Past the Event Horizon

ByBig Pink

Past the Event Horizon

On the Old Club vs New Club (OCNC) debate, the SFA’s silence has been arguably the most damaging factor with respect to the future of the game. Of course people get frustrated when there is a deliberate policy of silence on the part of the SFA which results in the endless cycle of arguments being trotted out again and again with no resolution or closure possible.

The irony (it’s only irony if you assume that the SFA have gone to great lengths to create the conditions for the unbroken history status of the new club) is that the mealy-mouthed attitude they have adopted has actually polarised opinion in a far more serious and irreconcilable way than had they just made a clear statement when Sevco were handed SFA membership. A bit of leadership, with a decision either way at that time would have spiked a lot of OCNC guns very early on, but as history shows, they were afraid of a backlash from wherever it came.

I am now convinced that Scottish Football has passed the Event Horizon and is broken beyond the possibility of any repair that might have taken it back to its pre-2010 condition. Rangers fans will never – no matter what any eventual pronouncement from Hampden may be – accept that their next trophy will be their first. The trouble is that no-one else – again despite anything from Hampden – will cast them as anything else other than a new club who were given a free passage into the higher echelons of the game. Furthermore, they will forever force that down the throats of Rangers fans whenever and wherever they play. A recipe for discord, threats of violence, actual violence, and a general ramping up of the sectarian gas that we had all hoped, only a year or so ago, was to be set to an all-time low peep.

There is a saying in politics that we get the government we deserve. It works both ways though, and the SFA will get the audience it deserves. In actual fact it is the one it has actively sought over the last couple of years, for they have tacitly (and even perhaps explicitly) admitted that Scottish Football is a dish best served garnished with sectarianism. They have effectively told us that without it, the game cannot flourish, and they stick to that fallacy even although the empirical evidence of the past year indicates otherwise.

That belief is an intellectual black-hole they have now thrust the game into. They have effectively said that only two clubs actually matter in Scottish football. The crazy thing is that to put their plans into action they have successfully persuaded enough of the other clubs to jump into the chasm and hence vote themselves into irrelevance and permanent semi-obscurity.

That belief is also shared by the majority in the MSM, who despite their lofty, self-righteous and ostensibly anti-sectarian stance, have done everything they can to stir the hornet’s nest in the interests of greater sales.
Act as an unpaid wing of a PR company, check nothing, ask nothing, help to create unrest, and then tut-tut away indignantly like Monty Python Pepperpots when people take them to task.

Consequently the victims of all the wrongdoing (creditors and clubs) walk away without any redress or compensation for the loss of income and opportunity (and history) – stripped of any pride and dignity since they do so in the full knowledge of what has happened. But even as they wipe away the sand kicked in their faces, those clubs still insist on the loyalty of their own fanbases, the same fans whose trust they have betrayed with their meek acceptance of the new, old order.

The kinder interpretation of the impotence of the clubs is that they want to avoid the hassle and move on, the more cynical view that they are interested only in money, not people. In either case, sporting integrity, in the words of Lord Traynor of Winhall (Airdrie, not Vermont), is “crap”.

The question is; which constituency of 21st century Scotland subscribes to that 17th century paradigm?
Sadly, this massive hoax, this gigantic insult to our collective intelligence, is working. Many will leave the game – many already have in view of the spineless absence of intervention from their own clubs – but many, many more will stay and support the charade.

If you doubt my prediction, ask yourself how many tickets will be unsold the first time the New Rangers play Celtic at Parkhead? That my friends will be final imprimatur of authenticity on just exactly who New Rangers are, no matter the proclamations of both sides of the OCNC argument.

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Big Pink is John Cole; a former schoolteacher based in the West of Scotland, He is also a print and broadcast journalist who is engaged in the running of SFM . Former gigs include Newstalk 106, the Celtic View, and Channel67. A Celtic fan, he is also the voice of our podcast initiative.

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erniePosted on5:44 pm - Dec 16, 2013


helpmaboab says: (250)
December 16, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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BBC Newsdrive -The former Celtic player Paul McGowan has pleaded guilty to assaulting two police officers.
Why is it not reported firstly that he is a St Mirren player? McGowan who made his debut in 2007 failed to make any impact and has been with Morton,Hamilton on loan since 2007 and eventually signed for The Buddies.The Celtic connection is tenuous to say the least.
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He’s an ex celtic in the same way as the current Aberdeen Manager (for example) is an ex ranger. It’s another pathetic trait of our glorious SMSM. In their eyes only two teams count, as was actually used as an advert/BBC strap line prior to a 2011/12 Old Firm game.

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ShooperbPosted on5:45 pm - Dec 16, 2013


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BBC Newsdrive -The former Celtic player Paul McGowan has pleaded guilty to assaulting two police officers.
Why is it not reported firstly that he is a St Mirren player? McGowan who made his debut in 2007 failed to make any impact and has been with Morton,Hamilton on loan since 2007 and eventually signed for The Buddies.The Celtic connection is tenuous to say the least.

To be fair, the story on the BBC website makes no mention of Celtic until the final few paragraphs when it summarises his career. Amusingly, I note that one of the policeman Paul McGowan tried to assault goes by the name ‘Tony Fitzpatrick’ – no respect for history, that Paul McGowan! 😀

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AuldheidPosted on5:52 pm - Dec 16, 2013


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Auldheid says: (1098)
December 16, 2013 at 12:43 pm

and Sevco were refused one for 3 years as a club with less than 3 years membership of the SFA under Article 12

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now, the recent ASA ruling stated that the SFA had confirmed Sevco had received the SAME membership from RFC and therefore had CONTINUING membership

if that is what the SFA really believe – and appear to have confirmed publicly to the ASA, then we may well have an interesting summer should Sevco “qualify” via the Scottish Cup this year.

interesting times indeed.

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You can be sure that the SFA will do all it can to award a UEFA license if sevco win the scottish cup

So continuous membership – 2 separate entities (you need that at least to transfer anything)

How does that work exactly, one is the club one wants to be the club

So who played Brechin on 29/07/12 under the mysterious “conditional Membership”

Continuous must mean something else in that alternate reality
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The SFA might want to put forward an application, but UEFA will not be keen on the aims of Article 12 being undermined because they never envisaged a club dodging social tax debt in the manner (not just evasion but simply not passing on tax collected ) and possibly, in terms of the full total, to the degree if HMRC win the UTT, being a contender via a national cup competition.

If it happens it is where the sporting integrity in financial fair play terms argument meets the sporting merit on the field of play one.

Ironically in the potential circumstances the break even requirement is put aside but if it were to be used the wage to turnover ration (92%) would give UEFA reason to say no before an application was made.

In any case by then UEFA will have a good idea of SFA motivation with regard to licensing Rangers and how poorly it was done last time in 2011.

Here is more detail on the process from a previous post.

In an earlier post you raised the possibility of the SFA bricking it if RIFC were to win the SC or be runners up to Scottish title winners.

They would indeed as would UEFA, as it would require UEFA to make a decision on whether Article 12 should be put aside and on the SFA to ask UEFA, because of the process that Article 15 sets in train, to make that decision.

