Good Morning,
In the last week, we have seen a number of strange occurrences in Scottish Football, which if taken together might just point to a very different land than the one we were lead to believe we live in just two short years ago.
First of all there was the report from a firm of well known accountants which pronounced that a significant number of Scottish Football Clubs had, in fact, sold more season tickets for this coming season than they had in the course of the last several years.
Then we had the spectacle of the National team travelling to Wembley and playing very well AND being cheered on by a very large travelling support who appear to have been full of fun and who acquitted themselves well in the big smoke.
This morning I read that today’s match at Pittodrie is a sell out — with the old stadium being packed to the rafters for the visit of Celtic. This is the first time that Aberdeen have been able to sell out the fixture for some 6 years!
Not only that, various Celtic supporting websites have lead with articles saying that the return of a strong Aberdeen and Dundee United are to be welcomed– in fact not only welcomed but positively wished for.
In contrast, stories abound about the in fighting on the Ibrox Board. There are surreptitious share dealings and all sorts of company jockeying being deployed by the rival factions who are trying to gain control of The Rangers. Further, there is the suggestion from some well informed parties that not only will Ibrox and the Albion be sold and leased back to the club to generate much needed immediate cash, but that Murray Park has been sold off completely and will no longer be available to The Rangers for any purpose whatsoever!
Clearly, there are big troubles at the club which will not assist in the stated intention of rising to the very top in Scottish Football.
In between all of this, the debate goes on about Campbell Ogilvie, Press manipulation, the correspondence between Media House and the SFA, and between The SFA and Ibrox re the relationship between Charlie Green and Craig Whyte and so on.
Standing with my business hat on, I looked at all of this and wondered what it all meant, and pretty quickly reached the conclusion that we are now in a time of supreme opportunity for some of the clubs in Scottish Football—- particularly Aberdeen FC.
There is a view abroad, that in the absence of the “Strong Rangers” that Celtic Football Club will win the SPFL title for almost evermore — or at least until they are toppled from the top spot by the rise of a strong Rangers club somewhere towards the end of this decade or early in the next– because we are assured that they will be back– in one form or another– in a rather Arnold Schwarzenegger like fashion.
That return or initial rise if you like– its timing and its manner— is dependent on a number of things– not least the exit strategy of Charlie Green and his cohorts.
If it is true that The Rangers are going to part company with Ibrox and the Albion, that they have taken on a loan of funds which attract a rate of interest that amounts to 15% per annum, and that there are set figures for buying the old ( and decaying ) stadium back any time soon, and that they have yet again hawked the season ticket money, then the already flawed Ibrox business plan is burdened even more by interest and rent payments of an additional £3M per annum and rising!
It should also be noted that the accounts for old co from the mid naughties onwards boasted that season ticket sales, merchandising, corporate hospitality and so on had reached unprecedented levels—- but—- the club still did not make an operating profit without strange internals transactions such as the repurchase of media rights which added £15M on to the P&L’s AND the sale of Jean Alain Boomsong!
Accordingly, the current position will not make for good financial reading.
So– let’s presume that in the current climate Celtic are out of sight and will always be champions for ever and a day. What do the rest of the clubs say in the absence of the Ibrox club without whom they have been told they will perish?
Well, If I were in charge of Aberdeen FC I would look out across a city with an inherent population of some 220,000 souls sitting in a county which takes the population up by another 40,000 or so. I would note that the compact city also houses two universities and a number of colleges — all of which attract visitors to the city— and that its position as the oil capital of Europe also draws in a substantial number of itinerant workers.
Further, personal knowledge shows that many who studied at Aberdeen University or Robert Gordon’s in the 80’s left the city as Aberdeen FC fans and no matter where they have ended up in life they still make the journey back to Pittodrie when they can– especially in good times!
Alas, however, Aberdeen has not enjoyed ” Good Times” of late— in fact not really since ……….. the arrival of David Murray at Ibrox!
If you cast your mind back to the pre Murray era, Aberdeen were a force not only in Scotland but Europe as the recent nostalgia re Gothenburg has reminded us.
The city has an economic micro climate which suggests that it can ride economic hardship better than most and so all things considered this current period provides a great opportunity for the Dons.
Unlike Dundee United, Hearts, and Hibs, Aberdeen FC sits in a large one team conurbation and should be on the doorstep of a populace which can fill Pittodrie every single week …… IF that fan base can be motivated.
And there lies the rub– how do you get a notoriously fickle fan base out of the armchair and into the stadium?
The late Bob Crampsey once described Pittodrie by saying ” And there are the masses of Aberdeen fans, masquerading as rows and rows of Empty seats!” yet in their heydey an Aberdeen crowd on a visit to Glasgow were among the noisiest– and to this football fans eyes — the scariest ( in a good sense ) supports to be seen.
Well, at this juncture, Derek McInnes and team need only look at every other football club in the land ( bar Celtic ) and determine that come next May those others will be below them in the league. If Aberdeen maintain a strong league run keeping everyone behind them then there is the possibility of a huge revenue swing in favour of the Dons– such a swing that would put them in an even stronger position for the following year.
Further, Aberdeen are a European name. Perhaps a European name from yesteryear and not the recent past, but the pedigree is there and as such there will be those who remember the heady European Nights both home and away. Reviving those memories and that reputation– at least to an extent– is not beyond the club, and with no disrespect to Motherwell and St Johnstone both of whom are liable to lose key players or even a manager between seasons, Aberdeen may just be of a size to consolidate each year rather than scramble to maintain the momentum of one good season which comes along every now and then.
Financial management and football rewards can go hand in hand when combined properly, and of all the clubs in Scotland who can benefit from a level playing field in terms of proper football governance, Aberdeen FC are uniquely placed in my opinion.
That is not so say that The Arabs, or the Hibees or anyone else cannot benefit– on the contrary— but the Dons are the most obvious candidates in terms of potential structure to really motor forward and regain a by gone status.
Such a situation, and the recognition of that potential, should be borne in mind by all at Celtic Football Club, as last year they struggled for a period in the league while they concentrated on their European exploits. If Celtic want to go further and further in Europe ( and why shouldn’t they ) they will have to be wary of any club which is capable of reigniting its fortunes from a lowly position or a position of having to look back at glory and potential glory rather than looking forward.
Further, with the way things are being organised at Ibrox, there is absolutely no guarantee ( some would say likelihood ) that an eventual challenge to a perceived dominance by Celtic will come from that quarter, and life in the top flight for any returning Rangers could prove very difficult if the likes of Aberdeen get their act together and start to produce the type of home grown team of old.
