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Angus at 8:43am. Angus.To what would you give priority on the forum.That a football club stopped massaging its attendance figures or,that the governance of our national game is kept under the microscope?There is always room for diverse debate on TSFM.However,sometimes I feel their is a danger of getting sidetracked.
That was the only point I was trying to make mate.
41. Finloch says:
February 14, 2014 at 8:15 am
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Absolutely correct. I had in mind creditors in particular but shareholders also and others would suffer.
In any case ryangosling’s example was wholly hypothetical. It would be virtually impossible for a complex trading company like TRFC to go into insolvency having no creditors (other than RIFC). That would involve RIFC going round and settling every (known) external creditor of TRFC in advance of the insolvency.
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Brilliant Davy. I listen to the podcasts. Mostly keech this week though.
On the whole, Daziel is not pundit material and Guidi & Keevins are probably two most unpleasant people on radio — shouting down fans and bickering with them.
At the risk of mega pelters, I do reckon Jim Delahunt is the best of the hosts. The shows he’s in charge of are usually the better ones.
SSB recently posted a self-congratulatory tweet boasting a sizable increase in the listenership.
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Surely any figures on the number of people who listen to a radio show can only ever be a guess. How on earth can it be measured? Do they have a figure for the number of people who tune in and switch off after a couple of minutes of listening to their drivel – now these figures would be worth looking at!!
paulsatim says:
February 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm
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I think Ann Budge is precisely what Hearts need. Very good administration news for them this Valentine’s Day.
She is putting in her own money which is excellent and she is inviting the fans to meet a 5 year target to take control of the club – a 5 year target which is eminently achievable.
All it requires is 20,000 Jambos putting in £5 per month for those 5 years (or any variation thereof) so the plan is feasible, workable and I hope it will be successful.
Would that Rangers had had such a person 2 years ago; there were such people around, but the fact they felt unable to commit in this way tells you more, really, about the relationship most Rangers fans have with their team.
A sizeable minority support it for the wrong reasons and the few people who would be in a position to help save the club decline to do so because they prefer not to be associated with the image the sizeable minority projects to the wider society
In the main these people are successful business people, genuine fans of Rangers with no time for the sectarian nonsense. They would not have been successful if they had followed a sectarian agenda in their private or business lives and see no reason to change that now. They simply don’t “love” Rangers that much.
Sad really and a Green light to the spivs who have unfortunately taken full advantage, aided and abetted by a complacent support, a compliant media and supine governing bodies.
Good luck to Ann Budge therefore and to a rejuvenated Hearts in the years to come.
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February 14, 2014 at 8:15 am
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Absolutely correct. I had in mind creditors in particular but shareholders also and others would suffer.
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Investors should remember the value of your shares may go down as well as up!
I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who took a concious decision to purchase shares in RIFC PLC – they pretty much deserved what they got.
Maybe the folks who’s pension bought into these without their approval/knowledge get some sympathy – but any shareholder burned in this instance pretty much knew it was coming (or should have if they had done the most basic of checks)
Maybe some will pursue the AIM/cenkos for the work of fiction that was the IPO prospectus. Until they do….then they’ve no sympathy from me.
Just ten days to go until the Upper Tier Tribunal commences to hear HMRC’s appeal against the former Rangers football club (now in liquidation).
Angus1983
I think attendances at Celtic Park are a huge issue.
Celtic are the only team to really benefit from the TV deal as it stands. They get huge exposure from having 20 odd games a season broadcast live, but they only get the pain of losing the cash from an extra 8-10k supporters two or three times a year. If they were forced to lose 160,000 ticket sales or take a huge hit to their brand identity (and probably the TV money), maybe another team could mount more of a challenge.
This is as glaring an example of business trumping sporting integrity as anything to do with Sevco, but the silence here is as deafening as that from the SFA on all things Sevco. Arguably the decision to have small enough divisions to guarantee 4 OF games also puts business needs ahead of the good of the game and the top division split is a disgrace which no serious football nation would consider.
I’m not saying levelling the playing field will would fix Scottish football, but no real domestic competition is why the last 16 of the CL was an achievement and not just a normal year.
So rant over. Serious question.
Would Celtic fans choose a more competitive league (let’s say they only finish ahead of all the “Diddy” teams 8 seasons out of 10) if it meant they were able to regularly mount more of a challenge in Europe?
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paulsatim says:
February 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm
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All it requires is 20,000 Jambos putting in £5 per month for those 5 years (or any variation thereof) so the plan is feasible, workable and I hope it will be successful.
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Whilst the £5 a month is achievable, i don’t think you’ll get anywhere close to 20,000 fans (of ANY team) committing to it.
Think you’ll have to budget on a fraction of that number, i’d say 5k is more realistic (maybe even a stretch) but you might get a tenner a month!
the rest will need to come from regular supporters fund raisers, events, could they even have a regular “friendly” – something like an Edinburgh Derby legends game or a legends v fans game (or some variant)
I think raising that much cash ON TOP of normal ticket prices is going to be a huge task.
Good luck with it
easyJambo says: February 13, 2014 at 11:15 pm
It’s heartening to read of plans that Foundation of Hearts (FoH) fan group to take over club ownership from BIDCO within 5 years.
