Moving On Time?

ByAndrew Smith

Moving On Time?

Football is indeed a funny old game.
In a year of pandemic misery our national sport has lifted the spirits of a tired and cynical nation.
Dominic Cummings is leaving number 10, the Brexit deal hasn’t been done, lockdown is on the horizon in the West of Scotland, etc. BUT all we want to do is talk about and relive our team finally doing the business.

For once lady luck came down on our side.

If we been the team to miss our last penalty and had the Serbians scored then Serbian Football would be £10million plus better off and it would be their team heading for Hampden and Wembley.

We’d still be in the doldrums and a Pandemic-accelerated financial basket case.

Scotland is now in their first finals since France 1998 and the nation is smiling and talking positively.

There is no doubt that Steve Clarke’s influence has been huge and we all owe him a real debt especially the bean counters at Hampden who must have been hiding behind their settees hiding their eyes through extra time and into the shoot-out.

Scotland is playing more like a club team with a binding spirit rather than a group of individuals who have just met, are there for the match fee and want to stay in their previous cliques.

The dark side is never far away though.
Overconfidence is always an issue when Scotland wins a few games.

Journalists are now filling pages talking about our 9 game unbeaten run and digging up statistics from the past about what 10 in a row would mean.

The fact that since we got humped 4-0 by Russia we’ve been playing second and third level teams rather than the big boys is somehow never mentioned as a counterbalance.

That we have qualified after 2 penalty shoot outs with a statistically unlikely 10 out of 10 consecutive strikes is put down to practicing penalty taking better than Israel and Serbia.

The two games in the next 4 days might extend our run or not – it doesn’t really matter.

We have the big prize for now and qualified against the odds.
Records will show the much higher ranked Norway and Serbia teams will be at home.

Ok we’ll be at home too but playing at Hampden and Wembalee.

Scottish Football on the park has rediscovered and is redefining teamwork.

Nothing else in our game or set up has changed
(That is a discussion for many another day though).

The success of our team is to a great extent serendipitous.

It’s not something anyone in a suit at Hampden has facilitated or can take credit for outside of hiring Mr Clarke who as Chic was telling us yesterday was the obvious candidate.

The right manager, Steve has gathered a promising group of players and with them negotiated a series of testing challenges.
The stark reality is sometimes the recent games have been painful to watch but progress in baby steps has been noticeable and we genuinely played well against the more fancied Serbia.

Teamwork has been our bedrock.

Teamwork that has been missing for a long time in our international set up and I would argue throughout our game behind the scenes.

Yes we lost a silly goal at the death but Serbia is some 15 places above us in the FIFA rankings and on the night we were by far the better side.
The same Serbian team that had just returned from Oslo having taken apart the much-vaunted Norwegian side.

Steve Clarke has been the catalyst that has facilitated the unforeseen move from Scotland being a team of self-interested individuals into one with the team spirit.

Yes Steve We Can Boogie.

The Scottish team has moved on and the future is brighter on the international stage.

I understand too why many previously ardent Scots fans had distanced themselves from the team as a personal protest against The SFA and their actions over the last few years.
I get that.
But listening to Ryan and Andy and Lyndon and Steve was enough to demonstrate that these guys are playing for the country and their folks back home and not the blazers or the system.
I buy into their passion and that alone is enough to bring even the stubbornest fans back aboard.

When Big Pink asked me to write a blog about the future of this site a couple of weeks back I said I would like to lurk for a few weeks and do some digging.

I have lurked and gone even further back too.

Top line is the SFM blog is not what it was but you all know that.

Here is Some Feedback

Bit by bit; imperceptibly over the months and years the site has entrenched into the home of the anger and the facts against what John Clark has come to call “The Big Lie”.
Its about how the authorities dealt with the financial collapse of Rangers and set the scene for a series of mayhemic events since.

It’s a big Scottish football story and a good insight into how the game managed itself

But other things have been happening since and football has broken out.

One of you said just yesterday
“This site has become a single issue site only becoming alive when something IBROX is current”.

That is partially true and is something to address because it diminishes what this site can achieve.

The number of posters has eroded since the RTC days and the number of clubs represented by posters has also diminished. The site was always a little Celtic minded but open and welcoming of all clubs at the same time.

Some of that goodwill leaked away in this summer’s SPFL pantomime season when self-interest and the quest for 10 became a subconscious position for some of your group.

The level of politeness and the moderation on the site has however remained a huge asset and is almost unique.

This openness has led recently to one serial troll reappearing after several previous monikers and he/she/they have been playing games with several well know posters. The resultant “dancing on a head of a pin” conversations are not so much “Monitoring Scottish Football” as “doing people’s heads in” and this episode has not helped.
That being said I wish salmon were as easy to hook as some on here.

I don’t think there are enough Headline Blogs like this one and in the past I’ve been told many new blogs are simply skimmed politely and ignored as the discussion reverts to the ongoing various fall outs of the consequences of the infamous secret 5 way agreement and all that has ensued following that particular monumental administrative cock up.

I well remember too and liked Stunney and his papers every morning and even though most of what is written in the back pages of the red tops is there to fill space it was still fun to read.

At the same time there has been so much going on that would have benefitted from the forensic discussion that SFM posters brought to the party.
The court reporting by John Clark, EasyJambo and others has been quite dogged, incredibly insightful and shown up the media on many an occasion.

As the subjects under discussion on SFM became narrower I think the site stopped attracting new blood and also accelerated the departure of valued posters.

The diminishing site then became easier for serial disrupters to play with and the ever-decreasing circles metaphor has probably become a reality.

Finally, the adverts on the site that appeared, as if by magic, a few years ago do not deliver enough revenue to justify the inconvenience to readers.
I can’t read the site on my phone without clicking into people trying to sell me stuff I have no interest in.

That’s just a summary of my views as someone who values what this site has brought over the years.

Is it Time for a Reboot at SFM?

I’d say yes and here are a few suggestions to get you thinking and to start a discussion ahead of Big P and his monitors taking some decisions.

Scottish Football needs an independent conscience.

Scottish Football will be the stronger for it.

SFM can be a huge part of that.

Not all fans will want to be part of it because many just want to support their teams and that is fair enough but without a fan voice and without real analysis of what is really going on all that will happen is we’ll get more of the same that took us into the football wilderness.

And without the right changes even Steve Clarke will run out of steam one day when the penalty gods favour some other side.

So here are 5 ideas for SFM to consider

1 A Regular Blog
This doesn’t have to be written for us like in the past– it can just be a weekly news pick that we highlight to set a discussion agenda.

2 The Creation of a John Clark Wall where we hold the facts about the run up to and the creation of his “big lie”.
Set it all our logically and leave it alone for a future date.
It won’t go away because the action created issues for everyone involved.
It should be constructed for all fans with no jelly and ice cream flavouring.

This action would makes SFM the experts and place to go to read what really happened, helps get that monkey off everyone’s back and can be revisited every February 14th or when something turns up.
It might throw more light too in why we are rejoicing about Scotland getting a £10M windfall from qualifying while nobody is talking about the £80M court case costs heading our way as a nation.
All out of a secret 5 way construct back in 2012 and good for nobody whoever you support.

