Henry Templeton, whom Ayr United supporters of a certain age will remember. A great wee player in Ally MacLeod’s Second Division title winning side. His full name is David Cooper Templeton but apparently when his parents split up he took to his mum’s side of the family and they all supported Celtic.
I agree that’s it’s a sad day when a 23 year old player, who the night before showed he could thrive in the Premiership, chooses to go to the Third Division. He could have bided his time and got a move soon enough down south. His loss, although I’m sure he’ll be happy looking at his bank statement.
enfakid
Okay I’ll bite.
“…….. the Jorge Cadette affair was an absolute outrage but that was more to do with personal grievance between the bonnet and the SFA.”
Jim Farry/the SFA would not have withheld Jorge Cadete’s registration had Celtic been due to face Motherwell or Dundee – thats my opinion.
Celtic were due to play their one time rivals, Rangers – that’s a fact.
Cadete’s registration was withheld until after that match was played – that’s a fact.
Jim Farry later lost his job for deliberately withholding the players registration – that’s a fact.
You CANNOT have a ‘personal grievance between a person and an organisation’ – have a wee think about it.
As I was saying…you don’t half talk a lot of Lillian Gish.
End of correspondence, I really can’t be bothered.
An interesting thread on Rangers Standard following Chris Graham’s blog re Phil’s book Downfall, Alex Thomson and RTC (TSFM).
CGm doubted the poster’s (Mac) affiliations re content of post.
Mac, in a later post gives his real name and residence.
“….Phil has undoubtedly written things that have been objectionable, to say the least, he has also brought some issues that previously we were unaware of to our attention. Whether we like it or not Phil has exposed, at various times, issues that should have had Rangers fans outside Ibrox in our droves demanding answers. Does this make me an apologist for Phil?”
http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/forum/article-debate/680-alex-thomson-downfall?start=24
accies80(Harri159) says:
Yes thank you for that, i had some memory that he could have played for England or Scotland, but that his preference was England. However you have clearly shown he is Scottish and I apologise.
There is something very rotten about the whole Sevco player registration and transfer saga. Green was whyte with rage and biting the carpet when MacGregor, Naismith, Whittaker etc left because he wanted the transfer fee money. Now we are seeing a whole heap of players having their contracts terminated, leaving for free, supposedly going on loan but no fee demanded for them. Were these players only registered with the SFA and not with Sevco? Where and who with were the contracts held?
On to another point a out last night’s fiasco with Templeton. Of course, the usual skulduggery seems to be at play in regards to timings, and to underline blackmail and extortion by Sevco on Hearts to sell one of their best players. The questions begs, are Hearts SO fiscally challenged that they had no choice but to sell that player, and was this financial predicament caused by the failure of RFC(IA) to pay for Wallace in the first place. So it would appear that Sevco took advantage of the fact that RFC(IA) had not paid for Wallace which caused the necessity for Hearts to sell. Simply appalling behaviour and devoid of ethics, morals and integrity.
Hearts proved the previous evening that they could compete at a high level with their performance at Anfield. This result would have given them confidence and belief for the season and future ahead. How demoralising to have the star of that game sold the next day. Same old Scottish football culture in evidence, the clubs all suffer from glass ceilings as they believe the negative publicity fed to them by the MSM and their own authorities.
It is well beyond time for new governance, new structures, and a new culture and belief to be implemented into the Scottish game. We must demand change, radical change that is, not window dressing or rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic but a complete fresh start from the top down.
There is nothing wrong with the game itself in Scotland, nor the players. The game needs more focus on many levels, youth being the priority not foreigners.
Scotland Behave says:
September 1, 2012 at 12:29
Great post.
SFA,total disgrace again….yet they are still calling all the shots in scottish football.
I stated months ago on the rtc forum that I would follow scottish clubs in european comps,and that would be my full participation in scottish football,nothing that has occured recently with the mccoist/green slap on the wrist fiasco,has made me change my mind…..in fact it has made me more alienated from scottish football.
I much prefer to play golf,watch rugby and other sports,and am grateful that I no longer live in Scotland.It has got to the stage where I honestly hope that the national team get gubbed by every team they face in the world cup qualifiers,perhaps this might bring about the severe changes that are needed at the sfa.
People should boycott the world cup matches as a start as the powers at the sfa are totally taking everyone for a ride.
Once again totally disgusted
Listening to Off The Ball:
Tam Cowan ” As a Rangers player, did you ever give the referee a wee nod or a wink? ”
Gary Bollan ” I cant say it didn’t happen “.