The SMSM coverage of the administration that I’ve read has not made it clear (to me) if all of the £2.5M is going towards the cost of the Heart of Midlothian plc CVA for the 200 creditors owed £28,424,336 or just to fund the purchase of the shares of UBIG & Ukio Bankas?
I note from an article in The Scotsman on1 August 2013 (sorry I can’t locate the link on their site)
“Hearts owe a total of £535,000 in football debt, which must be repaid in full by any new owners. Liverpool are due £47,000, while the likes of Rangers (which one?), Livingston, Ayr United and Stenhousemuir are waiting on smaller amounts.
Will these debts will be funded from the £2.5M or separately from amounts collected from FoH subscriptions?
I find it a curious anomaly that SFA and SPFL Rules/Articles of Association require clubs to pay all social taxes expeditiously following their due date but that any default is not classified as “footballing debts”
Has there been any discussion within FoH on making a voluntary payment of the public subsidy (unintentional State Aid?) of £1,881,065 for HM Revenue & Customs (i.e. civic society) investigation “contract settlement” debt to that partially funded Heart’s on field success prior to it entering administration?
It should be noted that should the company exit administration then the other business creditors of Heart of Midlothian plc will be able to write off any unrecovered amounts as “bad debts” against any profits arising in their accounts.
slimshady61 says:
February 14, 2014 at 10:03 am
A £5 a month to save your club is a fair shout, especially if you end up drinking in Edinburgh’s George Street.
How about a campaign for
‘Save a pint to buy your club’
or something similar. 🙂
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article5441426.ece
I found this article rather odd in yesterday’s scottish sun. Considering they have no problems with a bunch of guys running around pretending to be something that left a lot more debt behind than this joker.
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February 14, 2014 at 10:52 am
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slimshady61 says:
February 14, 2014 at 10:03 am
A £5 a month to save your club is a fair shout, especially if you end up drinking in Edinburgh’s George Street.
How about a campaign for
‘Save a pint to buy your club’
or something similar. 🙂
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an easy option would be to have a monthly raffle – win a signed shirt, stadium tour and/or tickets for game
every monthly subscriber is entered into the draw – wouldn’t cost the club much to award a prize, certainly not in relation to the funding it could bring in.
I’ve always found you’ll get more buy in if oyu are offering something in return. i’m sure plenty of local trades/businesses will be happy to put up prizes too in return for the advertising and saving their community club.
On this day of love is it perhaps appropriate to look at season ticket sales / attendances like a relationship.
You can say you have been together for 20 years however if you are there because it has just become ‘the norm’ but don’t talk to each other etc, then despite all the years it is not much of a relationship.
Actual attendances are the mark of a relationship between fans, their clubs and football in general and how things ebb and flow.
Trying to make a call on the health of the game/clubs on the basis of ‘overall’ tickets sold is not telling the whole story.
When things are on an ebb that is the time the relationship needs the most work.
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slimshady61 says:
February 14, 2014 at 10:03 am
A £5 a month to save your club is a fair shout, especially if you end up drinking in Edinburgh’s George Street.
How about a campaign for
‘Save a pint to buy your club’
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an easy option would be to have a monthly raffle – win a signed shirt, stadium tour and/or tickets for game
every monthly subscriber is entered into the draw – wouldn’t cost the club much to award a prize, certainly not in relation to the funding it could bring in.
I’ve always found you’ll get more buy in if oyu are offering something in return. i’m sure plenty of local trades/businesses will be happy to put up prizes too in return for the advertising and saving their community club.
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Maybe an idea we could use here.
Say a yearly fee of £20 which includes entry to a quarterly draw.Prizes to be decided(mugs,T-shirts,E-Mail addresses,whatever).Non members could be invited to buy tickets for £1 each.
Maybe some of us could donate the occasional prize.
Doesn’t seem too expensive and gets people involved.
sannoffymesssoitizzhizzemdyfonedrapolis says: February 14, 2014 at 10:34 am
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I don’t want to get into a debate of the rights or wrongs of shafting creditors. I’m not happy about it, but that is where we are. However I can give a few facts about how the deal is structured.
All of the £2.5M CVA pot will go to the secured creditor, Ukio Bankas. (they were owed £15M)
I believe that a nominal amount of £50K is being paid for UBIG’s shares (49%)
There will be no distribution to the other creditors.
The £535K going to “football creditors” will primarily pay a couple of weeks wages that went unpaid around the time the club went into administration in June 2013, in addition to outstanding payments to other clubs. This money is separate from the CVA (otherwise it might be seen as giving preferential treatment to a group of creditors) and will be funded from the monthly contributions of fans.
There are around 7,800 pledgers each of whom pay monthly DDs of £10 upwards. I believe that the average is around £16.
Monthly subscriptions started in September, so FOH has probably collected something around £700K-750K already. This cash will be needed to fund the club over the summer following the exit from administration (April?)
