Make our Mind Up Time


Ok Guys let’s get the blog back on track. The issues …

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Ok Guys let’s get the blog back on track.

The issues we need to be looking at is how the game is run , are people telling the truth, is there a sustainable future for all Scottish Clubs

Are the rules being applied without fear or favour?

To me the banner issue seems to be one that the football authorities are right to tackle if there is a belief that the content is offensive.

It has clearly taken a few months to call Celtic to account and it is right to ask why so long?
However they took their time calling Ally to explain is ‘name them’ stance. So some of these issues do appear to take time.

On the other hand they were quick to jump on Charile Boy for his SPL commission statement.

Therefore as opposed to specific cases my queston would be do fans need to be given some information on how these processes work as it seems to be a bit slap dash at present?

With regards to the “Paedo Free In Div 3” banner then people need to realise that if that banner is deemed offensive and the rules are then applied without ‘fear or favour’ then it is not just a tit for tat ‘Old Firm’ situation.

Annan Athletic as the club responsible for the match day operations will fall foul of the Rules.

Therfore if Celtic are fined or whatever for the Zombie banner then I would expect that Annan should be treated in a similar manner, with T’Rangers being brought in to answer if they did all that was reasonably practical to control the behaviour of thier fans at an away ground.

Rule 26: A club shall take all such steps as are reasonably practicable to ensure the safety, good conduct and behaviour of its supporters on any ground. A club playing at its own ground or allowing its ground to be used for a match in which it is not participating shall also take all such steps as are reasonably practicable to ensure the safety, good conduct and behaviour of all spectators at that ground.

Rule 28: Any misbehaviour by spectators before, during or at the close of a match resulting from the failure of a club or recognised football body to take all reasonably practicable steps to avoid the misbehaviour shall render that club or recognised football body liable to any combination of sanctions provided in this Protocol.

Rule 31: A club playing at its own ground or allowing its ground to be used for a match in which it is not participating must ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, (i) good order and security; (ii) that policies and procedures have been adopted and are implemented to prevent instances of Unacceptable Conduct; and (iii) that any instance of Unacceptable Conduct is effectively dealt with, all at its own ground, on the occasion of a match.

Rule 32: Each club must ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable, that its players, officials, supporters and any person exercising a function for or in connection with the club do not engage in Unacceptable Conduct at any club’s ground on the occasion of a match. Any failure by a club to discharge a requirement to which it is subject by virtue of Article 28.6 and this Article 28.7 shall constitute a breach of these Articles.

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Make our Mind Up Time
Just to pull together some earlier posts and look at things from the laymans point of view.

We know that Bill Millar and Dave King have spoken about a ‘quantum’ 🙂 of £30m to keep the good ship T’Rangers afloat. (King I wouldn’t trust but what is in it for Bill Millar to come out with those figures).

Craig Whyte talked about a £10m black hole in the accounts and we know just to keep moving he held back £14m of PAYE, NI and VAT in a period of eight months from taking over May 2011 to administration Feb 2012 AND THIS INCLUDED A CLOSED SEASON.

We also know that despite an ‘attempt’ at cost cutting through a temporary reduction in players wages that Duff & Duffer ran up a £4m trading loss from Feb 14 to the end of June. So lets just call it £1m a month.

So what has changed?
The wage bill may well have been cut but as the current squad, and lets not forget, the backroom staff will all be on their full TUPED deals – how did this compare with reduced salary bill (albeit for a larger squad) negotiated by Duff & Duffer?
Season ticket sales and pay at the door have remained high, however all at reduced prices and possibly with a few more complimentaries being dished out that previous. There also seems to be talk of more kids attending which could further reduce the income.

For a bag of a fag packet calculation lets say you have a crown of 40k
Lets put a value of a bum on a seat of £20 per head for full price SPL.
Thats £800k per game
However we are talkinig Div 3 now so the value per bottom will be less
At £15 thats a loss on last year per game of £200k
At £10k thats a loss on last year per game of £400k.