For now, I sense a degree of optimism about the Dons– not just on the playing front either. They have a fan base, they have a business model and a good young manager, and any comparative business exercise must conclude that they have every chance of rising above most of their rivals in the league, in terms of revenue, in terms of brand development and business expansion.
If I were an Aberdeen fan I would like to think positive and be ambitious in this climate, whilst at the same time casting an eye back to the days when they were top of the tree.
As one Aberdeen supporting ( but now Edinburgh based ) friend put it to me:
” Ah, those were the days my friend, those were the days……………”
neepheid says:
The SFA is, in the end, just the expression of the will of the clubs. The clubs control it, the clubs elect the president, the CEO answers to a Board made up by the clubs. Everything that has gone on over the last 2 years has been done either at the behest of, or with the consent of, the clubs. I wonder if they are proud of what they have achieved? Believe it or not, they probably are. That is the very sad state of Scottish football today.
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Nail on head Neepheid, nail on head.
If we want to look for the culprits for the disgraceful actions of the last few years, we need only look at the Boards of our own clubs. I’m sure they are very happy when we vent our spleen at the media, the spivs etc, as it completely deflects from them. And we as fans have allowed them to get away with it.
Readers of the RTC blog will recall that a significant secondary topic was the failure of the Scottish media. I think this morning’s Daily Record is another example of that failure.
The back page trumpets four stories, including the betting story. Gordon Parks’ revelations about lower league match fixing is comfortably the biggest “splash” of the day, yet it was not even mentioned on the back page. I wonder if the editor even read his piece. Surely he/she would recognise the explosive nature of his allegations.
To my simple mind, It further strengthens my notion that if a story is not about Celtic/Rangers or Sevco then it is of no interest to their readers.
The SFA must surely question the reporter (I can’t bring myself to call anyone on the Record a journalist) about these scandalous suggestions.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-crooked-game/
Is Scottish football even more bent than we knew?
Allyjambo says:
August 23, 2013 at 3:25 pm
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“However, sportswriter at broadsheet title The Scotsman, Tom English, defended the Scottish media’s reluctance to touch the material.
“Some of the documents have been very interesting, but I think accompanying that there has been a level of hysteria,” he said.
“As journalists we have to separate what is interesting and what is relevant. There has been stuff on Charlotte Fakes that has made me think but has not yet made me act.” ”
Read more at http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/23/guardian-writer-and-journalism-professor-roy-greenslade-accuses-scottish-media#0O2DdVJ6baRxW1Cz.99“
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So Charlotte has produced nothing which has made English ask even one question!
This is the man of whom it was written in 2010:
“Twenty years in the game and English is sitting amongst the elite of his trade. Voted Scottish Sport’s Feature Writer of the Year by the Scottish Press Association three years running, his hunger for the job has never abated. His chronology over those years is an impressive one; The Sunday Times, Sunday Express and now of course both Scotland on Sunday and The Scotsman. ” http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/6537-tom-english-an-irishman-in-scotland
“the elite of his trade“??? Heaven help the rest then!
“his hunger for the job has never abated.” What’s happened in the last 3 years? Where’s your hunger now, Tom?
Whatever else he is, English is no longer a journalist.
spartacusthethird says:
August 23, 2013 at 11:16 am
Logged on this morning to read comments on Scottish Football as per:
‘The Scottish Football Monitor’
only to find a discussion on ‘Protestant/Catholic schools – a discussion that has been done to death across the wide expanse of the internet
and
‘Scrambles at weddings’
Come on guys, its slow during the night but shirley theres enough in our game and its governance to keep people on track for the next couple of years without taking the discussion to these levels.
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As a daily reader of this blog I can understand regular posters breaking into some light relief, now and again, to offset the depression caused by the lack of truth being revealed in Scotland. It doesn’t last long…and some of it quite funny.
Re religion: unfortunately racism and sectarianism lies at the heart of a deep sickness within Scottish Society. Although here is not the place to discuss. It requires another Blog…ore even a different thread here, which would be unique.
Danish Pastry says:
August 23, 2013 at 2:29 pm
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That’s fine DP – no troll you! I have some sympathy with you. I have seen both my primary schools make way for housing….
Having said that, with the new Emirates Stadium across the road, Celtic have an excellent redevelopment plan which will complement that and will be completed by next July. See http://pdfserver3c.glasgowcitycouncil.co.uk/WAM/doc/Correspondence-411478.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=411478&location=Volume2&contentType=&pageCount=1 not least because there are some photos of the old school in it which are evocative.
But as you will see this plan was first submitted in 2009 and it has really taken the Commonwealth Games to get the council to move on this otherwise they would have stalled forever.
Glasgow needs to move on – sometime ago there were plans to acquire the school and turn it into a museum but the council put all sorts of obstacles in the way so as to render it impractical.
It involves replacing the school with a new shop.
54 (old Victorian schools lying derelict round the Glasgow area) to 0 (development)
After a short period of being ghosted, I see leggo has been allowed out of the crypt. The Jim McColl as the latest Billionaire meme seems to have taken root in the old troopers brain. Where’s Mr Ahmad’s legal action is a fair question though…..
Hello – just re registered after a long absence.
Followed RTC and have done the same with this excellent blog.
I’ve only posted a few times in the past on various blogs but Mr Parks piece in the Record this morning is appalling as far as the allegations of match fixing are concerned – this betting lark seems to be growing arms and legs – where will it end?
Anyway I have contacted Police Scotland direct on the matter http://www.scotland.police.uk/contact-us/contact-us-form
I suggest others do the same – here’s what I sent :-
Hello,
I read an article in todays (23rd August 2013) Daily Record by the former Professional Footballer Gordon Parks.
In the course of the article he states that he is aware of several Professional Football games in Scotland that have been rigged – he’s even played in some. In one case he claims a team mate pushed him out of the way to take a penalty kick as he had wagered money on himself being the first goalscorer.
Would this footballer who bet on himself be guilty of carrying out a fraud on the Bookmakers as he has a direct affect on the result – also what about Mr Parks, he claims he knew of the fraud being carried out during at the time but did nothing during the match or after it to stop the Bookmaker being defrauded.
I maybe wrong but if you read the article in question I believe that a crime may have been committed.
Yours’Faithfully,
Tom, once you’ve separated into your “interesting” and “relevant” piles, are you going to report on any of it ?
Which will it be – interesting or relevant ? can you do both ??
I’m guessing neither.
From 13th December 2010, the following sections of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 came into force.
