Podcast Episode 1

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Podcast Episode 1

SFM PodcastOur First podcast features a general discussion involving our own Big Pink and Auldheid.
Since it is the first podcast there is no particular agenda save for a general chat about TSFM, the state of Scottish Football, and some few reminiscences. The chat covers a lot of ground, but establishes the ethos of the blog pretty well.

Topics discussed include FPP, Leadership, Interdependence, Scotland’s self-regard, Coaching and Nurturing of Talent, Redistribution of Income, Rangers, Forgiveness, domestic strife 🙂

The interview was conducted a couple of days before the latest round of Armageddon, when Big Pink and Auldheid felt safe and well 🙂

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on10:40 pm - Feb 14, 2014


TSFM I see what you’re saying, but I think a lot of that is just due to the fact that Celtic would have been expected to beat Aberdeen and therefore it counts as a shock, in those situations I think it is normal practice for any mainstream media to focus on the failure of the big team unless the “wee” team has played a particular blinder. I imagine for example that there would be little praise for Celtic and much criticism of Barcelona in the Spanish press after their defeat in the champions league, which when you consider the ratio of resources available to each team is a reasonable comparison. I could be wrong, the Spanish press could have been singing celtics praises, but I do think it is human nature. When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson the focus was not in how good Douglas was but on what Tyson had done wrong.

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paulonotiniPosted on10:46 pm - Feb 14, 2014


Re BDO/RFC 2012 & Others v Collyer Bristow

Further to my post at 10.35pm re the above
the following entries appeared on Chancery Court lists for Monday 17/2/14

COURT 17
Before MR JUSTICE NEWEY
Monday, 17 February 2014
At half past 10
GENERAL LIST
2003 of 2012 Cohen & anr v Collyer Bristow LLP & ors
INTERIM HEARINGS LIST
HC12E01526 RFC 2012 Plc v Collyer Bristow LLP
HC12E01526 Same v Same

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-chancery-judges

Any legals who can explain?
Cheers.

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TSFMPosted on10:47 pm - Feb 14, 2014


Ryan G

TSFM I see what you’re saying, but I think a lot of that is just due to the fact that Celtic would have been expected to beat Aberdeen and therefore it counts as a shock, in those situations I think it is normal practice for any mainstream media to focus on the failure of the big team unless the “wee” team has played a particular blinder

That’s exactly the point Ryan. It shouldn’t be normal practice to the extent that the sole focus is on the defeated team.

My memory of the Celtic successes against Barca over the last ten years or so is that Celtic were getting written up big tie by the press (both here and in Catalonia). It’s fine to point to the failures of a group of players, but it’s insulting to see that as the only reason for the result(s).

The arrogance of the MSM’s Glasgow slant is akin to the bi-annual lambasting of the England team when they come home from a tournament, calling for the manager and players’ heads because they were the only reasons for the latest failure.

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GeronimosCadillacPosted on10:48 pm - Feb 14, 2014


TSFM says:
February 14, 2014 at 10:25 pm

One of the lessons I have learned through RTC and here is just how parochial the OF paradigm was.

One of the reasons that Celtic are getting it point-blank from the media is that there is a total failure to see what happened last week as a big success for Aberdeen, instead looking at it from a negative Celtic perspective. It is strange though, that most Celtic fans I have spoken to in the last week have been relatively uncontaminated by that negative posture.

I still think that even non-OF clubs saw the game through that flawed prism as well – and the survival of 11-1 in my opinion is some evidence that the angle of view has not shifted as much as it needs to.
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Good to hear you learned a lesson by engaging with non OF fans. We were there to be engaged with before but then Rangers were uncovered as villans and so that helped advance the struggle.

I have always rejected the OF prism and it is extremely patronising of you to suggest I ever accepted it but then you are looking at it through the failed but sainted prism again aren’t you?

The latest 11-1 was preserved by Aberdeen being perverse and as I recall there was a lot of bullying on here of the Diddy clubs by the unelected but semi official Celtic propogandists.

Now that my team and Hearts fans gain more influence at their clubs and move toward community ownership as opposed to market listing football in Scotland can thrive again.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on11:09 pm - Feb 14, 2014


RyanGosling says:

February 14, 2014 at 10:40 pm

I’d agree with you to a certain extent, Ryan, but the examples you give are basically one-offs. The Spanish press, and population, have little, or no, interest in Celtic. The same could be said of most clubs outside Spain with one or two exceptions. Their dismissal of Celtic’s achievement is of no consequence to any Celtic supporter not living in Spain. Mike Tyson was a boxing legend (though of dubious character) and his defeat was, in that sport, naturally the biggest news story for years. Unfortunate for Douglas that he was not the big news story in his own country, but if he’d had Tyson’s success he’d become the big story.

What we have seen with the coverage of Aberdeen’s victory has been happening for as long as I’ve followed football, and that’s a very long time 😥 . It is Scottish football and Aberdeen are the second (or thereabouts) best team in Scotland. They are already in one cup final. If any Scottish team could be expected to beat Celtic, it is them. Aberdeen’s good play should have been equally covered in the Scottish media as Celtic’s failings. Indeed, after the wringing of hands over Armageddon less than two years ago, it should have been the natural progression for the media to be salivating over the result, in a positive way towards Aberdeen, and not negatively towards Celtic. that is another example of how, over the years, the SMSM has held back the progress of teams like Aberdeen when they are on the up, by treating them as the supporting act in the main play that was the OF, and so making them less attractive to potential new supporters.

Of course, this latest ignorance has nothing to do with trying to make Celtic look more important than Aberdeen, or any other club. It is all to do with their continued ‘get TRFC into the Premiership’ campaign.

At least here, on TSFM, clubs who perform well, or do something worthwhile, get as good a coverage as the top club in Scotland. Another thing the SMSM could learn from internet bampots.

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FisianiPosted on11:24 pm - Feb 14, 2014


Boardroom meeting at Ibrox today. Expect statement from marble steps Monday morning……….

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on11:25 pm - Feb 14, 2014


Ally do you really think the media have “held back” teams like Aberdeen? As in do you think teams like Aberdeen have actually been negatively impacted by the attitude or stories in the media? For clarity it’s a genuine question and I’m not being snarky. On consideration of that I have a couple of my own thoughts but I’d be interested to hear you expand on that point.

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redlichtiePosted on11:43 pm - Feb 14, 2014


Fisiani 11:24pm – inside knowledge or kite flying?

Scottish Football needs a strong Arbroath.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:02 am - Feb 15, 2014


Ryan,
Yes. But then I come from a time when the newspapers were more or less the media, and the minimal television coverage was, well Glasgow based too, and the OF were included in almost every programme (of only one or two games on each of two channels). There was less effect on adult supporters, but the glorification of the OF went a long way to convince impressionable kids to support one of the big two, rather in the way that the hype of programmes like the X Factor influence the music youngsters like now. With so much TV coverage now, it’s perhaps less likely to have such a great effect, as they can see for themselves. As a young Rangers supporter you would never have known what it’s like to see your team have a great result on a Saturday, one you are looking forward to reading how great your team was in the Sunday papers, only to read a report of how bad your, bigger and more successful, opponents had been? Or to read excuses for them losing.