Art 12 in simplistic terms requires a club to have been members of a national association for three years before it can be granted a licence to play in a UEFA competition. It is the failure to meet this requirement that stops RIFCs being able to qualify on sporting merit grounds until 3 years after 3 August 2012 (or thereabouts). It is there to stop a club shedding its debt and carrying on as before and to protect the integrity of UEFA competition.

However Article 15 opens the door to the unwanted dilemma. Should sporting merit take precedence over sporting integrity?
The Art 15 rule is obviously designed to allow a club not in the top tier and so not subject to UEFA licensing standards, who have won a national trophy, to be granted a UEFA licence for that year.
It does not envisage the sort of situation that Scottish football has risked creating where a club is removed from the top tier because it was liquidated, but allowed to return at a lower tier as if it were not.
I hope RIFC are runners up in the SC to the title winners this season.
I also hope any future RIFC budgeting estimate assumptions are checked with UEFA and SFA beforehand lest UEFA say “three years wait mate – Art 12 rules OK”

Art 15
1 If a club qualifies for a UEFA club competition on sporting merit but has not undergone any licensing process at all or has undergone a licensing process which is lesser/not equivalent to the one applicable for top division clubs, because it belongs to a division other than the top division, the UEFA member association of the club concerned may – on behalf of such a club – request an extraordinary application of the club licensing system in accordance with Annex IV.
2 Based on such an extraordinary application, UEFA may grant special permission to the club to enter the corresponding UEFA club competition subject to the relevant UEFA club competition regulations. Such an extraordinary application applies only to the specific club and for the season in question.

Annex IV says

ANNEX IV: Extraordinary application of the club licensing system
1. The UEFA administration defines the necessary deadlines and the minimum criteria for the extraordinary application of the club licensing system as specified in Article 15(1) and communicates them to the UEFA member associations at the latest by 31 August of the year preceding the licence season.
2. UEFA member associations must notify the UEFA administration of such extraordinary application requests in writing and stating the name of the club concerned by the deadline communicated by the UEFA administration.
3. The UEFA member associations are responsible for submitting the criteria to the club concerned for the assessment for the extraordinary procedure at national level. They must also take immediate action with the club concerned to prepare for the extraordinary procedure.
4. The club concerned must provide the necessary documentary proof to the licensor that will assess the club against the fixed minimum standards and forward the following documentation in one of the UEFA official languages to the UEFA administration by the deadline communicated by the latter:
a) a written request to apply for special permission to enter the corresponding UEFA club competition;
b) a recommendation by the licensor based on its assessment (including the dates and names of the persons having assessed the club);
c) all documentary evidence provided by the club and the licensor as requested by the UEFA administration;
d) any other documents requested by the UEFA administration during the extraordinary procedure.

5. The UEFA administration bases its decision on the documentation received and grants special permission to enter the UEFA club competitions if all the set criteria are fulfilled and if the club ultimately qualifies on sporting merit. The decision will be communicated to the UEFA member association, which has to forward it to the club concerned.

6. If such a club is eliminated on sporting merit during this extraordinary procedure, the UEFA member association concerned has to notify the UEFA administration immediately, and this procedure is immediately terminated, without further decision. Such a terminated procedure cannot be restarted at a later stage.

7. Appeals can be lodged against decisions made by the UEFA administration in writing before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in accordance with the relevant provisions laid down in the UEFA Statutes.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on5:53 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Shooperb says: (333)
December 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm

Can’t agree with that. The only reason the clubs did the right thing was because of fan power pure and simple. They would have been quite happy to continue with ‘a Rangers’ in the SPL in any form, lest they lost the crumbs that would get from the TV deal etc.
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The impression I got was that the SPL clubs were delighted to bow to fan pressure because it gave them cover to do what they wanted to do – payback for years of cheating and favouritism. The actual demos and threats to the SPL clubs by fans were not overwhelming and could have been talked down if the clubs had wanted to vote otherwise – witness the recent Living Wage resolution at the Celtic AGM. Remember the SPL vote was ten against, one abstention and one for – RFC voting for Sevco. So even the RFC leaning clubs voted against them. The SFL clubs were bullied by the SFA and SPL and SMSM as you say – but not by the SPL clubs who had got what they wanted.

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tilhotdogsbarkPosted on5:56 pm - Dec 16, 2013


ekt1m says: (96)
December 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Keevins has been on a concerted offensive against all things Celtic recently. He has been openly critical of their Board, their Chief Executive, their Manager, their culture, their business strategy, their transfer dealings, their fans and has highlighted every failure with apparent glee. He seemingly manages to incorporate a negative comment on Celtic in every piece he writes regardless of the subject matter. In fact he appears to have adopted a “fundamentalist” attitude when faced with commenting or reporting on this particular club.

I would suggest that Mr Keevins will have some other matters to explain before he would receive a welcome at Celtic Park.

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AuldheidPosted on6:08 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Just spotted one thing from the Annex above.

” 5. The UEFA administration bases its decision on the documentation received and grants special permission to enter the UEFA club competitions if all the set criteria are fulfilled and if the club ultimately qualifies on sporting merit. The decision will be communicated to the UEFA member association, which has to forward it to the club concerned”

UEFA would have to be viewing RIFC as a new club if they did grant a licence because if they were viewing them as the same club, then an application would fail because of the overdue tax BDO were trying to recover.

Oh what a Tangoed web we weave. 😈

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ForresDeePosted on6:22 pm - Dec 16, 2013


If you thought the SFA were bad:

Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri 32m
JUST IN: Real Madrid and Barcelona among 7 spanish clubs investigated by European Commission for illegal state aid

Wonder if the rumours that the spanish courts ordered the destruction of all those blood samples, to protect various spanish tennis players and world cup winners are also true!

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upthehoopsPosted on6:29 pm - Dec 16, 2013


ForresDee says: (140)
December 16, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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Will we ever find out exactly what ‘state aid’ the club from Ibrox received?

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on6:34 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Re if Sevco may get a Uefa place .
All I can say ,without any doubt ,Sandy Bryson and his cohorts at the SFA will find some obscure reference or clause in their pathetic fool book to actually have the brass neck to apply for one for the tribute act .
Mark my words it will be done

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ForresDeePosted on6:37 pm - Dec 16, 2013


upthehoops says: (728)
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ForresDee says: (140)
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Will we ever find out exactly what ‘state aid’ the club from Ibrox received?

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In the fullness of time, when all the main players have gone or beyond any time bar for prosecution it may appear in someones memoirs. But, I’d rather someone squealed now and turned Queen’s Evidence to save their own skin. 😛

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m.c.f.c.Posted on6:47 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Where are The Trolls . . .

. . . . when you want to ask them an obvious question – such as – how will the current board’s 3 year business plan achieve CL more effectively than the Gang of Four’s 3 year business plan.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on6:56 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Brian Stockbridge replaced as CFO at RIFC plc . . . .