GoosyGoosy says:
February 13, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Re SSB
The umpties on SSB talk up a topic when the programme starts. Presumably the idea is to stimulate phone calls on that topic
So it is not unreasonable to assume that the frequency with which the same topic is peddled on successive nights is an indication of how strongly they are peddling the same agenda
Hence
When Lennon is verbally assaulted at Tyncastle the topic is considered worthy of top billing for one nights discussion on SSB
But
When Celtic are well beaten by Aberdeen in the Cup it was considered worthy of being the main topic on 4 successive nights (to date)
This would be perfectly in order if even half the emphasis was applauding Aberdeens performance and reviewing their prospects of being the second force in Scottish Football
Was that what we got?
Nope
The debate has focussed almost exclusively on “despair” and “misery” of Lennon and CFC fans and the duffers they have on the books
This nonsense is on a par with the Xmas time 7 day debate on SSB focussing on Celtic`s desperate need for a striker at a time when they were undefeated in the league having scored more and conceded less than any other club
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As Clyde is a commercial radio station which generates income from advertising they probably ask themselves the question at the afternoon editorial meeting: “What story will generate the highest participation of callers and listners tonight?” Not surprisingly the answer is to talk about Celtic because it is a football related topic and not a financial Sevco related one which they are uncomfortable with(for “uncomfortable” read “deliberately ignorant”) and is fraught with legal difficulties.
As for the discussion about Celtic – it does have some validity because as the biggest club by far in the League they should be performing at a higher level and by that I don’t just mean results but in their style of play. To me Celtic were always a fast, flowing attack minded side who sought to play football “the right way” but they seem to have lost much of their sparkle.
Many Celtic fans will also agree that Lennon has made some major blunders (what manager hasn’t?) and are happy to accept that there is valid criticism to be made rather than get all defensive about it and start shooting the messenger for constantly bringing Celtic down.
As for SSB – my pal, who listens in, tells me it hit a new high last night when Gordon “Bobby Dazzler” Dalziel called one caller a numpty. That is not to say the caller did not deserve to be called a numpty because he did but then Gordon would know because isn’t he a Moron.
All EPL clubs (as far as I’m aware) report the attendance as the tickets sold (including season tickets) as opposed to the actual count of punters who turn up. It changed a few years ago when it was realised that this was how Bolton Wanderers had been reporting attendances, so the other clubs followed suit. The reasons are partly PR and also to attract sponsors.
A nonsense really, but you could say that about a lot of things in modern football and it’s no big deal.
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February 14, 2014 at 11:42 am
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The one things that appears to be ignored in the discussion of attendances is the fact that, despite the spin, this country is in recession. Many fans have not received an inflation matching pay rise for ten years or more. Football is becoming a luxury to the ordinary working person. Midweek football can be even more expensive.
It’s no surprise that fans have to pick and choose their games.
Ally McCoist mentioned the “L” word in his press conference today 😯 😯
It’s insanely expensive down here: several games are 50 quid plus. There is only so much people will take, and crowds are on the wane. The madness is that none of the clubs in the EPL need to charge anything like that as the ticket revenue is dwarfed by the TV money.
Is our friend GreenockJack OK? He seems very quiet lately.
Is something taking up his attention at the moment?
Scottish Football needs a strong Arbroath.
As someone who has first hand experience of Ann Budge, having worked for her for 11 years, I am pleased that she has taken on this role. Ann was always a huge jambo and definetly has the best interests of the club at heart (no pun intended). If successful then Hearts are in very good hands and the supporters can look forward with some degree of confidence. I wish them and Ann Budge every success.
Good Afternoon,
Just catching up.
No word of administration for TRFC.
If it happens I hope it is before Albion Rovers game.
It would make sure Rovers get their money and it may deprive TRFC of their treble seeking superstars.
Listened to SSB for a few minutes this week. The usual nonesense. One or two attacked Celtic Finances and suggetsed Rangers were a well run company under Murray. You could not make it up.
As for forgiveness. It needs to be preceeded by contrition and there has never been any of that from Ibrokes.
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Football attendance is like a relationship? I agree.
So who else’s business is it?
A lot of Ena Sharpleses on this thread. 🙂
EKBhoy @ 12:42
SSB is the radio equivalent of the lowest of the tabloids and to quote Jerry Seinfeld on the subject “People who read the tabloids deserve to be lied to.”
BartinMain says:
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EKBhoy @ 12:42
SSB is the radio equivalent of the lowest of the tabloids and to quote Jerry Seinfeld on the subject “People who read the tabloids deserve to be lied to.”
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Ah yes, the under-used ‘Seinfeld principle’ ….. really SSB should have its own principle , like Archimedes or Walter , Walternomics principle ‘money is no object’.
I believe the SSB principle is sort of based on Newton’s law of gravity first published in 1687, the SSB principle ‘ is that the attraction to call the show is directly proportional to the intelligence quotient of the caller and pundits and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between Clydebank and the caller’s home’.
There is clear empirical evidence , as the utter banal , stupidity of the panel is unbelievable matched by the callers, yes most problems yield to mathematics , however there are some spikes / outliers which defy this principle , as the odd clever caller gets attracted. I suspect that a more advanced SSB Einstein principle covers this off.