Section 31, may be particularly relevant at the moment. Of course, this particular legislation will not apply to actions and knowledge of such actions that occurred prior to 2010.
But, if for example,
1. I was a current football manager
2. Through the course of my employment, I came across information that professional footballers were placing bets on football matches
3. Those bets may involve the clubs who were employing the said players
I would consider very closely, whether being part of that industry, my knowledge of such information placed me within the reach of section 31 of the act.
I would have similar concerns if I was a bookmaker who had been taking such bets.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/13/part/2/crossheading/serious-organised-crime
BBC sport sound talking about Ian black all laughing and joking.
Black is a scapegoat rules need to be clear. Gambling is a problem in society (eh). I feel sorry for the guy.
FFS I pay for this service.
So Mr McCoist knows of hundreds of players who gamble on Football matches. Gordon Parks knows about match fixing, on a grand scale.
Where the hell are we going with this?
If God forbid I was a Manager who had conclusive proof that one of my players was betting on the team he was playing for to Lose, I would sack him. There and then. To bottle a decision like that is completely unforgiveable. But this is McCoist we are dealing with. The pub know all, the wee guy whose stories and jokes have got to be more outrageous than yours. The smug character who always has an answer. The one who is well connected. We have all probably come across one of these McCoists in our travels. And hope never to again.
As for Parks, I really don’t think he realises the gravity of todays article. It opens up a whole can of rattlesnakes.
If the statements made by these two were designed to be some sort of defence for Black, I am afraid the opposite is true. What though can we expect from the SFA? Sweet Feck All.
If the allegations regards ‘match fixing’ in Scottish football’s lower leagues is taken seriously…then investigations by independant bodies need to take place….FIFA would also need to consider suspending Scottish football…as would UEFA…
The suggestion that this only involved lower leagues is irrelevant….match fixing in professional football at any level has the potential to throw suspicion at every game…every team…every match official…
Scottish football needs a full and thorough investigation…warts and all…into this toxic behaviour…to establish who are guilty and who are clean…
valentinesclown says:
August 23, 2013 at 6:45 pm
BBC sport sound talking about Ian black all laughing and joking.
Black is a scapegoat rules need to be clear. Gambling is a problem in society (eh). I feel sorry for the guy.
FFS I pay for this service…
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I guess it might not be so funny if this lands on the desk of the appropriate person at FIFA/UEFA….
case to answer for Ally? from SPFL rulebook, their rules “No Club, either by itself or its Officials, shall by any means whatsoever disparage, belittle, discredit or unfairly criticise any other Club, the Company or the League or in either case any such other Cub or the Company’s directors, officers, employees or agents (which shall, for the avoidance of doubt, exclude supporters).” so claiming match fixing and betting by other SPFL players and club members is not in breach of this? Mr Doncaster – over to you. 😯
See whit ah mean – Black’s playin’ the night!
bect67 says:
August 23, 2013 at 7:57 pm
See whit ah mean – Black’s playin’ the night!
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Aye, but his bet for 1st goalscorer is doon
Jim Spence on Football gambling
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23812539
scapaflow says:
August 23, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Jim Spence on Football gambling
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23812539
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“It will require some people to break the habit of a lifetime, but for the good of the game, betting on Scottish football has to be a no-go area for the dressing-room.”
JS got it wrong in last paragraph. It should read “It will require some people to break the habit of a lifetime, but for the good of the game, betting on Scottish football is a no-go area for the dressing-room.” if the rules are adhered to.
Rangers chief executive Craig Mather in pre-match conversation with director of communications Jim Traynor.
The former BBC Radio Scotland “shock jock” is an Airdrie boy. Will his loyalties be divided tonight?
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Thought they were airdrie united v the rangers
So, jabba’s team is not playing…they went bust and …blah blah blah
http://www.declanhill.com/
This is the guy you want to speak to to get an independent look at it all. He spends his life examining match fixing in world football.
andygraham.66 says:
August 23, 2013 at 9:11 pm
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http://www.declanhill.com/
This is the guy you want to speak to to get an independent look at it all. He spends his life examining match fixing in world football.
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Can just picture his blog in 2 years time, ‘been all over the world investigating and outing corruption in Football, Went to Scotland and hit a brick wall’.
Professor of journalism and Guardian media blogger Roy Greenslade has accused the Scottish mainstream media of “turning a blind eye” to leaked material relating to the financial crisis at Rangers through the @CharlotteFakes Twitter account.
Professor Greenslade said he believed there was a clear public interest in reporting the information, which appears to reveal the depth of the relationship and influence of PR company Media House on the Scottish press, and questioned the failure to go after the story. “If this involved any other big business which wasn’t football the press would be all over it asking questions,” he told The Drum. “Even if they weren’t able to reveal the intimate details of the material, they’d have a formula for dealing with it – ‘Although we can’t reveal the content… the revelations are explosive… there are deep questions about what was going on at this company…’ and so on. Yet they’ve just turned a blind eye to it.” Police confirmed last month that an investigation was underway into the Charlotte Fakes leaks but have revealed no further information into the progress of the investigation. The mysterious Twitter account has for months been releasing streams of correspondence between some of the main figures involved in the crisis at Rangers, including former owner Craig Whyte and founder of the club’s former PR agency Media House, Jack Irvine. It’s unclear how the Charlotte Fakes material was obtained but the documents are widely considered genuine within the media community. Some of the documents have even been removed from hosting sites at the request of legal firm Levy & McRae. In one of the emails, from Media House founder Jack Irvine to “Craig” – thought to be former Rangers owner Craig Whyte – Irvine apparently detailed his plans to take charge of the PR situation at Ibrox – and beyond. “Equally the morons in the media need to know they dealing with somebody who takes no shit from them and knows every one of their editors and their little secrets,” the email read. Irvine has declined to comment on the leaks and the Scottish media has so far refused to give the information much attention. Media House recently lost the PR contract with Rangers and the club emphasised in a public statement last week that Irvine no longer spoke for the club. Professor Greenslade said the media must be held to account and the information in the Charlotte Fakes documents pointed towards a serious problem with the influence of PR over the Scottish media during the course of the Rangers story. “I think it’s in the public interest to reveal that PRs acting for a company were influencing what newspapers were saying and were influencing the debate about something that is in the public interest, namely the liquidation of a company. “There is a public interest in the doings of the mainstream media. If we are holding power to account – and that is what we say we do – then we ought to hold ourselves to account as well, we need to be transparent. And these emails touch on whether journalists were doing their jobs impartially and therefore they are in the public interest. “I’m not being overly critical of Jack Irvine because we know what he was doing, he was acting on behalf of the company that hired him, but it’s the tame acceptance of what Jack Irvine was giving to journalists that is more worrying.” However, sportswriter at broadsheet title The Scotsman, Tom English, defended the Scottish media’s reluctance to touch the material. “Some of the documents have been very interesting, but I think accompanying that there has been a level of hysteria,” he said. “As journalists we have to separate what is interesting and what is relevant. There has been stuff on Charlotte Fakes that has made me think but has not yet made me act.”