In the meantime SFM should broaden the discussion on other areas like the dropping of the pyramid, the secrecy inherent at the SFA, SPFL and their JRG, Strict Liability, etc. etc. etc.

3 The return of likes for posts that are good or if you agree but with a difference.
I occasionally post on another site which is free to read for anyone but if you want to post or like another post you have to be registered and all likes show the name of the person who has posted.

4 A consideration for different threads at the same time.

5 No ads.
Sponsorship is fine and banner ads for sponsors too but no commercial links that wheech you off to pastures unknown.

Evolution rather than Revolution

I look forward to the debate and to working with Big Pink and his team.
As chair of the largest Scottish group of fans the SFSA (If you’re not a member please join) I know that the only certainty is that fans will never agree about everything or sometimes even anything.

The tribal and competitive nature of football sets us against each other and causes divisions and disagreements that can become entrenched.
Some would say that is part of the fun of it all.

That being said we do generally agree and care deeply about the following.
We want vision, leadership and most of all fairness and transparency.

All alien words in our game as is.

OK Scotland has qualified for a major championship but our game is still locked in a self-interest framed self-imposed wrestling hold and the fact is that escape will never happen without change.

SFM and SFSA can both be part of that.

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Cluster OnePosted on7:08 pm - Dec 17, 2020

John Clark 16th December 2020 at 23:01



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Homunculus 16th December 2020 at 20:42′

“.To be fair on the current board, King’s move was a bit off, even for him.”


In fairness to King (choke, choke!) his prime motivation has ever been to try to get his original (according to him) £20M investment back
And he has vowed to sue Sir David’s Murray Group firm to claw back the
£20million he put into the club in 2001 under the steel tycoon’s watch,
claiming Sir David duped him over Rangers’ financial situation.

King, 55, said: “I have made a claim of £20million on the basis of
non-disclosure by the then chairman, David Murray, of Rangers’ true
financial position as far back as 2000.
“Other shareholders may feel deceived like I do and wish to take similar

He added that if he wins his action against Sir David he will plough the cash
back into a newly-formed Rangers.

King said: “I want to advise the fans and fellow shareholders that any benefit
I receive from my claim will be fully reinvested into the restructured
football club.

“I am 100 per cent committed to Rangers and will do whatever I can to advance
their interests.”

King was equally bitter over Whyte’s handling of the club.
Can’t be long now until king ploughs the cash
back into a newly-formed Rangers.

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upthehoopsPosted on9:19 pm - Dec 17, 2020

Big Pink 17th December 2020 at 14:34

Update on our migration process. We've decided to provide a forum for fans of all clubs as sub-forums on the new site.


Sounds good. Looking forward to engaging on the site again. 

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Ex LudoPosted on9:17 am - Dec 18, 2020

ClusterOne@18.09 yesterday 

The late Ian Archer’s description of Rangers being a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace springs to mind here. 
I’ve not commented much lately but the current moves to sell DK’s shares aptly demonstrates that cash is King and King is all about the cash.

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Corrupt officialPosted on10:29 am - Dec 18, 2020

  I suppose that is the opportunity to flog a bucket-load of unbranded, untitled, nae makers mark jerseys for the final scuppered.

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on11:00 am - Dec 18, 2020

Corrupt official 18th December 2020 at 10:29


The strips are made by Castore and their logo is on the jersey but it’s also blue so that makes it difficult to see. So it is an official product and it’s available on the club website. 

I think it looks quite smart but at an eye watering £68 seems expensive. Don’t know what the cost of a football top is these days. Looks like it’s sold out in most sizes so has been pretty popular. 

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TimtimPosted on11:44 am - Dec 18, 2020

page 65 covers the relevant rules re kit but as is usual with the rules it leaves room for interpretation and a get out of jail free card with the "unless approved by the board" . It specifies colour of kit so a blue top may be a blue top regardless of the colour of the collar . A couple of years ago they did turn up and play a European away game in a red training top and got away with it so I doubt very much that anything will come of this. The lack of sponsors logo may be a different matter , having paid for advertising for it not to appear may constitute a breach of contract but that will be a matter between the parties concerned. Showcasing the new retro top to boost sales just before Christmas may have been their priority.  

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on11:56 am - Dec 18, 2020

I read somewhere that TRFC said that the intention was always to wear the unadorned, vintage-style top in the two domestic cup competitions this season. Their (several) shirt-sponsors were apparently quite happy with this.

It wasn't worn against Falkirk because of a colour-clash. The white strip that was worn for that match featured the usual sponsors's names.

Odd, isn't it?

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Corrupt officialPosted on12:43 pm - Dec 18, 2020

Short reply Incredible as on phone, but happy to be put right. 

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on1:22 pm - Dec 18, 2020

Corrupt official 18th December 2020 at 12:43


There was an announcement months ago about the retro style strip, complete with the obligatory trolling about history, and the sponsors were on board with the idea.

Doesn’t appear to be anything going on here and as another poster said it was probably just an opportunity to showcase the top to grab some extra Xmas sales. That could have went better. 

A similar scenario might be when a team wears next seasons strip in the Scottish cup final. This top won’t be making an appearance in the league cup final but you know what I mean. 

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fishnishPosted on1:30 pm - Dec 18, 2020

StevieBC 17th December 2020 at 10:09

As this is the Scottish Football Monitor,

well done to the Buddies for their epic, totally unexpected Cup win last night.

Likewise, it’s good for the game that Ross County also progressed in the cup with their own big win.

At least one piece of silverware will be leaving Glasgow this season – which is no bad thing at all, IMO.


Thank you for the totally unexpected reference on here about there being TWO teams playing in that match!

However, as Saints had been on an undefeated run of 9 (now 10) matches – among Buddies there was a big expectation of getting such a positive result.

This has looked like an impressive group of players for a while, talented and hard-working.  J Goodwin has at last got them playing as a cohesive team.  As the response the late equaliser showed.

It has to be said that Lady Luck played her part when Dallas got ill and the opposition had to play with a man short.

Barring any more arbitrary docking of points by the impotents in charge of Scottish fitba, we believe it may be an amazing year of not contesting relegation yet again.

It IS positive that the silverware will not be staying Glasgow.  The Bookies seem sure it on’t be going to Paisley as Saints are 10/1 for the cup, whereas Livvy are 9/4.

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bordersdonPosted on4:46 pm - Dec 18, 2020

Scottish clubs face ‘radical change’ as Brexit changes signing rules for EU players – BBC Sport


Could be a major change! Heading for some kind of points based system although the SFA/SPFL are apparently trying to make the rules different in Scotland. I would imagine Celtic and Rangers* would be looking for a lower threshold than applies to the EPL so that they can continue with the buy low and sell on strategy? My initial thoughts (assuming the rules are GB wide) are:

  1. Home grown talent would get a better chance? and therefor help the National team (I know some on here don’t give a toss about that).
  2. “Might” help narrow the financial gap between the 2 and the rest (if the business model is more difficult to succeed)? and so “might” make the league more competitive.
  3. The 2 would probably find a way round it anyway!!

Interested to hear views.



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John ClarkPosted on6:41 pm - Dec 18, 2020

incredibleadamspark 18th December 2020 at 11:00

'..The strips are made by Castore..'