Now, of course, the motivation of the media is quite different, as there is no OF, and their darlings aren’t playing Celtic or Aberdeen much. A similar thing is happening with the coverage of TRFC in the lower leagues, where the media can’t actually find too much good to say about the quality of their play, so they slate their opponents instead for not actually playing the way TRFC would like them to. Sort of a reverse scenario from their coverage of Celtic.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:06 am - Feb 15, 2014


After this rather uneventful Valentines Day my bed beckons. Goodnight to everyone still looking in 🙂

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fergussingsthebluesPosted on12:10 am - Feb 15, 2014


Really interesting debate tonight re-SSB. I agree, Keevins really does seem to be sticking the boot into Celtic for some reason.

Let’s get some facts on the table.

Cup Ties are what they are, Cup Ties! It’s a one-off game, winner takes all, etc.

The fact is, both Morton and Aberdeen have defeated Celtic in one-off games, that’s how it works! Good luck to them.

Same as saying good luck to Maribor when they kicked RFC out of Europe a few years ago.

Football is a basic game, it’s 11 players Vs 11 other players. The team that scores the most goals wins!

It really is that simple, believe me!

Unfortunately, people like Keevins don’t like giving credit to the winning team, as he’d rather try and justify his living/ salary by slagging the bigger team who lost. That gives him bigger kudos, and get some of us hunting him down as if he has some sort of agenda.

He’s one of many Leeches with a Typewriter who couldn’t hit a Barn Door from 2 yards, but feels well qualified to dictate to everyone how bad football is in Scotland at the moment, according to him!

That’s the game they play in the SMSM. Keevins isn’t the only Numpty playing the game, we hear it nightly from the rest of the sychopants on main stream radio. They’re all determined to keep the divide going, as long as it suits their present careers, unless you’re a Numpty like JT who jumped from the Good Ship SMSM to the Titanic called Sevco! What’s JT doing now? That’s probably Hugh’s worry as well, BTW.

As I said, cup ties are a one-off, may the best team win.

I’m older now, but I well remember Cup finals from the past. Some were predictable, others were upsets! Funningly enough, and I don’t know if it’s just me, but I could probably tell you Cup winners in a certain year above who actually won the league in the same year. That’s what Cup Finals do!

The first Scottish Final I remember is Aberdeen beating Celtic 3-1 in 1970, I was nearly 9 years old. Derek MacKay became famous as “Cup Tie MacKay”, but my abiding memory was my hero at the time, Joe Harper, scoring with a penalty.

My next memory was in 1972, Dixie Deans destroying Hibs with a Hat Trick (6-1). He became my next hero, and I was privelaged to be his paper boy later on. He later also scored a Hat Trick against Hibs in the League Cup Final in I think 1974, 6-3 was the final score! Joey Harper scored all 3 Hibs goals that day as well, and ended up on the losing side.

I could go on for ever here, PT in 1971, Rae, Lawrie, McQuade & Bone, St Mirren in 1987, Motherwell in 1991, etc There are many more, Dundee 1973 for example.

It’s just a game between 22 players on a pitch at one time.

As I said, MSM punters like Keevins are on a Self- Preservation crusade, and at the end of the day, it’s up to you whether you want to be wound up or not by them?

Also, to finish, despite what I said earlier about remembering dates of Cup Winners rather than League Winners, League Winners deserve probably more credit, as they have gone through a whole campaign to reach the top.

Cup competitions are exciting, but it all depends on the luck of the draw, and how a team plays on the day, after all you don’t get a second chance uness it’s a draw and you get a replay.

I don’t understand why Keevins can’t give credit where it’s due to the team that wins?

As I said, It’s a simple game. The team that scores the most is the winner.

Hugh might like to look it up and grow a pair?

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Bawsman

BawsmanPosted on12:24 am - Feb 15, 2014


fergussingstheblues says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:10 am
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Why does this idiots opinion bother you? Most folk ignore the tabloids these days mate.

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GeronimosCadillacPosted on12:34 am - Feb 15, 2014


ergussingstheblues says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:10 am

Really interesting debate tonight re-SSB. I agree, Keevins really does seem to be sticking the boot into Celtic for some reason.
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He’s not. He’s following the line given to/or adopted by him at the editorial they have before the show goes on. It pulls Celtic fans in because talking about Rangers existance takes a back seat and we can then talk of their M’Coisterplan to win the CUP.

Derek is just asked to repeat every hour on the hour similar to this : “every managers instruction should try to keep it tight out there for the first 20 minutes and see how the other team react”

What really annoys me with SSB these days is Frankie McAvennie’s involuntary snorting up the nose on microphone. Snort it SSB!

Respect to Frankie though for doing the Johnstone Burgh 50th Anniversary Scottish Cup Winners thing. Gang Forward The Burgh!!

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jockybhoyPosted on12:43 am - Feb 15, 2014


Sorry to disagree with you Ryan but when Celtic beat Barca all the coverage was of The Great Wall (forster). Seems the Catalan press can give credit where it is due…

The tone of the press coverage is.obvious to me:

Rangers have been painted.by the SMSM, the SFA and the SP(F)L as being the only thing that will stop the domination of Celtic, hence why we all “need” a strong Rangers. It doesn’t suit their narrative that other teams can.beat The ‘Tic, so it must be Celtic’s failure rather than Aberdeen’s success that decided the tie…

Simples. :mrgreen:

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GeronimosCadillacPosted on12:51 am - Feb 15, 2014


jockybhoy says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:43 am

Sorry to disagree with you Ryan but when Celtic beat Barca all the coverage was of The Great Wall (forster). Seems the Catalan press can give credit where it is due…

The tone of the press coverage is.obvious to me:
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Two Clubs wrecked Scottish Football with their money grabbing tendencies and anti competition ethos – only one of them is still in existence – they are getting less competitive by the match.

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fergussingsthebluesPosted on12:58 am - Feb 15, 2014


GeronimosCadillac says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:34 am
fergussingstheblues says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:10 am

Really interesting debate tonight re-SSB. I agree, Keevins really does seem to be sticking the boot into Celtic for some reason.
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Respect to Frankie though for doing the Johnstone Burgh 50th Anniversary Scottish Cup Winners thing. Gang Forward The Burgh!!
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Ah! Keanie Park, good memories. I’ve got a really good soft spot for Johnstone Burgh.

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GeronimosCadillacPosted on1:13 am - Feb 15, 2014


fergussingstheblues says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:58 am
GeronimosCadillac says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:34 am
fergussingstheblues says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:10 am

Really interesting debate tonight re-SSB. I agree, Keevins really does seem to be sticking the boot into Celtic for some reason.
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Respect to Frankie though for doing the Johnstone Burgh 50th Anniversary Scottish Cup Winners thing. Gang Forward The Burgh!!
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Ah! Keanie Park, good memories. I’ve got a really good soft spot for Johnstone Burgh.
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It wiz where Frankie Bhoy started his career after Possil YM. Then he went doon hill and joined St Mirren then it wiz the Sellik. The downward spiral continued when he joined Wet Spam.

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Bill1903

Bill1903Posted on8:31 am - Feb 15, 2014


As an Aberdeen fan I’ve always wondered why we voted to retain the 11-1 voting system.

I can only think there was some mistrust that some of the other clubs may be Sevco apologists.

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Shooperb

ShooperbPosted on8:54 am - Feb 15, 2014


Bill, I think perhaps Aberdeen saw an opportunity for themselves to step into Rangers shoes.

