Comment on Podcast Episode 3 – David Low by Resin_lab_dog.
May 1, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Next time the question is raised regarding the lack of engagement from Rangers fans on this forum, journey back to today’s mocking posts …..
I suggest that some of those decent Rangers fans may also need to develop something more of an epidermis. I cite the Ibrox BBC ban as supporting evidence.
I think it was Harper Lee’s Atticus Finch who said (paraphrasing) ‘to know a man you must walk a mile in his moccasins’. If TRFC fans in general exhibited the same level of respect and sensitivity towards fans of other clubs to which they themselves feel entitled as a matter of course, I might feel that their sensibilities were being unduly impugned here. Present company excepted, they don’t, and – frankly – they aren’t!
See – If anyone wants to wade into Caley’s humping at the weekend, (which I did not enjoy) it is fair game. Fill yer boots!
Within this forum there has been debate on Butcher and Hibs nosediving that I am sure some of the fans of that club didn’t relish.
Hearts have been racked here on a great many occasions.
And when it comes to Celtic… well if you put any 2 Celtic fans in a locked room you are guaranteed that at least 3 diammetrically opposed opinions will be the result.
This site is not some Celtic love in.
And nor is it a TRFC/RFCIL hatefest.
But your club(s) and the stewardship have affected ours adversely for a great deal of time. So until you lot either finally get your shit together, or else fall of the planet and stop being disruptive element in the smooth running of the sport as a whole, you better expect to be the subject of scrutiny. And some of it will be pointed. And some of it will be deservedly so. And some of it may stray into parody. This is not unhealthy.
We stumped up for our season tickets same as you did.
We didn’t suffer the ignomy of liquidation. But if we had we wouldn’t try and pretend otherwise. Nor would we be allowed to.
And nor did we breeze our way into European qualification on the back of other peoples money. Our flags are still under wraps. Out passports unstamped.
Our players don’t stay in 5 star hotels before matches. They cadge free coffee at local cafes after narrowly losing league cup finals.
Rangers fans are suffering, we accept that.
But your club, along with the SFA made this mess on their own without help or counsel from us.
And yet we all have to deal with the legacy of the failed medical experiment that was Frankenstein Rangers revival by licence transplant.
Fans of TRFC will enjoy our sympathy and fellowship nevertheless. More in common that dividing us.
But it would help enormously if TRFC fans – like you do Ryan – showed more willingness to take their share collective responsibility for the basket case in which we have all ended up as a sport. Not the armageddon that was predicted. Just a kafkaesque governance that resulted from the attempts of a dodgy regulator to put one over on its paying customers in pursuit of a vested interest.
And I can’t abide this cherry picking from TRFC fans: ‘ 9 in a row? – yes please’ , ‘Tax avoidance – illegal tax evasion? No thanks. That wisnae us. Some bigger boys did it and ran away. ‘
Its table d’hote or nothing, guys! Live with it. And there is so much of it hidden under Ibrox carpet now that noses are scraping the ceiling.
As you say, some of the reason that TRFC fans do not engage here as much as we would like is because they will find banter that disagrees with them. But that is ‘only an excuse’ I contend.
A larger part of the reason that TRFC fans do not engage here as much as we would like – I feel – is because they unavoidably encounter uncomfortable truths that they would rather ignore, and which the :slamb: and footballing authorities, along with those who would variously seek to both run and undermine the Ibrox enterprise conspire to make it easy for them to avoid, in pursuit of their own dubious agendas.
I may be wrong here.
I invite you to challenge me on this.
And I afford you a great deal of respect and esteem, whatever.
Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
No1 Bob says:
May 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm
One think that jumps out is that Ibrox 1972 seems to have a better credit rating than RIFC plc or ‘the club’ as Dave calls them.
The Q&A confirms:
“We are not providing a 10 month payment option but, unlike the club, you have the ability to pay by debit and credit card.”
The cardholder can supply card details to the trust.
The card company can take payment from the cardholder when instructed.
It need only pass payment on to the trust when it receives in exchange whatever guarantees it needs to discharge its liability with its own insurers.
In the case of TRFC, GW took the view that the required guarantees (security of Ibrox) and costs were prohibitive (or unaffordable).
Now it may well be that DK has been asked for less in the way of guarantees (I doubt it – a brand new company with him as a director???)
Or he may take the view that the guarantees he has been asked to put forward are affordable
(fat chance. See above).
Or he may take the view that he can put up other security from elsewhere to meet these requirements (entirely possible).
Or it may be that he actually has no intention of ever collectinhg the money for season tickets at all and is simply posturing, by taking a stance that the board could not agree too in any case (because of the contingent liability that sits on Ibrox already and prevents them from borrowing against it already), so whether he claims to accept credit cards or not is totally academic. Any money that is collected will stay with the clearuing house until it is returned to the client, minus processing fee.
