Make our Mind Up Time

ByTrisidium

Make our Mind Up Time

I have been receiving quite a bit of  unflattering mail about the “agenda” being pursued on this blog. Depending on the correspondent, that is defined as  either denying people their civil right to gloat, hiding the “truth” that people of the RC faith are welcomed and encouraged to come to Ibrox, or indulging in Chamberlain-style appeasement with the banning of the “H” word and other incontrovertible rights-to-insult.

The objection to moderation of any sort appears to be at the root of these diatribes. Our position here in terms of moderation is clear. There is no “agenda” other than a desire not to be chasing up posts containing the rantings and ravings of partisan types who “demand” their right to be heard no matter how objectionable it might be to those hear it. We are not here to service a conduit for conspiracy theories based in Masonic Lodges or the Vatican. There are plenty of places where people can indulge in that kind of stuff, but the moderators here are just not interested. The administration of the site takes around four hours per day. That’s a long time trawling through posts which often set out deliberately to insult, abuse or otherwise cause offence – mildly or otherwise.

Our view is that the blog will only have cross-club support if we stick to what we can substantiate by fact or reasonably infer from the way things proceed. Further, we feel that if we are to gain credibility as an alternative source of news and comment to the MSM, that we need to cut down on the fansite type comments. There is no dignity (a word often used here) in calling the Rangers manager or their fans names. We need to maintain higher standards of impartiality than football fansites, because we know that a united fan base can actually make a difference as RTC did when the SPL chairmen were gearing up for a parachute for the new Rangers. OT discussions are fine, and often amusing, but they shouldn’t become the main reason to come here.

The requirement to have a WordPress account before posting here is not in any way draconian. It is designed to make people accountable for what they post whilst still maintaining anonymity, and therefore being exempt from moderation. Those who don’t like it are not being compelled to carry out any instruction – they only need go to a place where they don’t feel so constrained.

If the main issue of this blog becomes how the blog is being administered – or how the moderation policy is affecting the human rights of posters, we may as well just pack up now.

There have never been any objections to the suggested posting rules on here. We assume that people who post are reasonably intelligent. Therefore it seems fair to assume that those who have ignored the suggested posting rules did so deliberately. If that doesn’t happen, moderation is just not required.

If what we are trying to do fails because of our posting framework, then we will be blamed. We are certain though, that we can have no credibility if we indulge ourselves in conspiracy theories and constant references to anachronistic organisations, the Scottish school system, and the leanings of referees.

There is real corruption in Scottish football. It is based not on religious rivalries but on greed and acquisitiveness. The only thing that matters is that we identify that corruption and help put an end to it.

Our job is to ask questions and not jump to our own conclusions about the answers. That will divide us as surely as the realisation of the depth of the corruption united us. To be totally united as fans, we need to have more Rangers fans on here. Therefore we need to create an atmosphere that they can be comfortable with. Is that the case right now? The anger for RFC’s mismanagement and abuse of the game in Scotland is real, but we need to look forward if we are truly committed to ensuring that what happened to Rangers can’t happen again.

We’re not gonna throw the toys out of the pram here. If anyone else would like to run the blog under those circumstances of zero moderation, we will be happy to hand over the domain. There is no “agenda” – we will be happy to hand the work over to others.

The initial posting which proposed the change to WordPress logins received over 130 TUs and only three TDs. Subsequently the post advising of the changes got around 100 TUs and 100 TDs. It seems that minds are not entirely made up.

To get some closure on this once and for all, we have added a poll below to end on Saturday at 1700 where you can decide whether you want to go along with our original plan in terms of login and moderation. We obviously recommend that you vote “Yes”

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

2,133 Comments so far

PaulsatimPosted on7:12 pm - Sep 22, 2012


georgiovasari says:
September 22, 2012 at 19:05

Heard SC also addressed Jabba as “Jabba”!!

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AgrajagPosted on7:15 pm - Sep 22, 2012


georgiovasari says:
September 22, 2012 at 19:05

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In my opinion, and based on nothing else, without a significant injection of capital the new club is heading towards administration. Now that could be from more investors, sale of assets, borrowing, or a share issue. However without one of those, or some mixture, I do not see how administration won’t happen.

I just don’t see how enough income can be generated to run the business, based on what we think the income streams are, and what the likely running costs are. there simply won’t be enough money over the course of the year.