They are the club best placed to do that. They’ve got the history of success, the potential fan base, everything really, and they have also been the one club to vote with the Old Firm on previous matters.

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jockybhoyPosted on9:00 am - Feb 15, 2014


GeronimosCAdillac:

“two Clubs wrecked Scottish Football with their money grabbing tendencies and anti competition ethos – only one of them is still in existence – they are getting less competitive by the match”

– sorry surely Celtic getting beaten means the matches are getting more competitive?

Scottish football wrecked Scottish football. From the original SPHell to.the.ill-fated Setanta deal that left everyone high and dry, the.failure of the.authorities.to monitor teams financial strength, i.could on but all these issues have been covered on here over months past.

But no, a couple of.big boys did it and ran away…

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FIFAPosted on9:25 am - Feb 15, 2014


Interesting reading about SSB ,I dont tune in but going with what has been said on here they have missed the biggest talking point of the year so far ,the emergence of another good Scottish manager,Aberdeen have always been the 3rd team since Fergy moved on and his act was always going to be dificult to follow ,until now,their present manager has always shown a flair with his teams ,are there people out there that are really surprised with last weeks result ,the dissapointment for me is the SSB should have been playing to the listeners by stating if this is what his team can do to a full strength Celtic what will they do to teams from lower leagues,McCoist for Manager of the year,your having a laugh.

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SmugasPosted on9:53 am - Feb 15, 2014


I vividly recall after one of “the votes” re someone’s SPL access a noteably annoyed Stewart Milne saying something like “we didn’t like the proposal presented and we didn’t think much of planB either”

The 11-1 vote was shortly afterwards.

I may of course be reading too much into it.

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rabtdogPosted on9:57 am - Feb 15, 2014


“two clubs wrecked Scottish football” – well, not exactly but…
Murray certainly put Rangers ahead of the pack from the late eighties then McCann’s business acumen saw Celtic catch up with them in the mid nineties… from that point, Scottish football felt like it was being run for the benefit of the Old Firm… one season apart (Hearts), they finished as the top two; OF season ticket holders could enjoy a big game atmosphere and a string of domestic home wins as well as glamour Champions League games; television & prize money was weighted heavily in favour of the top two; the press and broadcast media, much of it based in Glasgow, focused on the top two, from Glasgow; to try and make the top flight competitive, other clubs spent money they didn’t have and got into debt (Aberdeen, Kilmarnock) or suffered insolvency events (Dundee, Motherwell, Livingston, others). By and large, the football authorities and the media seemed quite happy with this from around 1995-2012, when Rangers went into admin.
Many things have “wrecked Scottish football” including attitudes to children and their play, the shift to a service industry economy, technological innovation, affordability, a significant increase in other leisure time options and a number of other issues. Running Scottish football as if it was a competition between two clubs while maintaining the charade of a national league structure for 17 years or so hardly helped however.

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ecobhoyPosted on10:15 am - Feb 15, 2014


Shooperb says:
February 15, 2014 at 8:54 am

Bill, I think perhaps Aberdeen saw an opportunity for themselves to step into Rangers shoes. They are the club best placed to do that. They’ve got the history of success, the potential fan base, everything really, and they have also been the one club to vote with the Old Firm on previous matters.
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Quite simply, with the absence of Rangers, there is a rare opportunity for a few teams to resurrect past glory and I can’t think of anything better for Scottish Football.

And I don’t just refer to Cup Games but also to the League despite the fact that Celtic are walking it this year. I honestly think things could get tighter there in future especially if Celtic fail to make the CL group stages for a couple of years because of failure in the qualifying rounds.

Obviously as a Celtic supporter I want my team to win but never at all costs. I want to see exciting victories won by skilled footballers and, for me, part of that means playing against teams with ability and fire in their belly knowing they have a chance of a result. I am not interested in notching-up points against cannon fodder which might gain some silverware for my club bvut in the long run will help destroy the Scottish Game through lack of interest IMO.

Nothing could illustrate my feelings than our recent cup defeat by Aberdeen who were oiutstanding and well-deserved their win. I don’t know a single Celtic supporter who begrudges them their victory and who doesn’t acknowledge that on the day they were a better footballing side and had so much more desire to win.

Yea it hurt but demonstrates we have to do better to lift silverware! At the end of the day we have no right to win – we have to fight and earn every victory just like every other team.

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valentinesclown

valentinesclownPosted on10:36 am - Feb 15, 2014


SSB phone in. Scotland’s shameful radio station
SMSM also Scotland’s’ shameful press.
Shame on anyone who listens to it or buys a red top paper.
Social Media thank you..

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Lord WobblyPosted on10:53 am - Feb 15, 2014


FIFA says:
February 15, 2014 at 9:25 am
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Interesting reading about SSB, I dont tune in but going with what has been said on here they have missed the biggest talking point of the year so far, the emergence of another good Scottish manager, Aberdeen have always been the 3rd team since Fergy moved on and his act was always going to be dificult to follow, until now,their present manager has always shown a flair with his teams, are there people out there that are really surprised with last weeks result, the dissapointment for me is the SSB should have been playing to the listeners by stating if this is what his team can do to a full strength Celtic what will they do to teams from lower leagues, McCoist for Manager of the year, you’re having a laugh.
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Is it reasonable to assume that the ‘Manager of the Month’ awards are a guide to the yearly award?

As things stand, in the Premiership, Neil Lennon has just taken the lead with two. Butcher, McInnes, Wright and McNamara are all on one. It’s all to play for.

In the Championship, Grant Murray appears to have a similar leading by a nose position. Who won in January?

In League One, Stephen Aitken is in the lead with three, to McCoist’s two.

In League Two it’s all to play for with a different manager winning each month thus far.

It’ll be interesting to see who wins the awards in the remaining months. Personally, I’m leaning towards McInnes, although if Lennon gets through the league undefeated…? (I doubt it will happen, I think they’ll drop points once the league title is secured).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_Professional_Football_League_monthly_award_winners

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valentinesclown

valentinesclownPosted on10:57 am - Feb 15, 2014


In fact looking back at the press coverage of Fergus McCann and the lack of social media at the time, fans had to rely on press for most of information regarding football. Fergus was portrayed in such a manner by the SMSM that it turned some of Celtic fans opinion of him. Shame on them (the press) and pity we did not have level of social media then that we have now. Well done Fergus, shame on SMSM.

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FIFAPosted on11:06 am - Feb 15, 2014


You will be telling me next that Shug and co actually get paid for fronting that show ,please dont.

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erniePosted on11:10 am - Feb 15, 2014


Hey guys, wid ye dinna? As they say up here.
Let’s see what pans out over the season before we put Aberdeen up on a pedestal (see Dun Utd, mini-messi, tayside barca and all that) and tout McInnes as manage of the year . ICT in the LC and the other Scottish Cup QFinalists might have something to say about that. Not to mention Smurn today!
I suspect if you asked McInnes he’d say the same.
Let’s leave the succulent mutton to the MSM. Most Dons fans are just enjoying the armageddon.

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twopandaPosted on11:16 am - Feb 15, 2014


sevco5088 + CG? ‘ @companies hse
what have I missed?