Still need a catchy name for the SSB principle ‘Enstein’s Fifth Law of Stupidity’ , need to check if there is already a fifth law …..
easyJambo says: February 14, 2014 at 11:17 am
I don’t want to get into a debate of the rights or wrongs of shafting creditors. I’m not happy about it, but that is where we are. However I can give a few facts about how the deal is structured.
All of the £2.5M CVA pot will go to the secured creditor, Ukio Bankas. (they were owed £15M)
I believe that a nominal amount of £50K is being paid for UBIG’s shares (49%)
There will be no distribution to the other creditors.
The £535K going to “football creditors” will primarily pay a couple of weeks wages that went unpaid around the time the club went into administration in June 2013, in addition to outstanding payments to other clubs. This money is separate from the CVA (otherwise it might be seen as giving preferential treatment to a group of creditors) and will be funded from the monthly contributions of fans.
There are around 7,800 pledgers each of whom pay monthly DDs of £10 upwards. I believe that the average is around £16.
Monthly subscriptions started in September, so FOH has probably collected something around £700K-750K already. This cash will be needed to fund the club over the summer following the exit from administration (April?)
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I know from reading your and Allyjambo’s posts on RTC / TSFM since February 2011 that the vast majority of Jambos and current posters / lurkers on here are unhappy with the effects of insolvency law on creditors.
Thanks for your explanation of how the available funding will be utilised as FoH work towards taking control of your club. As expected your explanation is more concise and complete than anything I’ve read from the SMSM “hacks”!
As a former Trade Union Branch Officer I’m glad to hear that part of the £535K is going to the Hearts playing staff who suffered a loss of contracted earnings. Are the other employees being paid their wages too?
Conversely I’m less that amused by the prospect of Hearts having to reimburse RIFC plc / TRFC Ltd considering their shameful pleading poverty regarding the fee owed for Lee Wallace when they knew they would shortly be “spivving” £20M from bears in an IPO. No doubt should you exit administration the new owners will be looking to impose karma with some alacrity.
The main thrust of my criticism relates to the SFA & SPFL’s role in these matters. It really annoys me that neither the SPFL nor the SFA, as the national governing body, have any meaningful sanction for the breach of their own rules requiring prompt payment of all social taxes on their due date.
I mischievously used the example of Hearts (rather than RFC) as they’re in the papers today in the (forlorn) hope of attracting some bears to contribute to the debate on reforming the application of Insolvency Law in Scottish football.
I have nothing but praise for Hearts and Dunfermline supporters who have responded admirably and stoically to their clubs administrations compared to the behaviour of many RFC supporters.
In fact Scottish Football needs strong Hearts, Pars (and Smokies)! c Redlichtie
Today, you may have noticed, is the birthday of Carl Bernstein, one of the ‘Watergate’ investigative journalists, a man who makes our ‘ churnalists’ look like , what? is there a word in English that carries the full weight of scorn and contempt that they are held in?
I fired off a wee email to his publisher’s address to wish him happy birthday, and entertain him with a little account of the ‘saga’.
Of course, I did not begin to compare the truly evil situation and powerful forces from which he was in danger of his life ( mind you, bullets through the post from a crazed individual may be as frightening as a visit by the FBI!) with that of a defunct football club and the lies and corruption surrounding it.
I did, however, make the point that if a journalist, for base :slamb: culinary reasons refuses to deal honestly and fairly with an important point of principle, he is worthy of nothing but contempt.
I hope whoever in the publisher’s office reads my little piece will pas it on to the great man.
( won’t hold my breath, though.) 😀
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/affairs-of-the-heart/
Phil’s latest.
I wonder if he would do a guest blog once he has had a chance to study your letter, John? 😛
y4rmy says:
February 14, 2014 at 11:42 am
All EPL clubs (as far as I’m aware) report the attendance as the tickets sold (including season tickets) as opposed to the actual count of punters who turn up. It changed a few years ago when it was realised that this was how Bolton Wanderers had been reporting attendances, so the other clubs followed suit. The reasons are partly PR and also to attract sponsors.
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Arsenal used to announce the attendance towards the end of each home game until the later part of last season when supporters were feeling hard done by – with a 5% increase in season book prices announced and with no trophies forthcoming yet again. With each announcement of a capacity 60,000+ crowd the boos and derision rang out because of the thousands of empty seats to be seen. They’ve stopped announcing the attendance this season!
sannoffymesssoitizzhizzemdyfonedrapolis says: February 14, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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Interestingly, the last Hearts creditors list published by BDO does not include any manifestation of Rangers. Hopefully that list is complete and accurate.
I sincerely hope that it is all employees and not just players (past and present) who will have their wages made up.
The total wages outstanding came to £357K with £205K of that amount due to former players.
There are only 4 clubs due money, Liverpool, Stenhousemuir, Livingston and Kaunas, together with the SFA and a number of agents who would fall into the football creditors pot.
The SPFL already has the ability to sanction clubs for non payment of wages, PAYE and NIC. Oddly they do not include VAT.
Prior to their administration Hearts were sanctioned by the SPFL for non payment of wages by registration embargoes until the payments were up to date.
y4rmy says: February 14, 2014 at 12:04 pm
It’s insanely expensive down here: several games are 50 quid plus. There is only so much people will take, and crowds are on the wane. The madness is that none of the clubs in the EPL need to charge anything like that as the ticket revenue is dwarfed by the TV money.