CATEGORYDIGITALMEDIAPUBLIC RELATIONSSOCIAL MEDIA LOCATIONUK TAGSCHARLOTTE FAKESRANGERSROY GREENSLADEMEDIA HOUSEJACK IRVINETOM ENGLISH
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Airdrie United 0 v 6 RFC(IL)
Black didn’t score – fixed???
JT suicidal???
iamacant says:
August 23, 2013 at 9:38 pm
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Airdrie United 0 v 6 RFC(IL)
Black didn’t score – fixed???
JT suicidal???d 0 v 6 RFC(IL)
Black didn’t score – fixed???
JT suicidal???
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did Black play?
why would JT be suicidal? he has had many years to come to terms with the death of his team. Aidrie onions died, are no more – Clydebank on the other hand are alive and well playing under the most recent name of Airdrionians – after a short spell as Airdrie Utd.
Humble Pie says:
August 23, 2013 at 1:16 am
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Are we Brothers ? You speak my language !
Magnificently said, thank you.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 23, 2013 at 9:44 pm
did Black play?
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he did – mentioned in BBC report
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23805449
My mistake about Airdrie – should have said Airdrieonians
McCoist waving his papers –
Famously, Senator Joe McCarthy came to prominence by waving papers at a meeting in West Virginia and claiming he had evidence of ‘205 communists within the State Department’
Most, if not all, of his claims were eventually debunked, but it didn’t stop incredible damage being done –
the American (mainstream) media at the time were quite happy not to dig any further,
there’s a good article on google’s newspaper archive (including ad’s that wouldn’t look out of place in The Sunday Post) of one journalist who did futilely question his evidence :-
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19521030&id=ZAIkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Yn4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6906,7131622
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August 23, 2013 at 12:23 pm
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Drew Peacock says:
August 23, 2013 at 12:09 pm
So come on CF give Tom something worthy of him to write about.
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Are you serious?!?
“You are Sevco”
Imran’s mum
Rafat
etc etc
Certainly nothing worthy of Tom getting his pen dirty with!
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I wasn’t being serious. I was satirising TE’s ramblings. I’ll post satire in orange print next time.
JimLarkin@9:22pm.
The Roy Greenslade article seems to indicate the CF story is eventually going to break the dam. Who will be brave enough to print this in the MSM? It seems Mr Irvine has gathered some dirt on the Editors of the Scottish Press and has threatened them with exposure.
I used to think that type of practice was called “Blackmail”.
So Jack, are you involved in Blackmail? Is the truth being supressed by your threats and intimidation? Can we assume that you and your Organisation are actually despised by some Reporters/Journalists? If that is the case then this we can be absolutely certain of……Your day and ours Will Come.
auchinstarry says:
August 23, 2013 at 11:00 pm
JimLarkin@9:22pm.
The Roy Greenslade article seems to indicate the CF story is eventually going to break the dam. Who will be brave enough to print this in the MSM? It seems Mr Irvine has gathered some dirt on the Editors of the Scottish Press and has threatened them with exposure.
I used to think that type of practice was called “Blackmail”.
So Jack, are you involved in Blackmail? Is the truth being supressed by your threats and intimidation? Can we assume that you and your Organisation are actually despised by some Reporters/Journalists? If that is the case then this we can be absolutely certain of……Your day and ours Will Come.
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Funny old world isn’t it. The same Roy Greenslade, who whilst editor at the Mirror mounted a witch hunt against Scargill and printed lies about him but years later had to apologise to Arthur for his lies.
Never mind I suppose we can’t be too fussy about our Heroes.
Simple questions for genuine Rangers fans to ask:
Hidden in plain sight.
Where did the money come from (to buy)
Where did the money go (to sell)
“Visibility”
Reminder of a statement from David Whitehouse ( D&P) 16th Feb 2012 :
“Our understanding is that the funds from “Ticketus” didn’t come through the company’s account, they went through a parent company account so we haven’t got visibility on that*
Any sign of “Visibility ” detection from BDO
http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthespfl_1375800603.pdf
Pg 122, Para 88
88. Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League
Match in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Match. For the purposes of this Rule
Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two or
League Cup Matches. No more than two Trialists may Play for a Club in any one
Official Match. A Trialist shall, subject to compliance with the Rules, be permitted
to Play as a Trialist in a maximum of three Official Matches in any one Season for
any one Club. A Club intending to Play a Trialist in an Official Match must give
notification in writing to the Secretary of such intention and such notification must
specify details of the relevant player’s name and address, place and date of birth,
previous club for which he last played (if any), previous club to which he was last
registered (if any) and the country in which he last played.
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Law and Daly played tonight
is that an immediate overturning of the result?
I cannot say that I know McCoist now but I did work with him in the early 80s and he was a very personable lad and was so on the rare occasions we met since but its been a while.
However I have watched what I would call a deterioration in his personal growth and had a look at one device for personal development and found this.
Level 6: Get into conspicuous consumption and all forms of excess. Self-centered, materialistic, and greedy, never feeling that they have enough. Demanding and pushy, yet unsatisfied and jaded. Addictive, hardened, and insensitive.
Because of that earlier knowledge I have thought for some time he fits the Enneagram Type 7 template (of which the above is an extract) which anyone interested in looking at can be found here
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typeseven.asp
It is an interesting device in that folk of the same type can display different aspects depending on whether they are integrating (becoming a whole person) or disintegrating (speaks for itself).
Ally appears to be on the latter path. Interestingly he could move in the oppositie direction if he were to pick up on the healhy characteristics of Enneagram Type Five where wisdom is the underpinning attribute.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFive.asp
It all fits in to the Enneagram theory rather nicely.
(and you do not get this kind of stuff on other football forums (cept CQN maybe)
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http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthespfl_1375800603.pdf
Pg 122, Para 88
88. Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League
Match in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Match. For the purposes of this Rule
Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two or
League Cup Matches. No more than two Trialists may Play for a Club in any one
Official Match. A Trialist shall, subject to compliance with the Rules, be permitted
to Play as a Trialist in a maximum of three Official Matches in any one Season for
any one Club. A Club intending to Play a Trialist in an Official Match must give
notification in writing to the Secretary of such intention and such notification must
specify details of the relevant player’s name and address, place and date of birth,
previous club for which he last played (if any), previous club to which he was last
registered (if any) and the country in which he last played.