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Sugar DaddyPosted on7:29 pm - Sep 22, 2012


On this Rangers were offered a deal malarkey. CG had to turn it down otherwise he wouldn’t have sold any season books. No other reason would have entered his head than he wouldn’t have had a business to sell on if he accepted a deal.

Think about the deal. You dont offer unless you know there is interest from the other side in accepting it. Green wanted SFL1, he was negotiating to get in. This wasn’t a dodgy deal, this was a negotiation but the price was too high for Green to accept. What he would have accepted we will probably never know. 1 title going, 2 maybe?

I’m also fairly sure Sevco would have to prove the SPL independent panel was unduly influenced by an SPL offer in order to get any sanctions revoked. Just saying it’s pre-determined doesn’t make it so. Highly unlikely there will be procedural erros with a judge and 2 QCs sitting on the panel.

The only time in this whole sorry saga that RFC(IA/PL) got anything like a fair punishment for its reckless actions was the transfer ban, albeit subsequently altered, from the independent SFA panel.

I look forward to the FTT clearing up this dual contract business and the independent panel acting swiftly, fairly and within its powers.

There will be no more subterfuge, obfuscating or procrastination.

The day is coming.

Justice will be done.

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HirsutePursuitPosted on7:31 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Tuped over to WordPress!

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BrendaPosted on7:37 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Agrajag @ 18:38

The very one, he also claimed he was positive that HMRC had agreed a pennies in the pound deal with rfc(iastbil) and that the ‘ history ‘ had been transferred etc etc he tries to portray a serious sports journalist but if anyone challenges his ramblings he turns into a wee teeth-gnashing ‘come ahead’ ned, it’s actually very amusing, he is one of the most unprofessional pundits on SSB and believe me there’s lots of competition

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arabest1Posted on7:49 pm - Sep 22, 2012


TFSM, I don’t really understand all this wordpress stuff…..do I have to do anything? Sorry for being a thickie!

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redlichtiePosted on8:11 pm - Sep 22, 2012


For clarity here is the EBT declaration in Ranger’s accounts (thanks RTC) :

“The Rangers Employee Benefit Trust and Murray Group Management Ltd. Remuneration Trust were established to provide incentives to certain employees and other service providers. Payments to these Trusts are charged to the Group Profit and Loss Account in the year incurred.”

The aim was thus to provide ‘incentives’ to unnamed employees and ‘other service providers’.

Nowhere is there any indication that the EBTs have anything to do with player or staff compensation – ‘incentives’ is the word used.

These ‘incentives’ of course had to have been non-contractual otherwise they would have become liable to tax and, in the case of players, subject to declaration to the SPL/SFA.

Having said that the very idea of paying ‘incentives’ via an EBT appears to call in to doubt the supposed ‘arms length’ arrangements required for the proper operation of an EBT by independent trustees.

The addition of the phrase ‘and other service providers’ is also interesting as it may have been inserted to add further distancing from the idea that ‘compensation’ may have been involved – or it may simply point to the use of the EBT vehicle being used to make payments to third parties who could conceivably be described as ‘service providers’ to Rangers FC.

‘Advisors’ on transfer matters perhaps?

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Tommygun55Posted on8:14 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Could the SFA not have seen the dual contract payments because they weren’t there?….maybe they were in the MIM accounts-of which they have no access.

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RanchofrancoPosted on8:17 pm - Sep 22, 2012


I see Clegg the Condem Pluralist/Apologist was live on BBC24 hijacking the efforts of Olympiad gold medallists to win over the majority of Liberal sceptics within his party to the true path of Grant Schapps bullshit conservative ergonomics.
I’m certain I saw Sally in the audience..taking copious notes on how to play the long ball game of 4th tier strategemsl whilst fiscally tethered to the more tactical and uglier side of Zombie politics.
Even them most simplistic of time machine enthusiastic pie munchers must be worried his credentials and abilities to manage their ‘Don’t walk away’ back to the future flight to any given point in time before the era of prospective title stripping.

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AgrajagPosted on8:26 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Brenda says:
September 22, 2012 at 19:37

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He is basically a proven liar.

HMRC never agreed a pennies in the pound deal, that is now perfectly clear. He did say that he had seen two contracts. So either it was a lie he saw them or it was a lie when he said he didn’t. It was definitely a lie when he claimed not to have said it.

That is what we have claiming to be print and broadcast journalists in this country.