Not being a businessman of any kind, I'm still unclear about the actual manufacturing of the Castore brand products.

There appears to be no manufacturing company named 'Castore Ltd' ( even though the wikipedia entry for 'Castore'  (that shows the logo) refers to 'Castore manufacturers'

The two boys who created  and own the brand are the  directors of the 'J Carter Sporting Club Ltd ', which has 33 shareholders in all, a number of them Venture Capitalists.

But that company has only 15 employees!  

Would that number of employees be able to manufacture the volumes of items of kit that would be expected to generate deals worth £25M or more with football and other sports clubs?

If not, can we find out which companies are actually franchised to manufacture the gear?

I'm genuinely intrigued , with no reference to the fact that TRFC has a deal with 'Castore'

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bigboab1916Posted on7:34 pm - Dec 18, 2020


Cup tops the lot



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HomunculusPosted on9:26 pm - Dec 18, 2020

John Clark 18th December 2020 at 18:41

If I remember correctly there was a whole load of discussion wih regards the quality of some of the items and it turned out some was made in China, some was made in India and I think some was made in Europe, I have no idea which manufacturer actually made the stuff but I suspect it was just factories who were able to produce what was required so long as they were given the materials and the patterns.

I don't think that's too unusual but I have no experience in the field. 

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John ClarkPosted on9:33 pm - Dec 18, 2020

bordersdon 18th December 2020 at 16:46

'..(assuming the rules are GB wide)..'


As far as I know, bordersdon, the Home Office rules are UK-wide.

 Wales , Scotland and  Nor'n Ireland , although having internationally recognised distinct and separate Football governance bodies  appear not to have any power under the devolution settlements (or the equivalent) to derogate from them.

That builds in a kind of discrimination in favour of the wealthy end of English football, I would imagine, since the assumption must be that players qualifying for the 15 points would likely be pricier than even the richest clubs in the three devolved administrations could afford .

One does not have be politically Nationalist to imagine that some wee English Nats in the Home Office might be at the madam.broken heart

Hope Jeane Freeman MS backs anything that the SFA has to say

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Cluster OnePosted on9:45 pm - Dec 18, 2020

bordersdon 18th December 2020 at 16:46
“Might” help narrow the financial gap between the 2 and the rest (if the business model is more difficult to succeed)? and so “might” make the league more competitive.
Would buy the best talent from the clubs in the same league.

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John ClarkPosted on10:19 pm - Dec 18, 2020

Homunculus 18th December 2020 at 21:26

'..there was a whole load of discussion wih regards the quality of some of the items and it turned out some was made in China, some was made in India and I think some was made in Europe..'


Gosh, I remember that now; and wondering how Castore could , without pretty immediate access to the production lines) guarantee the much-vaunted innovative quality of their stuff (as described on their 'about us' ) page on the web.

It seems strange to claim to be 'manufacturers' if all you've done is let someone make things to your  design!

I'm prompted to ask whether SDI , JD and  the many other big and not so big names in sportswear  actually all use the same manufacturers? 

There's a whole world of commerce and business that I'm beginning ,in my closing years, to wish that I had known something about!

Mind you, ever since I discovered that my life assurance 'adviser'  got the first two years worth of premiums on the policies he sold me, I've been distrustful of 'business' and those involved.

No! I tell a lie: my distrust goes back to the 1960s when I was turned down for a job with AG Barr, then of Parkhead Cross!

Just the other week, as it happens, I looked up 'Scotlandspeople' to see if the then arrogant sod who 'interviewed' me at that time had died over the years since! He was maybe 10 or 12 years older than I, so he probably has. 

No harm to him, but maybe he now knows what a great man he missed, God rest him!broken heart

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Cluster OnePosted on10:46 pm - Dec 18, 2020
Club Statement
By James Stout
2 hours ago
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Scottish FA Disciplinary Tribunal

Following our Scottish Cup 2nd Preliminary Round tie with Hill of Beath Hawthorn on Saturday 12 December, The Club was made aware that one of the opposition players was potentially ineligible and should have been serving a suspension. The Club raised this matter with the Scottish FA on Monday morning and asked them to investigate.

The Club received an email late this afternoon from The Scottish FA to inform us that a Disciplinary Tribunal met this afternoon and has censured Hill of Beath Hawthorn and issued a £2,000 fine, which is suspended until the end of the 2020/21 season.

The Club finds this outcome baffling and inconsistent with The Scottish FA’s own rules for the competition and previous sanctions where a club has been found to have fielded an ineligible player.

As far as The Club can ascertain, regardless of circumstances, the Judicial Panel Protocol is clear that there is a mandatory ejection from The Scottish Cup for fielding an ineligible player (Rule 303, associated with Scottish Cup Rule 12).

To further compound our sense of injustice, the tribunal has reinstated the players suspension, resulting in the player missing the next round of The Scottish Cup.

Our supporters can be rest assured that The Club are raising this matter directly with The Scottish FA as a matter of urgency and will provide an update as and when they see fit to respond. The Club has however, been told that we have no right of appeal.
I’m sure there is a sandy Bryson rule somewhere

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John ClarkPosted on10:56 pm - Dec 18, 2020

bigboab1916 18th December 2020 at 19:34

'..Cup tops the lot..'


Cleverly ambiguous wording of the description matches the misleading words of the IPO prospectus!

"This Castore Rangers Cup Goalkeeper Shirt 2020 2021"

One would be led to believe that this shirt was the shirt-type worn by the goalie of the winners of a cup in season 2020-21, which will not now be the case

Was a shirt of that design worn at all by whoever was in goal for TRFC in the Bet-Fred cup competition out of which they were knocked by St Mirren?

Now, I don't blame TRFC or whomever for making ordinary advance commercial preparations, but to go online as if it were a foregone conclusion that a cup would be won?

Or is  that Ashley taking the piss?


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John ClarkPosted on11:42 pm - Dec 18, 2020

Cluster One 18th December 2020 at 22:46

“..I’m sure there is a sandy Bryson rule somewhere.’


The Bryson ‘Alice-in-Wonderland’ nonsensical interpretation  was as eagerly welcomed at the LNS tribunal as the nonsense that TRFC (aged 8) is Rangers of 1872 was ,by the 5-Way Agreement liars.

I suspect, though, that Whitehill Welfare are not as important enough in the eyes of men of no integrity and truth as were SDM’s Rangers. 

Those men have a lot to answer for.

[ I may have mentioned , long time ago, that one of my sons claimed a degree of ‘fame’ for having played against the   Whitehill Welfare team player who had played against Pierre van Hooijonk when Whitehill played Celtic not long before]

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AuldheidPosted on5:35 am - Dec 19, 2020


John Clark.


Res12 was ended by agreement with The Board on the condition that they take take over the task of challenging the SFA  in respect of the  abandonment of the Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal investigating breaches of UEFA FPP in 2011.

That is why Celtic  said Res12 was unecessary because all the evidence that would have been gathered had Res12 been passed in 2013, has been. (and sits with the UEFA integrity Unit since May  and July 2020 focussing not so much on Rangers but the SFA. The media havent picked up on that but it's a fact .

That evidence not only demonstrates the UEFA licence was granted under false pretence but in the delving  more evidence of Celtic lying to shareholders has been gathered too, on a large scale re LNS.

