Comment on Podcast Episode 1 by Barcabhoy.
Anti Rangers sentiment ?
I can only speak for myself, however that would wrongly simplify my view and end up putting everything into a single category, when in fact the truth is much more complex. To get to todays feelings, its necessary to look back.
When i started supporting Celtic, the rivalry with Rangers was nothing other than a sporting one. The only people who mattered from either side were players and managers. Players respected each other generally, and Chairmen and Directors were largely invisible with regards to public pronouncements. Social media didnt exist , there was no internet. The media were more a source of news than they are today.
There were unacceptable employment practices from Rangers and an unacceptable collection of songs from both sides, however most of the time squabbling was restricted to a Saturday, as the rest of the time I was too busy playing football to worry about arguing over it. There were periods of dominance for both teams, but things changed when an egomaniac bought Rangers. This was a man who wasn’t prepared to stay in the background. He had to be the story. He had to dominate the back pages, his ego had to be fed. Because he lacked any element of class, winning wasn’t enough, humiliating your opponent was built into the modus operandi.
This humiliation involved using friendly media figures to ridicule Celtic, to promote fantasy schemes for Rangers as fact , and ultimately to attempt to get his friends at the bank to kill off Celtic altogether. We had moved from the Rangers Chairman having enough class to greet a European Champion Celtic team at Glasgow airport, to congratulate them, to a classless Rangers Chairman actively conspiring to kill Celtic .
When Celtic got their act together his ego meant disgraceful personal attacks by his media poodles on the man who was re-energising Celtic. Not content with this catalogue of classless behaviour, he then engaged in a decade long , longer actually, plan of cheating and deception. No need to repeat it ad nauseum on here, however this classless cheat deceived all of Scottish Football, except for a few at the SFA who were happy to play deaf dumb and blind as they were complicit in this scandal.
The rivalry had changed. Rangers fans bought into the ego’s bragging and classless behaviour. Thats not to blame them, they faced a blizzard of media assuring them the ego was a business genius. They, or most of them loved every moment. The propaganda was intoxicating. When things started to unravel, Rangers fans reaction was to disbelieve what was presented by the forums and blogs, as it was coming from “them”
Thats also a normal reaction. You don’t want to believe anything your enemy tells you. You are prepared to lap up positive propaganda from your own side whilst dismissing truth from the opposition. As Rangers position went from dire to terminal , positions hardened, attitudes became even more hostile. There was no sign of any acknowledgement that Rangers had cheated , no acknowledgement of completely unethical behavior. What we got instead were surreal justifications of “no sporting advantage” , crazy attempts to blame everyone else for the trauma that Rangers were now facing.
And no sign of contrition at all. None.
What we got instead, after the inevitable conclusion of Craig Whyte’s short period of control, was a return to bombast, bluster and wildly outrageous claims of superiority from Charles Green. He was a humorous interlude, so clearly bulls**tting that only the desperate took him seriously.
Which takes us full circle to where we are today. Rangers now have a CEO who , on early evidence, has personal and business integrity. Does this provide an opportunity for the rivalry to be based on sporting achievement. Maybe, but it would also help if the Rangers manager stopped his sh*t stirrer in chief role.
I understand the human reaction by Rangers fans to defend their club, i even understand , but strongly disagree with , the reluctance to acknowledge cheating and deception. Which is why ,for me the rivalry should return to who is the best team, who has the best players, who plays the best football.
With one caveat, this rivalry was poisoned by an ego maniac who cheated , deceived , evaded tax and financially doped his way through more than 2 decades. However he isn’t Rangers, and Rangers fans don’t deserve to be tarred with his dreadful reputation. They are having to suffer the trauma of his legacy . They have suffered at his hands, and in any ethically run organisation he would be brought to account , to bring closure to the rest of us and to ensure his kind can’t wreak havoc on our national game ever again.