. . . by Leonard Cohen who gave this up beat financial summary at the AGM:

And there are no letters in the mailbox
And there are no grapes upon the vine,
And there are no chocolates in the boxes anymore,
And there are no diamonds in the mine.

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scottcPosted on6:56 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Sugar Daddy says: (153)
December 16, 2013 at 5:43 pm

I’m in the “damp squib AGM” camp.

I concur. Where I think we shall get a great deal of enjoyment though is in the post-AGM reaction; when all the fan-shareholders, having turned up in droves to hold their hands up and ‘defeat the evil board’ only to be all but ignored as the board carries the day. Then they will take to FF and RM etc and vent their spleens. I think we might get a little amusement there. 🙂

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LUGOSI99Posted on7:04 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Super Salary truly is one of The People.
What next?
Letting The People see a copy of his bank statement?
Letting The People smell the steam off his next turd? Not the steam itself, you understand, nor the turd itself; just the smell.

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chancer67Posted on7:21 pm - Dec 16, 2013


If the team that plays at Ibrox do manage to qualify for the SC I’m sure that the team that loses out can use the precedent that stopped Derry City getting into Europe a couple of years ago.
Another teaser that I’ve been trying to solve is,if Sevco are indeed a continuation of RFC then why didn’t they compete in the 2012/13 champions league qualifiers,have the SFA categorically stated why this didn’t happen,perhaps any Well fans on the forum could ask Motherwell what they were told when they replaced Sevco in the 2012/13 qualifiers,because if we are to believe the recent ASA adjudication then the SFA have done the bears out of champions league glory and all the riches that brings.

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nawlitePosted on7:34 pm - Dec 16, 2013


chancer67 says: (108)

December 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm

That’s one of the many obvious questions the answer to which will clearly demonstrate that they are a new club (I can’t see any other reason), but unfortunately no one is willing to ask it or answer it. That’s why the SFA bunker was built.

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EKBhoyPosted on7:35 pm - Dec 16, 2013


ernie says: (26)
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BBC Newsdrive -The former Celtic player Paul McGowan has pleaded guilty to assaulting two police officers.
Why is it not reported firstly that he is a St Mirren player? McGowan who made his debut in 2007 failed to make any impact and has been with Morton,Hamilton on loan since 2007 and eventually signed for The Buddies.The Celtic connection is tenuous to say the least.
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He’s an ex celtic in the same way as the current Aberdeen Manager (for example) is an ex ranger. It’s another pathetic trait of our glorious SMSM. In their eyes only two teams count, as was actually used as an advert/BBC strap line prior to a 2011/12 Old Firm game.
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When the young Rangers goalkeeper was arrested outside the Corithinians recounting the battles of the 17th century in choral manner, he was gleefully reported as an Old Firm player . So McGowan being ex-Celtic is perfectly understandable ….. Hilarious in fact.

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justshateredPosted on7:45 pm - Dec 16, 2013


m.c.f.c. says: (33)

With regards to your earlier post of all other clubs standing back and watching ‘The Rangers’ implode again because they know that their business model (titter yee not, nay nay and thrice nay!) is unsustainable while the SFA do all in their power to keep the ship afloat then unfortunately I don’t buy it.
That would actually take conspiracy theory to a new level.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to think that somewhere a meeting took place where most clubs agreed a strategy and Turnbull Hutton volunteered to appear as an individual voice of sanity.
I think the main driver has been complete and utter cowardice by men trusted to run certainly the top teams in Scotland. They were as scared as Campbell Ogilvie on a good night out. They issued statements on how they would vote only when it became abundant clear that the fans were not going to renew their season tickets. They misjudged their customers by a long, long way and even now, when it is clear they can survive without ‘The Rangers’, they refuse to use their new found power to call for far reaching, fundamental changes to the SFA.
Our sport teeters on the brink, while the three men who would have driven us all over the cliff, remain in situ. That is the thing most fans find unpalatable.
For our clubs to cower against a backdrop of intimidation and threat is a nonsense in the 21st century. The clubs should simply have issued a statement saying they had no confidence in the SFA to govern our sport in an independent manner. The gang of three should have been shown the door. Mr Bryson should have simply been sacked for gross misconduct and an investigation launched into why he gave the evidence that he did to the LNS enquiry. Another investigation should be launched into the terms of reference of the LNS enquiry and why certain statements were made in their summary completely outwith their remit. Oh and while I’m about it, Vincent Lunny should also be sacked for not being up to the job in hand. He seems to have allowed himself to be side lined and manipulated by people in authority within the SFA.

The big issue that will have to be faced is what happens if ‘The Rangers’ project is derailed again?
Will anyone have the testicular fortitude to stand up and say enough is enough?
On evidence presented so far I doubt it.
Would they be placed in the lowest wrung of Scottish football and by that I mean NOT in the top four leagues?
Will the men that granted ‘The Rangers’ free passage into the league, against all regular rules, be shown the door?
I don’t think so. It will be business as usual at Hampden with the leeches continuing to suck the life blood from our sport.
It was time to clean house, even as late as this summer, when dear old Campbell was re-elected unopposed. That opportunity has been missed indeed the only way that the prospect could occur again is with another financial catastrophe down Govan way.
As it stands, the worse our game gets the stronger the incompetents become.

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chancer67Posted on7:57 pm - Dec 16, 2013


I asked S Regan on Twitter the other day why did he cheat honest clubs and fans out of the chance to play in Europe in 2011/12 by granting RFC(il) a license , I also asked him why did D Broadfoot tell me in a telephone conversation that the wee tax case hadn’t crystallised ,when quite clearly the work done by Auldheid showed otherwise,it must’ve riled him because he blocked me immediately.

This is what we are up against and the only solution is some kind of show of solidarity between fans of all clubs affected by this corruption.Im certain that a campaign could be organised to take the SFA on and show the world what a corrupt wee country we live in.
What better opportunity than next year when the last thing that politicians want with the Independance vote and the commonwealth games is the stench of institutional corruption taking centre stage. The time for talking must be replaced with positive action,because quite frankly we are fighting a no win battle with the incumbents at Hampden and the rotten MSM we have in our corrupt wee country.

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EKBhoyPosted on8:02 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Just heard the ally has given his votes to the EK Rangers Supporters , so that means it’s 50 / 50 whether they support the rebels!

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:08 pm - Dec 16, 2013


justshattered
Great post and to think JIs troll based all his utterances on a part of the SFA fool book that allowed the SFA free reign to distort and disregard every other rule in the fool book at their discretion .The fact he never realised that this was exactly why we contribute to this very blog speaks volumes .
I expected everything Sevco 2012 have done to attempt to legitimise their clubs existence what I did not expect was the OUTRAGOUS lengths the peepil running our game would go to in abetting them .
If Sevco 2012 get anywhere near the SC final be prepared for the mother of all onslaughts in ALL media forums that they are the same club as the SFA have prostituted themselves too much already not to find a way to put Sevco forward for a place

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taxman comethPosted on8:15 pm - Dec 16, 2013


chancer67 says: (109)
December 16, 2013 at 7:57 pm
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I asked S Regan on Twitter the other day why did he cheat honest clubs and fans out of the chance to play in Europe in 2011/12 by granting RFC(il) a license , I also asked him why did D Broadfoot tell me in a telephone conversation that the wee tax case hadn’t crystallised ,when quite clearly the work done by Auldheid showed otherwise,it must’ve riled him because he blocked me immediately.