You have pointed out Mr Chap the consequences of Celtic not acting as promise at an AGM in writing (that was insisted upon)  which is that unless they do, they will be asking supporters,  and not just Celtic ones, to pay for a game where the rules that make it a sport no longer apply, to the benefit of the club who from 2000 have been in breach of the rule that requires them to act in good  faith to fellow member clubs.

The charge that LNS should have been asked to rule on not registration of players, which was premature, especially if SFA already had the evidence in shape of HMRC correspondence that the good faith rule had been broken, and there is reason to believe they had, especially with Campbell Ogilvie working in the SFA since 2005.

That no timeframe was stated in the Board's response was immediately picked up and Celtic were asked to set one and at AGM refused, and went off script from the actual AGM notice.

In doing so in the AGM notice they have said we will deal with the abandonment of the judicial process thus  Res12 is not necessary, but in not dealing with it timeosly they have created a moral dilemma as in how can they ask supporters to renew STs for a game they have admitted has questions over its integrity? Snooker.

Any Celtic supporter would be entitled to ask before renewing can you assure me the rules that provide a discipline to the game will be applied or will they be subject to commercial considerations as happened under the 5 Way Agreement.

Celtic supporters should not have to ask that question. The assurances should be given by say end March 2021 by Celtic.

The Board may double down on renewing being automatic, but not if the evidence accumulated pointing to  when they could have acted effectively becomes known.

That is the transparency bit, accountability comes next if the Celtic support at large decide they want it, which is where CST come in.

There is also a question if shareholders rights were being observed during the Res12 saga and if Directors responsibilities were adhered to.

Both take the matter away from the Res12 folk and over to the Celtic support at large in 'not will John Clark stand for it' but will Celtic supporters stand for being lied to by Celtic since 2013 to protect Rangers (for commercial reasons or as Celtic put it, in The Company's interests)

The Celtic Supporters Trust are growing in numbers, which will grow even further if they pick up the baton Res12 passed on and if the Celtic support want them too.

The supporters of every senior club in Scotland should take an interest as they too are being asked to pay for a game where there is no question that the current model they pay to watch is corrupt by its very nature.

Had it not been so, Rangers would never have died, so Rangers fans have a vested  interest too  in getting answers then solutions.

Then we can get all move on  to  watching our game with the toxicity removed, integrity and trust restored.

Something I think most supporters and SFSA members would welcome. 😉

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paddy malarkeyPosted on11:44 am - Dec 19, 2020

Why this again ?

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on12:20 pm - Dec 19, 2020

John Clark 18th December at 18:41


I think the correct term would possibly be “supplied” rather than “made” if that’s not indulging in semantics too much. I don’t think there is any great mystery here. Most things are outsourced in a global capitalist economy. The component parts of your phone, PC, tablet, TV, car, clothes, trainers…. are manufactured all over the world and not necessarily by whatever company puts its name to the finished product. 

Apropos of nothing in particular Castore supply kit to the West Indies cricket team, have a deal with the England rugby union captain, McLaren F1 team and will possibly supply Wolves with their kit next season. Not to mention their association with Andy Murray. 


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John ClarkPosted on10:31 pm - Dec 19, 2020


I note that Andrew Bailey ( to whom I wrote about the FCA's potential breach of statute when it authorised  the seemingly misleading  Prospectus issued by RIFC plc in connection with that company's IPO) is in a pickle of bother:

from the report in the 'Daily Mail online' earlier today I extract this:

"What we now know from scrutiny of the small print is that in his dealings with the author Dame Elizabeth Gloster, a former Court of Appeal judge, Bailey sought to have his name and those of fellow senior executives anonymised.

His demand may have been to protect colleagues. But it cannot fail to leave behind the stench of an attempted cover-up. 

Needless to say, Dame Elizabeth ignored his pleas. What makes his position potentially precarious is the current FCA probe into the collapse of Woodford's empire which has led to heavy losses for 300,000 savers as well as the pension fund of Kent County Council" 


"..This week's report, led by former Court of Appeal Judge Dame Elizabeth Gloster, held Mr Bailey personally responsible for failings at the FCA"

 this will get you to the internet links for the full article

 Andrew Bailey bid to calm saving scandal storm may cause MORE trouble

It was while Bailey was in charge of the FCA that my complaint that the FCA may have been  in breach of its statutory duty when it  authorised what I believe  was the  misleading Prospectus issued by RIFC plc in connection with its IPO in 2012.

That complaint, as I posted on here, was in effect ignored and then , whether deliberately or not, was treated as if I had merely been making a complaint against a company (RIFC plc) and not against the FCA itself  as possibly having been guilty of illegality.

[I think we in Scottish Football have had a whiff ourselves of the stench of untruth rising from from the breath of our football governance bodies and certain clubs.

And, by the Lord Harry, if organisations like the FCA can be suspect- and found out- there's no way little titchy Sports governance bodies will avoid ultimate truth, when proper investigation begins, as it will sooner or later.

[And whatever else, Bailey   ran a slipshod department that lost correspondence and took weeks to reply to reminders.

Never would have happened in my department!]broken heart

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on11:41 am - Dec 20, 2020

'paddy malarkey 19th December 2020 at 11:44

Why this again ?'


The development doesn't appear to have been discussed at the last GCC Planning Committee in early December.

It's likely that someone connected with the proposal (builder, architect etc.) has issued a 'year-end' press release detailing current & future intentions & someone at the Evening (not Glasgow!) Times has published it due to the TRFC association.

Remember, in modern media, clicks are king!



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wottpiPosted on8:19 pm - Dec 20, 2020

Very entertaining cup final today.

Penalties a bit of a lottery, as usual,  as both teams could claim they were worthy of the win.


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Cluster OnePosted on9:46 pm - Dec 20, 2020

wottpi 20th December 2020 at 20:19
Nice tribute at Half time

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paddy malarkeyPosted on10:37 am - Dec 21, 2020

Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2020 at 11:41

Read somewhere that it rears its head again because of a proposal to reduce the parking for the Club Deck from 900 to 450 ,with the club finding alternative spaces elsewhere in the area . Don't know how solid that is .

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bect67Posted on12:09 pm - Dec 21, 2020

Can someone tell me why Craig Gordon ( partly supported by ‘Gnaff’ McCann ) is bleating about wrt to the Edouard’s sublime penalty?

He was simply outwitted, embarrassed, and deservedly booked for kicking the ball at Edouard.

Severely bruised ego methinks.

What should we do Craig? Ban flashes of sheer skill and ‘Panenka – like’ penalties to prevent opponents being ‘shown up’

Go ‘grow a pair’ son!


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tonyPosted on2:09 pm - Dec 21, 2020

cmon now bect67 he threw the ball this type of reporting will get you a job at the day late record

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bect67Posted on2:17 pm - Dec 21, 2020

Fair point, well made Tony!

I had meant to add to my post that I fear this WOKE culture (!) will be the undoing of those such as me!!

I’ll check my TDs!

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on3:09 pm - Dec 21, 2020

‘paddy malarkey 21st December 2020 at 10:37

Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2020 at 11:41

Read somewhere that it rears its head again because of a proposal to reduce the parking for the Club Deck from 900 to 450 ,with the club finding alternative spaces elsewhere in the area . Don’t know how solid that is .’