It may be division three but you still have the same running costs for home games at Ibrox and the cost of running Murray Park. You still have to pay the same costs to get to away matches but please please tell me they have cut out the 5 star hotels!!

Yet we know that Whyte and Duff and Duffer still managed to loose between one and two million a month while receiving ticket income based on full SPL prices, TV monies and bits of Euro Cash.

Therefore on the Duff & Duffer performance alone, to break even T’Rangers have to reduce costs by around a million a month or increase revenue by the same amount.

From the announcement of investors (still no confirmation of Mike Ashleys Million or that Ally took up the offer of 4.5%) on 24 August it looks like 10% of the club is worth around £1m. Therefore maximum cash in £10m but only around £4m given that only 5 parties were mentioned in dispatches.

Arif Naqvi 18% (£2m mentioned in dispatches)
Imran Ahmad and Richard Hughes, from Zeus Capital, 9.8% each,
Ian Hart 1.3%

One has to assume that revenue is down at the gates
The Sports Direct deal taking over from JJB will be at best the same deal but most likely less.
TV money is down (are they even getting anything?)
Prize money on offer will be down if they do win anything.
No Euro money available
Given Squad size and injuries no one is going to be sold anytime soon.
There appears to be no new major money coming in via wealthy investors, so the money was put in at the time of sale must be getting burned.

As a newco I assume they won’t have a good line of credit, so no overdraft from Mr Banker.

Yet at the same time we have talk of hotels, cancer centres, buying office blocks of SDM, the setting up of worldwide football academies. -THESE THINGS CALL COST MONEY- DOH!

Oh and let’s not forget the potential for numerous legal bills for all the people they want to challenge, sue, boycott etc etc.

As far as I can see T’Rangers future appears to be hanging on the unknown ‘quantum’ of the current wage bill and what can be raised through a share issue. A share issue that, based on new rumours, may not even see the light of day on a recognised and reputable exchange thus potentially eliminating interest from outside investors – if indeed they actually want to get involved with a struggling Scottish Div 3 team.

Now Celtic’s share issue to become a Plc was according to Wiki Britains most successful football share isse at £14m and I am sure Rangers fans thry an trump that but how long will it take for that money to be burned given the aforementioed grandious plans and the need to provide a return to the existing investors and allow Green to exit stage left.

As I said this is the laymans back of a fag packet view but as far as I can see it doesn’t look good.

More than happy to be put right by anyone with more experience in such matters who thinks they can come up with a plan on how the whole thing will sort itself out.

Make our Mind Up Time
If Mr Charles is only going to sell shares to the Rangers Family does anyone want to call Cenkos and Capita to tell them to stand down??

Make our Mind Up Time
If RTC does meet with the DR can I suggest he maybe borrows a mask from this guy 😉

Recent Comments by WOTTPI

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
HOMUNCULUSDECEMBER 28, 2017 at 13:48

Indeed. And that was my other thought.
Even if Mark Allen does a good job T”Rangers wouldn’t see any cash for any upcoming talent (internal or bought in)  for a god number of years.
To date a good few lads showing talent have been allowed to leave to keep the lights on.
At present the only prospect they have is McRorie who I think has stepped up and performed well when asked.He certainly has confidence and could develop into a decent centre back playing with the likes of Souttar for Scotland.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
I am sure the thought will have crossed other’s minds but will say it anyway.
Celtics ‘free money’ from the VVD  transfer is more than T’Rangers stated  loan requirements to keep the lights on for the next year or two.
Thats the size of the gap between Celtic and the rest of us.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
DECEMBER 22, 2017 at 12:56

Lets just call it 14 February for old times sake and serendipity. 21

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
Statement O’clock but on another matter.

ClydeSSB tweeting Murty appointed until end of the season.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
EASYJAMBODECEMBER 22, 2017 at 10:33

Thought that may be the case but was wondering if someone would be trying to get ahead of the game.

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