This is what we are up against and the only solution is some kind of show of solidarity between fans of all clubs affected by this corruption.Im certain that a campaign could be organised to take the SFA on and show the world what a corrupt wee country we live in.
What better opportunity than next year when the last thing that politicians want with the Independance vote and the commonwealth games is the stench of institutional corruption taking centre stage. The time for talking must be replaced with positive action,because quite frankly we are fighting a no win battle with the incumbents at Hampden and the rotten MSM we have in our corrupt wee country.

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AFAIK that twitter account is fake

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chancer67Posted on8:23 pm - Dec 16, 2013


taxman cometh says
I’m pretty certain it’s not a fake.

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essexbeancounterPosted on8:45 pm - Dec 16, 2013


jimlarkin says: (698)

December 16, 2013 at 12:10 pm
No doubt Mr Patey is eminently qualified, but is he the only accountant in Scotland with an opinion on the Sevcoshambles?

Or is he the only accountant in Scotland with an opinion which smooths the hacks furrowed brow?

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Errrrr, well, errrr, there is another qualified accountant they could ask

His name . . . Paul Murray !
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JL…how long have you got….?…LOL

I know a few eminent practitioners in my native Glasgow who are more than well qualified to comment, but bearing in mind the “dog whistler” mentality in this area, their tongues are “super glued” between their teeth!

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upthehoopsPosted on8:52 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Re the forthcoming AGM at Ibrox. how much difference will it really make in the great scheme of things? if the current board win they will continue to do as they please and the rules will not be properly applied to them. Should an insolvency event occur the rules will be bent to ensure it’s as if nothing has changed.

If the requisitioners win they will, in my opinion, be allowed even more leeway than the current board to do as they please and the rules will not be properly applied to them. The only difference is they will be portrayed in the media as honourable, honest, dignified men of a real Ibrox vintage, born to show leadership to the rest of Scottish Football.

No matter what happens every other club in Scotland will continue to be cheated – every minute, of every hour, of every day.

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essexbeancounterPosted on8:58 pm - Dec 16, 2013


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Brian Stockbridge replaced as CFO at RIFC plc . . . .

. . . by Leonard Cohen who gave this up beat financial summary at the AGM:

And there are no letters in the mailbox
And there are no grapes upon the vine,
And there are no chocolates in the boxes anymore,
And there are no diamonds in the mine.
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m.c.f.c. ….I gave you a TU for your dry quote from the octogenarian Cohen, but please please no more from Cohen ( the Canadian performer, not the BDO liquidator…!)…after all, ’tis the season to be jolly, and certainly not with Lenny around…and we have had this before on this glorious blog!

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John ClarkPosted on9:10 pm - Dec 16, 2013


scottc says: (383)
December 16, 2013 at 7:36 am
‘…I think it is the Tom Farmery piece, John..’
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Thanks, scottc. Obliged.

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John ClarkPosted on9:19 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Den says: (21)
December 16, 2013 at 10:21 am
‘…I am calm now, just hope nobody brings up Duff and Phelps..’
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I rather hope that somebody sends them down!

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FisianiPosted on9:35 pm - Dec 16, 2013


The spivs will win the AGM, then eventually transfer the physical assets such as Ibrokes to another company (RIFC) then appeal to the fans to cough up season ticket money or they will sell it off or the ‘club’ will die. Emotional ransom will be used to squeeze a few more million from the mugs to the spivs.
It is corporate asset stripping by the book.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on9:40 pm - Dec 16, 2013


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m.c.f.c. says: (33)

With regards to your earlier post of all other clubs standing back and watching ‘The Rangers’ implode again because they know that their business model (titter yee not, nay nay and thrice nay!) is unsustainable while the SFA do all in their power to keep the ship afloat then unfortunately I don’t buy it.
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I think we agree on most things. I was just wondering why Lawwell and other shrewd, smart, confident guys would keep schtum through all that has happened. The only reasonable explanation to me is not craven cowardice – but cool, calm, calculation of probable outcomes. Taking a three year horizon they probably see TRFC as a spent force, CO out of the picture along with several of his mates. So why make yourself a target in the meantime to no great effect. I mean look at the fuss over a single cheeky comment.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on9:45 pm - Dec 16, 2013


essexbeancounter says: (337)
December 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm

m.c.f.c. ….I gave you a TU for your dry quote from the octogenarian Cohen, but please please no more from Cohen ( the Canadian performer, not the BDO liquidator…!)…after all, ’tis the season to be jolly, and certainly not with Lenny around…and we have had this before on this glorious blog!

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Deal 🙂

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Galling fiverPosted on9:48 pm - Dec 16, 2013


With the bad weather on the way, and poundlands fragile condition, talk of SC finals Euro licenses and 3yr plans are premature to say the least. If they are still here on Friday, someone has a stoater of a 7 month plan. Who knows maybe Brendan Rodgers, Malky McKay, Paul lambert, will pay over the odds for one of their dumplins. Times really are changing.

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John ClarkPosted on10:13 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Smugas says: (634)
December 16, 2013 at 11:50 am
‘…I can see this now. I’m not afraid to say this now. Others regrettably appear less prepared to report it how it is..’
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And there’s the pity of it.
The situation is as it is, but ears are firmly stopped and eyes squeezed tight shut even now.

If the financial aspects of SDM’s stewardship of RFC had been seriously looked at and questioned by the Press when such examination first became possible on the club’s becoming a plc and, more importantly, by the SFA ( wonder why not?) , the utter absurdity of SDM’s magalomaniacal actions would have become apparent.
The Bank and MIH directors would have been prompted to take action to try to prevent the train crash by getting into a siding to effect a complete overhaul.

Administration might not have been avoided , but at least there would likely have been a realistic possibility of a successful CVA , from which the club could perhaps have emerged legally, as others have since done.

Unhappily for fans of RFC ( still languishing in Liquidation), the protective connection between the SFA and the club turned out to be fatal, because it rendered proper supervision of the club’s conduct under both the Law of the land and the rules of the SFA and SPL morally impossible.
The club died from an excess of protective love which put ‘loyalty’ above Truth and Integrity.
Its killers remain in office, or in their hack jobs.

The Football Authorities continue to deny their crime of partisan dereliction of duty, and their subsequent crimes, in the vain hope that the mere passage of time will erase them from popular memory.

And the Press do little more than they ever did-print general PR puffs about the’ need’ for a competitive league, avoid taking Ally McCoist’s patent duplicity and absurdities to task,and refer incessantly to an ‘old firm’, while they wait to see the outcome of the AGM before they hail the new ‘saviours’, almost as gullibly as will the Pavlov-dog-like season-book purchasers in due course.

As others on the blog have said, there was a great football story and a great business story there that a former generation of sports writers would not have passed up.