From memory (and happy to be corrected if wrong), the Safety Case for the operation of the Club Deck is dependant on the car park area being available (even when full of cars!) for evacuation routes in the event of an emergency.

There seems to have been no move from the builders, Merchant Homes, since submitting details of a ‘proposed’ development, dated 19.03.20, to seeking actual planning permission for the works. In fact, the last update I can find is that Merchant Homes intended to hold a video Public Consultation on 29.05.20. 

However, further investigation via the GCC Planning Portal shows that TRFC are intending to make changes to car parking arrangements by revising their original 1989 planning permissions. If you’re interested, the relevant reference is 20/03297/MPO. This seems to have been posted on 08.12.20, hence the article in the ET.

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John ClarkPosted on11:22 pm - Dec 21, 2020

The subject of ‘goodwill’  featured in some recent posts ( in relation to ‘negative goodwill’).

 I read in today’s ‘The Scotsman’ an article entitled   “When goodwill is just not goodwill” by Catherine Feechan, a corporate partner at Davidson Chalmers Stewart LLP. [I feel I need to say that in case I might be done for copyright infringement!]

The case she comments on  [an (English)Appeal Court judgment]  was not to do with a company merely buying[as CG did] some of the assets of a company ‘In Administration’ (which subsequently  went into Liquidation) but with the  more usual ,ordinary ,straightforward  purchase of one company by another.

 I cannot in truth say that the judgment  may have any bearing on anything to do with the Sale and Purchase Agreement under which Big Hands won a watch , buying the assets of Rangers FC (IA) for what seemed to many people,  a knockdown price. 

But I looked up the judgment anyway ( in furtherance of my own education)

“24 September 2020 |Court of Appeal/Civil

Neutral Citation Number: [2020] EWCA Civ 1228

Case No: A1/2019/2769”

And apparently, there are TWO different interpretations of the meaning of ‘goodwill’

The  first party argued that the ordinary commercial meaning was ‘the good name, business, reputation and connections of a business’

The other party argued that the proper meaning was the accounting definition of ‘goodwill’- ‘a loss of share value where that value represents the difference between the cost of acquisition and the fair value of its identifiable net assets and/or where that loss of share value is caused by the impairment of the value of non-identifiable assets’

The Appeal Court went with the first party. 

I have no idea of how to relate that judgment to the price that CG paid for the assets of the doomed( doomed by the administrators by their …by their.. by their ..what? .Ach, but what else other than  by their failure, in spite of every professional effort as Court-appointed  Administrators, to find a buyer to bring RFC plc out of Administration and therefore save it from the footballing death of Liquidation.]What else?

Murray ran up the debt, Whyte added to the debt and two-fingered  HMRC, and the Administrators  failed in somewhat interesting circumstances to get what many people thought was a decent price for the creditors from the sale of the assets.

I have often wished that  I were capable of being an Ian Rankin!

Such fabulous stories might have been written!

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wottpiPosted on10:52 am - Dec 22, 2020

Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final and 1 person responding negatively to Cluster One's post re  the BBC's  half time tribute to a 36 year old footballer being struck down by MND!! 

I know people say the thumbs are not the be all and end all of the site, but come on guys, really?

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on11:28 am - Dec 22, 2020

‘wottpi 22nd December 2020 at 10:52

Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final…’


I don’t use the TD/TU facility, but it’s possible that many/all of the 18 thumbsdooners simply disagree with ‘wottpi’ that it was ‘very entertaining’.

It was a terrible advert for Scottish football: a poor game which lacked any consistency of quality play from either team, poorly refereed. The BBC commentary was cringeworthy & amateurish.


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paddy malarkeyPosted on12:09 pm - Dec 22, 2020

Relief for some .

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StevieBCPosted on12:26 pm - Dec 22, 2020

Jingso.Jimsie 22nd December 2020 at 11:28

It was a terrible advert for Scottish football: a poor game which lacked any consistency of quality play from either team, poorly refereed…


I suppose 'beauty lies in the eye of the beholder', but I thought it was a great advert for Scottish football – especially for the neutrals.

Totally agree that technically, the footy on show wasn't the best – and neither was the match officiating.

But: 6 goals, a bit of argy bargy, controversial refereeing, individual mistakes, suspect goalkeeping – plus the drama of a penalty shoot out to make history, or not.

Too many times I have watched the technically gifted EPL 'big games' where the footy on offer was high quality… but boring as hell.

At least the Scottish Cup Final wasn't a typical, dour and overly defensive 1-0 game?


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bect67Posted on12:50 pm - Dec 22, 2020


I am a bit bemused by the number of TD you received wrt to your latest post, but I’m sure that, over your time on here, your thumbs up outscore your thumbs down – so take comfort in that!!

As for the game, I’m with you and StevieBC – as a Celtic fan, I was, in all  honesty, seriously ‘nervewracked’ in the second half having, rather complacently and smugly, enjoyed a cup of tea at half time.( Hearts could have scored with a header from their final free kick into the box).

Most neutral (?) watchers would certainly have enjoyed the match – especially Hearts spirited comeback.

I also had nothing but praise for Robbie Neilson’s post match comments, in which he displayed great maturity and humility amongst the disappointment of losing – unlike serial detractors like Neil ‘ah wiz a useless manager masel’ McCann, whose main contribution was to criticise ‘Panenka’ Edouard .


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wottpiPosted on2:08 pm - Dec 22, 2020

StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 12:26

bect67 22nd December 2020 at 12:50

Agree, if people aren't happy with six goals in a cup final encounter that went to extra time and a nerve wracking penalty shoot out then what is it that floats their boat?

Thinking back, by the end of it I had forgotten there was no crowd in Hampden and was wholly absorbed unlike some games I've watched in these strange times.

OK so the quality was questionable and the result didn't go the way of my team but for me this is what sport should be about. If Celtic had taken it to 3-0 in the second half and strolled to the end of the game, no-one would have even remembered the game next week, let alone years to come. 

Quadruple trebles, Hamilton winning F1 at a canter, etc  are to be admired and respected but I'd say it isn't always 'entertaining'.

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paddy malarkeyPosted on4:28 pm - Dec 22, 2020 

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BallyargusPosted on5:39 pm - Dec 22, 2020

Like some others on here I thought the BBC commentary on Sunday's Cup Final was abysmal. The commentator's main aim seemed to be how much data he could present. When play was flowing he continually ignored it to give us facts about past games and player's statistics. He must have a good "Football Facts at Your Fingertips" book and constantly referred to it to show off his knowledge.
He and his co commentator had little conversations among themselves like 2 supporters at a match. 

I, as a Celtic supporter, don't accuse them of bias, just of incompetent and boring commentary. I believe most watchers want the commentator to tell us the name of the player on the ball, especially of the opposition of whom we are not familiar, and give their opinion of controversial decisions. This fact based and conversational commentary is so boring, in my opinion of course. It is in fact creeping in with many commentators. Oh for the late great Rugby man, Bill McLaren who knew how to commentate on a game with no bias whatsoever even when his beloved Scotland was playing.