The thing is, that with 90% of EPL clubs LOSING money, I guess they do need to charge £50 a pop… they’d be losing even more if they didn’t…
john clarke says:
February 14, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Today, you may have noticed, is the birthday of Carl Bernstein…
I fired off a wee email to his publisher’s address…
I hope whoever in the publisher’s office reads my little piece will pas it on to the great man.
( won’t hold my breath, though.) 😀
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If I was a betting footballer, I would guess the odds of receiving a response are significantly lower than the odds of receiving a response from the SFA / SPFL / SMSM…
By the law of averages, hopefully one of your missives will provoke a reaction ?
But all power to your quill jc ! 😉
Well I still think it’s hilarious that Sevco (for example) issue false attendance figures every home game to make themselves looker bigger than they are apparently. As if one of the two biggest teams in Scotland, by a mile, needs to. Ingrained supremacy complex perhaps?
Is it important? Well, is anything in football? I’ve always wondered why they do this but I agree, not a big deal.
Hi
Someone is having fun at Companies House – forms to remove CW, AE, Law Financial, change reg office and appoint C Green as director all lodged for Sevco 5088 today
Davie B says:
February 14, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Hi
Someone is having fun at Companies House – forms to remove CW, AE, Law Financial, change reg office and appoint C Green as director all lodged for Sevco 5088 today
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Has someone not changed that password yet 🙂
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Cheers Auldheid. Much appreciated.
scottc says:
February 14, 2014 at 2:21 pm
‘..I wonder if he would do a guest blog ‘
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Wouldn’t that be something? 😀
But I suspect that even if it was something that really grabbed his attention, his journalistic integrity would (quite properly) not be impaired by the need to charge for his services! According to the piece I read on the web, he is on the ‘lecture’ trail as an invited speaker and so on, so he values his time and effort.
If by some little flukey miracle I get any kind of reply showing interest……..I’ll be astounded. But you bet I’d follow it up. 😆
Davie B says:
February 14, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Someone is having fun at Companies House – forms to remove CW, AE, Law Financial, change reg office and appoint C Green as director all lodged for Sevco 5088 today
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But is Sevco 5088 still regarded as a subsidiary by RIFC Plc or not. One thing for sure is that the activity shows that the company is still very important to someone – I wonder why? For a supposedly inactive company it’s amazing how much activity it generates 🙄
And if it is still an RIFC Plc subsidiary why would they allow Green to be a director of it as I assume they would need to approve his application and yet I thought he no longer had anything to do with RIFC Plc except being a major shareholder always assuming that the Easdale camp hasn’t bought his shares. All very strange as per usual ❗
GoosyGoosy says:
February 13, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Re SSB
… When Lennon is verbally assaulted at Tyncastle the topic is considered worthy of top billing for one nights discussion on SSB
But
When Celtic are well beaten by Aberdeen in the Cup it was considered worthy of being the main topic on 4 successive nights (to date)
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Never listened to SSB, but I think Mr Lennon and his agent were well enough served by just about every other media outlet over the time period between him being heinously assaulted by a tumbler of Moray Cup deliberately flung by a slavering horde of Aberdeen fans and his team meeting, coincidentally, Aberdeen the next week.
Angus1983 says:
February 14, 2014 at 4:40 pm
GoosyGoosy says:
February 13, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Re SSB
… When Lennon is verbally assaulted at Tyncastle the topic is considered worthy of top billing for one nights discussion on SSB
But
When Celtic are well beaten by Aberdeen in the Cup it was considered worthy of being the main topic on 4 successive nights (to date)
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Never listened to SSB, but I think Mr Lennon and his agent were well enough served by just about every other media outlet over the time period between him being heinously assaulted by a tumbler of Moray Cup deliberately flung by a slavering horde of Aberdeen fans and his team meeting, coincidentally, Aberdeen the next week.
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Having only recently learned to be cynical I thought it was either a bit of news management to try and boost the crowd for the Cup game.
Or an early attempt by the agent to start up a “Neil has no option but to leave Scotch football as the fans of other teams are making it impossible for him to live and work in Scotland” type thing where the agent used a gullible “reporter” to get it on the airwaves and in doing so compelled the print media to grab a piece of the action. Like I say I’ve only recently become cynical and in common with many newcomers to a sport I maybe a bit too enthusiastic on this one.
A long shot but is end of play Friday not a favourite time for the release of regulatory news? 🙂
The lesser-spotted Minty gets a mention
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Does anyone know whether the article below is just PR puff , copy/pasted by MSM ?
Is the real story: Minty lacks cash / backers – so no development ?
More Minty Moonbeams ?
