Peace – Not War


Thank you lads, I’ve been more than a little concerned …

Comment on Peace – Not War by Allyjambo.

Thank you lads, I’ve been more than a little concerned about the plural of roof and now you’ve sorted it out for me…oh no! Wait a minute21

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Peace – Not War
easyJamboDecember 18, 2016 at 10:39

Yesterday, I ended a post regarding the Worthington notice with the following sentence:

‘Every now and again something seeps out of the woodwork to keep us all hungry for more of the same, here on SFM!’ 

I think now the ‘something’ is not so much ‘seeping’, as oozing, an appropriately descriptive word for the revealing of the alleged tortious (what a great word) actions, I think!

Synonyms of ooze (verb): seep · discharge · leak· leach

Synonyms of ooze (noun): mud · slime · alluvium · silt · mire · bog · sludge · slush

Peace – Not War
EASYJAMBODECEMBER 17, 2016 at 18:54

Like you, I find it informative, but unsubstantiated, though I suspect you might be in a position to know if some of the claims do have merit, if merit is the correct word to use 14 . I suspect all the parties involved would be hard pressed to describe themselves as ‘innocents’ though some, but not all, could probably be justified in telling us all that they are ‘not guilty’. The document itself appears to be a notice to those likely to do business with companies like Worthington, and the people involved with the company, in the hope that they will be less of the parriah that the notice seems to suggest they currently are, rather than a precursor to any legal action.

The claims in the document about King’s purchase of stolen electronic property do seem to suggest JJ had some inside information from this, or a connected, source, so some kudos to JJ. It is very rare in this saga, where so much documented evidence never hits the light of day and so much is covered up by those in authority at all levels, for the claims made by the likes of JJ and PMGB to be substantiated, one way or the other.

It will be interesting to see if someone named in this document as a procurer of known to be stolen property, who then passed it to another to be published to discredit someone with a claim against a company he has a large interest in, ever takes action against the people who produced such a libellous (if untrue) publication! For I am sure that these claims, if true, are actions of a very criminal nature, whether or not criminal proceedings are ever taken against a custodian of a wanabee Scottish institution!

Every now and again something seeps out of the woodwork to keep us all hungry for more of the same, here on SFM! 04

Peace – Not War
tonyDecember 17, 2016 at 11:50

Very interesting, Tony, but a bit too long for my level of concentration and, to be honest, over my head09

I more or less skim read it, hovering over any reference to Rangers (sic) and King and it paints neither of those parties in anything other than a bad light. I am not sure, though, in the end it is anything more than someone’s/some people’s version of events that doesn’t carry much weight or is even something we can consider the undoubted truth about the events. It does, however, lend weight to JJ’s claims about King buying the CF material illegally! Perhaps, if nothing else comes out of this, he, King, will face criminal charges, and have the opportunity to clear his name from such a vile calumny!

I hope EJ or another of our more analytical posters will take the time to dissect it and give us their opinion on what it says.

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StevieBC 8th May 2020 at 12:54

I think your point was addressed in page 2 of the SPFL letter, Stevie, (sorry, can't copy and paste it) in the paragraph that begins, 'Several of us have also been asked…' where it ends by saying that they can't comment until after the EGM, which I think would naturally be the case.

Can I say that the SPFL board do not seem to have missed TRFC, and in particular Stewart Robertson, and hit the wall. It is also clear from the paragraph I refer to that some of the clubs, at least, share our view that TRFC's actions are/were 'bringing the game into disrepute'. There appears to be genuine anger within the ranks of the SPFL, though it looks like Robertson has been set up to be the sacrificial lamb (or lump under the carpet) and may be used to deflect the full repercussions from the club he was acting on behalf of. 

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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 11:49 Allyjambo, all that’s a possible for sure but I just feel that for some fans it doesn’t matter if you wear the green and grey hoops or an orange away top you will fit your views around certain events in Scottish football to suit predetermined opinions/conspiracies. Scottish football is facing an uncertain future, as is our society, and the way Rangers have went about things has been an absolute embarrassment. I just can not see what they are hoping to achieve. Stay safe.


I agree that many/most supporters of all clubs (even ones who conflate grey with white) form their opinions around whatever suits their argument, it is more or less the same in every aspect of life, but as you say, TRFC's vindictive attempt at achieving goodness knows what is an absolute embarrassment, especially to thinking bears; and Celtic, whether through integrity or just having smarter people at the top, are extremely unlikely to ever make such a pig's ear of trying to 'encourage' others to facilitate their required outcome.

Hope you stay safe, too.

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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 10:38

While Celtic may well have done their level best to ensure TRFC were not handed the league title I very much doubt they'd have come up with the amateurish 'dossier' type 'evidence' that TRFC have produced. For one thing, they wouldn't have had to try too hard to come up with some sort of leverage, such as Resolution12, or even threaten, privately, to raise the good old secret 5 Way Agreement. 

I'm pretty certain that Celtic could, if they so wished, end the Great Lie and finish off, not only TRFC, but also all those who aided and abetted them while involved in the game's governance in 2012 and for some time before and after. They could also just threaten to raise Financial Fair Play with UEFA showing how TRFC signed players they couldn't afford (even after they'd posted such disastrous, touch and go UEFA compliant, Accounts) that enabled them to go so far in the UEFA Cup.

It certainly appears that Celtic have little to fear from TRFC's vindictiveness in terms of honesty and rule breaking, while the opposite is true the other way round, which is why they, TRFC, have had to go after their erstwhile friends at Hampden.

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Is there any posters on here that think TRFC's long awaited 'Dossier' was worth the wait, or does everyone agree that every doubt expressed as to the likelihood of it containing any 'smoking gun' evidence was right on the money?

I've not read it, and never will, but every critique I've read so far makes it clear that no one has found anything in it that should worry the two named SPFL board members, or anyone else involved (other than Stewart Robertson, TRFC's own man) and that it's nothing more than, at best, a list of questions to be answered, if anyone has the time.

Most notably, the distinct lack of any suggestion of 'bullying', far and away the most serious of the 'leaked' allegations, appears to be missing.

I have to say, though, that in my distrust of the game's governors I am a tad disappointed in it's patheticness*, as a can of worms once opened is very difficult to close, allowing more worms out that may at first have been sought. Anyone else feel the same way?

*Not an actual word, maybe, but then TRFC are not actually the club they claim to be either, so it's alright, see!

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Tweet from Graham Spiers

"Key part of Rangers’ accusatory statement of April 11: “bullying”. That is a very serious allegation about #SPFL governance. I’m wading through this RFC “dossier” trying to find evidence of “bullying” but haven’t found it yet. But give it time."

I'm sure page 200 will provide the smoking gun and it will take some time for all who have the dossier to reach mail

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