Happily, thanks to RTC and TSFM and their contributors , all of us have a very good, if not quite complete, understanding of all that has transpired.

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justshateredPosted on10:17 pm - Dec 16, 2013


m.c.f.c. says: (35)
December 16, 2013 at 9:40 pm

I understand what you are saying but I find it strange that all these shrewd, smart, confident guys would look at all of the aspects of this debacle and all come to the same conclusions AND more importantly adopt EXACTLY the same strategy without meeting up and agreeing that strategy.
That, in my mind, stretches credibility beyond breaking point.

While these guys don’t want to make themselves targets they also have a responsibility to their own businesses. There is no point keeping quiet for three years if, in that time, your own business loses so many customers that you yourself are insolvent. Again, in my mind, you are simply confirming the armegeddon predictions of Regan and Doncaster which in turn will allow them to breath life into yet another version of the Govan club and so the cycle will begin all over again with everyone getting weaker because fans become so disillusioned the game withers on the vine.

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FisianiPosted on10:22 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Tottenham apparently want Super Ally to be their new manager.
If anyone believes this then they are a mug.

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SpikePosted on10:51 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Hey…….I’m an Old RTC’er…………

I was listening to SSB tonight (ye…ye….) and it got me thinkin, all this msm hullabaloo about super ally and his ‘decision’ ,and it made me think, call me optimistic(or a ravin lunatic)..if you like, but what IF???

Easdale walks into tne agm on Thursday(with 29.4 – 54.0 proxy) with a pair of brown brouge’s on, and vote’s accordingly

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m.c.f.c.Posted on10:59 pm - Dec 16, 2013


justshatered says: (274)
December 16, 2013 at 10:17 pm

I understand what you are saying but I find it strange that all these shrewd, smart, confident guys would look at all of the aspects of this debacle and all come to the same conclusions AND more importantly adopt EXACTLY the same strategy without meeting up and agreeing that strategy.
That, in my mind, stretches credibility beyond breaking point.

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Don,t want to split hairs, ibut to me it,s a matter of selecting between available choices. As much as Lawwell and others might want rid of CO and co, he probably judged it wasn,t a practical course of action for his business. I,m assuming all chairmen act in careful consideration of the long term good of their club. I personally doubt many SPL chairmen would have confided in others on a strategy so they each made their choices from the limited options independently. I suppose the choices were so polarised that anyone unwilling to risk the whole club on fighting SFA corruption would choose the wait and see approach.

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Galling fiverPosted on11:15 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Spike , that’s a point, what would change, two guys who have been on the board already, the two Murray’s are just more spivs really, with no money. SE/JE would be the virtual head of house on either side. Trumpet victory, fleece bears. No change.

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buddy_hollyPosted on11:32 pm - Dec 16, 2013


I also think it will be an overall damp squid AGM, lots of shouting from the AGM floor but Current RIFC board stays i place.

The rebels do not get on.

But then the last two resolutions on issueing share and if i read it correct a rights issue.

Would I be right to assume the RIFC board which proposed this is now not the RIFC board pre-aGM.

But the Somers/Wallace/Crighton/Stockbridge/Easdale (J)/Easdale(S) will still want the last two resolutions on issueing share and if i read it correct a rights issue PASSED.

Or will their proxys not allow their shareholdings to be diluted. IE if you own 10% and 1/3 more shares are issued, you now own 6.6 %

Unless a new scam is afoot.

All views appreciated by those who understand the last two resolution better.

Scottish Football needs a Strong Scottish Football Association.

Buddy

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SpikePosted on11:34 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Would be a real twist to a :slamb: story though eh ?
Hope he ‘Throws It’…….for God’s sake..the man is a convicted criminal, we’re allowed to say that!!! It’s public record

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MercDocPosted on11:49 pm - Dec 16, 2013


Donald Findlay speaks out against the injustice, its just not the way to run this Dignified club that cannot die and belongs to its supporters, who really don’t own it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25409741
That’s some pipe!

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SpikePosted on11:52 pm - Dec 16, 2013


MercDoc says: (12)

December 16, 2013 at 11:49 pm

And IT begins…here come the brouge’s

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AuldheidPosted on12:47 am - Dec 17, 2013


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If the team that plays at Ibrox do manage to qualify for the SC I’m sure that the team that loses out can use the precedent that stopped Derry City getting into Europe a couple of years ago.
Another teaser that I’ve been trying to solve is,if Sevco are indeed a continuation of RFC then why didn’t they compete in the 2012/13 champions league qualifiers,have the SFA categorically stated why this didn’t happen,perhaps any Well fans on the forum could ask Motherwell what they were told when they replaced Sevco in the 2012/13 qualifiers,because if we are to believe the recent ASA adjudication then the SFA have done the bears out of champions league glory and all the riches that brings.
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The fact is that Rangers were not granted a UEFA licence in 2012 for Europa League because they could not produce the ONE years previous annual accounts ratified by an AGM under Article 47 of UEFA FFP.

SEVCO/TRFC/RIFC whatever you call the team now playing at Ibrox were not granted a licence because they failed to meet the conditions of Article 12 i.e. 3 years membership of the SFA.

Quite how UEFA can say RIFC do not have the required 3 years membership but SFA say, well nothing actually, is the question the SFA will continue to dodge for as long as it takes to stop it being asked.

Entry via the SC before the 3 years are up, if it happens, will require a decision to be made by UEFA. Is this application via Article 15 coming from RIFC who are exiled for 3 years because of Art 12 or Rangers in which case do they meet the criteria for admission.

RIFC can probably meet the criteria required by Art 15 but only by being treated as a different club from Rangers by UEFA.

Diablogic intit?

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StevieBCPosted on12:50 am - Dec 17, 2013


The Manager, The Rangers. 16 Dec 2013

Santa Claus
North Pole.

Dear Santa,

sorry that my letter is very late. I tried to give my letter to the posties playing for the part-time teams in League One – but they told me to ‘go away’ – so I have to blog you my Christmas list this year.

Under the tree this year, I would like ;

1) A Big Boy’s Bumper Book of Football Management.
For obvious reasons.

2) A dog.
Lots of people call me a dog-whistler…and I don’t even have a dog !
And when Sir Walter gave me the manager’s job, he told me I had been sold a pup.
But I never paid any money, and I still haven’t got one.
So, a dog would be great Santa.

3) A paddle.
Some people keep telling me I’m up a creek without a paddle.
I think they’re talking about my annual, free water-rafting holiday in the USA.
But I’m not slow Santa – I am ‘aye ready’ – so I need a paddle for this summer.

4) A Santa Appreciation Day at Ibrox.
During the year, maybe at the end of the season, I would like The Rangers fans to show their appreciation to Santa and all his helpers.
You could march onto the pitch at half-time, leading out the reindeer and elves, [there is a strict ‘no leprechauns’ policy at Ibrox, but your elves should be OK as long as they bring ID.]
We could have a great old sing-song, and you could update your outfit: blue and white replacing red and white, [but you could keep your trousers red – up to the knees anyway].
The black boots would have to go though, but you’ll look dignified in brown brogues.
The reindeer would have to lose the red noses, for a more ‘tangerine’ version.
And then everyone would know that Santa is a real Rangers man, one of the peepil !