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Corrupt Official

Corrupt OfficialPosted on11:46 am - Feb 15, 2014


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-boss-ally-mccoist-can-3147417.

So Rangers had £30m of talent.
Maybe somebody should have told Duff & Phelps.

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Tif FinnPosted on11:52 am - Feb 15, 2014


It seems the Rangers manager thinks they might need to spend £30m to compete in the top division. I think it’s fair to say he really doesn’t understand the position they are in, or in fact he does and is distracting the support from that reality.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/mccoist-rangers-may-need-30m-to-return-to-top-1-3307214

McCoist: Rangers may need £30m to return to top

ALLY McCoist believes Rangers may need to spend as much as £30 million on strengthening their squad if they hope to mount a serious challenge for the Premiership title in two years’ time.

Speaking on the second ­anniversary of the Ibrox club ­entering administration, the manager expressed his hope Rangers are finally emerging from the darkest and most turbulent period in their history.

With his team’s projected return to the top flight of Scottish football for the 2015-16 season on schedule as they close in on the League 1 title, McCoist insists significant funding will be required to restore them to pre-administration standards on the pitch. “Whether we are contenders again in two years will depend on a number of things,” said McCoist. “One of them will be investment in the team, along with stability at boardroom level which is vitally important.

“If we get that, then I’d be very hopeful we’d be back in the top league and have a better chance of bringing in the quality of player to enable us to compete at the top of that league.

“It’s difficult to put a figure on how much investment we need. But if you lose in the region of £30m worth of players as we did because of administration – players like Nikica Jelavic, Steven Davis, Allan McGregor, Steven Whittaker and all those boys – then I would think that standard of player needs to get replaced.

“I’m not saying £30m is the exact figure, but that’s roughly what we’ve lost. Some will argue it might be more than that, some might say a little bit less.

“But my point is that you can’t lose that, not replace it and then expect to compete at the top level.” McCoist’s playing budget will be determined by recently appointed chief executive, Graham Wallace who is half-way through his 120-day ­review of Rangers’ business ­operations and cost structure.

Among McCoist’s priorities is the reinstatement of a scouting network at the club which has been completely dismantled over the past two years.

“Graham and I speak a lot and we will be having another meeting today at Ibrox,” added McCoist. “He hasn’t indicated to me where he is with it at the moment, but I don’t have any doubt once he’s done his ­review we will sit down and look ­longer term, in terms of ­players for next season, in terms of budget for next season, in terms of our scouting, in terms of ­Murray Park and development of ­football.

“There is a lot of work to be done and a lot of things to be discussed which I know he’s looking forward to and I certainly am as well. I haven’t mentioned a figure to him yet – you’ve dragged that out of me! But it will have to be mentioned at some point, absolutely.

“I’ve been invited to board meetings, which I look forward to, to discuss the first team, the under-20s and the youth system. It will all be brought up, as will the scouting which needs to be addressed immediately.

“Scouting is an immediate concern, particularly now as we are heavily into the rebuilding process for the club – short, middle and long-term. If we’ve not got a scouting department, which we don’t have, then that is plainly far from ideal.

“It’s absolutely staggering that we don’t have a scouting ­department. That’s through no fault of Graham Wallace or ­anyone on the current board – but it is our problem which needs addressed.”

With short-term funding an obvious concern for Rangers, rumours have persisted regarding the possibility of another insolvency event, but McCoist remains comfortable with the assurances to the contrary he has received from Wallace.

“He has categorically told me that will not be the case,” said McCoist. “He told me once and if that changed he would have told me otherwise. He told me that’s not the case and that’s good enough for me and I’d fully expect in the relationship I have with him, if the goalposts had moved in that direction he’d have told me.”

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FIFAPosted on11:54 am - Feb 15, 2014


Ernie
Furryboots are ye comming fae,I wasnt touting McInnes as manager of the year ,there has been recent mutterings from the mutton brigade starting the Ally for manager of the year campaign ,the guy at the very least deserved some credit for the result last week and apologies if I missed it but I may have blinked this week ,as I dont tune in to SSB I may be wrong and they gave the guy full coverage but I dont imagine they have the mindset to appreciate anything outside of govan for praise.But come to think of it ,McInnes must be up there.Did you get your quinnie something nice for Valentines day

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Tartanwulver

TartanwulverPosted on12:06 pm - Feb 15, 2014


A quote from
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/15/bayern-munich-arsenal-champions-league-philipp-lahm

“Domestically, Bayern have just advanced to the DFB Cup semi-final with an effortless 5-0 destruction of Hamburg and are unbeaten in 20 outings in the league. The Bavarians are so far ahead of the competition (second-placed Leverkusen are 13 points adrift) that the Dortmund ceo Hans-Joachim Watzke has bemoaned “Scottish conditions” in Germany’s top flight.”

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CastofthousandsPosted on12:10 pm - Feb 15, 2014


GeronimosCadillac says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:51 am

“Two Clubs wrecked Scottish Football with their money grabbing tendencies and anti competition ethos – only one of them is still in existence – they are getting less competitive by the match.”
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Well said but in the spirit of open discussion I’d like to offer a counterpoint.

Its worse than the old ‘England in ’66’ mantra but I will reference Celtic in 1967. Had this incident not occurred then I don’t think there would have been significant pressure on Rangers to emulate the feat. It was a one off cup game anyway. Cup competitions by their very nature involve slices of luck but the record cannot now be altered.

For Rangers to claim a superiority in the Scottish game this event was an indelible blemish on History. David Murray tried to eclipse it (was he ably assisted?) and got close to doing so. However in the process he needed to monopolise just about all the cash reserves in Scottish football and a big bit more besides. Celtic could have just stood back and let him get on with it but the ‘Firm’ isn’t called that for nothing. The rivalry was required to generate revenue.

Now following the unfortunate implosion of Murray et al’s plan, the other big boy in the playground has no-one to play with. He needs to wait until the other kids get a bit bigger or his old pal recovers from his illness. It would be quite nice if both these events coincided in my opinion. In the mean time,, Celtic have lost a little bit of their raison d’etre and are probably learning that it was an unhealthy outlook in the first place (look what it did to their old buddy). Change happens in the absence of stagnancy. You need to embrace it and try to look forward to where it might lead.

There are two kinds of winners in this world I think.

One winner wins at all cost and is happy to see his opponents crushed in the process.

The other wants to win something they perceive as valuable. They want to win in fair competition.

The second of these could be viewed as a bit naive and not really a winner at all. We cannot all be winners. Learning to lose is one of the formative character building traits for a human being. It ranks alongside being magnanimous in victory. I think the world has lost sight of this.

Yours sincerely,

I. M. Loser

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upthehoopsPosted on12:37 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Tif Finn says:
February 15, 2014 at 11:52 am
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It used to be £50M worth of players McCoist claimed he’d lost, but in my view both figures are total nonsense, and it’s high time he was asked to break it down rather than just being given an unchallenged platform to say it.
Does he think for example Naismith would have fetched £10M, or Whittaker £5M?

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:48 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Tif Finn says:
February 15, 2014 at 11:52 am

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A manager of Ally McCoist’s limited talent would need at the very least £30m – but prefereably a blank cheque – to buy the level of success to which a complacent fanbase that has followed a club that has routinely spent beyond its means to the detriment of the sport has become accustomed.