People like him, Traynor, Young and Keevins. Change their stories constantly, “report” based on an agenda rather than investigation or facts, twist things to suit themselves.

The Sun is still talking about the HMRC Tribunal release it’s results soon, I mean FFS, that’s basic stuff. So it’s being written by someone with no understanding of the situation, or who wants to twist it to their own ends.

They are a disgrace to their profession. I think we have grown to know who the exceptions are.

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There’s Only One Willie MillerPosted on8:37 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Making people get a wordpress login to comment will kill the blog.

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goosyPosted on8:39 pm - Sep 22, 2012


1. taxmancometh says:
September 22, 2012 at 11:42
Goosy would this be a clever way of D&P to give the creditors hope … i.e. they will get something if they win the 25M court case they are pursuing – hence the unknown quantum at an unknown date possibly in an unknown dimension?
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taxmancometh
Unfortunately no
The numbers in the CVA document implied there would be well under £1m possibly nothing in the liquidation pot after D&P and BDO get their fees paid.
So with a £27.5m floating charge for Whyte and an unknown( but surely many £ms) floating charge for Close Leasing, even winning the £25m Collyer Brostow court case still gives the unsecured creditors nothing as the pot would be swallowed up by the floating charge holders. In addition, I`m no lawyer but it seems legal to me that D&P could not offer unsecured Creditors any hope of a dividend based on winning the CB court case without stating this as a caveat.
What may be possible is that D&P have agreed a significant cut in their fees with Lord Hodge freeing enough for the liquidation pot to make it positive. Indeed for all we know, D&P may even have agreed to do the entire administration job for nothing in order to rescue their reputation.

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BrendaPosted on8:43 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Agrajag @ 20:26

Your comment pretty much sums him up, the sad thing is I think he actually believes what he’s saying 🙂 like if he says it often enough it’ll be true 🙂 sad, pathetic wee man with a voice nearly as annoying and whiny as keevins 🙂 🙂 🙂 happy days it’s all coming together nicely 🙂

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Geordie BhoyPosted on8:53 pm - Sep 22, 2012


(Really a test message) Well, I managed to watch the Sevco vs. Queen of the South game on BBC iPlayer today. This time, there was no warning about language and I did not notice anything on the broadcast. Has it been edited for family viewing?

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HirsutePursuitPosted on9:11 pm - Sep 22, 2012


thehirsutepursuit says:
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Tuped version in moderation for nearly 2 hours. Is this normal?

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smartie1947Posted on9:39 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Interesting photo tonight on RM on the puff piece re Sevco’s squad having a go at the crossbar challenge.
There to have a go in suit and dress shoes was none other than Brian Stockbridge, suggested by many as being Ticketus’s power behind the throne.
Although the RM faithful describe him as a member of the board, how many know the real reason for his presence in Glasgow for all these months.

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Sugar DaddyPosted on9:42 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Is the blog not dead? I went and got a wordpress login but you seem to be still here

Sugar Daddy wasnt allowed, I will henceforth be sugardadee

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wolfmanPosted on9:44 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Any chance of a link to the WordPress login site?

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AngusPosted on9:45 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Agrajag says:
September 22, 2012 at 18:59

Angus says:
September 22, 2012 at 18:42

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So nothing whatsoever to do with the Judge and Jury, it’s the PF and defence lawyer who discuss it before the trial starts. Is that it.
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Truth be told, I’ve not yet been involved in a case with judge and jury, though I imagine a similar procedure as in the Sheriff Court applies there.

There are intermediate diets where prosecution and defence attempt to sort out the facts of the case, ask for more information, decide on which parts they agree on, etc. It’s usually fairly apparent to both whether the accused will be found guilty, or whether a particular charge is insufficiently backed-up with evidence. If nothing can be agreed plea-wise at that point, the case goes to trial.

On the day of the trial, when the case is called, the defence may put forward a suggestion of a “deal” and see if it’s accepted by the PF. The PF may then counter-offer, with reasoning. This deal is then put to the Sheriff to agree to, which he will. If no agreement is reached and a Not Guilty plea is still in place, witnesses get called and the case goes ahead.

It is entirely up to the Sheriff to decide on the punishment from what is laid down in relevant legislation. The PF only seeks to establish guilt.

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jmaclurePosted on9:46 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Today, on a beautiful sunny day Celtic pulled in a crowd of 41.073, 61% of the total attendance of todays SPL.

