Mr Green and Opportunity Knocks— For Aberdeen?

Bybroganrogantrevinoandhogan

Mr Green and Opportunity Knocks— For Aberdeen?

Good Morning,

In the last week, we have seen a number of strange occurrences in Scottish Football, which if taken together might just point to a very different land than the one we were lead to believe we live in just two short years ago.

First of all there was the report from a firm of well known accountants which pronounced that a significant number of Scottish Football Clubs had, in fact, sold more season tickets for this coming season than they had in the course of the last several years.

Then we had the spectacle of the National team travelling to Wembley and playing very well AND being cheered on by a very large travelling support who appear to have been full of fun and who acquitted themselves well in the big smoke.

This morning I read that today’s match at Pittodrie is a sell out — with the old stadium being packed to the rafters for the visit of Celtic. This is the first time that Aberdeen have been able to sell out the fixture for some 6 years!

Not only that, various Celtic supporting websites have lead with articles saying that the return of a strong Aberdeen and Dundee United are to be welcomed– in fact not only welcomed but positively wished for.

In contrast, stories abound about the in fighting on the Ibrox Board. There are surreptitious share dealings and all sorts of company jockeying being deployed by the rival factions who are trying to gain control of The Rangers. Further, there is the suggestion from some well informed parties that not only will Ibrox and the Albion be sold and leased back to the club to generate much needed immediate cash, but that Murray Park has been sold off completely and will no longer be available to The Rangers for any purpose whatsoever!

Clearly, there are big troubles at the club which will not assist in the stated intention of rising to the very top in Scottish Football.

In between all of this, the debate goes on about Campbell Ogilvie, Press manipulation, the correspondence  between Media House and the SFA, and between The SFA and Ibrox re the relationship between Charlie Green and Craig Whyte and so on.

Standing with my business hat on, I looked at all of this and wondered what it all meant, and pretty quickly reached the conclusion that we are now in a time of supreme opportunity for some of the clubs in Scottish Football—- particularly Aberdeen FC.

There is a view abroad, that in the absence of the “Strong Rangers” that Celtic Football Club will win the SPFL title for almost evermore — or at least until they are toppled from the top spot by the rise of a strong Rangers club somewhere towards the end of this decade or early in the next– because we are assured that they will be back– in one form or another– in a rather Arnold Schwarzenegger  like fashion.

That return or initial rise if you like– its timing and its manner— is dependent on a number of things– not least the exit strategy of Charlie Green and his cohorts.

If it is true that The Rangers are going to part company with Ibrox and the Albion, that they have taken on a loan of funds which attract a rate of interest that amounts to 15% per annum, and that there are set figures for buying the old ( and decaying ) stadium back any time soon, and that they have yet again hawked the season ticket money, then the already flawed Ibrox business plan is burdened even more by interest and rent payments of an additional £3M per annum and rising!

It should also be noted that the accounts for old co from the mid naughties onwards boasted that season ticket sales, merchandising, corporate hospitality and so on had reached unprecedented levels—- but—- the club still did not make an operating profit without strange internals transactions such as the repurchase of media rights which added £15M on to the P&L’s AND the sale of Jean Alain Boomsong!

Accordingly, the current position will not make for good financial reading.

So– let’s presume that in the current climate Celtic are out of sight and will always be champions for ever and a day. What do the rest of the clubs say in the absence of the Ibrox club without whom they have been told they will perish?

Well, If I were in charge of Aberdeen FC I would look out across a city with an inherent population of some 220,000 souls sitting in a county which takes the population up by another 40,000 or so. I would note that the compact city also houses two universities and a number of colleges — all of which attract visitors to the city— and that its position as the oil capital of Europe also draws in a substantial number of itinerant workers.

Further, personal knowledge shows that many who studied at Aberdeen University or Robert Gordon’s in the 80’s left the city as Aberdeen FC fans and no matter where they have ended up in life they still make the journey back to Pittodrie when they can– especially in good times!

Alas, however, Aberdeen has not enjoyed ” Good Times” of late— in fact not really since ……….. the arrival of David Murray at Ibrox!

If you cast your mind back to the pre Murray era, Aberdeen were a force not only in Scotland but Europe as the recent nostalgia re Gothenburg has reminded us.

The city has an economic micro climate which suggests that it can ride economic hardship better than most and so all things considered this current period provides a great opportunity for the Dons.

Unlike Dundee United, Hearts, and Hibs, Aberdeen FC sits in a large one team conurbation and should be on the doorstep of a populace which can fill Pittodrie every single week …… IF that fan base can be motivated.

And there lies the rub– how do you get a notoriously fickle fan base out of the armchair and into the stadium?

The late Bob Crampsey once described Pittodrie by saying ” And there are the masses of Aberdeen fans, masquerading as rows and rows of Empty seats!” yet in their heydey an Aberdeen crowd on a visit to Glasgow were among the noisiest– and to this football fans eyes — the scariest ( in a good sense ) supports to be seen.

Well, at this juncture, Derek McInnes and team need only look at every other football club in the land ( bar Celtic ) and determine that come next May those others will be below them in the league. If Aberdeen maintain a strong league run keeping everyone behind them then there is the possibility of a huge revenue swing in favour of the Dons– such a swing that would put them in an even stronger position for the following year.