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Law and Daly played tonight
is that an immediate overturning of the result?
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Dunno! what is the definition of an “official Match”. Besides Airdrie getting PUMPED is no bad thing.
Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League Match in Divisions One and Two
For the purposes of this Rule Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two
No more than two Trialists may Play for a Club in any one Official Match
(which DO NOT include League matches!)
Drew Peacock.
Yes Drew, that was a scandal. It has been suggested that Robert Maxwell was actually the driving foirce behind it.
However it is possibly to Greenslade’s credit that on the 27th May 2002 he ran a rather sincere apology.
I wonder if Jack will follow suit.
Can someone please explain the difference between Div.1/Div.2 matches and Official matches?
Just catching up on the last 24 hrs again. There seems to be 3 big talking points, Gambling, MSM and SFA.
In no particular order :
1. Tom English : Fence sitter of the highest order ! What a complete wimp ! He has the evidence in front of him, but is trying soooo hard to try and make out that he is aware of what is going on, but is somehow reluctant to make his own point of view. Nice work if can get it ! Sorry Tom, the more this goes on, the more your esteem goes down ! Why not try some daring expose investigation (i.e. tell what’s really happening) for a change. 99.999999% of us on this Forum are not in the same Privileged position as you. We can only spout our mouth off here. You have the opportunity to give your opinion on Paper, Radio & TV.
Use that opportunity and be a man instead of earning a nice cosy living on “The Fence” !
2. Mr McCoist has really opened a Can of Worms with his “List of 100”. This has gone “MSM”, and obviously “On The Record” as interviews are so often described. If I’m correct, is this surely not a matter for the SFA’s so called “Compliance Officer”, Mr Lunny, to investigate ? It appears that Ally has not contacted the SFA to give these “100 Names”, so the SFA say there’s nothing to investigate unless there’s proof. Well there is proof ! Mr McCoist has a document with 100 names, that means, Mr Lunny, you ask him over for a chat. This is is evidence that Mr Black is innocent, if I’m not mistaken. i.e. Loads of other players are doing it, why pick on mine ?
3. SFA ? Where to start ? Actually I can’t be bothered starting on those Numpties ! It’s all been said over the last 2 years and they’re all still there ! Nuff said I think !
What I will say, though, is that Scottish Football might be better off if the whole damned Organisation was cleansed thoroughly. They’re all well paid enough in their Ivory Towers in Hampden. Are they money well spent, though ?
SFA has a bad stench about it at the moment. In fact, It’s a putrid stench. Gazza’s rotten trout in the back of Gordon Duries Boot probably smelt sweeter !
In fact, TE, how about arranging a TV/ Radio interview with Mr Ogilvie ?
Funny how Mr O, President of The SFA, never gives “open” interviews” ? Just saying !
Agree here with Not The Huddle Malcontent.
The rule is that trialists can play in official matches, plus the Ramsden Cup (?), but not in competitive matches: they could play in friendlies as an example.
Wondered about this when the press was trumpeting about unregistered players being able to play in 3 games before 1st September.
Auldheid says:
August 23, 2013 at 11:48 pm
I cannot say that I know McCoist now but I did work with him in the early 80s and he was a very personable lad and was so on the rare occasions we met since but its been a while.
However I have watched what I would call a deterioration in his personal growth and had a look at one device for personal development and found this.
Level 6: Get into conspicuous consumption and all forms of excess. Self-centered, materialistic, and greedy, never feeling that they have enough. Demanding and pushy, yet unsatisfied and jaded. Addictive, hardened, and insensitive.
Because of that earlier knowledge I have thought for some time he fits the Enneagram Type 7 template (of which the above is an extract) which anyone interested in looking at can be found here
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typeseven.asp
It is an interesting device in that folk of the same type can display different aspects depending on whether they are integrating (becoming a whole person) or disintegrating (speaks for itself).
Ally appears to be on the latter path. Interestingly he could move in the oppositie direction if he were to pick up on the healhy characteristics of Enneagram Type Five where wisdom is the underpinning attribute.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFive.asp
It all fits in to the Enneagram theory rather nicely.
(and you do not get this kind of stuff on other football forums (cept CQN maybe)
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Great stuff – label us all up with the use of pseudo science and call it the truth. Ask Hans Eysenck how that went for him when caught cheating on the IQ test!
As for Ally – he’s not sleeping well, over eating and self medicating as far as I can see.
‘John’@JohnMcLean_HS678h
Try and find 2 minutes to read this.
http://m.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/23/guardian-writer-and-journalism-professor-roy-greenslade-accuses-scottish-media …
@TomEnglishSport … @CharlotteFakes
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Hey Tom What about uefa licence revelations? A national footballing association
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
colluding yes colluding Tom to help a club evade taxes due? Or is it not
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
a football matter and more for the political/ business reporters.
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Leave it to real reporters Tom – aka Bampots. Either that or grow a set.
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@AndyMcCrimmon @JohnMcLean_HS67 @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Regan asks Rangers to clear a draft on the overdue wee tax bill & that’s
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@AndyMcCrimmon @JohnMcLean_HS67 @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
not worth reporting? Or the consternation it caused or the dinner with
Auldheid@Auldheid7h
@AndyMcCrimmon
Regan and Ogilvie that resulted. That’s not worth investigating Tom? Happy to supply a lead and happy to be proved wrong.
Stevie F@bhoyflynn777h
@enmac75 @Auldheid @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes no chance!he’d have to hand back his 30pieces of silver
*@enmac757h
@Auldheid @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
gauntlet thrown down tom RE:UEFA Licence.worth investigating no?
Auldheid@Auldheid6h
@JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Tom your eyes will not melt if you read http://www.scribd.com/doc/146504920/Licence-Issues … & ask wtf?
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@hugelavvy @TomEnglishSport You have no idea – but the same two dinner guests still rule the SFA roost &Tom thinks there is no story?
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes Exactly. Its real OK. And why did Rangers PR man think SFA would
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
be asked questions if they went ahead and published as drafted?
