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Comment on Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey by Charlie_Kelly.

I’d love for someone from our MSM to simply ask the SFA/SPFL the following question.
Do they regard the “Improper registration of players” over a sustained period of around 10 years, as cheating?
Depending on their answer I’d also like to know if this answer applies equally to all clubs past/present/future and if not why not?

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Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
Found this response from Rod McKenzie rather interesting:

Q: If there was another insolvency event at Ibrox would that be considered as a first or second offence?ROD McKENZIE: “Second. As it stands. There is a time period between insolvency events which I think is five years. So it might not now be 25 points. I think it is a five-year period between, and if you have a further insolvency event within the five year period then you get a further 25 point deduction. At Rangers in 2011 was the administration but they went into liquidation in 2012. We are just still within the five year period.”
Now forget the fact he doesn’t even know what year rangers went in to administration, and focus on why there was no points deduction for going in to “Liquidation”. This was a second insolvency event within the 5 year period.
So why was there no further 25pt deduction carried forward to the 2012/13 season? Those of us who deal in reality know why there was no further punishment. There was nothing there to punish! The football club in question ceased to exist and a new club took it’s place in the bottom tier of the Scottish Football League.
The SFA/SPL tried to get around this by claiming that it was the holding company that had gone in to administration/liquidation and not the club.
OK fine but what happens going forward if a club is facing financial ruin? Take a hypothetical scenario, let’s say a random top flight club (Ross County for example) is owned & operated by “Company A ltd” and the club/company have run up massive debts chasing on field success. It becomes obvious to everyone at Ross County that the end is nigh and that gong in to administration is the only solution. In this scenario what is to stop them setting up “Company B ltd” and selling the “club” to Company B Ltd BEFORE placing Company A Ltd in to administration?
What would happened if a club tried to pull a stunt like that now in 2017 or does it still depend on which club we’re talking about ?

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Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
I was just thinking a bit more about Gordon Smith’s hankering for the good old days of EBT’s and Helicopters changing direction, red white & blue ticker tape parades etc… It got me thinking about ways to make the top flight more competitive. By “top Flight” I of course mean “rangers”.
I would like to propose that as of next season that rangers be given a 1 goal start in every league & cup match. This is sure to make the title race between Celtic & rangers far more competitive and therefore far more interesting to fans of all clubs in Scotland.
Looking at last season as an example. Had this been applied (Yes I know games may have panned out differently had rangers had a 1-0 lead going in to the game but just forget that for the moment) then rangers would have achieved 25pts more giving them a final total of 92pts.
Celtic would have had 3pts less by virtue of drawing the hogmanay derby 2-2 and losing 2-1 at home to rangers in March, giving a final points tally for Celtic of 103.
So that’s a final gap of 11pts. Not quite a nail biter but certainly way more competitive than a 39 point gap and having rangers in 3rd place. A couple of decent signings for rangers and maybe an injury or two at Celtic and who knows we could have another end of season cliffhanger on our hands for the 2017/18 season like the good old days of EBT’s.
I now propose that the SPFL board & SFA convene an EGM to have these measures in place for the start of the new season. I just hope there are no petty and small minded complaints from clubs like Aberdeen or Hearts complaining about rangers being given an “unfair advantage”. How can it be an unfair advantage if Celtic still won the league by 11 points last year?

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
Yeah Gordon Smith appears to think “Sporting Advantage” = “100% certain to win”
So the fact that RFC never won the league in every season in question is proof in his mind that there was no “sporting advantage”
This of course is an absolutely ludicrous interpretation of the term “Sporting advantage”. Just because you have an inbuilt advantage does not guarantee victory it merely increases your chances of victory.
So if Motherwell (for example) signed a top drawer defender tomorrow via some sort of illicit tax dodging scheme, then their chances of winning the league will have increased. This however does not guarantee that they will win it or that they will even finish any higher than they did last year.
The same applies to all sporting competitions. Cheating/Breaking the rules does not guarantee victory. and just because you finish 2nd/3rd/4th….. does not mean that you haven’t broken the rules or that rule breaking is no big deal so long as you don’t win.
It is complete idiocy from Gordon Smith.

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
Yeah Gordon, it was great when Celtic/Rangers were at each others throats in the mid 00’s. I’m sure the Aberdeen/Hearts/Hibs/Dundee Utd etc.. fans were absolutely besides themselves with excitement and no doubt they all hanker for a return to the days when they had to fight it out for third place as opposed to now fighting it out for 2nd place.
Why doesn’t Gordon hanker for the days like the climax to the 82/83 season I wonder? We had three clubs going in to the final day of the season who could all still be crowned champions. One of those clubs (the one that finished 3rd as it turned out) ended that season with a European trophy in their trophy cabinet! But of course the thrilling finale to the 82/83 season didn’t actually involve rangers in any meaningful sense so that cannot be remembered as an “exciting time”.
Only close run races with Rangers eventually prevailing, by fair means or foul, can be remembered fondly as the “good old days”

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
Re Celtic Trust statement:
No Veiled threats of violence or boycotts?
No slanderous accusations aimed at other clubs or individuals?
No “Watp” or similar supremacist sign off?
You call that a statement????
Pah! 2/10 – Must try harder.

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
Further to my post above Didn’t Legia Warsaw make this exact argument in 2014 when they brought on a late sub (who it later transpired wasn’t eligible to play) when they were 2-0 up against Celtic (6-1 overall on aggregate) with less than 5 minutes to play.
Legia argued that “we would still have won even if he hadn’t come on”. Now let’s face it, they would still have won but they were still given short shrift by UEFA because “rules are rules” and Legia broke them.
There is no way any right thinking person could argue that Legia Warsaw were engaging in any sort of underhand tactics. It is clear this was an admin error on their part. A monumental one as it turned out but an error (or ‘honest mistake’) none the less.
What RFC done was calculated & deliberate so for them to receive a less severe punishment than Legia Warsaw (and various smaller Scottish clubs who have made stupid admin mistakes over the years) simply beggars belief.

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