On the same beautiful sunny day, Hibernian, at home, could have went top of the league, Dundee Utd were at home against Hearts, two of the bigger supports in the league, yet these games together with Kilmarnck v St Mirren and Ross County v St Johnstone pulled in a total of 25,488 spectators. Inverness travelling support was 60, yes 60.

No wonder discussions will take place about league reconstruction, and I suspect Celtic will be complicit in this, something has to done.

The more than optimistic picture that was painted by Jim Spence, Cosgrove and others about fans coming together and season ticket sales holding up and even going through the roof
has proved to be as false as Nick Cleggs promises regarding student loans.

I wonder just how many on here that have spouted sporting integrity have actually increased their attendances this year. Not on the figures so far this season.

What is there to be excited about now in the SPL?

Celtic representatives like Matt McGlone can poo poo Rangers not being in the league and claim that 60,000 will still turn up at Celtic park, but it is obvious that the discerning punter at Parkhead, according to the attendance today is giving his answer. You can’t fool an audience.

66,500 today, how many for nearly the same in two seasons, I would guess 50,000, if lucky?.

You can quote sporting integrity all you want, but realism will have to come to the fore sometime, no sport in the world can afford to alienate 50,000 customers.

I’ve now heard 2 Celtic greats, Murdo McLeod and David Hay say ‘enough is enough’, I suspect
the same might be heard in the Celtic Park boardroom and definitely in others.

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AngusPosted on9:53 pm - Sep 22, 2012


The SPL investigation.

What’s the bets that the end result will be that Rangers FC are prevented, with immediate effect, from being in the SPL for a period not exceeding, um, hang on a minute… two and a half years?

🙂

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AgrajagPosted on10:13 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Webster says:
September 22, 2012 at 20:43

Thanks for that.

Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

Darrell King knows that the players had two contracts.

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chancer67Posted on10:14 pm - Sep 22, 2012


ianb1547, on 22 September 2012 – 11:51 AM, said:
The powers that be dont neccesarily go along with this. The reason I say that is because I asked SFA why we were in the 2nd round of the scottish cup (when teams that were in SPL in previous season dont enter until a later round).

This was the email I got back from the SFA.

Thank you for your email the contents of which have been noted.

The Club to whom you refer no longer exists i.e. Rangers FC and
therefore the rule highlighted by you cannot be applied.

The newco club, The Rangers FC, as you know operate under the auspices
of the Scottish Football League Division 3 and, as a consequence of
their position in that league, enters the competition in Round Two.

Thank you for taking the trouble to write

Got this from RM it seems that the SFA are in fact treating them as a seperate club if so the bears are not going to like it.After this was posted the thread went very quiet no doubt they are begining to realise that they are well and truly f****.

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essexbeancounterPosted on10:18 pm - Sep 22, 2012


redlichtie says:

September 22, 2012 at 20:11

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For clarity here is the EBT declaration in Ranger’s accounts (thanks RTC) :

“The Rangers Employee Benefit Trust and Murray Group Management Ltd. Remuneration Trust were established to provide incentives to certain employees and other service providers. Payments to these Trusts are charged to the Group Profit and Loss Account in the year incurred.”

The aim was thus to provide ‘incentives’ to unnamed employees and ‘other service providers’.

Nowhere is there any indication that the EBTs have anything to do with player or staff compensation – ‘incentives’ is the word used.

These ‘incentives’ of course had to have been non-contractual otherwise they would have become liable to tax and, in the case of players, subject to declaration to the SPL/SFA.

Having said that the very idea of paying ‘incentives’ via an EBT appears to call in to doubt the supposed ‘arms length’ arrangements required for the proper operation of an EBT by independent trustees.

The addition of the phrase ‘and other service providers’ is also interesting as it may have been inserted to add further distancing from the idea that ‘compensation’ may have been involved – or it may simply point to the use of the EBT vehicle being used to make payments to third parties who could conceivably be described as ‘service providers’ to Rangers FC.

‘Advisors’ on transfer matters perhaps?
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Redlichtie…thank your for a most succinct summary of the accounts…if only the Scottish MSM would be so concise.

I have posted on here on two occasions that I have heard Andrew Thornhill QC speak at a tax conference where he said that “…poor Rangers got the administation wrong…”

This was after the FTT(T) had finished hearing evidence….!