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StevieBCPosted on10:06 pm - Dec 22, 2020

Extract from the BBC:

shirley, Blatter wasn't planning on a return to football next year…?!


"Fifa has lodged a criminal complaint against former president Sepp Blatter over the finances of a museum in Zurich, Switzerland.

The complaint relates to the involvement of Blatter and other former officials in the Fifa museum project.

It is the latest allegation of financial impropriety against Blatter, who resigned from his post as president in 2015 amid a corruption scandal.

The 84-year-old has always denied any wrongdoing.

Blatter is currently serving a six-year ban from all forms of football."



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paddy malarkeyPosted on10:19 pm - Dec 22, 2020

StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 22:06

Coming back as The Sepp .

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Cluster OnePosted on11:01 pm - Dec 22, 2020

SPFL toast new sponsor as Glen’s Vodka backs Scottish football until 2023
SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster hailed the partnership, saying:“It is fantastic to be able to welcome Glen’s Vodka and Loch Lomond Group as an Official SPFL Partner.
If it is not Drink it is gambling firms, i thought they were trying to steer away from this kind of thing.

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John ClarkPosted on11:29 pm - Dec 22, 2020

StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 22:06

‘..”Fifa has lodged a criminal complaint against former president Sepp Blatter ..’


By the purest coincidence, StevieBC, I have just this minute stopped searching on the internet for an answer to the question: “in Scotland, are prosecutions for fraud time-barred?’

As far as I can make out, the answer seems to be  that, as fraud is common law offence, they are not.

So, for example, if investigation today found that there were enough  grounds for believing that a number of years ago a football governance body had been party to a deceit that, say, enabled a football club in financial distress within its jurisdiction to obtain , say, a few million quid to which it was not ,under the rules, entitled, from  a higher level of  football governance body, there would be no bar on prosecution of those involved in the deceit, no matter that eight years had elapsed.

I for some reason was cheered by that. 

As regards Blatter, he is of course innocent of any crime unless and until the prosecution proves his guilt. 

As of course would be any individual or governance body or football club if any criminal charges were brought against them.broken heart

 [Incidentally, I recently watched on  netflix? bbc umpteen? sky this or that ?or some of the bloody myriad of tV options that there are now, a version of ‘An Inspector Calls’.

What fun, changing the domestic, family members scene to a scene set in a Board-room ,with the Inspector showing various directors not a photograph but a copy of an email!]

I assert my rights, btw, to that theme as the germ of a theatrical drama! There could be millions in it!broken heart


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John ClarkPosted on11:40 pm - Dec 22, 2020

I've just noticed that if I give a thumbs up to a post that already has a goodly number of thumbs up, it doesn't add mine, but reduces the number already there to zero! (Ballyargus 22nd December 2020 at 17:39 is an example, even as I write!)

I hope that the little glitch is resolved.

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StevieBCPosted on9:38 am - Dec 23, 2020

Cluster One 22nd December 2020 at 23:01

SPFL toast new sponsor as Glen’s Vodka backs Scottish football until 2023 SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster hailed the partnership…


I see there is some mild criticism reported in the SMSM, but Doncaster, IMO, is confirming he is tone deaf with his comments.

The game has been screaming out for Gov't. – i.e. taxpayers' – financial support due to covid, yet it continues to simply blank the opinions of its customer base / taxpayers.

I'd guess the majority (?) of fans are uncomfortable with the national team – and our clubs – being strongly associated with booze, gambling, fast food, junk food, etc.



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Buteo ButeoPosted on10:40 am - Dec 23, 2020

John Clark 22nd December 2020 at 23:40

I have the same problem when I try to use thumbs up/down. The numbers reset to zero. As Wottpi mentioned the number of thumbs down he got I reduced his to zero.:-)


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HomunculusPosted on5:40 pm - Dec 23, 2020

John Clark 21st December 2020 at 23:22

I think the point is that the business has to record the difference between the purchase price of the assets, and their value, in the next set of accounts.

So what they are basically saying (normally) is that we bought that bakery business (for example) for £100 pounds, buy the tangible assets, the ovens etc, are only worth £80 so we paid other £20 for the existing customer base, the reputation etc, and that is just referred to in it's totality as the "goodwill".

As with  lot of accountancy stuff it all just looks like smoke and mirror to lay people like me. 

In Rangers case the tangible assets were, in their opinion worth a whole lot more than what they paid, but they still have to record that figure and like I have been saying, that is the dead giveaway and admission that they underpaid.

I suspect it will be part of BDO's case against the administrator.

As ever this is very much my layman's understanding with apologies to those who actually understand these things.

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Cluster OnePosted on9:52 pm - Dec 23, 2020

David Murray refused to sell for £33mill in 2010,Imran replied that he believed on a bad day the club was worth £50 million. july 2012and charles Green was telling everyone in Nov 2012 it was worth £80mill. Will be interesting when BDO have their day in court how the administrators came up with a figure of £5.5mill

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John ClarkPosted on12:03 am - Dec 24, 2020

Homunculus 23rd December 2020 at 17:40

‘…I suspect it will be part of BDO’s case against the administrator.’

With a nod to Cluster one whose post I saw just after writing this

I suspect it will!

 The staggering difference in the various ‘valuations’ mentioned in the first (13 month year) annual  report is difficult to accept as anything other than a piece of nonsense, and I would imagine that any member of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors would agree with me! 

In looking at that report, incidentally, I think I saw the answer to the ‘novation’ question:

At Note 23 to the accounts there is this:

” On 14 June 2012 Sevco 5088 Limited entered into agreements for no consideration to legally reassign its beneficial interest in funding placing letters held and to novate the trade and assets purchase agreement with RFC 2012 plc (in administration) to SevcoScotland (now The Rangers Football Club Ltd)”

At that time, according to the report, Charles Green was the sole shareholder of Sevco 5088! ( I can’t find on the Companies House pages any reference to Green being a shareholder, but he’s mentioned as being a director-not quite the same thing) 

If that was true, then he would have been entitled to do what he liked with Sevco 5088, and possibly enjoyed stuffing CW!

[What a feckin mucky world it is out there among the glib and shameless lying sods of ‘businessmen’ , ‘legal advisers’ and general scummy low-lives determined to make their money by cynical exploitation of  other people’s trust.

We had two phone calls today from evil bastards trying on a scam. I swore at the automated messengers, of course.

And I thought: well, really, is there any difference between them and the ‘legitimate’ folk who make up company accounts , or audit company accounts, or who ‘regulate’ the financial world?

Don’t they all in their various ways con us? They will sail as close to the wind legally as they can  but morally the intent is to screw us!

Or is that too bad a thought at Christmas-time?heart





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gunnerbPosted on10:56 am - Dec 24, 2020

John Clark 24th December 2020 at 00:03



In looking at that report, incidentally, I think I saw the answer to the ‘novation’ question:

At Note 23 to the accounts there is this:

” On 14 June 2012 Sevco 5088 Limited entered into agreements for no consideration to legally reassign its beneficial interest in funding placing letters held and to novate the trade and assets purchase agreement with RFC 2012 plc (in administration) to SevcoScotland (now The Rangers Football Club Ltd)”  "


Sevco5088 is still alive and kicking according to companies house despite repeated attempts to shut it down (strike it from the register) by interested parties. No deed of novation is recorded at companies house, an observation made many times by SFM members, that may yet have it`s part to play.