And why no mention of a casino, floating pitch, etc. ? 🙄
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“FORMER Rangers owner Sir David Murray’s firm has asked for more time to start work on a housing development next to his £5 million golf course…
He has fought a 20-year battle to build homes…
He unveiled plans for the golf course, luxury homes, a country club, hotel and a leisure club but planning delays held up the development…
building work on a development of 270 homes has never started. Permission for the homes was granted in 2011…”
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/ex-rangers-owner-in-plea-over-homes.23428611
StevieBC says:
February 14, 2014 at 5:52 pm
The lesser-spotted Minty gets a mention
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I don’t suppose he delayed it himself until certain tax cases are decided ❓
GeronimosCadillac on February 14, 2014 at 11:24 am
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Mr Dalziel was actually ‘numty-fied’ first by the caller (‘No offence intended,’ said he).
It does this blog no favours to have various posters stating how awful SSB is while at the same admitting to being non-listeners.
SSB’s one redeeming feature is that it takes a variety of callers — unlike any other sports show. The pundits don’t float my boat and are well-suited to Talksport, but it’s an education listening to it.
Regarding callers, it has regulars, but you also get some very decent callers who put the pundits to shame. Since it’s the only Scottish sports phone-in (to my knowledge) that lets a substantial number of fans on, it offers a platform for debate and an opportunity to monitor opinion.
Re SSB. First ten minutes again for me tonight (I know, I know). Almost an open invitation at the start for people to come on and have a go at Celtic for just about anything. Ronnie the Rangers fan given a free platform to lay it on big time.
I’m off to the pub for some intellectual football chat 😀
RyanGosling says:
February 13, 2014 at 9:55 pm
And frankly I’m amazed that you think there are discussions on this board I am prohibited from participating in based on what team I support. Allyjambo is the best example of someone clearly focused on his own team who has been free to comment without prejudice on whatever subject is being discussed at a given time. I don’t believe different rules should apply to me.
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Ryan,
I was about to TU your post, while fully acknowledging ecobohy’s point he seldom uses sectarian references (I TU’d his post also) but must take you up on your reference to me and point out I seldom post about my club, unless in response to someone’s post asking me what I think or to enter into a general discussion about the club/administration, or to some event ie progress in Hearts administration, or when I think someone is using them/me as a stick to beat the blog with. Seems like quite a lot that actually 🙄 , but I hope you get my point just the same. My posts on here about Hearts make a very small proportion of what I have posted.
It has been a pleasure to me to see how so many on here have put aside their traditional rivalries and backed the progress Hearts are making, while still voicing displeasure at the way they got themselves into such a mess. I’ve said in a previous post, recently, that when I have nothing worthwhile to say about Hearts, I say nothing. I also made the point that that is why I think the more sensible RFC/TRFC supporters avoid posting on the internet (it was said in support of them actually) as, when you are aware your club has no excuse and is culpable, if your sensible, you don’t make a noise just for the sake of it. Empty vessels and all that.
I think, too, that you are splitting hairs over ecobhoys use of ‘sectarian’; and yes, he didn’t quote any sectarian references in the post you referred to, but he explained that so you should have left it at that. Unless you’d prefer it to become the topic we discuss!
If you can find any instances where something I’ve said regarding Hearts was in any way contentious and didn’t get battered here, please point it out. The same goes for future posts.
Sorry for the delay in my response, I am just catching up.
upthehoops on February 14, 2014 at 6:37 pm
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Re SSB. First ten minutes again for me tonight (I know, I know). Almost an open invitation at the start for people to come on and have a go at Celtic for just about anything. Ronnie the Rangers fan given a free platform to lay it on big time.
I’m off to the pub for some intellectual football chat
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Sensible, no doubt.
The media exists in its entirety. It’s there. It’s not just the bits we approve of.
Danish Pastry says:
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GeronimosCadillac on February 14, 2014 at 11:24 am
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Mr Dalziel was actually ‘numty-fied’ first by the caller (‘No offence intended,’ said he).
It does this blog no favours to have various posters stating how awful SSB is while at the same admitting to being non-listeners.
SSB’s one redeeming feature is that it takes a variety of callers — unlike any other sports show. The pundits don’t float my boat and are well-suited to Talksport, but it’s an education listening to it.
Regarding callers, it has regulars, but you also get some very decent callers who put the pundits to shame. Since it’s the only Scottish sports phone-in (to my knowledge) that lets a substantial number of fans on, it offers a platform for debate and an opportunity to monitor opinion.
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As a various poster, whatever floats your boat, keep on listening to SSB , let us know the next time there is something sensible stated. In terms of monitoring opinion , you would be better advised to go the pub.
StevieBC says:
February 14, 2014 at 5:52 pm
Sir David Murray does have his finger in a few pies. The company that owns the golf course is called New Brannock Limited and that company has 3 subsidiaries which have been set up to develop the housing development.
New Brannock Limited bought the land on which the golf course sits and on which the houses are planned from Gillespie Investments Limited a company in which the 4 Gillespie brothers have / had an interest. Graham Gillespie sat on the board of New Brannock Limited from 29/08/1995 to 05/04/1996.
The 4 Gillespie brothers do not get on. This dates back to 2000 when Graham Gillespie broke his younger brother Steven’s skull in a fight. Indeed they dislike each other so much that they have appeared in front of Lord Hodge in another fight over money.
http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2011CSOH109.html
And the football link? Graham is best mates with Graeme.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sheriff-orders-probe-shares-passed-2121541
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-bust-tycoon-graham-gillespie-1912885
The football world and the business world is such a small world in this little country of ours.