However, I would riposte that a competent manager – with the buy in of a strong and engaged and realistic supporter base – could quite probably achieve a similar success organically and sustainably, albeit over a longer time frame by operating within the means available to a heavily restructured Ibrox club.

And I would not be surprised or disappointed if this was the view that Wallace and a decent contingent of bears like Ryan might arrive at – finally!.

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Tif FinnPosted on1:05 pm - Feb 15, 2014


For McCoist to “value” the players registered to the team at that time as if they were employed by a vibrant healthy club is disingenuous anyway. That is not the reality of the situation. It was a club in administration from February and as such any transfer fees would have reflected that position.

I know they didn’t think the normal rules of administration applied to them, they even tried to bring a player in. However as clubs who have been through the process know players are sold at a fraction of their “normal” value simply to bring money in and get them off the wage bill.

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on1:24 pm - Feb 15, 2014


McCoist’s latest, where do you start? I think his popularity amongst Rangers fans is over-exaggerated by his friends in the media. All the fans I know are absolutely fed up with him. The tactics and signings, pre and post administration, have been extremely poor. His comments to the media and opinions on events of the last few years have been nothing short of embarrassing. It goes beyond the cliché of trying to create a siege mentality within the club. Football has moved on and left him behind but he is unable/unwilling to see this.

I stopped supporting Rangers years ago but I remember at the time my brother and I were of the opinion that everyone connected to nine in a row needed to be shown the door at Ibrox. These ‘Rangers men’ and their view of how you become successful (tactics are over rated, scrap, fight and grind out victories, spend millions) was as outdated and unhelpful then as it is now. This is still McCoists view. A dinosaur.

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Danish PastryPosted on1:31 pm - Feb 15, 2014


There is a kind of double-speak on this blog regarding the media at the moment.

Not only is there a danger of elitist arrogance, but also of downright hypocrisy.

Within the space of a few posts the red tops and broadcast media are castigated, and anyone who reads them described as shameful. A few posts further down, there’s a link to the DR with 15 TUs, so far!

I’m sensing: tabloid print & broadcast media = good when it confirms our prejudices and = bad when it doesn’t. Otherwise, always good for a bit of po-faced offence.

I think we have to separate our own personal disgust with tabloid journalism and the efforts of this blog, and posters on it, to highlight all sections of the media, including the tabloids. It’s pretty telling that most of the outrage and expert opinion comes from folks who don’t actually read or listen to the ‘outrageous’ content.

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Danish PastryPosted on1:43 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Tartanwulver says:
February 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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A quote from
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/15/bayern-munich-arsenal-champions-league-philipp-lahm

“Domestically, Bayern have just advanced to the DFB Cup semi-final with an effortless 5-0 destruction of Hamburg and are unbeaten in 20 outings in the league. The Bavarians are so far ahead of the competition (second-placed Leverkusen are 13 points adrift) that the Dortmund ceo Hans-Joachim Watzke has bemoaned “Scottish conditions” in Germany’s top flight.”
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Es ist Armageddon 🙂

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redlichtiePosted on1:44 pm - Feb 15, 2014


From Companies House – financial musical chairs at Sevco 5088 :

TM01 14/02/2014 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR LAW FINANCIAL LIMITED
TM01 14/02/2014 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR CRAIG WHYTE
TM01 14/02/2014 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR AIDAN EARLEY
AP01 13/02/2014 DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR CHARLES ALEXANDER GREEN
AD01 13/02/2014 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 13/02/2014 FROM, 48 SKYLINES VILLAGE, LIMEHARBOUR, LONDON, E14 9TS, ENGLAND
AP01 04/02/2014 DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR CRAIG THOMAS WHYTE
AP02 03/02/2014 CORPORATE DIRECTOR APPOINTED LAW FINANCIAL LIMITED
AD01 03/02/2014 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 03/02/2014 FROM, 35 VINE STREET, LONDON, EC3N 2AA
AP01 03/02/2014 DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR AIDAN CHAD EDMUND EARLEY
AD01 31/01/2014 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 31/01/2014 FROM, 48 SKYLINES VILLAGE, LIMEHARBOUR, LONDON, E14 9TS
TM01 31/01/2014 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR AIDAN EARLEY
TM01 31/01/2014 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR CRAIG WHYTE

Scottish Football needs to keep Companies House clerks in a job.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on1:45 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Some genuine good news to offset the doom and gloom of armageddon…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-26155942

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upthehoopsPosted on1:47 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Excellent stuff again this morning from Glenn Gibbons

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/glenn-gibbons-no-point-in-mccann-rangers-parallel-1-3307232#.Uv74T8JLM9w.twitter

ON THE approach to 4 March, the 20th anniversary of Fergus McCann’s acquisition of Celtic, we will witness a predictable, spreading rash of revisionism among many, from supporters to media, who passed most of his five years in Scotland casting the entrepreneur as a figure of ridicule and who now clamour for his immortalisation in marble or bronze.

This outbreak will be accompanied by an equally unsurprising rush to relate Rangers’ troubles in recent years to those of their great rivals two decades ago and to conclude that what the lurching Ibrox club require above all is a latter-day Fergus McCann.

The first of these two phenomena will be occasionally hilarious as the rewriting of the public and media perception of the Scots-Canadian proliferates; the second of them will be merely laughable.

To draw parallels between the circumstances that drew McCann across the Atlantic from Montreal in 1994 and those which caused Rangers to slither into administration two years ago yesterday is to dwell on a comparison that has no validity.

The would-be rescuer’s confidence in Celtic’s prospects of being restored to health and prosperity two decades ago may be detected in the fact that he attempted to bring his influence to the club several years before, only to be rebuffed by a hopelessly aloof board of directors. McCann had ­clearly recognised the potential for recovery, but it was most tellingly articulated by Len Murray, the ­well-known Glasgow lawyer, during an extraordinary general meeting of shareholders when the financial crisis was at its most dangerous.

Murray told the assembly that the club’s debt stood at around £7 million and that its basic value was £20,000; that is, 20,000 ordinary shares at £1 each. “No company in the history of business,” Murray concluded, “has ­survived liabilities amounting to three hundred and fifty times its ­capital value.”

The lawyer, of course, did not mean that the debt had become unmanageable, but that the club was ludicrously undervalued. This was due to the anachronistic, scandalous regulations of the private limited company, which decreed that shares could only be traded with the blessing of the directors and that board members should have first refusal on any that became available. Most significantly of all, the shares were not allowed to “float” to their true value, as a result of which directors were able to purchase them for around £3 each.

They were, naturally, allowed to soar to their proper price when McCann came buying. Bulk holders such as Michael Kelly, Chris White and David Smith commanded around £300 per share, a form of hardball that left McCann understandably resentful over the disappearance into their pockets of funds that could have been used in the resuscitation of the business.

What mattered most to McCann, however, was that the outdated management of the club had created a mess in which crowds were down to well under 20,000 – in one or two instances, struggling to reach five figures – and that the previous regime had insisted on a limit of only 7,000 season tickets, on the preposterous basis that “season tickets are more trouble than they’re worth”.

It is a measure of the persuasiveness of McCann’s personality and his formal business plan that Dermot Desmond, the Irish money machine who had no previous interest in football, should be so readily recruited as a major investor. The two men were introduced by Robert Lee, then a young professional golfer and now a pundit on Sky Television, who told Desmond that “there’s somebody here I think you should meet”.