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Story is written. Questions have been asked & it will come out
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Breaking Bad would kill for it – all Crystal Myth I mean meth
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
At same dinner CW given assurances re being fit & proper person
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
person that SFA subsequently (after Administration) reneged on
Auldheid@Auldheid5h
@LAGhirl @JohnMcLean_HS67 @AngelaHaggerty @TomEnglishSport @CharlotteFakes
Tom does not want to dig because he is afraid of what he will find
TRFC cutting a swathe through another club rather than through themselves tonight, for a change. They really can’t win. If they win games imperiously, for so many fans, everything is glorious, things couldn’t be better. If they lose or draw, attention focuses on McCoist and his dearth of, well, anything really other than finger pointing – he’s really good at pointing the finger at everyone else. And drawing up lists of names, or alleged names. Just give him 10 minutes and a telephone directory. Meanwhile the money drains away on salarys ill-afforded, on directors milking the dying beast as long it lasts and coffers once allegedly burgeoning with £22 million, and war chests once promised evaporate in a AGM/ EGM haze as costs are cut and Mr Green’s draining £12k p/a consultancy fee is saved and alternatively funnelled into hotel bills in Ayrshire. Gym Traynor & his hyperventilation on seeing on ex-club play another ex-club. Oh I wish there was a Jim Traynor phone in tonight – nah I don’t really – though listening to JT cutting himself off, as he gloats about a 6-0 win for the club he has always supported for the last 12 months, would be quite funny. Tortuous but funny.
Drew Peacock says:
August 24, 2013 at 12:13 am
Auldheid says:
August 23, 2013 at 11:48 pm
I cannot say that I know McCoist now but I did work with him in the early 80s and he was a very personable lad and was so on the rare occasions we met since but its been a while.
However I have watched what I would call a deterioration in his personal growth and had a look at one device for personal development and found this.
Level 6: Get into conspicuous consumption and all forms of excess. Self-centered, materialistic, and greedy, never feeling that they have enough. Demanding and pushy, yet unsatisfied and jaded. Addictive, hardened, and insensitive.
Because of that earlier knowledge I have thought for some time he fits the Enneagram Type 7 template (of which the above is an extract) which anyone interested in looking at can be found here
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typeseven.asp
It is an interesting device in that folk of the same type can display different aspects depending on whether they are integrating (becoming a whole person) or disintegrating (speaks for itself).
Ally appears to be on the latter path. Interestingly he could move in the oppositie direction if he were to pick up on the healhy characteristics of Enneagram Type Five where wisdom is the underpinning attribute.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFive.asp
It all fits in to the Enneagram theory rather nicely.
(and you do not get this kind of stuff on other football forums (cept CQN maybe)
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Great stuff – label us all up with the use of pseudo science and call it the truth. Ask Hans Eysenck how that went for him when caught cheating on the IQ test!
As for Ally – he’s not sleeping well, over aeting and self medicating as far as I can see.
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Its roots are in mysticism not psuedo science and those who identify themselves through it find it very accurate. Its not a device for labling others but once you explore it for self you do start to see characteristics of each type emerging in others.
No where did I claim it to be true but I do think it can be useful in understanding all the facets of human nature. A sort of lexicon for being human.
PS Labling is one of the first charges everyone uses not to delve further. But I have got a lot of Five in me 🙂
Ian Black is accused of betting on matches he is involved in. Ally alleges that he knows the names of players and officials who do the same thing. A former footballer turned journalist claims that he was aware of match fixing in his days as a professional footballer.
Depressing.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 23, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Ah – you had me there and did some checking up, thought for a second it was cast iron case but the TRFC website gave a different interpretation (well they would you might say) but on reading through the SPFL – TRFC are in SPFL division 3 (i.e. the third level in the structure) for the sake of the rules, which is known as division 1 for the sake of branding. As usual nothing in Scottish football administration, rules or TRFC is straightforward. 🙄
fergussingstheblues says:
August 23, 2013 at 9:47 pm
You are all my brothers.
John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
With regards to the current scandal within Scottish Football regarding players gambling on matches. The SFA have backed themselves into a corner here. If they use the Sandy Bryson rule interpretation then they cannot find Ian Black guilty of rule breaking as they were not aware it was taking place at the time. Now that they know what has been going on then Ian Black would be in real trouble if he decided to continue with his betting on football matches. If they administer the rules in the appropriate manner in the way they were intended to be administered in this instance should this not lead to calls to re open the disgraceful players registration enquiry as there would be evidence of rule breaking by the very people who are paid handsomely to Govern the sport in Scotland.?
It was always going to happen. The SFA were always going to trip themselves up sooner or later with their lies, deceit and rule breaking. With revelations from various parties across the country that not only players but officials partake in betting on football matches and even accusations and revelations of match fixing by professional footballers then surely the SFA cannot be allowed to look into these allegations themselves. This has to be investigated by Scotlands Finest and/or UEFA.
Scottish Football needs a strong odds on favourite.
“Good faith” appears to be the argument du jour.
Wonder what odds Ladbrokes would give on any action being taken by the Seriously Feeble Association?
Scottish football needs rules to be understandable, understood and adhered to….
The attitude shown by McCoist, Le Tissier et al. to betting on a game in which you are involved is just astonishing and sad. Contrast it with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7yDz-HQDww
The clear campaign to muddy the waters surrounding the rules on gambling is for one reason only IMO. Sevco will not want to pay anyone £7K a week who might be banned for a few months and can’t play. A scenario is being constructed where if the SFA try and take severe action there will be complete outrage and no doubt threats from the usual sources. If Black still played for Hearts or ICT the media would not be giving a toss about what happened to him.
@torrejohnbhoy
I noticed this (below) was referred to. But what does it all mean? At this time of the day it reads like gobbledygook 😆
“88. Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League Match in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Match. For the purposes of this Rule Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Matches. No more than two Trialists may Play for a Club in any one Official Match. A Trialist shall, subject to compliance with the Rules, be permitted to Play as a Trialist in a maximum of three Official Matches in any one Season for any one Club. A Club intending to Play a Trialist in an Official Match must give notification in writing to the Secretary of such intention and such notification must specify details of the relevant player’s name and address, place and date of birth, previous club for which he last played (if any), previous club to which he was last registered (if any) and the country in which he last played.”
upthehoops
Had my first wee look around to see if the screaming had stopped yet. It seems to have subsided a little but there do seem to be a lot of spoiled people still harping on.
Anyway, the hills beckon.
Back later to catch up on events in the healthiest Scottish Premier League (or whatever) in decades.