Keevins and BFDJ getting a wee bit wound up tonight and Lennon’s getting a verbal ‘doing’ from both. ie Keevins knew that Neil Lennon’s cup competition record ( put out of 7 out of a possible 9 ) but was ‘stumped’ when asked how many ally had been put out of and just accused caller ‘mark’ of being twisted and embarrassing his family ………… Loving their pain 😀 😀 😀 sorry but I love listening to this comedy show as I’ve said before it makes the ironing easier to get through ………. Any news from the ‘meeting’??
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-disgraced-businessman-graham-gillespie-858138
Check out this picture. Murray, Connery and Gillespie.
I wonder if any of the good news I just posted from Twitter will find its way on SSB – and if so, how in-depth the discussion might be?
EKBhoy on February 14, 2014 at 7:12 pm
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Doesn’t this blog often criticize the Ibrox faithful for having closed minds and heids in the sand?
If you had bothered to read my post (that you quoted) you would have noted that the SSB pundits do not float my boat and the show’s only value is the caller content, imo.
Of course, the blog could just rename itself the The Scottish Pub Monitor and be done with it. Why even attempt to monitor the media when you can go down the pub?
I’m sorry, your post reeks of elitism and arrogance so common in the programme you apparently despise.
TSFM says:
February 14, 2014 at 7:35 pm
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30k tickets secured but will we sell them all?
Let’s flipping hope so!!
I wonder if any of the good news I just posted from Twitter will find its way on SSB – and if so, how in-depth the discussion might be?
You live and dream 🙂
Allyjambo thanks for that. I believe there was nothing more than an innocent misunderstanding between ecobhoy and I last night that went further than it should have. I was happy to leave it at the simple comment I made regarding the use of the word sectarian and from my point of view the only reason it carried on was I felt ecobhoy was rather aggressive in his retorts. But as I said, it was a misunderstanding and nothing more. I hope that is the end of the matter between ecobhoy and myself.
When I mentioned you in my post it was only as a result of misinterpretation of what Eco was saying. It was certainly not meant to be in any way negative about you and if it appeared that way then it was accidental. All I was saying was that you clearly cared about your club but participated fully in a wide range of conversation here.
I agree with you about more intelligent Bears keeping quiet. I have seldom if ever come on here and argued with people on things they were saying to “defend my club” as some of my brethren are so fond of saying, purely because a lot of what they have done has been just plain wrong. There is no point in arguing with someone for arguments’ sake or because of someone’s background.
A knowledgeable poster ( I’m sorry I can’t find the name) helpfully pointed out to me a little while ago that the FCA have no jurisdiction over AIM. (I had sent an email to the FCA asking about the exclusion of the manager’s salary details from RIFC’s IPO prospectus.)
The reply I finally got from the FCA (today) confirmed that, and helpfully pointed me in the direction of AIM.
So, I’ve re-worded my original query and slightly updated it, and have sent it off to AIM, as below, ten minutes ago.
As I’ve had occasion to say in another context, I have become so cynical about money-men that I am ready to believe that AIM self-regulation will be about as effective as the self-regulation of the Press Complaints Commission or of the Police Complaints Commission. But, you’ve got to try…..
“Dear AIM Regulation.
I was intrigued to learn that , at the end of 2012 when Rangers International FC was launching their IPO, the Board sought and obtained permission to exclude the rate of remuneration of one of its most highly paid employee’s (the team manager) from the details provided in the prospectus.
Please may I ask on what basis this permission was granted? That is,can you refer me to the relevant provisions of any Rules or regulations that empower such an exemption and on what grounds?Or was it a purely arbitrary decision?
You will know, of course, that the employee in question was being paid something of the order of £750,000 p.a. This salary level was several times higher than the combined salaries of the other managers of the teams against which RIFC/The Rangers FC were to compete in the bottom division of Scottish professional football.
The recipient of such a disproportionately high salary would of course have been personally embarrassed if fans of the club ,who had been asked to cough up to buy shares to help the club, had got to know about it.
However, the personal embarrassment of an individual should have little to do with the withholding of information from prospective shareholders-information which by any assessment would indicate a Board that, by paying a salary far out of kilter with what was the going rate for similar companies in the same market-place, demonstrated such a lack of ordinary business savvy as was likely to lead to serious financial mismanagement.
Which, of course, is what, by reference to the current financial situation at RIFC plc , we are currently witnessing
Can you shed any light on this puzzling and slightly worrying ‘permission’, please?
Yours etc……”
TSFM says:
February 14, 2014 at 7:35 pm
‘..[Aberdeen FC secure an allocation in excess of 30,000 ] ‘
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I was really, really pleased to read that tweet/re-tweet, TSFM.
The hope is that ICT will, proportionately to the population, try to match that.
I’ll try to get a ticket myself, for the occasion that’s in it.
Danish Pastry says:
February 14, 2014 at 7:53 pm
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Sorry you feel that way, can’t think of anything useful will be achieved in monitoring SSB , crikey, better call it quits …. Elite and arrogant , ah well variety Is the spice of life, take it easy.