In a lengthy conversation in his suite at the Dorchester Hotel in London a couple of years later, Desmond told me that he had taken one look at ­McCann’s business plan and asked him one question: “How much do you want?” When he was told that taking £4m worth of stock in the upcoming share issue would be advisable, ­Desmond asked a second question: “Do you want any more?”

The Irishman added that “it was clear from the start that Fergus would make a success of it. There was no way this was going to fail. I told him that if he wanted any further investment down the line, I would be very happy to oblige”.

McCann not only built a new, 60,000-seat stadium, but finished up with 53,000 season-ticket holders, a miracle of marketing that brought full houses to Celtic Park for opposition teams who would, in the past, have lacked the drawing power of a ­Christmas cracker magnet.

The single most significant difference between the commercial naivety of clueless directors that brought Celtic to its knees and the appalling 
financial excesses of David Murray that led eventually to Rangers’ ­liquidation is that the latter club was left with little or no scope for recovery. Rangers hit the wall when they ­already enjoyed capacity crowds, record season-ticket sales and ­maximum annual turnover.

These details are among a number of reasons why it is impossible to imagine a conversation and a transaction between two possibly life-saving investors in present-day Rangers such as took place between McCann and Desmond 20 years ago.

Far from thriving on new-found revenue streams, Rangers are haemorrhaging money because they have no credit lines, the need to pay for services and supplies on delivery being the most damaging consequence of their previous actions in leaving creditors seriously disadvantaged.

Fergus McCann once agreed that “it would have been cheaper to go into liquidation, but it would not have been the right thing for Celtic to do”. It was a nifty seizure of the moral high ground, but, given his record, he should be credited with the nous also to have realised that, in the long term, administration and liquidation would have been an unacceptably ­expensive business.

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incredibleadamsparkPosted on1:48 pm - Feb 15, 2014


valentinesclown says:
In fact looking back at the press coverage of Fergus McCann and the lack of social media at the time, fans had to rely on press for most of information regarding football. Fergus was portrayed in such a manner by the SMSM that it turned some of Celtic fans opinion of him. Shame on them (the press) and pity we did not have level of social media then that we have now. Well done Fergus, shame on SMSM.
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I don’t think the views of some of the Celtic support were informed by the SMSM. I recall it as the supporters actually agreeing with the press at the time. They wanted millions to be spent on players, regardless of what Rangers were doing, because that is what football had become. McCann was positively loathed by a fairly large section of the Celtic support that disagreed with his stewardship of the club and still is by a few I know. I have no idea why, though.

There is revisionism on here about McCann and the press get the blame for the behaviour of Celtic fans towards him. Fans need to take ownership of how they treated him at the time.

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BawsmanPosted on1:58 pm - Feb 15, 2014


incredibleadamspark

I loved him at the time and still do. There were a few who boo’d him but they were drowned out instantly by the overwhelming majority.
The SMSM went to town on Celtic and McCann in particular, who can forget the comparison with Saddam Hussain?
Some gullible people in the support, even to this day, buy the Daily Record and Sun, there is no accounting for idiots.

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ecobhoyPosted on2:07 pm - Feb 15, 2014


incredibleadamspark says:
February 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm

There is revisionism on here about McCann and the press get the blame for the behaviour of Celtic fans towards him. Fans need to take ownership of how they treated him at the time.
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I agree with what you have said but it should be remembered that it wasn’t all fans although as the years pass the ‘collective memory’ keeps reducing the size of those opposed to him – such is the way of the world IMO.

However the hard-core who still have issues with McCann have them not because of his tight-grip on the purse strings re buying players but because of the way he was determined to clean-up certain aspects of fan behaviour which I totally supported then and still do. However to go further really is a Celtic-only issue and not for here IMO.

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coineanachantaighePosted on2:07 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Danish Pastry says:
February 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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There may be a little flurry of that at the moment, DP, but the Herald and Scotsman – our two main ‘broadsheet’ papers – have elicited criticism on this blog in the past.

As an aside I’m a bit for ‘elitism’ in this sense: lots of folk who haven’t had for whatever reason a decent education are perfectly capable of working out stuff for themselves and having very worthwhile opinions. (By the same token some otherwise smart and well-educated people can have their thought processes hampered by prejudices acquired in their upbringing.)

However we all need reliable information to work with. For many folk the old media of newspaper and TV is where they get most of this, by habit or lack of awareness of other sources. The fact that tabloids and programs like the SSSB cater to the lowest commonest denominator (what an expression) and distort facts on a regular basis – and not just in football matters – is a disgrace and a poison in our society.

I guess by ‘elitism’ (and I’m probably playing with words to make a point) I mean that everyone should be offered good quality information and there shouldn’t be an attitude that a certain part of society can only handle very short sentences and regurgitated pap – good quality information can be given in a straightforward and relatively brief way (as is required for some media) if the provider is good at their job. That’s what we need – good quality information providers providing good quality – and honest – information.

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jean7brodiePosted on2:13 pm - Feb 15, 2014


coineanachantaighe says:
February 15, 2014 at 2:07 pm
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Good points made coineanachantaighe. To sum up: We need the truth.

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TSFMPosted on2:16 pm - Feb 15, 2014


incredibleadamspark

Spot on about McCann. There is a great deal of revisionism. There are still former Celtic players who hate the sound of his name though. Ask David Hay and Murdo McLeod what they think 🙂
.. and if we could talk to Tam Burns?

To be fair, I am prepared to accept that those on here who say they always supported Fergus are genuine – I know that a very large minority of Celtic fans did support him – but I do think it is a stretch to accept that the MSM were single-handedly responsible for that. Had that been the case,, the current Celtic manager for example would not still be in post.

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No1 BobPosted on2:17 pm - Feb 15, 2014


redlichtie says:
February 15, 2014 at 1:44 pm

It wasn’t just Sevco 5088 that made changes to it’s directors yesterday.

Rangers International Football Club plc took the opportunity to remove Brian Stockbridge as a director. RIFC plc also removed him as a director from it’s subsidiary companies The Rangers Football Club ltd, Garrion Security Services ltd, Rangers Media ltd and Rangers Retail ltd.

Iain Graham Wallace is now the sole director on Garrion Security Services ltd and Rangers Media ltd. He is the sole Rangers representative on the board of Rangers Retail ltd.

At the same time a Philip Tudor Nash has replaced Brian Stockbridge as company secretary.

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Angus1983Posted on2:36 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Danish Pastry says:
February 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm

There is a kind of double-speak on this blog regarding the media at the moment.

Not only is there a danger of elitist arrogance, but also of downright hypocrisy.

Danish – the same has been true for many months, and not just with regard to the red-tops. Mr Spiers, for example, has gone from top to bottom and back again depending on whatever his latest spouting happens to be – and which half of the Old Firm he’s having a go at.

The Old Firm, by the way, appeared as an “entity” to have been blown apart – but the dripping fragments are slowly coalescing again. It’s like a 1950s horror film. Those who cannot foresee the return, to great fanfare, of the OF fall among the “none so blind” category.

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Tif FinnPosted on2:46 pm - Feb 15, 2014


It’s an entirely different World nowadays with regards the press and access to information and opinion.

The internet and in particular social media has totally changed the landscape.