Further, Aberdeen are a European name. Perhaps a European name from yesteryear and not the recent past, but the pedigree is there and as such there will be those who remember the heady European Nights both home and away. Reviving those memories and that reputation– at least to an extent– is not beyond the club, and with no disrespect to Motherwell and St Johnstone both of whom are liable to lose key players or even a manager between seasons, Aberdeen may just be of a size to consolidate each year rather than scramble to maintain the momentum of one good season which comes along every now and then.

Financial management and football rewards can go hand in hand when combined properly, and of all the clubs in Scotland who can benefit from a level playing field in terms of proper football governance, Aberdeen FC are uniquely placed in my opinion.

That is not so say that The Arabs, or the Hibees or anyone else cannot benefit– on the contrary— but the Dons are the most obvious candidates in terms of potential structure to really motor forward and regain a by gone status.

Such a situation, and the recognition of that potential, should be borne in mind by all at Celtic Football Club, as last year they struggled for a period in the league while they concentrated on their European exploits. If Celtic want to go further and further in Europe ( and why shouldn’t they ) they will have to be wary of any club which is capable of reigniting its fortunes from a lowly position or a position of having to look back at glory and potential glory rather than looking forward.

Further, with the way things are being organised at Ibrox, there is absolutely no guarantee ( some would say likelihood ) that an eventual challenge to a perceived dominance by Celtic will come from that quarter, and life in the top flight for any returning Rangers could prove very difficult if the likes of Aberdeen get their act together and start to produce the type of home grown team of old.

For now, I sense a degree of optimism about the Dons– not just on the playing front either.  They have a fan base, they have a business model and a good young manager, and any comparative business exercise must conclude that they have every chance of rising above most of their rivals in the league, in terms of revenue, in terms of brand development and business expansion.

If I were an Aberdeen fan I would like to think positive and be ambitious in this climate, whilst at the same time casting an eye back to the days when they were top of the tree.

As one Aberdeen supporting ( but now Edinburgh based ) friend put it to me:

” Ah, those were the days my friend, those were the days……………”

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2,310 Comments so far

ianagainPosted on12:32 am - Aug 31, 2013


So who do I Write to at twitter to complain? About the complaint from Jack and get it all put back up.

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Matty RothPosted on12:33 am - Aug 31, 2013


ianagain says:
August 31, 2013 at 12:17 am
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More power to him/her and all ex Rangers fans like him/her.

Better to be a fan of football than a fan of … well where do I start? But anyway I’ve often wondered what some people see in supporting this team (and by extension its ideals). Could never get my head around it.

If I supported a team with (even with all my heart) and I subsequently found them to be such a foul hollow vessel I don’t think I’d waste one minute continuing to support them.

What can any football fan really see in them? Pathetic.

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ianagainPosted on12:41 am - Aug 31, 2013


Matty

Yes the thing that struck him was the sheer amount of NI fans that travelled. Not normal in his experience of days at Ibrox when he was living in Glasgow.

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ianagainPosted on12:43 am - Aug 31, 2013


Any hows anyone with CF material. Please repost and ==== Jack off.

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SouthernExilePosted on1:08 am - Aug 31, 2013


Farewell Seamus Heaney, the greatest Irish poet since the immortal WBY.
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“But best of all was the warm thick slobber
Of frogspawn that grew like clotted water
In the shade of the banks. Here, every spring
I would fill jampotfuls of the jellied
Specks to range on window-sills at home,
On shelves at school, and wait and watch until
The fattening dots burst into nimble-
Swimming tadpoles.”
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Apologies if this seems self-indulgent and OT, but my childhood was like this to.

There are deep roots under the surface.

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TSFMPosted on2:45 am - Aug 31, 2013


ianagain says:

August 30, 2013 at 11:45 pm (Edit)
wondered if this might happen. a few days ago some guys reverse engineered Drpobox
As I reckon CF is IT literate I think maybe traces are being removed.

TSFM what do you reckon?
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I think CtH may be IT literate, but reverse engineering a tweet seems a bit of a tall order compared to doing the same to documents, so why lose the tweets?

Someone with IT savvy would not be reacting to events anyway, but would have been proactive in removing footprints beforehand. I can’t believe that people at TRFC have not been aware of CtH’s identity given the wide range of sources for the CtH material. The cherry-picking of documents for removal looks to me more like choreography than anything else.

I have never been able to work out CtH’s motives, although I have been pretty certain throughout that hers do not coincide with those of the vast majority on this blog. The end of course, may justify the means, but is CtH really interested in business ethics and sporting integrity?

Maybe what we are seeing tonight is the van reversing out of the loading bay…..

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TSFMPosted on2:51 am - Aug 31, 2013


SouthernExile says:

August 31, 2013 at 1:08 am (Edit)

Farewell Seamus Heaney, the greatest Irish poet since the immortal WBY.
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“But best of all was the warm thick slobber
Of frogspawn that grew like clotted water
In the shade of the banks. Here, every spring
I would fill jampotfuls of the jellied
Specks to range on window-sills at home,
On shelves at school, and wait and watch until
The fattening dots burst into nimble-
Swimming tadpoles.”
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Apologies if this seems self-indulgent and OT, but my childhood was like this to.