Surely, this indicates that no matter how the legislation re EBTs is interpreted, in favour or against RFC(IA), the assertion that the trusts (and remember there was one for each “beneficiary”) were not adminstered correctly, surely points in the direction of only one possible verdict from the FTT(T)…?

PS I may be wrong in my recollections, but did not Trident Trustees, the original trust administrators, either threaten to or actually resign their administration agreements on account of the shortcomings of RFC(IA) or MIH…?

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AgrajagPosted on10:19 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Here’s Chick flip flopping, charlatan.

Can you remember how much Chick considered as a wee night out.

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AgrajagPosted on10:23 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Chick Young’s “name names” moment.

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BrendaPosted on10:24 pm - Sep 22, 2012


jmaclure @ 21:46

Probably not a good weekend to carry out a survey……… Bank holiday weekend …….kids off school (some till Wednesday) people may have been on holiday? Unless you want them to have dual lives and be in 2 places at once?? On a serious note football attendances are in decline but so is everything else ……….can’t get blood from a stone 🙂

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AgrajagPosted on10:26 pm - Sep 22, 2012


It was £95,000 apparently.

Not a bad wee night out.

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BrendaPosted on10:30 pm - Sep 22, 2012


New name in operation previously known as Brenda!!

[TSFM – Brenda, you can change your “public display name” on your WP profile back to Brenda if you like]

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AgrajagPosted on10:39 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Apologies, my last post from youtube was totally the wrong one, there’s no way for me to delete it.

Admin, please feel free to do that for me, it was a genuine mistake, the intended clip was Chick Young raving about naming people who had emailed the show.

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jmaclurePosted on10:41 pm - Sep 22, 2012


weebrenda says:

September 22, 2012 at 22:24

Well here is some other figures to ponder

Up to and including the Rangers v Celtc match on 18/9/11 there had been 567,173 people at 45 matches, an average of 12,604

So far this season 382,875 have attended 39 matches, an average of 9,817

I would say the alarm bells are ringing very loudly.

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AgrajagPosted on10:41 pm - Sep 22, 2012


weebrenda says:
September 22, 2012 at 22:30

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You can change your displayed name if you want, it doesn’t have to be the same as your login name. So if you couldn’t get the one you want “Brenda” that shouldn’t really matter.

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campsiejoePosted on10:54 pm - Sep 22, 2012


jmaclure @ 22:41

Fairly meaningless comparison to be honest
Would you like to give us the figures if you exclude RFC’s(IA) crowds from last seasons numbers, and exclude Dundee’s from this season

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BrendaPosted on10:56 pm - Sep 22, 2012


jmaclure

Alarm bells are ringing all over, football is the least of some people’s worries ie they can’t pay their mortgage and feed their families! That’s slightly more important than going to a football match!!! If the SFA want higher attendances bring the prices down and put a stop to teams not paying what they owe to other teams for a start. Scottish football is dying on it’s ass but who’s fault is that?? If everyone paid the tax they owe I think maybe our country let alone our football assoc and the teams involved would be much better off.

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Long Time LurkerPosted on10:57 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Interesting comment from Mr James [Jabba] Traynor on your call tonight – Mr Doncaster and Mr Regan are only following the instructions of their respective boards.

If that’s the case – to what extent is Mr Olgivie pulling the strings – when potentially in conflict of a payment from the SFA (his wages) whilst owing monies to MIH via a [EBT] loan?

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jmaclurePosted on10:59 pm - Sep 22, 2012


campsiejoe says:

September 22, 2012 at 22:54

If you can prove there is not a problem fair enough.

I just happen to think there is, and attendances aint going to get better , want a bet?

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BrendaPosted on11:05 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Agrajag

Won’t let me change it 🙁 but new name ok thanks anyway 🙂

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jmaclurePosted on11:05 pm - Sep 22, 2012


weebrenda says:

September 22, 2012 at 22:56
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The family comes first, always, Brenda, no argument.

Just a little bit miffed about those wildly optimistic prophesies made of attendances not suffering.

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mikeholyPosted on11:06 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Re average attendences in the SPL , now that rangers are not there you would expect the average to go down. Why ? At this point in time rangers would have played around 3 home games at say 45/50,000 at rangers games i.e. 125/150,000 supporters all income from which would belong to rangers so what is the problem ?