Several decades ago people really only had newspapers, the radio and Saturday night highlights to go on. Sports reporters and broadcasters had an enormous influence on public opinion, whether it be positive or negative.

That has been totally overturned for a lot of people. Particularly with places like this, where what they say can be challenged and often be demonstrated to be little more than propaganda and press releases.

For example for years most people really believed that Sir David Murray had actually been putting his own money into Rangers and financing their success. This was put about and supported by the “succulent lamb” journalism of the time.

Things have changed for the better.

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sannoffymesssoitizzhizzemdyfonedrapolisPosted on2:50 pm - Feb 15, 2014


easyJambo says:
February 14, 2014 at 2:52 pm

Thanks for the additional information regarding the updated creditor list for Hearts.

Perhaps the amount “owed” to Rangers (whichever one it was?) have been netted off in the amount “owed” for the puchase of Lee Wallace?

Inverted commas used to highlight my opposition to the preferred creditor status of “footballing creditors” which i think should be addressed by an amendment to the Insolvency Act 1986 / The Insolvency Act (Scotland) 1986 and their associated Insolvency Rules.

Appreciate your informative replies and hope you Jambos have success at ITC today (as they have too few Scots in their squad for my liking).

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SmugasPosted on2:50 pm - Feb 15, 2014


It is quite telling though that ally has obviously said why did we have debt pre admin and someone has told him because he used to have players and then he didn’t. He clearly has no concept of what consistently making losses actually means. Reference also the spending 30m to get back. What, get back to then run dry again BECAUSE YOU’RE MAKING LOSSES!

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erniePosted on2:51 pm - Feb 15, 2014


FIFA.
Aye, I’m a bit of a curmudgeon about bigging up a fitba team but I’ll take the current good vibe around Aberdeen and McInnes in the manner of a duck swimming; nothing to be outwardly seen but excited as onything underneath! 1-0 in a poor game (apparently) with a penalty for the big team, what can I say?
My quine’s nae spikkin’ efter the no show yesterday. I’ll take her for a pizza tonight, nae expense spared! Did think about a donation to TSFM in her name though.

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on2:51 pm - Feb 15, 2014


An interesting question was posed on Twitter yesterday (IMO). I cannot find it again so cannot give the Tweeter credit.

The suggestion was made to those who give the same club response, is to ask ” If a creditor decided to take legal action, would they, on behalf of a creditor, stand up in a court of law and say they were the same club”.

I wondered what response would come from the radio pundits and the MSM if they were asked that question.

Probably no comment. 🙄

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Danish PastryPosted on3:11 pm - Feb 15, 2014


coineanachantaighe says:
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I understand. Good points too. Personally, I abhor the tabloid media in all its manifestations. Nevertheless, in the current debate it’s sometimes (as Angus points out above) the darling of posters on TSFM, and at other times the centre of the axis of evil.

I agree that the TSFM should lift the standard of reporting and analysis to a higher, an elite level, if you like,; and it mostly does just that.

Cheers @Angus. Since both parts of the defunct OF are still very much corporate enterprises there is indeed the very real danger that a behind-the-scenes entente cordiale will develop. If they do get together, and rule via veto once again, that would be a huge step backwards.

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FIFAPosted on3:26 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Ernie
What do you mean ,you did think about a donation to TSFM ,she will be over the moon to know you did this in her name ,go on ,you know its the right move.

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upthehoopsPosted on4:37 pm - Feb 15, 2014


nowoldandgrumpy says:
February 15, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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I wonder how a court would take to the Tom English analogy ‘if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck then it’s still a duck’. I imagine no lawyer worth his/her salt would allow such a statement anywhere near a court, but in the ‘safe’ environment of the SMSM such crazy statements are embraced and encouraged.

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ianagainPosted on4:48 pm - Feb 15, 2014


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February 14, 2014 at 10:46 pm

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Re BDO/RFC 2012 & Others v Collyer Bristow

Further to my post at 10.35pm re the above
the following entries appeared on Chancery Court lists for Monday 17/2/14

COURT 17
Before MR JUSTICE NEWEY
Monday, 17 February 2014
At half past 10
GENERAL LIST
2003 of 2012 Cohen & anr v Collyer Bristow LLP & ors
INTERIM HEARINGS LIST
HC12E01526 RFC 2012 Plc v Collyer Bristow LLP
HC12E01526 Same v Same

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-chancery-judges

Any legals who can explain?
Cheers.
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This will be very very interesting: I’m up in London for a 10:30 on Monday and if time permits ill trot over and see what’s happening.

Here the background, been on the go for over a year.

http://www.thelawyer.com/analysis/market-analysis/practice-areas/litigation-analysis/cohen-and-stephen-liquidators-of-rangers-fc-and-ors-v-collyer-bristow/1016288.article

Cohen & Stephen (Liquidators of Rangers FC) & Ors v Collyer Bristow

Also in: The Top 20 Cases 2013

Cohen & Stephen (The Liquidators of Rangers FC) & Ors v Collyer Bristow

Late 2013, 5-10 days, Chancery Division

For the claimant Cohen & Stephen (The Liquidators of Rangers FC):

South Square’s Mark Philips QC leading South Square’s Stephen Robins previously instructed by Taylor Wessing partner Nick Moser, taken forward by Stephenson Harwood partner Stuart Frith

For claimants the Trustees of the Jerome Group plc Pension Fund:

Outer Temple Chambers’ David E Grant, instructed by trustees David Simpson, who is also a qualified barrister

For the claimants HMRC:

South Square’s Lucy Frazer

For the claimants Merchant Turnaround:

Maitland Chambers’ James Clifford and Matthew Smith of the same set, instructed by Macrae & Co’s Julian Turnbull

For the respondent Collyer Bristow:

3 Verulam Buildings’ Cyril Kinsky QC leading Matthew Hardwick of the same set, instructed by Clyde & Co partner Richard Harrison

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The financial collapse of Rangers FC put in the public eye the club’s relationship with its professional advisers, including Collyer Bristow and former partner Gary Withey.

Withey quit the firm in March after he became embroiled in the Glasgow club’s administration because he had advised businessman Craig Whyte on his takeover of the club in 2011.

Duff & Phelps were appointed as the original administrators of the club and, in March last year, announced it would take action against the firm.

When liquidators Cohen & Stephen took over the wind-down of the club it pledged to carry on the case. The firm has lodged a Part 20 claim against private equity firm Merchant Turnaround.

Collyer Bristow stands accused of “deliberate deception” over Whyte’s doomed bid for the club.

The court heard at a pre-trial hearing in April that Collyer Bristow is alleged to have been involved in conspiracy, breach of undertaking, negligence and breach of trust, with Withey – who acted as the club’s company secretary – complicit in the allegations.

It was revealed that when Whyte agreed a majority stake takeover offer in May 2011 he also pledged to pay off the club’s £18m debt to Lloyds Banking Group and invest £9.5m of “new money” in the club. This included £5m for players, £2.8m to HMRC and £1.7m for capital expenditure.

That offer persuaded then director Paul Murray and the board not to launch an alternative £25m share issue to generate the money needed to stabilise the club. Instead, the court was told, they agreed to Whyte’s takeover, with Collyer Bristow acting for Whyte.