There are deep roots under the surface
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Frogspawn, newts and sticklebacks from Paterson’s Quarry at Boghall in Baillieston. The summers of eternity 🙂

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Danish PastryPosted on7:19 am - Aug 31, 2013


paulsatim says:
August 30, 2013 at 11:44 pm
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would have thought if it was Charlotte’s doing it would have been easier to close account?
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Allyjambo says:
August 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm
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Could it be ‘job done’? Green has gone (maybe) – has CF caused his departure, or was it part of the plan? On the other hand, didn’t someone say earlier that McMurdo was claiming to have discovered her identity?
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@Paulsatim
Does individual deletion remove retweets? Not sure how and when that happens, or if they are completely deleted on the twitter servers. Perhaps they can be resurrected? A one-by-one deletion could also have been a form of alarm code, hence the new avatar, but that’s probably reading too much into it. Didn’t the release of very up-to-date docs suggest a mole more than a hacker?

@Allyjambo
There will be a lot of speculation now. My own petty and ill-informed opinion is that it was someone in CW’s circle, or the man himself, via a proxy. Has he now got his wish? Or maybe the proxy was stiffed, lke so many others, and deleted the lot? It’s that riddle, enigma, mystery quote that I can never quite recite 🙂

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upthehoopsPosted on7:23 am - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm
My question to the forum is would it not be a good thing for Scottish football for a cleaned up, calm board, financially viable Rangers to make their way through the leagues, distributing the money provided by away fans throughout that time?
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Many people on here have acknowledged what you say. What they object to is the view that ‘Rangers’ are somehow ‘entitled’.

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redlichtiePosted on7:47 am - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm

Honest question; its a common theme on here about “Armageddon” etc. and how it didn’t happen. I think everyone knew it wouldn’t and we’re all glad it didn’t. The proposed “Scottish football needs a strong Rangers” ((c) Redlichtie) however I think is more interesting.
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Ryan, I’m sure you would not wish to put words in my mouth.

“Scottish football needs a strong Rangers” is not a phrase I have ever used.

My little sign-off is an attempt at irony.

Scottish football needs a strong Arbroath. And 41 other teams making up the senior leagues.

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upthehoopsPosted on8:01 am - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:
August 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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It is good that some Rangers fans engage on this forum. It would be far easier for you to shoot the messenger.

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Madbhoy24941Posted on8:23 am - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:

August 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm

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Scottish football does not need another team with vastly overpaid players and management which skew the competition and cause others to negatively react and attempt to follow, it does not need a bunch of fans, players, coaches, management and owners that believe they have a “right” to be at the top. It could do without some of the worse elements of society attaching itself to football, it does not and should not want to be associated with organisations who are selfish and whose priorities are more financial than football related.

So in my opinion: Scottish Football does not need Rangers.

– Scottish Football needs more than one team that is strong enough to complete for every prize
– Scottish Football needs more bums on seats
– Scottish Football needs to supports the game from grass roots

I don’t know the answers to how we achieve that but I believe there is far too much money in the game as it is, there is not a fair playing field and as long as we base our decisions on what SKY or Rangers bring to the game then we will never make inroads to fixing our game.

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davythelotionPosted on8:25 am - Aug 31, 2013


Charles Green sells his ‘locked-in’ shares to an account controlled by the Easdales.
Media House is under investigation for the ‘John Greig’ email.
The transfer deadline day is moved in order to accommodate Sevco.
The interim accounts, revealing that there was a £24m pump, and an income of £22m from the share issue, and A loss of £7m are posted, then deleted.
The AGM, scheduled for Oct ’13, looks shaky.
The ‘care & repair’ of the stadium appears to have been neglected.
Mather has allegedly been discussing wage cuts with playing/management staff.
Eight/nine trialists are anxiously awaiting Sept 1
JT/leggo appear to be at loggerheads with JI.
Nobody mentions Craig Whyte’s name, he appears to have acquired Voldermot’s persona.
Add the above together, what is going on?
Is it:
Everything is ticketyboo at Ibrox, but despite the best efforts of two PR companies and a Director of Communication, the good news just isn’t getting out there?
Or
The shares have been hoovered up (remember that Charles agreed to sell his shares to the Easdales before the Nomad was changed) and if Real Rangers Men want to have control it’ll cost?
Or
Charles Green (who held proxy for the institutional investors) always intended to acquire shares @free/1p, agree the sale of shares at an agreed price, pick up £1m in wages/fees, arrange the change of nomad in order to pick the lock, sell the shares (profitable @+2p), retain a piece of Retail & security and disappear?
Or
A group of philanthropic investors have £70m to spare and are waiting in the wings to rescue this grand old club?
Or
Whilst everyone’s busy watching the show the cast are stealing the scenery
I know which option I’m betting on!!!!!!

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on8:43 am - Aug 31, 2013


“The Board, which is determined not to incur unnecessary cost for the Club, has therefore secured an extension to the written commitment from the Requisitioners to withdraw potentially the Requisition pending agreement as stated above. If no agreement is reached by the close of business on 30 August 2013, the Board will be required to send notice to shareholders to convene the General Meeting by no later than 5 September 2013.”
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Sorry if I missed it but was an agreement reached?.
Is the EGM going ahead?.
Is the AGM going ahead?.