I just sent the following to UEFA/FIFA:
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To: info@uefa.com; contact@fifa.org
Subject: Match fixing in Scotland
Sirs,
Recently, my attention was drawn to an article in a Scottish newspaper by a former player turned journalist that there is a culture amongst professional and semi-professional football players to fix matches that they were involved in for the purposes of gambling on the outcomes of these games. The article can be hound here : http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gordon-parks-day-pals-cheated-2208165
Also, recently reported on the web site of the BBC, Scottish international player Kevin Kyle gambling is rife in Scottish football at the top level and presumably if these involve betting on their own teams then match fixing is a distinct possibility. This article can be seen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23769011
Further, a manager of one of Scotland’s largest clubs claims that he personally knows of hundreds of Scottish players who regularly bet on games and has a list of names to prove this: http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/236978-scottish-fa-reject-ally-mccoists-call-for-gambling-rules-clarification/
The Scottish Football Association are currently investigating one player, Iain Black where they have evidence that this player has bet on a number of matches including matches he has participated in and in some cases he wagered that his own team would be defeated. However, they have stated that they will not investigate further unless they are presented with evidence, despite all the allegations made in the articles above. I would have thought at the very least, the people who are making these allegations should be called before the association and asked to explain their comments.
Match fixing to gain profits from gambling is an anathema to sportsmanship and fair play and is a cancer in our game. How can I watch a sport when I cannot be certain that the result has not been fixed beforehand? In that case, it is not a sport at all. It is a rigged game played for the benefit of those playing it. Given the SFA’s unwillingness to investigate these matters further, I thought I should bring this matter to your attention.
I expect that all efforts should be made to cleanse the sport of football from this insidious and malevolent practice. I would be very grateful if this matter would be brought to the attention of the relevant people in UEFA/ FIFA who are responsible for investigating such issues.
Kind regards
JLeeHooker (used my real name)
So has ally ( he who is mr sevco? ) broken another ‘rule’ ? The guy gets lower in my estimation every day, dignity?????? Don’t make me laugh, he is desperate and really quite sad now but will anything happen? no !!! Coz it’s superdooperally 😉 so glad I didn’t renew our season tickets because every team’s board is guilty of allowing the new team ( same as they did the old one ) to cheat. Simples
Betting on the outcome of a football match that you are involved in and can actually influence the result is match fixing….
That being the case…. relegation should be the considered punishment…and expulsion from football for the player or players involved for a stated period of time…
Black is the only player named so far….anyone else believe that the games he played in and had a bet…that he was the only one in that game betting on the outcome?…Once you realise how many might have been in on the bet in one game then you can establish just how fixed the match was…
Or are SEVCO trying to get the number of points they won last season reduced…based on Black’s involvement in those games….in the event they face a points deduction this season?
You just never know with this group of SPIVS!
I see CF has been busy explaining the ins and outs of Ally’s voluntary wage cut which is not all that it seemed.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rm2ge7
Danish Pastry says:
August 24, 2013 at 8:07 am
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@torrejohnbhoy
I noticed this (below) was referred to. But what does it all mean? At this time of the day it reads like gobbledygook 😆
“88. Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League Match in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Match. For the purposes of this Rule Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Matches.
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It does seem to be written in a rather obscure fashion. For clarity, the Divisions One and Two referred to in the rules and regulations are, in fact, the top two divisions, so Premiership and Championship. They are detailed in the same document. Rangers play in League One, which is Division Three, so they CAN play trialists.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 6:42 am
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John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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Good luck with that one. Here is a press release I received due to a disruption in the space-time continuum.
Questions have been raised with the SPFL concerning the eligibility of two players of The Rangers FC (namely John Daly and Nicky Law) in the Division1 match against Airdrieonians on 23rd August 2013.
In accordance with para88 of SPFL rules The Rangers FC wrote informing us of their intention to play these two trialists. In this letter it was implicit that this was permissible under that rule.
Both played in the match.
Subsequent legal advice has cast doubt on their eligibility since this would be the fourth match they had played in. However the SFA Head of Registrations has assured us that The Rangers having informed us of their intention to select these players were entitled so to do and that the subsequent legal pettifogging has no bearing on their eligibility.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 6:42 am
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John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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I don’t think the Ramsden Cup counts as one of the three.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 6:42 am
John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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Question then follows if true….
What is the punishment?
scottc says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:14 am
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 6:42 am
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John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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I don’t think the Ramsden Cup counts as one of the three.
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That’s the problem here.No clarity.I’m surprised Ally hasn’t been on to the SPFL demanding a meeting!.
Seriously though,If the Ramsdens Cup doesn’t count,then on what basis did Daly & Law play?.
They can’t be trialists and also can’t be registered,so what was their status at that time?.
Or are we to believe that the Ramsdens Cup tie was not an official game?.
scottc says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:09 am
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Danish Pastry says:
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@torrejohnbhoy
I noticed this (below) was referred to. But what does it all mean? At this time of the day it reads like gobbledygook 😆
“88. Trialists are not under any circumstances eligible to Play for a Club in a League Match in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Match. For the purposes of this Rule Official Matches do not include League Matches in Divisions One and Two or League Cup Matches.
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It does seem to be written in a rather obscure fashion. For clarity, the Divisions One and Two referred to in the rules and regulations are, in fact, the top two divisions, so Premiership and Championship. They are detailed in the same document. Rangers play in League One, which is Division Three, so they CAN play trialists.
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but how MANY games can they play in? if the Ramsden cup is not an official game – then they are ok, but if it is (and IT IS) then they have played 1 game too many
Paulmac2 says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:22 am
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 6:42 am
John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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Question then follows if true….
What is the punishment?
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According to Sandy Bryson, they may not have been eligible to play but since they played that means that they are eligible. 😯 Nope, still does not make sense. 😳
Ally’s inability to comprehend the rule about football players not betting on football games appears to be in stark contrast to his Machiavellian manipulation of the signing embargo and the trialist rules.
Will airdrie have to highlight this to the ‘authorities’ or did these guys play ‘in good faith’ come on ally what’s your opinion on this ( you seem to have one on most other things these days 😕 ) or did you just get confused?? 😆 what’s in a name??
One of the guys on KDS has dug out there rules.
“Official Match means a Football match played in the framework of Organised Football under the auspices of and organised by the Company and includes, without limitation, all League Matches, Play-Off Matches, League Cup Matches, Reserve League matches, Under 20 League matches and matches in all other Competitions operated by the Company”
It’s the SPFL Challenge Cup – why wouldn’t it be an official match?
20-30 years ago this trialist story would be the biggest scandal in Scottish football. Now it’s just today’s episode in this long running story.
That is depressing.
Brenda says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:37 am
Will airdrie have to highlight this to the ‘authorities’ or did these guys play ‘in good faith’ come on ally what’s your opinion on this ( you seem to have one on most other things these days 😕 ) or did you just get confused?? 😆 what’s in a name??