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AgrajagPosted on11:06 pm - Sep 22, 2012


campsiejoe says:
September 22, 2012 at 22:54

jmaclure @ 22:41

Fairly meaningless comparison to be honest
Would you like to give us the figures if you exclude RFC’s(IA) crowds from last seasons numbers, and exclude Dundee’s from this season

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So average attendances have dropped from an average of 12k to 9k when Rangers died and were replaced by Dundee. So 3k per game.

If there are 6 games that would be total lost attendance of 18k, per week, would that be right.

So does that mean that Rangers attendances were averaging 18k more than Dundee.

That cant be right, can it.

Oh well, we are just going to have to live with it, given that Rangers aren’t about any more.

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andyPosted on11:07 pm - Sep 22, 2012


http://i48.tinypic.com/34nof48.jpg

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looks like there is nothing green wont do to sell shares

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BrendaPosted on11:08 pm - Sep 22, 2012


jmaclure

Very true but when have we ever had that thing called truth from anyone in ‘power’ they make it up as the go along for the most part 🙂

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dedeideoprofundisPosted on11:12 pm - Sep 22, 2012


What’s new, pussycat?

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mikeholyPosted on11:13 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Testing

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john clarkePosted on11:13 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Fell victim to the new procedures. i think i’ll need to get some whizz-kid 50-year-old computer geek in to post my posts!

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BrendaPosted on11:15 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Result :s I hope 🙂

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smartie1947Posted on11:23 pm - Sep 22, 2012


mikeholy says:

September 22, 2012 at 23:06

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Re average attendences in the SPL , now that rangers are not there you would expect the average to go down. Why ? At this point in time rangers would have played around 3 home games at say 45/50,000 at rangers games i.e. 125/150,000 supporters all income from which would belong to rangers so what is the problem ?

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“All income from which would belong to Rangers”
And none to HMRC !

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andyPosted on11:24 pm - Sep 22, 2012


anyone else see Green with his latest advertising for the share issue ?

the tangerine top

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parmahamsterPosted on11:31 pm - Sep 22, 2012


jmaclure says:

September 22, 2012 at 21:46

I’ve now heard 2 Celtic greats, Murdo McLeod and David Hay say ‘enough is enough’, I suspect
the same might be heard in the Celtic Park boardroom and definitely in others.
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Dream on.

As for McLeod being a “Celtic great”, he lost that accolade the morning he wrote off the antics of Diouf and Bougherra as just players caught up in the atmosphere.

Or the comments he made in another Retard column concerning Neil Lennon and why he deserved his touchline ban after the spat with McCoist.

Or even his nonsense today about an Atlantic League, agreeing with those genii Traynor, Young and Dodds, right after having the utter gall to plea for the last twelve years of chicanery from the G51 basket cases to be virtually written off.

McLeod has virtually no credibility as a pundit these days – try asking a cross-section of Celtic fans on their opinion of him these days.

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wottpiPosted on11:33 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Just wondering about where this European Club Association Supranational cup etc etc story has come from.
It doesn’t seem to have been an agenda item for the recent meeting and apart from Chris McLaughlin there doesn’t seem to be anything else emerging on the web.

I could be wrong but the only person in Scotland who has beenpublicly banging on about the ECA Geneva meeting has been Charles Green.

Just wondering who fed McLaughlin the story?

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reidy134Posted on11:44 pm - Sep 22, 2012


Jmaclure
I’m interested to see your research and proven analysis that the reason for reduced crowds are wholly down to the demise of Sevco (that were once were RFC) and not due to the recession or the fact that most households are earning less to pay more for their day to day bills. The arrogance of that post is astounding.

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Livia BurlandoPosted on11:55 pm - Sep 22, 2012


sorry, one more test I know it’s a pain

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TSFMPosted on11:58 pm - Sep 22, 2012


A wee reminder that the WordPress login thing starts at midnight tonight folks.
I think the voting has been reasonably conclusive on that.

For information, the poll is hosted by polldaddy independently, can’t be tampered with, and voting is restricted to one vote per computer, so it is a reasonably true refelction of views.

At the changeover, most of you probably won’t notice anything, but we have decided to start with a clean slate. There are no banned words, because I assume that people will do their very best to observe the site etiquette. We have also cleared out the banned list. Thus far, this has been populated in the main by people who persistently add non-topic discussion to the main blog (or trolling in other words).
Therefore, the only people who should find themselves in moderation will be first time posters (also applies to posters with new IDs & posters who were previously banned), or those who WordPress thinks are spammers. No idea how they arrive at these conclusions, but from time to time we find posts in spam folders which appear to look nothing like spam.