In other news, Hearts were brilliant, Motherwell were great, Susan Boyle wasn’t.
MDCCCLXXXVIII says:
Where have i actualy said that Farry’s deliberate attempt to withold Jorge Cadetes’s registrastion was anything less than scandalous?
Actually feel sorry for Templeton 🙁 at 23 or therabouts we all made decisions that in the cold light of day realised were really not a good move!?! ………….. I. Have a feeling the wee niggles of doubt have started in the pit of his stomach already……….. If he’d just had a little patience I think he would’ve had much bigger, better offers in the January window 🙂 och well really hope hearts get their payment this time,once bitten twice shy and all that jazz!
Delboy 12.42
Tam Cowan. As a Rangers player,did you ever give the referee a wee nod or a wink or an EBT
fixed that for you
I say give the lad enfakid a break. He sounds reasonably reasonable, at most junctures, to me.
We need more folks from the RFCRIP camp here, willing to discuss rather than bludgeon, to balance things out.
Angus says:
September 1, 2012 at 12:59
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I say give the lad enfakid a break. He sounds reasonably reasonable, at most junctures, to me.
We need more folks from the RFCRIP camp here, willing to discuss rather than bludgeon, to balance things out.
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‘Reasonably reasonable’. Did you see his comment at 13.07…..aye he seems reasonable to me lol.
Off oot to a fitba match.
I hope Hearts don’t get their money. I hope Sevco fold having paid no-one anything and leave behind a vast pile of manured chaos for the crooked incompetents who run the game to sort out. Ihope multiple teams fold and the leagues collapse. I hope Scotkand are then suspended from international football by an irate UEFA. Only with such a cataclysm can any real change be realised
stevensanph says:
September 1, 2012 at 09:32
your correct. On 1st september, 2013 the embargo will end and they will be able to buy players again. The problem is the transfer window will have closed. the only players they will be able to buy are free agents.
But until 1/9/13 it is under 18s only…
Their transfer embargo ends on 1 September 2013. When will the SFA transfer window actually shut though?
31 August 2013 is a Saturday,
1 September 2013 is a Sunday.
Anyone else worried that the SFA transfer window next year might close AFTER the embargo ends, giving CG a day or maybe two to make signings?
With the distraction of the transfer window out of the way now, it might get very interesting on the football pitch – and very quickly – as the season unfolds.
Whilst CFC has the exciting CL matches coming up, Sevco and its support will be settling down to life in the bottom tier and playing in stadia which will not quite compare to the Camp Nou.
Whilst that is not to disrespect honest SFL3 clubs – it is to make the point that the Sevco fans will soon fully realise where they are in Scottish football.
And the main point is this: if Sevco don’t suddenly start turning on the style in SFL3 with some high scoring wins, will the fans take out their frustrations on their ineffective manager?
That would indeed be Karma for the disgrace that is McCoist.
enfakid:
Ignore this clown.
StevieBC @ 13:39
This is actually when real trouble could begin
As you say when they realise where they really are in the game, not only will they take their frustrations out on Green & Sally, but there is a real danger that the attack dogs will be unleashed again, and we will all be made to suffer
They will demand that they are catapulted into the top tier next season, and will use whatever tactics they deem appropriate to achieve this, with threatening and bullying being their weapons of choice
Stooges Inc will again fill their pampers, and will try and persuade everyone that this must happen for the good of football
It really is time now to focus on the Hampden slitherers, and make sure they are held to account for every move they make
David Stoker @davidstoker_lfc
You can’t beat a classic, strongly worded no holds barred Hearts statement. Especially liked the pop at ‘greedy agents’.
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Has anyone seen this statement?
Gentleman Green quoted on BBC website as saying:
“Alistair and I have, unfortunately, spent six hours in Hampden for the wrong reasons, when what we ought to have been doing is speaking to agents and speaking to players,” he said.
“Alistair and I have, unfortunately, spent six hours in Hampden for the wrong DOINGS…”
There, corrected that for you Charles!
More seriously, just how many ‘digs’ at the football authorities is this man, and his lap-dog, going to be allowed to get away with? If it’s correct that Templeton’s regestration wasn’t completed until after midnight, then you’d think Green would be full of gratitude towards his ‘facilitators’, or at least not criticising them. Still, why shut up when you’ve been given a clear indication that you can get away with saying whatever you want and the worst thing that happens to you is you sit having tea with your mates for 6 hours. I think it’s time that Vlad and Lennon were knocking on Regan’s door demanding refunds!!!
Hearts full statement
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20120901/club-must-always-come-first_2241384_2907280