A Happy Christmas and peaceful new year to monitors and contributors alike…even the reasonable ones.

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TimtimPosted on11:41 am - Dec 24, 2020

Cluster One @ 21:52

When you break the 5.5m  figure down I remember that the stadium itself only accounted for 1.5m . It could be argued that it was an integral part of allowing  business to continue but many clubs in the past have lost their stadiums (but retained their history) and carried on trading. On a bad day as a brown field site it was worth 20m , much of the demolition costs could have been covered by selling memento's such as seats , pitch plots and even the loving cup and other blue room collectibles and even turned a profit. These were not necessary to carry on trading as a football club but they were crucial if they wanted to carry on trading as the same football club* . Of course it's the same club* they wail , it's the same stadium , we bought the history and we have the trophies to prove it. They then had an IPO stating that very thing . They screwed the tax payer, they screwed the creditors , screwed the creditors again then duped the new investors . Even though the EBT scheme they used  was ruled unlawful in the Supreme Court I don't believe 1 penny of those due taxes has ever been recovered . It isn't just Santa who says Ho Ho Ho 

Merry Christmas 

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John ClarkPosted on11:43 am - Dec 24, 2020

gunnerb 24th December 2020 at 10:56

" observation made many times by SFM members, that may yet have it`s part to play."


Yes, gunnerb: I should have said that I could not remember when I first saw a reference to the 'novation', but it was long before I thought of looking up Companies House [it might even have been before I knew of such a thing as Companies House, so fundamentally unknowing was I of the ways of the business world!]

In the great scheme of things ,one wonders what the huge big international conglomerates might get up to when a piddling little sh.te of a one-man company can keep its origins so darkly obscured.

Perhaps BDO will present us with a stoater of a Christmas present in a year or two's time in the shape of a few good jail sentences for guilty people, if any such are are found!broken heart




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Big PinkPosted on4:04 pm - Dec 24, 2020

Hi Folks,

We'd like to invite you all to sign up at the new forum

Signup process takes a minute or so. You register, then get a mail within a few seconds, and reply to the mail.


We will be sending everyone an email to all of our contributors past and present in the next few days to invite them to register and be a part of it all.

In the meantime, it would be good to start up some stuff over there, but we will keep both platforms open for a time.

Also, there are no barriers to entry for anyone, although normal rules of decency apply 🙂

There are so many bells and whistles attached to the new Forum, and I guess we will be doing a little learning as we go along. 

Also, a Merry Christmas to you all.


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bigboab1916Posted on10:27 pm - Dec 24, 2020

John Clark 24th December 2020 at 00:03

"At that time, according to the report, Charles Green was the sole shareholder of Sevco 5088! ( I can’t find on the Companies House pages any reference to Green being a shareholder, but he’s mentioned as being a director-not quite the same thing) "

Would he not need to be a shareholder to protect his rights see below why I think he had  shares




14 Jun 2012


  • Resolution of removal of pre-emption rights
  • Resolution of removal of pre-emption rights



Shareholders and directors have two completely different roles in a company. The shareholders (also called members) own the company by owning its shares and the directors manage it. Unless the articles say so (and most do not) a director does not need to be a shareholder and a shareholder has no right to be a director.


Pre-emption rights provide existing shareholders (members) of a company first refusal on the issue, transfer, or transmission of shares in that company. Rights of pre-emption are deemed necessary to protect members against involuntary dilution of their existing shareholdings, i.e. a reduction in the percentage of their current stake in the company.


If he was the sole owner what would he be protecting in the future?

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Cluster OnePosted on10:38 pm - Dec 24, 2020

Merry christmas to all at SFM

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John ClarkPosted on12:06 am - Dec 25, 2020

bigboab1916 24th December 2020 at 22:27

"… see below why I think he had  shares.."


It's not that I, in my humble opinion and in my understanding of the facts and making no categorical assertion, do not believe that CG worked a clever flanker!

 I do not say that he did. I simply say that I personally believe that he did.

The problem is that trying to make sense of how the Companies House records are to be read is quite difficult.

They merely record what they have been told, and self-confessedly admit that they do not guarantee the truth of what they have been told!

But the drunken phone call to CW ( if it was not genuine then in my opinion it ought to have been, as being illustrative of the 'thieves falling out' dictum!)broken heart

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John ClarkPosted on12:52 am - Dec 25, 2020

Timtim 24th December 2020 at 11:41

'..It isn't just Santa who says Ho Ho Ho '


 The death rattle of those in office in Scottish Football governance in 2012 will not be a 'ho ho ho' but  a very weak, frightened 'oh no no!" as they see their useless and stupid lies for what they are![ cut to 'Citizen Kane' and old Orson/Kane on his deathbed:]

I'm not actually a film buff: but reflecting on that other wonderful film "The Apartment", with Jack Lemmon , Shirley MacLaine and Fred MacMurray, with Fred playing a right bast.rd of an adulterous heel at home with the wife and family on Christmas Eve (in the American 'ideal family Christmas'), I think of other low lives in office who betray the trust reposed in them, and who then go home to be the 'good loving husband and dad' etc, knowing in their black hearts that they are liars and deceivers.

And knowing that others so consider them to be-especially those who , as having themselves been  party to the lies, know them to be liars!




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MordecaiPosted on6:08 am - Dec 25, 2020

One for BP I think.  I am trying to register on the new forum and having a problem with the registration form.  There is no indication on the form what you should enter into the fields.  Most of them are guessable except for the last field.  I can't proceed to register until I complete that last field and I'm afraid it's got me stumped!

Anyone else having this problem or am I doing something wrong / using the wrong browser?

A very happy to Christmas to all on sfm.

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jimboPosted on11:35 am - Dec 25, 2020

Merry Christmas to one and all on SFM laugh

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shugPosted on2:08 pm - Dec 25, 2020

One for BP I think.  I am trying to register on the new forum and having a problem with the registration form.  There is no indication on the form what you should enter into the fields.  Most of them are guessable except for the last field.  I can’t proceed to register until I complete that last field and I’m afraid it’s got me stumped!

Anyone else having this problem or am I doing something wrong / using the wrong browser? 


My problem is the email verification has not turned up so even though I managed to register I can’t verify it.

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John ClarkPosted on3:28 pm - Dec 25, 2020

Let me offer wholehearted Christmas good wishes to all in Scottish Football-yeah, I suppose, even to the cheats therein ( in whose case maybe my good wishes might  move them to wish to deserve them rather than persist in their deception!)broken heart


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MordecaiPosted on4:41 pm - Dec 25, 2020

shug 25th December 2020 at 14:08


"My problem is the email verification has not turned up so even though I managed to register I can’t verify it."

What did you enter in the final field of the form?  That's the part that's preventing me from progressing.

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shugPosted on11:41 pm - Dec 25, 2020

Mordecai I have no idea.


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MordecaiPosted on5:53 am - Dec 26, 2020

In case anyone is having the same problem I was having with the registration form, the last field is "location". I discovered this when I put in some gobbledegook and received an error message telling me to enter a "…valid location." 