That’s all I want for Christmas Santa. I have been a good boy all year – honestly – and I didn’t say or do anything bad at all – absolutely, honestly !

WATP,

Alistair Murdoch McCoist [age 51 and 1/4]

🙄
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[Edit]
I’m not greedy Santa, but I forgot to ask you for my stocking-fillers;

– Gold chocolate coins
[well I’ve already got my ’30 pieces of silver’ from the fans 😉 ]

– Spanish language learning course
[I must plan ahead for when I’m head-hunted by a bigger team from Madrid or Barcelona]

– Cinema tickets for the upcoming, new ‘Walter Mitty’ movie
[He’s my hero.]

– And don’t forget a tangerine in my stocking
[Or an orange. 😉 ]

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davythelotionPosted on12:57 am - Dec 17, 2013


Has Ally given EK bears his shares or his proxy?
Jack is employing the time worn tactic of introducing a move by denying it:
‘I have no intention, nor am I entertaining any notion of going to he pub’
Then qualifying it: ‘at his moment in time the idea of me visiting the pub is not on the table’
Then reluctantly adopting a pragmatic approach: ‘if other people in the house would rather watch Corrie in peace then I am forced to consider an evening in the snug’
Finally, our hero stomps off to the boozer with the housekeeping, and it’s everyone else’s fault!

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nickmcguinnessPosted on1:28 am - Dec 17, 2013


When Craig Whyte was trying to buy Rangers, the clumpany’s fans were warned he was a chancer with no great personal wealth.
Did they listen? Did they heck. And look what happened to them.
When the internet bampots warned that Whyte had sold their season tickets to buy the club, did they listen? Did they heck. And look what happened to them.
When Rangers fans were warned that Green, Ahmad and Stockbridge were spivs who would leech money out of their club, did they listen? Did they heck. And look what happened to them.
Now Rangers fans are being warned that the “mystery investors” behind Blue Pitch Holdings, Margarita Trust, Chris Morgan, Pierre Haddad and Elias Kaisar are all connected to Albert Abela Jnr, who has already been given a three-year suspended sentence in Italy plus, effectively, a £6million fine for “fraudulent bankruptcy”.
And are they listening? Are they heck.
And I think we all know what’s going to happen to them.

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JimBhoyPosted on2:17 am - Dec 17, 2013


When Shockbridge gets voted our or leaves soon, he will get his sal paid to the financial year end (bit of garden leave) and a couple of hundred K severance.. That’s going to take the coffers down substantially married with new board members’ sals and Mather’s unplanned pay off… That Million in the bank Q1 is not looking too accurate after all…

Regards rangers and the SC route to Europe I don’t think the SFA will need to worry about that scenario panning out… My rangers buddys are not at all impressed with the football quality down Ibrox way.

Hasn’t Mr Findlay got a strong interest in another football club, I bet he lost a debenture seat and shares when rangers went bust…Why is he commenting publically on something that has nowt to do with him. Where was he when the rangers needed saving by rangers men.. Same place as all the other rangers men..

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Galling fiverPosted on6:19 am - Dec 17, 2013


The reason I got hooked on this story stemmed from a theory by TBK or the likes many moons ago, that liquidation was a must. It was the best chance of avoiding litigation by other clubs who had suffered financially due to the registration issue. And since the bill to take TRFC back to the big show will probably exceed the debts that killed them, I still think that theory has substance, as potential liabilities could have been so much more.

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on6:52 am - Dec 17, 2013


Re why PL and others stayed quiet during the SFAs handling of the Sevco 2012 birth .
Can’t comment on others reasons but what if
PL and Celtic think now is not the time to demand any inquiries into what has gone on
They have evidence of serious corruption which has seriously impeded them as a business and a football club .
Maybe they think the exposing of such a scandal may just be the thing to convince the supporters that drastic sacrifices may have to be made to leave such rampant corruption behind for good .
Maybe Celtic are keeping their powder dry till the time is right
Who knows ? but I would be surprised if they were just sitting back doing nothing at all .

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on7:03 am - Dec 17, 2013


Galling fiver
I too was in the Liquidation only option camp on RTC ,as it solved soooo many problems .
Couple that with more or less guaranteed assurances from all the peepil (MSM/SFA/SPL/SFL ) of compliance in the myth and what’s not to like .
Lest we forget the mythical same club would have been plying it’s trade in the SPL from it’s conception ,if it were not for the REAL FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS ,funny how the said SUPPORTERS have been the ONLY one’s to hinder the new club .
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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upthehoopsPosted on7:13 am - Dec 17, 2013


Saw a headline in the Herald this morning where Graham Wallace denied there are cash concerns at Ibrox. It only takes simple arithmetic to work out there must be. Why do they just print this complete and utter garbage?

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Danish PastryPosted on7:19 am - Dec 17, 2013


A bit OT, but the last half hour of the 5 Live Football Daily yesterday was about betting and football. Worth a listen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lfd

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Angus1983Posted on8:22 am - Dec 17, 2013


I notice some descriptions of Mr Findlay that undeniably wouldn’t be tolerated here if the target was of a more green persuasion.

Angus, thanks for drawing that to my attention. They have now been removed
TSFM

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scottcPosted on8:25 am - Dec 17, 2013


justshatered says: (274)
December 16, 2013 at 10:17 pm

I understand what you are saying but I find it strange that all these shrewd, smart, confident guys would look at all of the aspects of this debacle and all come to the same conclusions AND more importantly adopt EXACTLY the same strategy without meeting up and agreeing that strategy.
That, in my mind, stretches credibility beyond breaking point.

Not that I think they ever had this discussion, but as it happens they did meet up (bar Celtic). The ‘gang of ten’ met in mid-March 2012.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/spl-tv-deal-gang-of-ten-could-quit-league-over-votes-reform-1-2199629

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LUGOSI99Posted on8:34 am - Dec 17, 2013


A couple of posts prompted me to read what Donald Findlay had been saying and having done so I don’t see what was objectionable and lead to some comments. Looks like the BBC asked and he answered. I don’t see it as being dragged from retirement because a) he is still a practising Queen’s Counsel and b) since 2010 he has been Chairman at Cowdenbeath. Far from being a once mediocre advocate he is, and was, one of the best Criminal Court practitioners this country has produced. Fourteen years ago he was Vice Chairman at Rangers, went to a do, got pished, sang The Sash, was fired in by one of The People and resigned. There has been a lot worse sang since without adverse comment. He is still involved in Scottish football and by my reckoning he has been in his current post for twice as long as The Rangers Intergalactic Football Clumpany Unlimited plc has been in existence. Why not ask a Championship Chairman about a lower league team who wear the same strip as a team he was on the Board of in the last century?

