Podcast Episode 3 – David Low

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Burghbhoy says: May 4, 2014 at 4:49 pm Thank you for you …

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burghbhoy says:
May 4, 2014 at 4:49 pm

Thank you for you reply. I still think your argument was a nonsense and proved absolutely nothing, but you have a perfect right to put it, here or anywhere else. But your excuse for coming on disguised as a Celtic supporter is pitiful. If you care to answer, could you tell me, and the rest of the blog, why, if you are so convinced of the continuation of your club (RFC), you feel the need to convince us too? Your continued attempts, at a two year old chestnut, suggest to me that you aren’t all that convinced yourself, and are continually looking for new arguments, or proof, to put forward. Time, I think, you realised that, when you have to search for something for two years or more, it probably doesn’t exist.

In the meantime, can you point to Rangers Football Club, if it’s not, that is, The Rangers Football Club Ltd?

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Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
easyJambo says:
May 4, 2014 at 8:13 pm

Thanks for posting that excellent explanation of the Hearts’ liquidation. I have to admit to being shocked when first reading, on here, of Hearts liquidation, but felt certain there would be something similar to what you wrote in the background. I expected that, with ‘limited clubs’ being in their relative infancy no-one would have thought to block any loop-holes to stop clubs overspending, then they would be free to use liquidation and restarting as the same club to get around the problem. You have shown that Hearts not only took advantage of the law as it was at the time (a section of the law that actually appears to have been put in place for such a purpose), but honoured the law to the full. The fact that they, very quickly (as I recall from reading a report about it previously), repaid all creditors in full, suggests that if the route had not been open to them they’d have found another way to get round their problems, which included the need to change the company constitution as this was causing them problems in their efforts to raise money to clear their debt. A complete contrast, in fact, to the situation we find ourselves in at present.

Your efforts to research and post your findings are very much appreciated by this lazy blogger who merely comments on the fine work done by others.


Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
Castofthousands says:
May 3, 2014 at 7:19 pm

A very polite response to burghbhoy, but I wonder if you read his response to TSFM’s post outing him! It is noted below; please pay particular attention to the second paragraph, where he clearly indicates that he deliberately came on pretending to be a Celtic supporter, or bhoy. He called this an experiment. I’d suggest he was more intent on creating a situation where he’d be accepted as a respectable poster, of the Celtic persuasion, before deflecting the blog in a more successful way than he has done in his previous guises. I’ll leave it to you to decide if he deserves your very polite defence of the blog.

From TSFM’s post I am of the understanding that burghbhoy was posting from the same IP address as oldgold and others of a similar bent. Just another in a long list of trolls trying to up their game. The nice gentleman even managed to throw an insult in the way of an honest Rangers man, Ryan Gosling, on his way out the door. Pity he stuck his nose back in 🙄

“burghbhoy says:
May 3, 2014 at 8:29 am

Anyway, I’ll leave you chaps to it.

I’ve enjoyed the wee experiment of expressing some ideas, not just the TUPE legislation, over the last couple of months, with a celtic moniker and throwing a few “sevcos” and “old Rangers” in, and seeing the thumbs-up roll in.

Genuine thanks to those willing to engage in the actual discussion, which I always enjoy, as long as it lasts that is, before TSFM rolls in to shut it down (maybe if I’d hung around he’d have start a whole new thread to house my offerings again? Will never forget that compliment “


Podcast Episode 3 – David Low
wottpi says:
May 3, 2014 at 2:30 pm

wottpi,
Totally agree with what you say, but I’m sure, like me, you feel the same as every other supporter about your home ground. Our clubs’ history means so much to every supporter of every club, and our history is made at our home grounds. But if our club is forced to move, our history remains intact, and continues to be made, as long as the club continues. But when that football ground is a rallying point for something other than football…perhaps a move does become unacceptable, under any circumstances.


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StevieBC 8th May 2020 at 12:54

I think your point was addressed in page 2 of the SPFL letter, Stevie, (sorry, can't copy and paste it) in the paragraph that begins, 'Several of us have also been asked…' where it ends by saying that they can't comment until after the EGM, which I think would naturally be the case.

Can I say that the SPFL board do not seem to have missed TRFC, and in particular Stewart Robertson, and hit the wall. It is also clear from the paragraph I refer to that some of the clubs, at least, share our view that TRFC's actions are/were 'bringing the game into disrepute'. There appears to be genuine anger within the ranks of the SPFL, though it looks like Robertson has been set up to be the sacrificial lamb (or lump under the carpet) and may be used to deflect the full repercussions from the club he was acting on behalf of. 


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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 11:49 Allyjambo, all that’s a possible for sure but I just feel that for some fans it doesn’t matter if you wear the green and grey hoops or an orange away top you will fit your views around certain events in Scottish football to suit predetermined opinions/conspiracies. Scottish football is facing an uncertain future, as is our society, and the way Rangers have went about things has been an absolute embarrassment. I just can not see what they are hoping to achieve. Stay safe.

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I agree that many/most supporters of all clubs (even ones who conflate grey with white) form their opinions around whatever suits their argument, it is more or less the same in every aspect of life, but as you say, TRFC's vindictive attempt at achieving goodness knows what is an absolute embarrassment, especially to thinking bears; and Celtic, whether through integrity or just having smarter people at the top, are extremely unlikely to ever make such a pig's ear of trying to 'encourage' others to facilitate their required outcome.

Hope you stay safe, too.


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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 10:38

While Celtic may well have done their level best to ensure TRFC were not handed the league title I very much doubt they'd have come up with the amateurish 'dossier' type 'evidence' that TRFC have produced. For one thing, they wouldn't have had to try too hard to come up with some sort of leverage, such as Resolution12, or even threaten, privately, to raise the good old secret 5 Way Agreement. 

I'm pretty certain that Celtic could, if they so wished, end the Great Lie and finish off, not only TRFC, but also all those who aided and abetted them while involved in the game's governance in 2012 and for some time before and after. They could also just threaten to raise Financial Fair Play with UEFA showing how TRFC signed players they couldn't afford (even after they'd posted such disastrous, touch and go UEFA compliant, Accounts) that enabled them to go so far in the UEFA Cup.

It certainly appears that Celtic have little to fear from TRFC's vindictiveness in terms of honesty and rule breaking, while the opposite is true the other way round, which is why they, TRFC, have had to go after their erstwhile friends at Hampden.


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Is there any posters on here that think TRFC's long awaited 'Dossier' was worth the wait, or does everyone agree that every doubt expressed as to the likelihood of it containing any 'smoking gun' evidence was right on the money?

I've not read it, and never will, but every critique I've read so far makes it clear that no one has found anything in it that should worry the two named SPFL board members, or anyone else involved (other than Stewart Robertson, TRFC's own man) and that it's nothing more than, at best, a list of questions to be answered, if anyone has the time.

Most notably, the distinct lack of any suggestion of 'bullying', far and away the most serious of the 'leaked' allegations, appears to be missing.

I have to say, though, that in my distrust of the game's governors I am a tad disappointed in it's patheticness*, as a can of worms once opened is very difficult to close, allowing more worms out that may at first have been sought. Anyone else feel the same way?

*Not an actual word, maybe, but then TRFC are not actually the club they claim to be either, so it's alright, see!


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Tweet from Graham Spiers

"Key part of Rangers’ accusatory statement of April 11: “bullying”. That is a very serious allegation about #SPFL governance. I’m wading through this RFC “dossier” trying to find evidence of “bullying” but haven’t found it yet. But give it time."

I'm sure page 200 will provide the smoking gun and it will take some time for all who have the dossier to reach mail


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