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borussiabeefburgPosted on9:19 am - Aug 31, 2013


Quite an evening just gone once again, and the three main talking points appear to be:

1) Celtic’s financial situation;
2) Benefits which an Ibrox club bring to the leagues as they ascend to their ‘rightful’ position;
3) The piece by piece removal of CF’s tweets.

Regards, 1, I’ve always avoided the weighty financial stuff on here, as it is possibly beyond my understanding and I also regard much of it as (expert?) conjecture. Nonetheless, Celtic having progressed to the group stages of the CL for the last two years must be hugely beneficial to that club, and from a distance the board at Celtic Park appear to be very competent. That mischievous concerns be raised in the media re Celtic at a time when another supposed big hitter could be suffering major financial predicaments is the common ‘whataboutry’. We’ve come to expect such deflection from, say, prominent but outdated public image gurus, guys like Irvine perhaps. Has he been mentioned in a football context recently, I wonder?

Not a lot of money is made by lower league clubs visited by McCoist’s team: where new money has been obtained is via the dripping down of television cash. Rather than employ 10 stewards as normal, local clubs (East Stirlingshire and this season Stenhousemuir) have to pay for 70 stewards and 12 police, according to information I’ve been given. Money has also been spent on other security measures, all this extra expense on the advice of police. For advice read orders. Two stewards are employed with, believe it or not, fire fighting equipment such as extinguishers and sand buckets. In the aftermath of a match, there are further additional costs, and the hope is that the artificial surface is not damaged.

At the outset of Charlotte’s tweets, I promogulated (always wanted to use that, ta Jim Farry) that CF might be Izabella Andersson, certainly someone with a connection to Craig Whyte. For want of a better guess, I’ll stick with that. I don’t think the tweets have been removed maliciously, due to the manner and style of their disappearance. It’s been done for impact, as a show of power perhaps. In any case, all the stuff released will still be available: I’ve got all the early stuff, and I’m sure quite a few interested people have the whole lot. No doubt in my mind, however, that whoever CF is, he/she has strong connections to Whyte/Green/Ahmad, and the removal of these tweets has been carried through as a signal to some person or group. I also have little hesitation in saying Charlotte is no friend to the furtherance of the aims of SFMonitor.

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CarntynePosted on9:24 am - Aug 31, 2013


Oldcobrokemyheartbycheating says:
August 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Afraid not, actually a compliment to Mr Desmond. In my view billionaire’s of the world you could count on 1 hand. Everything’s tied up in deal’s etc. That’s not a criticism far from it, just the way I see it.
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Just the way you see it?

So…a wild guess then… 🙄

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Lord WobblyPosted on9:29 am - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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My question to the forum is would it not be a good thing for Scottish football for a cleaned up, calm board, financially viable Rangers to make their way through the leagues, distributing the money provided by away fans throughout that time?
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In an ideal world, Rangers would not have singlehandedly ruined Scottish football by embarking on their suicidal arms race in order to match Celtic’s European triumph and in an attempt to dominate Scottish football.

There’s nothing wrong with healthy competition and I’m sure everyone would have welcomed a legitimate challenge, but what we got was a scandalous, volatile and financially doomed club that paid the ultimate price.

And let us not forget that many Rangers fans would have been happy… nay… overjoyed… if other clubs had followed them into the abyss. Many still think that way.

Having entered Administration, we dip back into the ideal world where Rangers would have commenced the cleansing, the calming and financial salvaging from day one. Glossing over the preferred option of paying their creditors in full, a stripped down Rangers would have achieved a CVA, exited Administration and begun the task of rebuilding. And all of this would have been achieved without the need for the ABC* book of Rangers Rules (*Abandoned, Bent, Changed).

Back in reality, we have the less than shiny but oh so very new The Rangers whose very existence is built on the updated ABC book of The Rangers Rules. If acceptance is what you crave, start making demands of your club. Stop accepting the nonsense spouted by everyone from the boardroom, the manager, the media and those fans that want to perpetuate the WATP myth. And above all, don’t allow any of those mentioned above to attempt to blame others for the fate of Rangers or The Rangers current plight.

A cleansed, calm and financially viable The Rangers would be a welcome addition to Scottish football. When will the Club throw away the ABC book and begin the required transformation?

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Tif FinnPosted on9:43 am - Aug 31, 2013


It seems the bears are now looking forward to Dave King coming in as the new “sugar daddy”.

He has paid his £45m bill for tax fraud so everything is OK now.

No doubt the SFA will confirm he is a fit and proper person. The fact that he was a director of the old club that was liquidated owing tens of millions and that he admitted to an entirely separate £45m fraud shouldn’t really be a problem.

Murray, Whyte, Green, Easdale and King.

You couldn’t, as they so rightly say, make it up.

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on10:07 am - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 9:43 am
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Is DK not already on record stating that he inquired of the SFA as to his Fit and Proper status and been given clearance?