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bluPosted on9:35 am - Dec 17, 2013


Matteo Galy says: (47)
December 17, 2013 at 9:10 am

LUGOSI99 says: (2)
December 17, 2013 at 8:34 am
Why not ask a Championship Chairman about a lower league team who wear the same strip as a team he was on the Board of in the last century?
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Because it has nothing whatsoever to do with him?
I’d imagine the fans of Cowdenbeath wouldn’t be too enamoured with their own chairman talking about another club.
Will the BBC be asking any other chairmen of SPFL clubs their views on the goings on at Sevco?
Surely a better candidate would have been David Longmuir, who was an RFC fan and is now unemployed!

Findlay is good copy for space fillers. His considerable ego means that he’ll usually be prepared to give a quote, it’s no more or less than that. What he did say will have no impact on any votes or decisions made at the RIFC AGM on Thursday.

There have been too many chippy reactions to press coverage re McGowan and Findlay over the last 24 hours. These are side issues.

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briggsbhoyPosted on9:36 am - Dec 17, 2013


Donald Findlay’s on BBC website

“The people responsible for what Rangers Football Club has done to itself and the embarrassment and distress it has caused its supporters should be ashamed of themselves and should not be allowed anywhere near it”

He has not directly identified himself in there for his previous antics when with oldco, nor has he mentioned that he was there during the reign of the great SDM. He has also failed to mentioned the damage done to Scottish Football in general. Can see SDM, CW or CG being near Ibrox anytime soon.

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JimBhoyPosted on9:38 am - Dec 17, 2013


Good old DR has stories both slamming and hailing McCoist for giving out his proxy vote….Was gonna comment you couldn’t write this but obviously you can…..

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sports-hotline-ally-mccoist-slammed-2935537
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ally-mccoist-hailed-rangers-fans-2935560

I believe some think he has given up shares, all he has done is give his small voting rights away instead of abstaining from the vote as he originally suggested..I’d be very very surprised if it made a blind bit of difference.

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on9:50 am - Dec 17, 2013


Have the rifc board just set ally up as the fall guy?

They secure 54% majority
Give ally the nod to vote with the rebels
Friday morning having won the vote…sack ally for voting against the board (insubordination/gross misconduct?) and he gets a 750k contractual pay off…emptying the coffers and accelerating admin

Cue transfer of property assets from club to company….sale of club….. brogues back in who appoint ally and season tickets sold

a few years later, spivs sell property company off for tidy profit
brogues will go back to fans for money via new club share issue

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arabest1Posted on10:12 am - Dec 17, 2013


Good morning schadenfreuders, for a bit of fun…… well……..a bit more fun, lets gauge the mood on TSFM. How would you vote on Thursday if you had shares in the club…company…er….entity that plays out of Ibrox?

Thumbs down for the wee pretendy requisitioners 😳 ………

Thumbs up for the spiverati 😎 ….

you decide……(feel free to let any ‘agenda’ you may harbour pollute your choice!)

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Sugar DaddyPosted on10:23 am - Dec 17, 2013


scottc says: (384)
December 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm

Bear on Bear action has long been a part of this whole sorry mess, so you’re probably right. The reason I think the AGM will be fairly dull is the spivs have the votes. The requisitioners are fairly quiet and now have the look of a pished guy trying to hail a cab on a wet Saturday night.

Stockbridge may be voted off in a tactical move & get his £200k back as part of his compromise deal.

If they do that it gives everyone something to be happy about. The board is intact with the Easdale’s calling the shots on behalf of the shareholders, the requisitioners can claim to have changed the board for the better and Ally has plausible deniability irrespective of what the EK lads do The press can write usual pash on how important it is for Rangers to get stronger on the park as a vote that gives something to everyone will be complicated to write about.

It’s then on to the final stages of the plan for the spiverati, how to max the return out of the assets. Charlie didn’t spend that IPO money on the car park & Edminston House for nothing.
After all you need assets before you can do any stripping.

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andygraham.66Posted on11:20 am - Dec 17, 2013


Gattuso being investigated for match fixing

Probably easier countries to do this than Italy, eh

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SmugasPosted on12:04 pm - Dec 17, 2013


I don’t mean to make light at all, but I can’t help feeling the Stockbridge situation is akin to someone jumping off the titanic and swimming ashore as it passes the tip of Ireland with those remaining on deck laughing cos they’ve still got the hot chocolate and canapes! What could possibly go wrong?

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m.c.f.c.Posted on12:30 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Seriously, What If . . .

. . . we suspend disbelief for a moment and imagine that The Gang of Four all get elected and their counterparts get ejected. So Friday morning what do TGoF do. The four new paid employees – not owners – of the clumpany set about frustrating the wishes of the owners to strip the assets. Would this maybe annoy the owners of the clumpany and put their future employment in jeopardy. Might not the owners get together without the glare of an AGM and pick off the troublesome employees one by one. What earthly hope do TGoF have of doing anything to thwart the people who actually own the clumpany by owning its shares?

And suspending not only disbelief – but most elements of logic – if TGoF made a fantastic success of the clumpany, how would increasing its value benefit them and others who may wish to buy the shares of the clumpany from the current owners.

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Carl31Posted on12:32 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Auldheid,
Ive found your recent posts interesting and agree that the SFA will find themselves in a sticky position should Rangers win or be runners up in the SC prior to achieving 3 years audited accounts. My initial thoughts are that the club has so much more to worry about before anything like that might come about.

I’m puzzled that you refer to ‘RIFC’ though. I’d have thought it would be the club, TRFC, that would be licensed? Maybe just a typo?

My view for clarity is that RIFC is a holding company that holds controlling interest in TRFC, which is the club, which in turn allegedly owns and operates a Rangers FC (which has not been properly and fully defined in this context at any point).

UEFA and the SFA would not be concerned with the eligibility of either RIFC or Rangers FC, but would be concerned with the football club:

Section 3.1.1 of SFA Club Licensing…
-The Licence Applicant may only be a football club, that is the legal entity fully responsible for the football team participating in national and international competitions and which is the legal entity member of the Scottish Football Association (Full or Associate Member). The licence applicant is responsible for the fulfillment of the club licensing criteria.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/PartThree-UEFAClubLicensing/03%20The%20Club%20as%20Licence%20Applicant%20and%20Licence%20(2).pdf

This is old school and I’m sure you are familiar with this (grannies and eggs and all that), I know, but it clears up what might be considered new. or old, or a continuation, or whatever, should TRFC/Rangers win or be runners up in the SC prior to achieving 3 years audited accounts. This ‘transfer of membership’ wheeze seems to have got by any protests or complaints as to why Sevco Scotland Ltd, as they were at the time, from clubs that may have been further up the queue for new entry into Association football in Scotland. I think it will get the SFA and Rangers nowhere re UEFA licensing.

They would be considered a new club. Any continuation can not be a continuation of the legal entity, and could not legally have the responsibility for the tax dodging of the previous club laid at their feet.

The SFA might try it on – pleading a case of some sort for Rangers, but I cant see any mileage in it.