I do expect to see that banned list grow again for obvious reasons, but we thought it may be a decent gesture in view of our new regime. 🙂

NB: Those of you who don’t want a WordPress account can still log in using either Twitter or Facebook.

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doontheslopePosted on12:03 am - Sep 23, 2012


Apologies for last post, TSFM, about Harry Redknapp commenting on the ‘lack of integrity’ in the Chelsea game. Just pull it.

I actually think Ol’ Harry is the dog’s bollox. Apparently, so does the dog’s bank manager.

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ekloonPosted on12:07 am - Sep 23, 2012


Shame about the attendance drop in SPL games already. Now let’s do a similar calculation for SFL3.

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misterblooskyPosted on12:14 am - Sep 23, 2012


Test

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TSFMPosted on12:58 am - Sep 23, 2012


benelong/jc

Go to your WordPress profile and then to your “Public Display name”. You can change that to whatever you want. Your username will still be benelong, but you can go back to be “The Brush” on here of you wish 🙂

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taxlawplebeianPosted on1:06 am - Sep 23, 2012


Test

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ekloonPosted on1:09 am - Sep 23, 2012


My point is, has there not just been a redistribution of the attendances over the leagues or divisions involved?

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MikeCPosted on1:38 am - Sep 23, 2012


Testing for MikeC

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ExiledCeltPosted on1:40 am - Sep 23, 2012


redlichtie says:

September 22, 2012 at 20:11

For clarity here is the EBT declaration in Ranger’s accounts (thanks RTC) :

“The Rangers Employee Benefit Trust and Murray Group Management Ltd. Remuneration Trust were established to provide incentives to certain employees and other service providers. Payments to these Trusts are charged to the Group Profit and Loss Account in the year incurred.”

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So when Souness received his EBT loan whiel at Blackburn/Newcastle, was he an employer or service provider.

Note that Celtic’s EBT statement mentioned ex-employees – that was Juninho’s status so no issue there either.

Lord Cardigan at Everton and Scotland – employee or service provider?

What was the service they were providing? Transfer fee inflating provider? Money Investment Adviser? What was the service – what were you beng paid for boys?

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ExiledCeltPosted on2:33 am - Sep 23, 2012


Jmclure – your argument is bogus – no one said at any time that SPL teams would make up the difference in SPL attendences from the abscence due to their actions of Rangers-NIL. Given that Rangers-NIL had at least 40+K for their home games this was never going to be made up by Dundee. No one ever claimed it would be. What was claimed is that the rest of the SPL clubs income from Rangers-NIL from their homes games would be made up by extra supporters – either Dundee plus the difference – or a few thousand. However as others have stated, the way the authroities have bent over backwards to help the new club has angered many people who won’t attend due to disgust at the levle of backroom deals to keep CG sweet.

Since Rangers-NIL kept their money form the 40K and never paid any taxes on it – no one else in Scotland will suffer the loss of it. If anything the taxes paid by the new club will be a boost to the economy. The rest is pocketed by Charlie for Ticketus.

So please add up attendences as you want every week – although not sure you could know that 600 Inverness fans were there at Easter Road – but you are illogical in your theory of impending doom.

If I were you I woudl be more worried how your new club will make it to the end of the season…..

We will be fine – the clubs playing in SPL will all be around long after the current T’Rangers club has folded again, if I were to bet on it………

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ExiledCeltPosted on2:36 am - Sep 23, 2012


andy says:

September 22, 2012 at 23:24

anyone else see Green with his latest advertising for the share issue ?

the tangerine top

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Do you have a link for the picture on a website so we know its not a photo shop thing?

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alan280170Posted on2:44 am - Sep 23, 2012


TUPe’d over test test

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alan280170Posted on3:07 am - Sep 23, 2012


Is your Call with Cosgrove and Jabba on Itunes?

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KatiePosted on3:23 am - Sep 23, 2012


alan280170 says:
September 23, 2012 at 03:07

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mwv12
Your Call

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onthebawPosted on3:30 am - Sep 23, 2012


Also tuped over…… purely as a lurker though..
Oh, and Jabba said in response to Sir Cosgrove, ‘i don’t know why they call me Jabba ‘ lol.