I would like to think all supporters of all clubs can agree on that
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Corrupt Official nice choice of name ! The initial CO seem particularly appropriate for that moniker, and if you wanted to take it a stage further then Really Corrupt Official , RCO is even more illustrative of what has been happening in our countries national sport.
The article by Jon Pritchett that I tweeted about and Exiled Celt posted on is very well worth a read. It supports much of what was dismissed by PR hired hands and vested interests as internet Bampottery.
This sentence sums up where we are today, and in fact have been for a long number of years since Murray’s ego ruined Rangers
“Upon full inspection, Rangers was not a “turnaround” opportunity. It was (and is) an opportunity for someone with great wealth and a love of football and/or Scotland to give away tens and tens of millions of pounds. Unless some major, systemic changes occur within the current configuration of UK and European football leagues, I don’t think the Rangers math works”
Now this was written by an investment professional with full access to the financial data and contractual obligations . It is no wonder that those who invested with Green at the pre IPO stage ensured they got their money back at the first opportunity.
I doubt that many on here need the endorsement of those who were publicly involved , or the recognition that we were right, however it’s nice to at least know that someone who took the time and effort to really understand the situation came to the same conclusion as the majority on here.
The key issues have been flagged on here , from a very early stage, and way before the relevance was widely understood. As we stand today the Sevco 5088 to Sevco Scotland “entitlement to buy the assets “issue is a major obstacle to any rescue attempt. That was highlighted on here as the key issue almost as soon as the right of pre-emption documentation appeared at companies house, even in its redacted form.
Rangers predicament is a simple situation really, obfuscated by PR and ignorance amongst many Sports journalists. Although an increasing number are getting up to speed.
In simple terms the Club is not big enough and never has been to afford the expense of Auchenhowie and cannot afford the most expensive squad in Scotland . Until that reality sinks home permanently the merry-go-round will continue . Crisis management will become standard modus operandi, long term thinking and planning will not be allowed to take root , and necessary cornerstones for a successful business, such as conventional banking facilities and beneficial supplier contracts , are either absent or minimal.
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I got no grief , just a lot of congratulations on posting some new and relevant info. Given i was a day or so behind the curve on here , this was news to me.
You will find on here that if you linger long enough , then relationships build up and DM’s and emails become commonplace when sometimes people want an offline discussion
So if you find yourself the recipient of advice or comment meant for me, cut them some slack. They are by and large a good bunch , with a lot to offer the debate
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I have had a number of emails , tweets and DM’s on the topic of barcabusters comments. Just to set the record straight, i’m not barcabuster, however i can understand the confusion when a new poster uses a moniker very similar to that of a long term poster.
Interesting information , but the moniker is going to cause some confusion on here.
On Grounds for Judicial Review
Celtic aren’t employing a QC . The fans are.
Celtic have direct access , as a member of both the SFA and the SPFL. They have already succeeded in a committment from the SPFL to a wide ranging enquiry . We await the terms of reference of that enquiry. However it will not include the potential to set aside the LNS enquiry, according to Rod McKenzie
Hence the need for the fans to ask a court to do so.The basis is LNS was not provided with relevent evidence of use of unlawful or irregular tax schemes . LNS , by his own words , said he proceeded on the basis that these schemes were lawful. He also stated that the SPL had rules to prevent breaches of Sporting Integrity and he found Rangers guilty of that , but not in a manner that provided Sporting Advantage.
Based on what was hidden from LNS plus what has been ruled on by the Supreme Court , that conclusion by LNS looks fundamentally flawed
The SFA have failed completely in their role as protector of the game. I have no doubt whatsever that Celtic want fundamental change there. However at this stage the fans don’t have a specific decision that the SFA have made , in regards to the Sporting Advantage , that was the subject of an independent panel, and therefore open to a JR request
I agree that the non decisions described above by BRTH should be the subject and included in an SFA commisioned fully independent review . However as yet they have decided a 3 monkeys approach is all we are getting . Lets see if Celtic get enough support from other clubs on this one
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
1 The SPFL has guaranteed TV revenue for 3 years
2 Many clubs have record season book sales
3 Debt has been removed in most clubs
Why have SPFL clubs been silent so far , with the exception of Celtic , on the implications of the Supreme Court verdict
The argument is made that many are working hard just to make ends meet.