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davythelotionPosted on10:20 am - Aug 31, 2013


RM claiming that the Easdales are worth £100m, panic over!!!!! 🙄 🙄

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GiovanniPosted on10:45 am - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 9:43 am

It seems the bears are now looking forward to Dave King coming in as the new “sugar daddy”.

He has paid his £45m bill for tax fraud so everything is OK now.

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Has he actually paid it? My understanding is that he has agreed to pay circa £45m in taxes, fines etc or face a jail sentence. I’ve not seen it reported he’s actually paid.
I welcome a correction on the matter.

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tomtomPosted on10:45 am - Aug 31, 2013


davythelotion says:
August 31, 2013 at 10:20 am
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RM claiming that the Easdales are worth £100m, panic over!!!!!
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They could probably claim, with some justification, that their business empire has a headline market value of somewhere approaching this but how much do they owe out in leases/mortgages etc? In terms of how much cash they have available (disposable income to us poor people and in my opinion a real value of one’s wealth) they’d be lucky to be worth a fraction of that.

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Tif FinnPosted on10:58 am - Aug 31, 2013


nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 31, 2013 at 10:07 am

Fair point, subsequently admitting to fraud and agreeing to pay £45m shouldn’t really change whether he is a fit and proper person.

Not when the club is Rangers and it’s the SFA making the decision.

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tomtomPosted on11:05 am - Aug 31, 2013


Looks like Joe Public is being asked to pay for Charlie’s shares
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fairshoutPosted on11:11 am - Aug 31, 2013


Murray, Whyte, Green, Easdale and King.

“real Ranger’s men”?
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Carntyne says:
August 31, 2013 at 9:24 am
Oldcobrokemyheartbycheating says:
August 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Carntyne, with respect…… in my view, since i have been hooked on RTC & TSFM everyone has a viewpoint, it’s up to the individual to engage with said viewpoints of other posters. If they are talking pash then we ignore it, they will soon get the message and we have the mods to keep naughty boys & girls in line. I am also of the opinion that we should have more views from level headed gers fans.
while it’s always good to hear about the latest shenanigan’s from ibrokes, I feel it’s not really about them now. We must keep the pressure on the governing bodies of our game and on the media for not reporting the truth, because if this goes on unchecked nothing will change. Merely lip service will be paid to the rest of Scottish football. This can’t happen we need change and should continue to push for this.
Just saying like
TSFM………..can I suggest we incorporate a dictionary “promogulated” lol, not the first and certainly won’t be the last word I have had to look up. ha,ha but as I have said a few times, this blog certainly educates one, what oh old bhoy.
Now back to class!!

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whispererPosted on11:17 am - Aug 31, 2013


Ah reckon they’ll need all of The Easdales £100m & Dave Kings £45m … Just to wash their face ! !

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BroguesRoguesAndILikeThePoguesPosted on11:19 am - Aug 31, 2013


davythelotion says:
August 31, 2013 at 10:20 am
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RM claiming that the Easdales are worth £100m, panic over!!!!!
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Great! That makes them almost billionaires and just what sevco need.

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CastofThousandsPosted on11:19 am - Aug 31, 2013


Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm

“Tax dodging, cheating, shafting creditors, the farce of the admin and liquidation, walking away, tupe or not tupe…”
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The Bard himself would have been proud of those last six syllables.

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CastofThousandsPosted on11:21 am - Aug 31, 2013


Charlotte’s tent wasn’t pitched on the back green as has been the case for the last 5 months. Wonder if she’s been moved on or just upped sticks to hitch a ride?

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whispererPosted on11:23 am - Aug 31, 2013


Regards rises in bus fares … Seems to me if my arithmetic is correct … That it is The Students that are gonna be paying for this ?

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Tif FinnPosted on11:24 am - Aug 31, 2013


Giovanni says:
August 31, 2013 at 10:45 am

Fair point, I don’t know if he has actually paid it.

I can only apologise for the inaccuracy of my previous post. Can people please read it as “agreed to pay” rather than “paid”.

With regard the jail sentence, it is my understanding that relates to whether or not he pays the fine, as opposed to the tax bill. If two years in jail expunged the £44m bill I think most people would seriously consider doing the jail time instead.

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fairshoutPosted on11:24 am - Aug 31, 2013


whisperer says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:17 am
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Ah reckon they’ll need all of The Easdales £100m & Dave Kings £45m … Just to wash their face ! !

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don’t think it would clean it whisperer, thats alot of “dirty money” oop’s recycled i mean.

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helpmaboabPosted on11:30 am - Aug 31, 2013


So the Scottish FA consider Saturday a working day. I might just take a wee wander up and see who I can spot slaving over a hot desk. What’s the chances of seeing Doncaster,Regan et al? Probably none.Vincent Lunny?Yeah right.

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BroguesRoguesAndILikeThePoguesPosted on11:54 am - Aug 31, 2013


OT

can someone tell me how to change my avatar, as i’m fed up looking at The Hutt’s ugly mush whenever i log on?
thanks

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on11:58 am - Aug 31, 2013


Surely Mr King is in the same boat as Paul Murray.
He was also a director of the liquidated company and should therefore be banned,whether the SFA find him to be a “fit & proper person” or not.