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Doubt it.The Airdrie chairman,Mr Ballantyne unashamedly attended a Linfield y TRFC friendly wearing an RFFF badge,whist president of the SFL,was a shareholder in Oldco,as were every member of the Airdrie BoD except,funnily enough,Ian McMillan,the ex RFC player.
Said Mr Ballantyne is,as far as we know being investigated for under the counter payments to Longmuir for “services unknown” .
If you’re waiting for Airdrie to complain,I suggest you throw away your clock and buy a Calendar. 😥
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:24 am
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scottc says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:14 am
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
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John Hunter @J0hnB01 7h
@GrahamSpiers might be worth investigation for the paper. Jon Daly & Nicky Law appear to have played as trialist 4 times, rules say 3 max
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I don’t think the Ramsden Cup counts as one of the three.
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That’s the problem here.No clarity.I’m surprised Ally hasn’t been on to the SPFL demanding a meeting!.
Seriously though,If the Ramsdens Cup doesn’t count,then on what basis did Daly & Law play?.
They can’t be trialists and also can’t be registered,so what was their status at that time?.
Or are we to believe that the Ramsdens Cup tie was not an official game?.
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Fully agree TJB. The rules seem to be written in such a way as to make it easy to circumvent them.
I think that Rangers are currently within the rules as per number of games; their plan was too well trailed for them not to be. However, in that same document the SPFL define what a trialist is as
“Trialist means a player who is under assessment and evaluation by a Club as to his ability, fitness or the like to play Football for that Club in Official Matches and who is not Registered to that Club;” (page 17)
Can they, hand on heart, really justify any of their ‘trialists’ as conforming to that definition?
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torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:38 am
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One of the guys on KDS has dug out there rules.
It’s the SPFL Challenge Cup – why wouldn’t it be an official match?
I can accept that. I had made an assumption earlier. Lets list what matches they HAVE played in and see if they fall into these definitions.
torrejohnbhoy
😆 😆 my point exactly Scottish football rotten to the core
A bit long.Seems to be a copy of the flier that George,the angry TRFC fan is dishing out.
23 aug 2013 01:41:42
this story and the people named in it are not being factually slandered this is an opinion based on information available in the public domain.
rangers and the old firm long firm
since the day david murray ignored the pleas from our mr johnston and paul murray, rangers football club have been the victim of a preplanned asset stripping.
craig whyte was the man chosen to front this operation, which is known in the underworld as a long firm. * see “the long firm” by jake arnott, a book that reveals the sort of devious operation this is.
the way it is perpetrated is, first you obtain a struggling business that is ‘ripe’ for a buyout and has a viable credit line, and a base of investors that will throw money into it if it looks like it is going to recover (ranger fans, season tickets, fighting fund and share issue). next, make sure you change all invoicing terms to 60 or 90 days from normal 28/30 days, this gives you 2 months of time to strip assets, sell all you can and if you get the ‘front man’ to pay a few bills and promise all will be fine when he sorts out the mess left by previous owner (buy a couple of free transfers and maybe pay a couple) but important; the expensive ones make sure you mess around with stupid low offers to show people you are ‘trying’ but there’s no chance the sale will actually happen (goodwillie and others).
after restricting access to accounts and cheque book, sack anyone that could cause a problem or make sure they cannot see who owns deeds and definately have no access to accounts (p murray and others plus john grieg walking away with others).
if possible and room is left by hmrc, do not pay any tax or paye.
sell any cash raising assets available just prior to any hint of administration (hmrc court application – so sell jelavic to highest cash up front offer not highest long term offer = everton and west ham) sell the arsenal shares.
tie up all loose ends with a mass of paperwork to cover up accounts, payments like £250,000 to friends – like aiden in banstead athletic. make escape before scam is rumbled and blame previous owner”s debts and big tax case.
facts are tax and paye paid = no administration and certainly a cva not liquidation.
at no time allow hmrc to nominate the administrator.
must nominate a ‘friendly’ admin company, to help smother all funds lost and obviously they rake in masses of fees plus stall long enough twarting any preferred bids until you have money transferred to chosen friends for their preferred bid (£174,000 from cw to cg’s mum ) and green wins bid same way as whyte bought rangers using other peoples’ money.
bugger off to monaco and only resurface to talk smoke and mirrors or nonsense as per when in ownership period of rangers footbal club.
the second phase of the structured and planned heist will go along in roughly the same pattern with bonus that as new saviours (using others’ cash) you have honeymoon period where it goes unnoticed the massive wage structure of payments to all people involved (green, ahmad, stockbridge etc) and massive wage structure for ally, durrant and pals as they are essential to have on board to sell season tickets & to establish trust with fans etc etc. this will come in handy for share issue too, at later date.
do not sack ally no matter what results and cups knocked out (despite revenue lost) ‘we need him’. if any restless natives situations occur (rangers fans starting to fathom that things are not right!) use possible back up plan of walter smith – trust again in fan base.
get rid of any board members that might cause problems to the master plan (mr malcolm murray being one example) if eventually things get heated, replace green with a trusted associate (such as mr mather) to quell the anger and re-establish trust. do not show accounts and do not clearly disclose the ownership of rangers assets, such as ibrox and murray park.
same proceedure with season ticket money and share issue transfer out of rangers to massive wages for all involved massive bonuses and as many consultants etc as possible should allow roughly £35 million to be ‘disappeared’, better than wee craigy who only got £20 million approx maybe more (bougey money? jelly money? arsenal shares?) if all goes to plan and second admin happens a possible outcome is sell the assets and rent back to rangers in the cva package heroes again saving us from another liquidtion. and. wait for it, how clever was it signing all those top flight players 8 of them as they will likely help us overcome the points deduction.
bears this is just the outlining of what happened and is happening again.
not saying mccoll and co, blin and murray etc are the answer but for sure this needs to be stopped and before the endgame and the mountains of paperwork to go through to trace all monies etc etc. that is too late! it has to be stopped now! i will set up email and website in next few days and pass it on to all of you so i can detail the other names that have been backing this whole charade from the outset plus some proposals to set up a fans’ group like hearts to organise possible cva offer if worst happens.
fellow rangers fans we have put £20 million in seasons alone forgeting fund and share issue. rangers were sold for £5. 5million!! we can and should have organised then! hope it doesn’t come to that but this time through a fans’ group and maybe a figurehead like john grieg we trust there could be a well constructed fans bid and then we’ll own our club!
if not then at least a strong representation on any future board
yours in rangers
From the London angry guy??????