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neepheidPosted on12:50 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Sugar Daddy says: (154)
December 17, 2013 at 10:23 am

It’s then on to the final stages of the plan for the spiverati, how to max the return out of the assets. Charlie didn’t spend that IPO money on the car park & Edminston House for nothing.
After all you need assets before you can do any stripping.

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That’s a very perceptive observation. After the IPO, there was about £20m left in the bank, the football side was bleeding cash, they were 3 years away from the riches 😆 😆 of the SPL. It was obvious to anyone that the cash in hand was never going to get them there. So what does Green do? He spends £5m of that precious cash on the car park and Edmiston House. Now fair’s fair, if you were running a property business, that was a great move at a good price. Those purchases must enhance the value of Ibrox considerably. It was one of the few Green moves that made sense to me. Most of his other moves, like the ridiculous executive remuneration, the boardroom bonuses for winning the Scottish fourth division, seemed to be cash extraction exercises. Oh, hang on, they do make sense to me, just not in the context of running a football club.

Well now the cash has all but gone, and even I don’t think the bears are stupid enough to hand the spivs any more cash for worthless bits of paper. So is this the end game looming? Because in terms of running a football club, I just can’t see what the plan is. So has the time for the spivs to exit stage left, with the deeds tucked safely in their pockets?

But have no fear, that will just be end of act one of the panto, I’m sure that we can still look forward to more of Ally as Buttons, the Easdales as the ugly sisters, and Whyte as the wicked stepmother. Perhaps Green is to be relaunched as Prince Charming, with “Rangers” as poor little cinders. Now that’s the kind of show the bears would buy into. Especially if Sir David Murray puts in a guest appearance as the Fairy Godmother- although Dave King might already be booked for that role.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on12:50 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Carl31 says: (110)
December 17, 2013 at 12:32 pm

My view for clarity is that RIFC is a holding company that holds controlling interest in TRFC, which is the club, which in turn allegedly owns and operates a Rangers FC (which has not been properly and fully defined in this context at any point).

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Carl – the shifting sands of the club, company, holding company, legal entity charade will continue until it is assessed in a court of law subject to public scrutiny and appeal – rather than by some quango or conflicted officers of the law paid to interpret the swiss-cheese rules of what is after all only a glorified commercial trade association for the benefit of said money making enterprise. BTW – how does the following factor into your thinking:

Business Overview

Rangers International Football Club plc is a football club based in Glasgow, Scotland.

http://www.rangersinternationalfootballclub.com/shareholder-centre/business-overview

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Paulmac2Posted on1:03 pm - Dec 17, 2013


andygraham.66 says: (80)
December 17, 2013 at 11:20 am

Gattuso being investigated for match fixing
Probably easier countries to do this than Italy, eh
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Now…how will the Scottish press label him?…ex Old Firm player or ex-Rangers (now liquidated) player?

Or is this publicity SEVCO fc don’t need?

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m.c.f.c.Posted on1:08 pm - Dec 17, 2013


neepheid says: (930)
December 17, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Now that’s the kind of show the bears would buy into. Especially if Sir David Murray puts in a guest appearance as the Fairy Godmother- although Dave King might already be booked for that role.

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Neepheid – genius – absolute genius – I’d pay a tenner for another year of this panto – obviously the spivs are planning to sell panto tickets to the fans of every other club in Scotland to keep the show on the road. Then there are the TV tie ins – Educating Ibrox, George Clark – Amazing Asbestos Spaces, Gareth Malone’s Sectarian Choir, Joey Essex on a free transfer to The Only Way is Govan. The future is bright – the future is light entertainment.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on1:25 pm - Dec 17, 2013


GCSE English Comprehension

Question One: Consider the merits of juxtaposing an imprecise paraphrasing of one party’s opinion with a categorical denial by a second party using the example below.

Paul Murray has warned fans that Rangers will go bust unless the current board is ousted at Thursday’s AGM, but Wallace stated: “That is categorically not the case.”

Question Two: Consider the following headline with the direct quotation on which it is based. Discuss how biased or lazy a journalist would need to be to get from the latter to the former:

HEADLINE
Graham Wallace vows Rangers won’t go bust
Rangers chief executive Graham Wallace has vowed that Rangers won’t go bust.

DIRECT QUOTATION
He said: “Looking at the financial position of Rangers as I have in detail there is sufficient cash in the business to meet our short to medium term needs.

Question Three: Suggest the most obvious question or questions that a journalist might ask to challenge the apparent contradiction between the opinions of the two parties.

source material may be found here:
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/graham-wallace-vows-rangers-won-t-go-bust-1-3236016

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Carl31Posted on1:31 pm - Dec 17, 2013


m.c.f.c. says: (38)
December 17, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Its shifting sands right enough.

“BTW – how does the following factor into your thinking:
Business Overview
Rangers International Football Club plc is a football club based in Glasgow, Scotland.

http://www.rangersinternationalfootballclub.com/shareholder-centre/business-overview

What they say or present the holding company to be, to the outside world for the purposes of persuading gullible folk to part with their dough, isnt what they would need to present to the relevant governing bodies to obtain a UEFA license.

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m.c.f.c.Posted on1:44 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Carl31 says: (111)
December 17, 2013 at 1:31 pm

What they say or present the holding company to be, to the outside world for the purposes of persuading gullible folk to part with their dough, isnt what they would need to present to the relevant governing bodies to obtain a UEFA license.
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You mean they may be economical with the actualité when talking to UEFA. I wonder if Peter Lawwell’s presence at the SFA may hinder their flexibility with the “rules”.

And, when was the last time any Rangers incarnation could claim 3 years of audited accounts.?

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SmugasPosted on1:52 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Whilst the debate is no less relevant re the inevitable issue of a green light to 2014/15 euro participation for sevco if they win the SC (or if runners up to assumed SPFL champions CFC), it is in effect a moot point since no-one will/should believe they get to the final fairly in any case. I’ll say now, since he gets his fair share of stick on here, that to make the final would be a mammoth achievement by the highly paid one, simply to be overshadowed by more than a whiff of corruption around the whole thing due to the continuing presence of the armageddon trio.

So my point is, if sevco want any plaudits whatsoever for making it to the final, they need to oust the three amigos first.

Agenda, moi? 😈

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campsiejoePosted on1:53 pm - Dec 17, 2013


m.c.f.c. says: (41)
December 17, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Business Overview
Rangers International Football Club plc is a football club based in Glasgow, Scotland.

That is blatant misrepresentation
They are not a member of any football association, and therefore cannot be a football club
Unless of course Club and Company are one and the same

Edit

The Mulraney Group who own Alloa, don’t advertise themselves as a football club

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erniePosted on2:10 pm - Dec 17, 2013


Smugas says: (636)
December 17, 2013 at 12:04 pm
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I don’t mean to make light at all, but I can’t help feeling the Stockbridge situation is akin to someone jumping off the titanic and swimming ashore as it passes the tip of Ireland with those remaining on deck laughing cos they’ve still got the hot chocolate and canapes! What could possibly go wrong?
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That’s a bit unfair Smugas, the loyal rebels (?) are not passive, they have demanded that the deck chairs be re arranged.

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