Fair enough , but when was that ever not the case in Scottish football.
Are we to believe that there will never be an environment where clubs have an appetite to get Four-square behind the notion of Sporting Integrity ?
That can’t possibly be the case , otherwise why bother having a rule book .
Some clubs though are in relative robust financial health, their supporters have dug deep to help finance recent achievements.
Don’t they deserve the respect , from club directors , of ensuring their club is treated exactly the same way as every club. Not every club bar 1
I’m looking particularly at Hearts , Aberdeen, Hibernian and St Johnstone. You have no excuses for silence , certainly not personal ambition for positions at the SFA or SPFL.
Do you really want your legacies to read :
I was scared to do the right thing in case we jeopardised some ticket revenue.
So I turned a blind eye to the actions of the authorities and 13 years of rule breaches by a member club “
That’s what you want to tell your grandchildren ?
If Clubs can’t speak out when they have guaranteed revenue, record fan support , are debt free and succesful , when CAN they be trusted to put Integrity at the top of their list of priorities…….or even on it .
Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
LNS Though did comment on the Tax Case. He explicitly stated that as far as his enquiry was concerned the EBT’s were lawful and as such were not a breach of league rules
That is an important point. If the use of EBT’s in relation to their legality/lawfulness/regularity was a matter of no consequence , then LNS had no need to address them. The fact that he found it necessary to comment on their legality is telling.
The only conclusion that can be drawn is that it is a breach of rules to use tax schemes which are irregular , unlawful , illegal or any of those categories
Yet there has not been a single enquiry into these tax schemes. Is this because guilt had already been admitted by Rangers ? Is it because it would be impossible to come to any other conclusion that sporting advantage was gained ?
Time to Make Things Happen
How do you reconcile your statement that Res 12 was a board controlled project with the fact it’s only in the public domain because of the efforts of the requisitioners ?
THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
Here’s the challenge when it comes to sanctioning clubs for fan behaviour.
1 Minor Incidents can be hugely exagerrated through social media and press coverage.
Take the recent statement by Club 1872 blaming celebrating Celtic fans for Celtic players being attacked, racially abused and having dangerous objects thrown at them. Now even allowing for the fact that the statement was made by the Moron’s moron Craig Houston, it received disproportionate coverage in the msm, virtually none of it ridiculing the shameful nature of the statement.
In the same statement Houston claimed damage to Ibrox stadium in a pathetic attempt to equate half a dozen broken seats with the £80k of wanton vandalism deliberatley carried out by Rangers supporters at Celtic Park
Now anyone with a more than a single brain cell can see through Houston’s lies and bitterness, however his claims were published in the MSM and as far as i’m aware have not been ridiculed by journalists in the papers that published them. They therefore become unchallenged outside of social media, and down the line gain a currency of “fact” amongst those who don’t know better
2 Serious incidents can be downplayed by press coverage
Graham Spiers aside not many in the MSM are prepared to report on the large scale singing and chanting which breaks the law in this country. As another example take the Scottish Cup Final of last season. If you only got your news from the MSM , then you would believe all 11 Rangers players were attacked on the pitch . We know that’s a lie, and at most it appears a single player was the victim of a single attempted assault.
However the media have largely ignored the actions of a large number of Rangers fans who went onto the pitch intent on committing violence. Those who didn’t ignore it, enthusiastically bought in to Jim Traynor’s fabrication of a valiant band who were only intent in defending their players.
There may be other incidents involving fans of other clubs which could be used to illustrate the points above. The issue though is we can’t allow the MSM to determine what is and isn’t a serious incident. Most journalists , i think, wouldn’t deliberately mislead, but there are clearly enough who would based on their track record