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Big PinkPosted on11:41 am - Dec 26, 2020

as far as I can see you are now a member. Did you get things sorted?

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on11:41 am - Dec 26, 2020

Re ‘’:

I’ve filled in the fields successfully, to the extent that my user-name shows up, but I’m awaiting the should-be instantaneous, automated, confirmation email to activate my account. I’ve submitted a request to have it resent, but I’m still waiting. It’s about an hour now (and no, it’s not in my spam folder)…

Fortunately, Jimmy Cliff’s ‘Sitting In Limbo’ is playing on repeat in my head…



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Big PinkPosted on1:55 pm - Dec 26, 2020

Jingso Jimsie
Two mails sent this morning. One at 10:52 and another at 10:54
I’ve manually confirmed you and Shug though, but mails were definitely sent, and no bounce back


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Jingso.JimsiePosted on2:04 pm - Dec 26, 2020

Thanks BP: still nothing received though!

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Big PinkPosted on2:54 pm - Dec 26, 2020

You are cleared for posting though

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John ClarkPosted on12:52 am - Dec 28, 2020

There's nothing like a wee bit of history!

I was fiddling about looking back on the SFM blog, and came across this:

"bawsbustedanatha says:

Thursday, October 18, 2012 at 11:39

"It’s started folks….

SANDY JARDINE reckons Rangers are well on their way to being in their best shape for 30 years off the pitch.

On it, he’s convinced Ally McCoist will lead the club back to the top.

But the Ibrox legend won’t forget the turmoil they’ve had to suffer – until shamed ex-owner Craig Whyte is behind bars.

It’s been eight months since Gers were plunged into administration and 18 weeks since the liquidation process was started.

Jardine is just grateful they’re still alive but every time Whyte’s name is mentioned he can’t help but look back in anger.

In an exclusive interview, he told Record Sport: “I now feel even more bitterness towards Whyte than I did at the time. What he did to this club was an absolute disgrace and I still can’t comprehend it.

“It doesn’t surprise me he rarely shows his face in Scotland. He couldn’t try to defend what he did. He decapitated Rangers.

“But I know the police and fraud squad are continuing to look at things and hopefully they will put him in jail.”

Jardine has seen it all at Ibrox during a four-decade association with the club but nothing could have prepared him for the year they’ve just had to endure.

And it pains him trying to explain Rangers’ plight to icons of the past, who will soon be celebrated at ‘Legends Lunches’.

He said: “I’ve been through hard times but there was never a situation when I thought the club could die, and we could have done this year. When I meet the older ex-players, they can’t believe what has happened.

“I met Bobby Brown last week and when he played here, Rangers were known as the biggest club in Britain and one of the biggest in Europe.”

Jardine feels his club have been treated badly by the SFA and SPL, whose indecision left Gers waiting to find out which league they’d be playing in this season.

They are now plying their trade in our game’s bottom tier but former Scotland full-back Jardine is adamant Rangers’ new chief executive Charles Green is the right man to steer the club back to prosperity.

He said: “We’re now in a far better financial position than we’ve been in a long time. It looks as though the share issue will go really well and if it’s successful, we’ll be in our healthiest position for 30 years.

“It’s still early days but Charles has delivered what he said he would.

“The club has been treated abysmally by the governing bodies. We’ve been let down by them and I include the SFA, SPL and the tax authorities in that.

“We know we deserved punishment and if the SFA and SPL felt we merited punishments, they could have done it within a few weeks.

But it was left to the last minute, just 24 hours before our first game at Brechin we still didn’t know if we had a licence and that’s disgraceful.”

Jardine is convinced Rangers will return to the top of Scottish football and is adamant boss McCoist is the man to take them there."

I drank in the same pub as Sandy.

I'm glad that he appreciated that the new club did not exist as a recognised professional football club in Scottish Football  before the nonsense of 'conditional' membership that allowed 'Club 12' to play Brechin!

Honest to God, what were they all about? pitiful in their frantic efforts to deny the death, a death as absolute as was suffered by the corpses on the cold marble of the the morgue in the vicinity of the Court in which Whyte was tried.


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bigboab1916Posted on6:25 pm - Dec 28, 2020

Sandy not the brighest, the SFA should have been jailed

Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence  Article 12  –  Definition of licence applicant

1A licence applicant may only be a football club, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for  a  football  team  participating  in  national  and  international  competitions  which  either: 

a)   is  a  registered  member  of  a  UEFA  member  association  and/or  its  affiliated  league (hereinafter: registered member); or b)  has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football company). 

2The  membership  and  the  contractual  relationship  (if  any)  must  have  lasted  –  at  the  start  of  the  licence  season  –  for  at  least  three  consecutive  years. 

Any  alteration  to  the  club’s  legal  form  or  company  structure  (including,  for  example,  changing  its  headquarters,  name  or  club  colours,  or  transferring  stakeholdings  between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition   is   deemed   as   an   interruption   of   membership   or   contractual   relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision. 


Article 13  –  General responsibilities of the licence applicant

1The licence applicant must provide the licensor with:

 a)  all necessary information and/or relevant documents to fully demonstrate that the licensing obligations are fulfilled; and  b)  any other document relevant for decision-making by the licensor. 

2This  includes  information  on  the  reporting  entity/entities  in  respect  of  which  sporting,   infrastructure,   personnel   and   administrative,   legal   and   financial   information is required to be provided. 

3 Any  event  occurring  after  the  submission  of  the  licensing  documentation  to  the  licensor   representing   a   significant   change   to   the   information   previously   submitted must be promptly notified to the licensor.  

Article 14  –  Licence 1Clubs which qualify for the UEFA club competitions on sporting merit or through the  UEFA  fair  play  rankings  must  obtain  a  licence  issued  by  their  licensor  according to the national licensing regulations, except where Article 15 applies. 2A  licence  expires  without  prior  notice  at  the  end  of  the  season  for  which  it  was  issued.


13 3 A licence cannot be transferred. 

4A licence may be withdrawn by the licensor’s decision-making bodies if:

a)  for  any  reason  a  licensee  becomes  insolvent  and  enters  liquidation,  as  determined  by  the  applicable  national  law  (where  a  licensee  becomes  insolvent  but  enters  administration  during  the  season,  for  so  long  as  the  purpose  of  the  administration  is  to  rescue  the  club  and  its  business,  the  licence should not be withdrawn);

 b)  any of the conditions for the issuing of a licence are no longer satisfied; or c)   the  licensee  violates  any  of  its  obligations  under  the  national  club  licensing  regulations. 

5As  soon  as  a  licence  withdrawal  is  envisaged,  the  UEFA  member  association  must inform the UEFA administration accordingly. 




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BallyargusPosted on9:15 am - Dec 30, 2020

The new forum won't allow me to reply to posts. It claims, "Your account is currently awaiting confirmation. Confirmation was sent to …..(my email). I have not received an email or a requested duplicate, please advise. 

As an aside I prefer the old format.

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Big PinkPosted on10:51 am - Jan 1, 2021

There are some domains which appear to be losing our emails. I have enabled your new account on the forum and you are free to post. I will also send you an email to see if you receive it.
Anyone who is having this problem (and I guess there are half a dozen or so), please mail me at

We will sort it

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