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GiovanniPosted on11:59 am - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:24 am

If two years in jail expunged the £44m bill I think most people would seriously consider doing the jail time instead.

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That brought a smile to my face. A “salary” of £22m per annum (tax free) would seem tempting if I was able to serve my “time” in a Scottish open prison, but I wouldn’t fancy being a rich white guy in a South African prison. The various articles about the Pistorius case have highlighted conditions in these prisons.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on12:00 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Alan Rogers ‏@alanrogers11 4m

Celtic to earn guaranteed £16m from UEFA Champions League participation http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/237740-celtic-to-earn-guaranteed-16m-from-uefa-champions-league-participation/

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Just £18m to go and CFC are in the clear! :mrgreen:

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GiovanniPosted on12:17 pm - Aug 31, 2013


BroguesRoguesAndILikeThePogues says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:54 am

can someone tell me how to change my avatar, as i’m fed up looking at The Hutt’s ugly mush whenever i log on?
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Look at the bottom of the FAQ page.

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callumssonPosted on12:24 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Seemingly TRFC fans are not big fans of Jack Irvine…mmm… and if you were Jack and had dropped an unfortunate bollock and felt the need to endear yourself to those same people what might you do?…aid in the dissemination of some nonsense “whataboutery” about Celtic’s financials and take the credit?…not directly of course. How long before a sympathetic blog (McMurdo anyone?) is explaining that all that recent exposure was co-ordinated by none other than guess who. There are only 2 strategies to chose from when you want to ingratiate yourself to TRFC fans 1) WATP, No surrender, we don’t do walking away, back to where we belong, blah, blah, blah 2) attack Celtic.

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GiovanniPosted on12:33 pm - Aug 31, 2013


The Drum are still pursuing the Scottish Police wrt the investigation into CharlotteFakes. Are the police responsible for the “gag” on the lady. For the avoidance of doubt I’m not accusing the police of actually placing the gag on the person shown in the new photograph!

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/31/mystery-over-charlotte-fakes-rangers-coverage-deepens-tweets-and-documents-disappear

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DenPosted on12:46 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Oldcobrokemyheartbycheating says:

August 31, 2013 at 12:28 am
My worry is if we suppress this, will it be Klan like? Better to carry the debate to the other side, and shoot them down? Again only my opinion, and I value all the poster’s who have taken the time to defend’s Celtic’s account’s, just I’m open to debate I see that as healthy, and un-klan-like.
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I may have missed it but I have seen no suggestion that discussion of accounts is to be suppressed. Most people aren’t interested in discussing acccounts, many have reservations about feeding the trolls. For those and other reasons this topic does inspire a lot of people to post.

A wee bit pedantic but I did not consider that i was defending the Celtic accounts, I was corrrecting major errors of interpretation and erroneous conclusions. The Accounts are there for all to see and even the original poster did not suggest there was anything untoward in the preparation of them.

In the spirit of this forum i would be happy to comment on any Scottish Football club set of accounts.

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RyanGoslingPosted on12:54 pm - Aug 31, 2013


callumsson a third way would be to cut expenditure to less than income and cut out all the boardroom and PR crap so that people didn’t have to worry about it any more. I can’t speak for all fans but it would certainly ingratiate someone to me.

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neepheidPosted on1:00 pm - Aug 31, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 31, 2013 at 8:43 am

Sorry if I missed it but was an agreement reached?.
Is the EGM going ahead?.
Is the AGM going ahead?.
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This is the latest AIM announcement- Of course 30 August has come and gone, but still nothing more so far as I’m aware.

Wed, 28th Aug 2013 07:00
RNS Number : 5902M
Rangers Int. Football Club PLC
28 August 2013

28 August 2013

Rangers International Football Club plc

(“Rangers”, the “Company” or “Club”)

Further to requisition of general meeting

Further to the announcement on 22 August 2013, the Company confirms that the Board’s discussions have continued with representatives of the group who requisitioned (together the “Requisitioners”) a general meeting to consider the proposed resolutions (“Requisition”) detailed in the announcement on 2 August 2013 (“General Meeting”).

Progress has been made to agree a basis upon which the business of the General Meeting would be included in the Annual General Meeting. The Board wishes to reach agreement for the withdrawal of the Requisition without delay but is waiting for certain Requisitioners to authenticate details of their holdings pursuant to the Companies Act 2006 before being able to finalise the agreement.

The Board, which is determined not to incur unnecessary cost for the Club, has therefore secured an extension to the written commitment from the Requisitioners to withdraw potentially the Requisition pending agreement as stated above. If no agreement is reached by the close of business on 30 August 2013, the Board will be required to send notice to shareholders to convene the General Meeting by no later than 5 September 2013.

Further announcements will be made as appropriate.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:19 pm - Aug 31, 2013


helpmaboab says:
August 31, 2013 at 11:30 am

Don’t you think Saturday is a working day for football.

Funny enough I am watching the champions play Dundee Utd just now. As is the Scottish team coach. I’m guessing there are other games on in Scottish football today.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:29 pm - Aug 31, 2013


The Rangers support appear to be delighted that the CF twitted account and documents are being deleted.

One can only assume they don’t want to know what has been going on at their club and who has been stealing from them.