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Mr Dalziel was actually ‘numty-fied’ first by the caller (‘No offence intended,’ said he).
It does this blog no favours to have various posters stating how awful SSB is while at the same admitting to being non-listeners.
SSB’s one redeeming feature is that it takes a variety of callers — unlike any other sports show. The pundits don’t float my boat and are well-suited to Talksport, but it’s an education listening to it.
Regarding callers, it has regulars, but you also get some very decent callers who put the pundits to shame. Since it’s the only Scottish sports phone-in (to my knowledge) that lets a substantial number of fans on, it offers a platform for debate and an opportunity to monitor opinion.
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Eh? I do listen to it but I’m too embarrassed to admit it so I couch my comments in a way that suggests I don’t. It’s a bit of fun really and yes Dalziel was called a numpty first but that does not excuse him calling the caller a numpty to get his own back.
As for SSB and it’s role in Scottish football. I believe it has reached an all time low as evidenced by tonight’s show which my big mate tells me was horrendous.
Poor Hugh Keevins was getting it in the neck for contriving and holding a position which says Celtics achievements this year are “inadequate” in that they haven’t bagged a Double or Treble (no mention of the achievements of the other teams who beat them much).
He does have a point but there is something insincere and manipulative about putting that view out there and then waiting for the response which from many callers (except Frank) was childish. If I owned that Radio company I would be working out how to produce a proper football show (phone in or otherwise) because the “pundits” they have are some of the worst on offer, they must be cheap.
Super scoreboard breaches the human rights of grammar.
TSFM says:
February 14, 2014 at 7:43 pm
I wonder if any of the good news I just posted from Twitter will find its way on SSB – and if so, how in-depth the discussion might be?
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Two excellent bits of news. If Aberdeen sell 30k of tickets I will be impressed and I’m not easily impressed.
As for it appearing on SSB. Now there’s an idea for the owners – in the internet age they could broadcast to all of Scotland or syndicate the broadcast to sister stations and others and broaden the soccer chat beyond the toxic West of Scotland.
Yours etc……”
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TSFM says:
February 14, 2014 at 7:35 pm
‘..[Aberdeen FC secure an allocation in excess of 30,000 ] ‘
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I was really, really pleased to read that tweet/re-tweet, TSFM.
The hope is that ICT will, proportionately to the population, try to match that.
I’ll try to get a ticket myself, for the occasion that’s in it
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The entire population of Inverness is 72000. Some of them are supporters of our opponents – which I can understand – (until relatively recently, Aberdeen were the nearest ‘local’ team playing football at a senior level in the national league).
With that statistic in mind, I expect that we will put on a decent showing. Looking forward to taking my son along to what will be a first ever cup final for both of us. If the ticket pricing is set right, I may try and convince Mrs. Dog & the girls to make it an outing for the whole family.
Not expecting to win.
Expecting to enjoy the occasion and givew our team the plaudits they deserve for the progress they have made over the past dceade and a half.
I will add that I know not of this SSB of which you all speak!
The Cairngoirms in their magnificence and majesty also manage to effortless block out all radiowaves from the Clyde area. (Hmmm… I wonder wryly if this is what people mean by the expression ‘clean highland air’? )
I think most people, whether fans of the teams involved or not, would like to see Celtic Park full for the league cup final, with the fans creating a great atmosphere and the teams giving us a good game.
Scottish football could do with a good advert for the game, creating interest from outwith the country hopefully. Maybe even bringing a few fans back to the game and creating some new ones who want to go and watch it live.
Let’s just hope it happens.
One of the lessons I have learned through RTC and here is just how narrow and parochial the OF paradigm was.
The defeat of Celtic by Aberdeen is seen as a disaster by the Glasgow MSM – a disaster that can only be fixed by a defeat of Celtic by TRFC !
One of the reasons that Celtic are getting it point-blank from the media is that there is a total failure to see what happened last week as a big success for Aberdeen, instead looking at it from a negative Celtic perspective. It’s almost as if Aberdeen played no part in their own success. It is strange though, that most Celtic fans I have spoken to in the last week have been relatively uncontaminated by that negative posture.
I still think that even non-OF clubs saw the game through that flawed prism as well – and the survival of 11-1 in my opinion is some evidence that the angle of view has not shifted as much as it needs to.
john clarke says:
However, the personal embarrassment of an individual should have little to do with the withholding of information from prospective shareholders-information which by any assessment would indicate a Board that, by paying a salary far out of kilter with what was the going rate for similar companies in the same market-place, demonstrated such a lack of ordinary business savvy as was likely to lead to serious financial mismanagement.
BUT WE ARE RANGERS…………….Maybe your reply :slamb:
TSFM
“It is strange though, that most Celtic fans I have spoken to in the last week have been relatively uncontaminated by that negative posture.”
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Naw it isnae.
Re BDO/RFC 2012 & Others v Collyer Bristow
It was printed last month on thelawyer website that the above case was scheduled to have a case management conference today with the full trial expected in Jan 2015.
http://m.thelawyer.com/3014793.article?mobilesite=enabled
Where is all this MoneyGeddon coming from? I hope there’s a hover pitch 🙂