Administrators were called in February 2012 and various parties – including HMRC, private equity firm Merchant Turnaround and Jerome Pension Fund trustees – lobbied to reclaim their stakes in Rangers.

The firm says it will vigorously defend the claims. Withey had originally applied to intervene in the case, but has now withdrawn his application.

This battle will be closely followed by firms and fans alike as it promises to lay bare the firm’s relationship with Whyte and the club.

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Tartanwulver

TartanwulverPosted on5:02 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Hang on…didn’t Imran have a court case a week or so back? What’s the latest on that? (Or was it covered here already and I just nodded off and missed that memo or else reached the limits of my brain’s ability to follow what passes for a thread through all of this?)

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ianagain

ianagainPosted on5:05 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Tartanwulver

Yes Imran was in court never heard any more Maybe just procedural. The BDO case however is the full monty at last.

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Exiled CeltPosted on5:27 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Well – tin hat on – and confession time.

I was one of the boo boys for Fergus at the time – to my eternal shame.

If we go back to the time, I think to minimize the part of the MSM in all of this would be rewriting history.

For the year leading up to the Wim Jansen year, we had played great football under Tommy Burns and had a team that seemed to be nearly able to slog it out with RFC-NIL finally. We had a great stadium just about to be completed/built after paying through the nose to SFA to rent Hampden for a year, But 3 of the exciting players suddenly had little issues – and were labelled the Three Amigos by Fergus. Losing them and Burns seemed a step backwards coming up to the 10 in a row season that RFC-NIL were gearing up for big time. Fergus seemed to be picking arguments everywhere and not concentrating on stopping this onslaught of great news of invincibility.

Once we stopped the 10 in a row at the end of the most intense feelings I have ever had when we threw it away at Dunfermline only to get the chance to complete it at Parkhead, what happened next? The manager who seemed to know what he was doing suddenly had an issue with Fergus, as did Murdo………..and here we go again. We appointed Venglos who was past his sell by date.

One step forward two steps back seemed to be the Fergus way.

The MSM loved to do the caricature of him as argumentative, penny pinching and vindictive. Much like today with Lennon they shaped perceptions of him to the public.

Of course, now I am a lot more educated in the way that football “institutions” can be stripped and left for other vultures, I regret very much that I was unable to see what he had done and appreciated it more. My frustration was that he had taken us so far but then was not prepared to go further to counter the dominance of the Govan club – but none of us knew that that dominance was a house built on sand. We saw millions spent to replace the players with the new imports to start the Advocaat’s era – and we were spending “only” 600K on some Swedish bloke!

Reading day in and day out of the problems he was purportedly the sole instigator of – the Daily Record Saddam comparison, the pressure of the 10 in a row, the details of how much he was going to make and run away halfway through aligned with an SFA hating him and lamb feeding from SDM’s table – the poor guy never had a chance.

If I could ever meet Fergus I would apologise profusely for not being thankful at what he did. I won’t be able to – but hopefully with now the details of the Jim Farry victory allied with the events of the last 2 years, this has cemented his place as fully deserving of all the praise given to him and all the old doubters like me now fully appreciative of him

On the next season opening day, we can hopefully make up for it!

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Danish PastryPosted on5:32 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Sevco, Green, Whyte, again again …

David Low
@Heavidor
Strange goings on @ S5088. Craig White & friends resign, Charles Green joins board. pic.twitter.com/wAy87s6ObU
2:29pm – 15 Feb 14

http://pic.twitter.com/wAy87s6ObU

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Exiled CeltPosted on5:43 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Danish – indicating perhaps that Craigy has exited stage right with a payoff/deal of sorts?

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Danish PastryPosted on5:54 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Exiled Celt says:
February 15, 2014 at 5:43 pm
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Danish – indicating perhaps that Craigy has exited stage right with a payoff/deal of sorts?
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That’s what some of the guys on David Low’s timeline are suggesting and that Charles is trying to help the club secure a loan by removing a contentious issue. Strange goings on indeed.

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twopandaPosted on5:56 pm - Feb 15, 2014


@S5088
Shareholders don`t need to be Directors
PR exercise I`d bet
Somethings up [as per]

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Danish PastryPosted on5:59 pm - Feb 15, 2014


twopanda says:
February 15, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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@S5088
Shareholders don`t need to be Directors
PR exercise I`d bet
Somethings up [as per]
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In what way a PR exercise? On whose behalf?

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ianagainPosted on6:02 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Danish Pastry says:

February 15, 2014 at 5:54 pm

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Danish – indicating perhaps that Craigy has exited stage right with a payoff/deal of sorts?
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That’s what some of the guys on David Low’s timeline are suggesting and that Charles is trying to help the club secure a loan by removing a contentious issue. Strange goings on indeed

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Maybe a payout.

Given Wavetowers interest in Mondays case maybe Craigy will show in Court 17?

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Danish PastryPosted on6:07 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Are there two Whyte’s mentioned on that page?

Is Craig Thomas Whyte = Craig Whyte? Does his dad not go by the name Tom or Thomas?

http://pic.twitter.com/wAy87s6ObU

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ianagainPosted on6:26 pm - Feb 15, 2014


Danish

Craig had form for this having hived Wavetower to his dad for a while.

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ianagainPosted on6:37 pm - Feb 15, 2014


From RR, a sudden realisation?
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14 Feb 2014 21:58:38
It looks like our former finance director is still calling the shots at rangers! He is still involved with the rangers media the rangers international football club and the rangers football club. He still is the company secretary at these fully owned rangers subsidiaries. Very strange mr Wallace? As he has just started two new companies;

Financial strategic associates ltd

International financial strategic associates ltd

I hope rangers won’t be using his services under these two company entities.

If the public records can update this information in he space of days/weeks then why have rangers not updated their status? Does he still have some kind of control, has Chico still calling the shots from France?

Still some very shady dealing going on at the club, all we ask for is honesty and transparency.

Over to you mr Wallace and explain the above!

SPIVS still remain and will continue to bleed the club until dry

RR

Therealranger

If that’s the case and I don’t know if it is mr wallace should come out and make it clear if he is involved and if not whyn the records at companies house have not been updated because it all can be done online very quickly this quite disturbing news

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paulonotiniPosted on7:00 pm - Feb 15, 2014


ianagain @ 4.48pm & 5.05pm

Re BDO/RFC 2012plc & others v Collyer Bristow.

Don’t think it will be the main trial,think it may be procedural/directions??
I’m not a legal so I’m not entirely sure with these things.
Says below from thelawyer website on 20/1/14 the main trial expected Jan 2015.

http://www.thelawyer.com/analysis/market-analysis/practice-areas/litigation-analysis/case-histories/3014793.article

“The fallout from the 2012 administration of Rangers FC continues to reverberate. The liquidators’ case against Collyer Bristow had been expedited, meaning that 3 Verulam Buildings’ Cyril Kinsky QC was double-booked and unable to appear in the case. Further delays, however, meant that he maintained the instruction from Clyde & Co partner Richard Harrison along with Wilberforce Chambers’ Ian Croxford QC.

A case management conference is scheduled for 14 February, when the court will revisit disclosure matters. A full trial is scheduled for January 2015”.

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TSFMPosted on7:09 pm - Feb 15, 2014


ianagain

I think Stockbridge was removed form all Rangersy things yesterday and replaced as company sec by Nash.

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