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lurchingfrompillartopostPosted on1:31 pm - Aug 31, 2013


I wonder how much the taxpayer will be supporting TRFC via Scottish Gov subsidising bus fares, especially if fares go up…

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Tif FinnPosted on1:37 pm - Aug 31, 2013


lurchingfrompillartopost says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:31 pm

Not at all I wouldn’t have thought. I don’t imagine the Easdale will be gifting money to the club.

I don’t imagine anyone will, well other than the fans in the next share issue.

However there’s every possibility it will be another new club they will be putting their money into.

As an aside and on the possibility of administration that people have been talking about. I don’t think the PLC actually owe anyone any money and if the club owe anyone money it will be the PLC they owe it to. So who would be moving to wind either up, causing them to go into administration. Or why would they do it themselves, what would it achieve.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:44 pm - Aug 31, 2013


On Celtic’s earning from the CL, given that the minimum amount so far will be c£16m and the fact that teams keep all of their home gate the minimum earnings from CL participation this year will be around c£22m.

However that assumes losing every game and not allowing for other income, for example matchday catering and other sales, increased merchandising sales etc.

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campsiejoePosted on1:48 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:19 pm

Typical Sevconian behaviour
They only believe what they want to hear, suits their agenda, and tells them how wonderful they are
Anything else is regarded as lies and blatant kicks

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callumssonPosted on1:49 pm - Aug 31, 2013


RyanGosling says:
August 31, 2013 at 12:54 pm
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callumsson a third way would be to cut expenditure to less than income and cut out all the boardroom and PR crap so that people didn’t have to worry about it any more. I can’t speak for all fans but it would certainly ingratiate someone to me.
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A fair point RG and I stand corrected. Unfortunately views like yours are as rare as a Jack Irvine apology. So let me rephrase it…”There are only 2 strategies to chose from when your Jack Irvine and you want to ingratiate yourself to the vast majority of TRFC fans…”

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lurchingfrompillartopostPosted on1:53 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn on August 31, 2013 at 1:37 pm

Was thinking more of a loan structure – the owners ‘loan’ the money and the supporters pay them or their companies back year after year. Like the MIH model that worked so well and which wasn’t propped up or circuitously supported in any way by special relationships with banks, media, etc.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:53 pm - Aug 31, 2013


I just had to lift this from follow follow, in relation to their hope that Dave King will be the next saviour riding in on the proverbial white charger. This is the post in it’s entirety.

“As you say – timing is everything. No legitimate busnessman could be tarred by association with the recent con-men & spivs. When that unwinds – as it appears to be unwinding – Mr. King can become more directly involced. As he promises.”

Clearly stealing £45m from the South African authorities does not preclude you from being a “legitimate businessman”, or make you a con-man. Neither does being a glib and shameless liar presumably.

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campsiejoePosted on1:53 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:37 pm

If RIFC put the club into Admin, they recover their loans by claiming possession of Ibrox/Auchenhowie
What’s not to like from the PLC’s point of view ?

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Tif FinnPosted on1:56 pm - Aug 31, 2013


lurchingfrompillartopost says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:53 pm

Money laundering you think, I suppose it’s entirely possible.

I’m still interested in how they paid for their shares from Green and where that was done.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:58 pm - Aug 31, 2013


campsiejoe says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:53 pm

Why not just transfer them in satisfaction of the loan though. They do control both boards.

Administration would mean a loss of points, and more importantly the thorny subject of how many points the penalty would be. Would it for example recognise a previous administration or treat them as a new club.

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campsiejoePosted on2:04 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:58 pm

To be honest, I don’t think the PLC give a damn about the club
As for your question, who knows, but it would cause the authorities a real problem

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lurchingfrompillartopostPosted on2:10 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn on August 31, 2013 at 1:56 pm

If it was a high profile Scottish institution, information like that would be transparently available through some public serving mechanism no doubt and the media spotlight would be focussed right on it, but it’s just a new club in the 3rd tier of Scottish Football still finding it’s financial feet. It may become clear when audited accounts are published.

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nostarsandbarredPosted on2:20 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 31, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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Yep, good point re Admin… its either 25 points for being the same club admin twice (or at least that was the penalty for Dundee I think ?) or its one third of the previous seasons tally (again I think this is the revised rule, so not a 10-15 point penalty) if its the 1st time, which is something pretty similar… either way, its very bad news. Unless, of course, there is the matter of discretion that can be applied somewhere deep in the rule book, as a “get-out” clause… but surely not this time ?

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upthehoopsPosted on4:25 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Chick Young on Sportsound is managing to unilaterally sum up everything that is bad about the Scottish media and their favouring of the club from Ibrox. A team with the second highest wage bill in Scotland surely does not deserve the number of ‘fantastic’, ‘incredible’ , ‘outstanding’ etc adjectives for beating part-time East Fife at home. It is both pathetic and nauseating in equal terms and makes an utter mockery of the man’s absurd claim to be a St Mirren fan.