(yep… that’s where I’d be betting!)
Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
May 4, 2014 at 8:39 pm
I’m with Madbhoy as I believe Miller could still do a bit for any team in Scotland’s top league and he would be a good experienced player if he went to ibrox. That said I do understand where you are coming from and in the current situation is maybe just paper talk, we are of course approaching the silly season for signing targets.
Some of this will be agent PR fluff as well.
Linking Miller with TRFC is an easy way of shop windowing him in the red tops to anyone looking for a free agent.
Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
May 4, 2014 at 9:37 pm
On the subject of a possible Kenny Miller return to Ibrox. I love the way, at least in the media, that players like Miller and Boyd are discussed in a way as if they can’t go to any other club. Why can’t Miller go back to Easter Road for example? Butcher will be re-shaping the team and Hibs are in far better financial health than Rangers. Likewise why can’t Boyd go to Aberdeen?
I am afraid I must reluctantly side with the :slamb: on this one.
“Why can’t Miller go back to Easter Road for example?”
Butcher and Malpas have a very sound understanding of what players are worth and what they should be paid. There are still players at Caley signed by those 2 for peanuts playing for buttons and doing the badge proud, and loving their football.
That is where that management team really adds value in fact.
Ally McCoist on the other hand…
The Offline Game
Here’s why the TOG report should desperately concern every fan of Scottish football. Here is why this is not some Celtic obsession.Let’s (for the sake of argument) leave the events of 2012 behind us and all move on together arm in arm with a spirit of cameraderie and good natured competition, come one, come all, TRFC fans and allcomers… hail fellows well met…Wind forward a few months to April 2017. Its been a mixed season on the park for TRFC and a very bad one off it. Legal bills, unforeseen costs and some straw breaks teh camel back. Another insolvency looms, but the board so thi scoming and a CVA looks possible this time.o among us has any confidence that our administrators would act without fear or favourIt could happen. But… oops… an insolvency means a points deduction. And a points deduction might mean relegation. Who upon reading the TOG report could have any confidence that our adminsitrators would not intervene unfairly to prevent such an occurrence?Who among us (CFC fans probably excepted by virtue of league strength) can be sure that it would not be our club – who played by the rules that should apply equally to all – that was unfairly relegated instead? Why would I turn up for an alleged sporting contest where this very possibility was even countenanced?Not I!
The Offline Game
I’m still catching up after an enforced absence due to family circumstances, but glad to be able to get back to this.
And so – in summary – where do we find ourselves today?
Well to buy a ST – or even a match ticket, or not? That is the salient question.
And the answer is – for me – overwhelmingly : Not.
The game is conspicuously rigged. And rigged by the very people who were charged with keeping it honest.
And we are being kept in ignorance of this fact.
And Kept in ignorance by the actions of the very people who should be charged with keeping us informed.
Its all gone a bit North Korea in Scottish football.
So its perhaps not surprising that fans like me will be ‘heading South’ so to speak.
Shame. There’s alot to like about ICTFC.
If they could only find an honest league to play in, things would be rosy indeed!
Whose assets are they anyway?
There is a way forward.
A new rangers logo.
An rfc crest
That would circumvent the mash ip issue, reconcile Scottish football.
It’s not the desire to punish former rfc fans (hail fellow John james, well met) that motivates me. There but for the grace of God and all that. No time for the knuckle draggers. But without a blatant nod in the direction of the cheating that was tolerated hitherto, games a bogey for all of us. We are here to compete against ranjurs. On a level playing field. We lose fair and square so be it. But when you tilt the park until you are sure to win, as you did for a decade, be sure to keep your nadgers out of range! We are not kicking you when you are down. We are pulling you by your exposed scrotum back into the real world from a mental illness that had consumed you and hurt us. The appropriate response is gratitude. Hint.
The Case for a New SFA.
Viz top tip:
Are you a Scottish sports journalist or fan of Ibrox club struggling to understand the meaning of the word “liquidation”?
Simply Google ” Redcar steelworks”.
Then grow a pair.
And stop insulting the intelligence of everyone else in the world and spare a thought for some genuine victims who were not the architects of their own downfall.
The Case for a New SFA.
EPL pricing out fans.
It Will not end well.
Addicted die hard fans are already deserting the Bollinger of Stamford bridge for the Buckie of lower league outfits. Have you seen the price of an EPL season ticket?
And all it takes is one EU or TTIP legal challenge and TV money is vapour!
And what does that leave?
Unpaid bills and dishonoured contracts.