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Danish PastryPosted on4:29 am - Sep 23, 2012


Mr Spiers has been busy reading too …

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/newco-rangers-must-answer-oldco-charges-insists-commission-chief-1-2542646

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Parson St. BhoyPosted on4:44 am - Sep 23, 2012


exciledcelt says:
September 23, 2012 at 02:36

Do you have a link for the picture on a website so we know its not a photo shop thing?
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Mr. Charles making himself look a proper Charlie.

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww211/CharmSkoolReject/17EFD2FD-783F-4559-9F74-C58C9B688F57-609-0000003475994F7E_zps82b95c2b.jpg

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ExiledCeltPosted on5:15 am - Sep 23, 2012


http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?s=afab68c58de4ba4ad028b8f289614fca&showtopic=238931&st=0

Yep – he is an idiot officially!

Anyone pandering to the Bears in an orange top (or tangerine as SDM said at the time) needs educated on what he is encouraging in the WoS cesspool……….

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Danish PastryPosted on5:16 am - Sep 23, 2012


If, in spite of the current media blitz highlighting the ‘injustices’ Rangers have suffered, the share thing flops – then what? His 20 investors will have to keep the ship afloat, I take it.

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The CEPosted on5:24 am - Sep 23, 2012


The Dog Whistler trying to have us believe Sevco are ‘clear underdogs’ against Motherwell. 🙄

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/ally-mccoist-death-by-a-thousand-cups-1-2542683

How’d the wage bills compare then Ally you buffoon? He’d actually be pretty amusing if he didn’t encourage threats against innocent people now and again.

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ExiledCeltPosted on5:36 am - Sep 23, 2012


DP – the finances of a football club are front loaded – the ST money comes at the beginning of the season – since he has had a very good ST campaign there will be very few additional walk ups for Ibrox going forward. Plus the away support will be inconsequential in the SFL3. His hopes for extra money if the IPO flops are pretty dire.

He is going to have a few other options

(1) Sell some players in January – but there is no MacGregor or Naismith or Davis that would give him the millions – I think that is where his plan went awry – he did not realise they could walk away. His plan was to sell the big guns in July – that source of money has vanished much to his chagrin.
(2) A long cup run at home getting draws against SPL teams – many draws/replays – but these are all shared with the other clubs so not a major source – plus you have Swally who has a penchant for losing in cups.
(3) Friendlies against European or English teams – could be a few but this won’t keep them going for long.
(4) Tap existing investors – they already put up money on promises of a quick return – they are nto going to give more money easily.
(5) Find other investors – no one came in before – and if its a lot of money, they won’t let him run the show or get the money
(6) Sell Ibrox or Murray Park and lease it back – unless this is being done already 😉

I think none of these will replace an IPO – so his eggs are in one basket – he can walk away now or try for an IPO – he will give the IPO a shot – he may try for a quick IPO but he needs to do a full disclosure of his financial dealings and status for the city investors to come in. Unless he wants only the Grannies to put in 10 bobn each much like The Producers, but that won’t yield enough. He needs the city to coem in for a successful flatation – and that is not goign to happen with the current status.

Other than that, he has not many options to last the season in my opinion.

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Danish PastryPosted on5:41 am - Sep 23, 2012


exiledcelt says:
September 23, 2012 at 05:15

Anyone pandering to the Bears in an orange top (or tangerine as SDM said at the time) needs educated on what he is encouraging …
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I agree. But to be fair it looks as though someone has just pulled it over his head. Isn’t that top a bit dated? Mind you, if there’s nae money for Charles in fitba branching out into orange leisurewear might be just the thing to bring in a few quid – from those who like this type of thing.

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ExiledCeltPosted on5:52 am - Sep 23, 2012


DP – its the top from 2003 that SDM claimed was nto orange but tangerine – note the sponsorship. However, as the likes of Donald Findlay would agree, you need to be careful what folks encourage you to do. In today’s internet world, the se pics will get out there – it took Andy Goram’s wife to get bitter with before she releashed his treasure trove of dodgy pictures with Norn Iron types.

He has said before he will have an orange 3rd top as he promised at one of these fans groups – as you can see from the reactions from the young and hard of thinking types over on RM, he is now a hero. Playing to the correct gallery for sure.

Instead of impressing them with a realistic business plan and being open and transparent – its easier to tell them nonsens about European summits, Disney and Dallas Cowboys and then wear an orange top.

Very sad they are not questioning him at all

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