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Bill1903Posted on5:35 pm - Aug 31, 2013


upthehoops says:
August 31, 2013 at 4:25 pm
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Chick Young on Sportsound is managing to unilaterally sum up everything that is bad about the Scottish media and their favouring of the club from Ibrox. A team with the second highest wage bill in Scotland surely does not deserve the number of ‘fantastic’, ‘incredible’ , ‘outstanding’ etc adjectives for beating part-time East Fife at home. It is both pathetic and nauseating in equal terms and makes an utter mockery of the man’s absurd claim to be a St Mirren fan.

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Now i normally laugh at Chic as hes such a dimwit but today he was irritating in the extreme!
I had to turn ‘open all mikes’ off because of the arse kissing he was doing.
And to thing the goons on FF and RM think the BBC has an agenda against them! 🙄

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BayviewGoldPosted on6:46 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Re Chick Young, I have to agree with him, my team, a team over a century old with multiple cup trophies were soundly beaten by a new club who played trialists due to their limited budget and precarious financial situation. I just hope the new guys don’t end up like rangers or airdrie or Gretna 😉

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BayviewGoldPosted on6:58 pm - Aug 31, 2013


For the avoidance of doubt my last post was ironic, on CF – on reflection I tend to agree with the theory that their job is now done – I think somewhere in Monaco a bank account has just had a deposit made, and a twitterer across the Atlantic will have fees paid

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BayviewGoldPosted on7:01 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Re payoff – when or if accounts are ever published for trfc it will be useful to look for unexplained seven or eight figure expenses for something like legal or consulting fees being paid out for this qtr,

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CarucalPosted on7:32 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Have Charlotte’s Twitter feed to 9 June if any interested.

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BayviewGoldPosted on7:34 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Tweet from Fife reporter today “Apologies for no updates today. Internet connection at rangers in the press box was non existent.” glad to see communications director Traynor is on top of the wifi situation.

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Reilly1926Posted on7:48 pm - Aug 31, 2013


If I was a dodgy business man wanting to launder my ill forgotten gains through a business that was in full scrutiny of the Scottish press but one that they’re afraid to report on I know which one I’d choose. :mrgreen:

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FIFAPosted on8:09 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Bay Viewgold
Who is this person Traynor you speak of ,we demand to know . :slamb:

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jimlarkinPosted on8:53 pm - Aug 31, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 31, 2013 at 12:00 pm
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Alan Rogers ‏@alanrogers11 4m

Celtic to earn guaranteed £16m from UEFA Champions League participation http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/237740-celtic-to-earn-guaranteed-16m-from-uefa-champions-league-participation/

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Just £18m to go and CFC are in the clear!

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Next year’s cash will o it then???!!!

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newtzPosted on9:00 pm - Aug 31, 2013


20th July 2013
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(1/2)
Charlotte Fakeovers@CharlotteFakes
Just in and note that my Scr bd account has been terminated. Jack
Irvine and Levy & McRae strike again. I will deal in the morning.
#Revenge
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(2/2)
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes
My account has been closed and as a result, all submissions
deleted. Truth should be acknowledged, never denied. Jack Irvine is a
coward.
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Account(s) continue ……
Aug 31 2013 ……. tweets deleted …. most links though still OK (for now) …. includes scribed and mgur

It appears to me that CF was able to fight off (appeal ?) the original order (?) ….. but original decision upheld … or that tweets deleted …..

If this is the case …. then CF has considerable resources available (legal) ….. what does that tell you !

Very strange that Profile picture changed ……… and No sign off tweet from CF …. very suspicious !
I was expecting a CF post on TSFM ….. even an ‘I;m Gagged’ post …. maybe early days …. for sure a lot happening in background ….
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31 Aug 2013
RM ….. Taken Out …… Revenge ?
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TallBoy PM

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newtzPosted on9:06 pm - Aug 31, 2013


PS …. somebody asked the question about having all CF tweets logged ……
I have complete site logged from late July to start including TSFM posts (just in-case like)

I have most docs …….. But criticallty Not the Irvine email regarding SARS (june 9th)….. anyone got it ?
PM me

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ecobhoyPosted on9:07 pm - Aug 31, 2013


31 Aug 2013
RM ….. Taken Out …… Revenge ?
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Surely a humanitarian act ❓

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newtzPosted on9:13 pm - Aug 31, 2013


@eco

😀 … 😛

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CarucalPosted on9:25 pm - Aug 31, 2013


newtz says:
August 31, 2013 at 9:06 pm
re Irvine and SARS email
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Around this time I was downloading all, I hope, of CF’s linkable material but I can’t find an email referencing SARS. Excuse my ignorance but what is SARS? With extra info I’ll look again.

Also have CF’s Tweets from about 15 May until about 1355 on 9 June available as a pdf file.

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tomtomPosted on9:26 pm - Aug 31, 2013


In any other country the attempt to silence a whistleblower would be highlighted in the press.

In Scotland it will be used as an excuse to stay clear of the subject matter.

Sickens you really

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newtzPosted on9:39 pm - Aug 31, 2013


Carucal says: August 31, 2013 at 9:25 pm
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Sorry 8th June tweet …

Charlotte Fakeovers@CharlotteFakes
Then again Jack, you aren’t so private yourself. Bribes and
blackmail seem to be a running feature. i.imgur.com/I3vS2OO.jpg
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Need io get ……. Jack knows why !

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